Re: Password Manager in SeaMonkey 2.53.2

[Frog]

On 5/18/2020 10:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Frog wrote:
How do you make SeaMonkey ask whether or not your want Password 
Manager to save a password?


Frog


You aren't getting asked when you log into a site for the first time?

I just logged into my mozillaZine account for the first time and was 
asked if I wanted to save the username and password.



I should have told you where I was having my problem in my earlier 
message.  The problem is...the first time I previously used a new 
password on my system it would ask me if I wanted to save my password 
(subsequently recorded in Password Manager if I click yes).  The asking 
about saving new passwords no longer occurs. I'm trying to understand 
why this is occurring and how to fix this problem.


FYI, Password Manager is a lifesaver to me when it comes my 
forgetfulness of many things including passwords.


Frog
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Re: Sorting Buttons

[David E. Ross]

On 5/18/2020 9:44 AM, EE wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>>  SeaMonkey/2.49.5
>> Toolbar Buttons  1.1.1
>>
>> If I right-click on the SeaMonkey menu bar or tool bar, I get the
>> Customize Toolbar window.  With or without the Toolbar Buttons
>> extension, is there some way to sort the buttons in that window.  I
>> would want to sort them alphabetically by name (the text that goes with
>> the icon)?
>>
>> Not counting those buttons that are already installed on my SeaMonkey
>> tool and menu bars, I have 97 buttons in my Customize Toolbar window.
>> They seem to be in random order.  It is quite tedious to find a button
>> there.
>>
> If I right-click a tool bar, I get a context menu.  One of the items is 
> Customize.
> 

Yes, I am quite familiar with that.  The resulting Customize Toolbar
window has a number of buttons, icons with text labels.  What I want is
the buttons in the Customize Toolbar window (not on my actual tool bar)
to be sorted alphabetically by their text labels, thus making it easier
to find a particular button.

-- 
David E. Ross


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Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?

[NFN Smith]

flyguy wrote:

Windows 10, SM 2.49.4

Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser 
window open. The browser had only one tab with the Washington Post front 
page. Closing the browser reduced memory use to 24%; after closing the 
email then reopening it, it used only 7%. I've noticed this high memory 
usage before. Is there a way to avoid it, or to reduce it without 
closing the program? I don't mind closing/reopening the email, but often 
I have several windows and tabs open, so it's a nuisance to close the 
browser, too.


I've found this effect on my own machines, although I haven't tried to 
do any serious work of digging in to figure out if it's something 
related to the browser, the mail client, one of my extensions, a 
combination of things, or something else that I haven't thought of.  My 
suspicion is that there's a memory leak somewhere, but the symptoms 
aren't always consistent.


Something that I've noticed is that sometimes, I get really laggy 
response and the Windows Task Manager showing Seamonkey using a lot of 
cycles, and the memory allocation is only about 850 MB (and slow 
perfomance), and sometimes, I can see memory usage above 1.5 GB, and no 
obvious performance issues.


Several weeks ago, I was interacting with a form with multiple screens 
that had a ton of scripting in it (where every single input required 
script interaction), and I noticed that the further I got into the form, 
the slower the response was.  By the time that I got to the last few 
inputs on the form, Seamonkey was giving me scripting timeouts. I had 
left Seamonkey open overnight, after a full day of usage the previous 
day, and IIRC, checks of Windows Task Manager showed that Seamonkey was 
using around 2.2 GB of RAM, and heavy CPU usage. Normally, for that kind 
of slowness of response, I would have restarted Seamonkey, but by the 
time the performance got beyond tolerable, I was far enough into the 
form that I didn't want to have to start over at the beginning of the form.


I live in Seamonkey all day, and I generally don't have any issues if I 
have launched it at the beginning of the day.  Most often, if I see 
issues, it tends to be if I've left it open overnight. I know that 
yesterday, at the end of the day, I had Seamonkey open with light usage, 
and I forgot to shut down, and when I came in this morning, it was still 
open.  Memory usage was a little more than 1 GB. I didn't check for 
performance before I restarted.


In my experience, I don't see evidence that Seamonkey is hardware 
restrained. I currently run 16 GB of RAM, and even when it's slow, 
there's still plenty of RAM available. And about a year ago, I moved to 
a to a new machine with an SSD in it. Thus, it appears that there aren't 
issues with swapping happening. Since I moved to this machine, I think I 
see the performance issues a little less frequently, but not 
dramatically, The most constant thing seems to be where it's been 
running for more than 16 hours at a time.


A lot of the time, I'm content to simply restart Seamonkey, but there 
are times when that's inconvenient.  I have more than one mailbox set 
where I don't allow Seamonkey to remember the password for POP and IMAP 
connections (I do that to ensure that by having to enter those passwords 
once per session, I don't forget them), and I also have Seamonkey set to 
discard all my cookies at the end of a session.  Thus, if I do a 
restart, I have to re-enter passwords for email, and sometimes for open 
sessions in the browser.


One of my favorite extensions is Session Manager.  I have that one set 
to keep a list of all open tabs when the browser shuts down, and when I 
restart, I have the last 8 sessions available (along with other sets of 
tabs that I've saved).  Thus, if I have a bunch of tabs open at the end 
of the day, I can shut down Seamonkey, and then when I start up the next 
day, I can re-open all of those tabs (even if I have to log into any 
open browser sessions).


Since I have a spare machine available, I might try seeing what happens 
if I build up a profile from scratch, starting with just a browser, and 
then adding one or more mail accounts as well as extensions, to see if I 
can find any pattern to where performance begins to lag.



Smith
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Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?

[EE]

Richard Alan wrote:

EE wrote:


flyguy wrote:

Windows 10, SM 2.49.4

Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser
window open. The browser had only one tab with the Washington Post
front page. Closing the browser reduced memory use to 24%; after
closing the email then reopening it, it used only 7%. I've noticed this
high memory usage before. Is there a way to avoid it, or to reduce it
without closing the program? I don't mind closing/reopening the email,
but often I have several windows and tabs open, so it's a nuisance to
close the browser, too.


If you read your email as plain text, it should not take as much room.


Choosing to read only the plain text will not change the size of the email
or the memory usage of the window. If the email contains an "HTML half" it
still loads. Do a Crtl-U and see it all.

That is only if the email is multipart.  If the sender uses only HTML 
and you read that as plain text, the tidied content does not take much 
space.  I read all my email as plain text.  Even if I deal with 20 
messages, I delete them when I have finished, then compact the folders. 
The compaction tells me how much space I saved afterwards, and it is on 
the order of kilobytes, not megabytes.


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Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/17/2020 11:24 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/17/2020 7:07 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

flyguy wrote:

Windows 10, SM 2.49.4

Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser
window open. The browser had only one tab with the Washington Post front
page. Closing the browser reduced memory use to 24%; after closing the
email then reopening it, it used only 7%. I've noticed this high memory
usage before. Is there a way to avoid it, or to reduce it without
closing the program? I don't mind closing/reopening the email, but often
I have several windows and tabs open, so it's a nuisance to close the
browser, too.


I have a similar problem with SeaMonkey memory usage growing over time.
   My solution was to add a "restart application" button that I use
whenever it starts getting sluggish.  This closes and restarts SeaMonkey
without losing anything other than the time it takes to restart.

Dave



Does the Restart Application button do a full restart?  That is, does it
reload user.js to restore preferences that might have been changed
during the session?  If so, how can I get the Restart Application button?


Chromedit Plus provides a stand-alone restart button.  Restart does redo
the preference settings from user.js.



Aha!  That is exactly what I have been seeking.  Some Web sites that I
visit require that I change my preferences from what I usually have.  I
use PrefBar for that.  Sometimes the changes are so extensive, however,
that it is easier to terminate SeaMonkey and then relaunch it.  If I was
in a profile that is not my default, that also means switching back to
the profile I was using.

If this restarts me back in my non-default profile, the Restart
Application button will be great.

Chromedit Plus and its restart does not switch profiles.  It puts the 
changes you made with it (to user.js, userContent.css, and 
userChrome.css) into effect.


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Re: Password Manager in SeaMonkey 2.53.2

[WaltS48]

On 5/18/20 12:41 PM, EE wrote:

Frog wrote:
How do you make SeaMonkey ask whether or not your want Password 
Manager to save a password?


Frog

When you log in somewhere, it does that auromatically.



Aromatically?
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Re: Password Manager in SeaMonkey 2.53.2

[EE]

Frog wrote:
How do you make SeaMonkey ask whether or not your want Password Manager 
to save a password?


Frog

When you log in somewhere, it does that auromatically.

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Re: Sorting Buttons

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5
Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1

If I right-click on the SeaMonkey menu bar or tool bar, I get the
Customize Toolbar window.  With or without the Toolbar Buttons
extension, is there some way to sort the buttons in that window.  I
would want to sort them alphabetically by name (the text that goes with
the icon)?

Not counting those buttons that are already installed on my SeaMonkey
tool and menu bars, I have 97 buttons in my Customize Toolbar window.
They seem to be in random order.  It is quite tedious to find a button
there.

If I right-click a tool bar, I get a context menu.  One of the items is 
Customize.


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Re: Password Manager in SeaMonkey 2.53.2

[WaltS48]

Frog wrote:
How do you make SeaMonkey ask whether or not your want Password Manager 
to save a password?


Frog


You aren't getting asked when you log into a site for the first time?

I just logged into my mozillaZine account for the first time and was 
asked if I wanted to save the username and password.

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Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?

[flyguy]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 5/17/2020 7:11 AM:

flyguy wrote:

Windows 10, SM 2.49.4

Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser window open. 
The browser had only one tab with the Washington Post front page. Closing the 
browser reduced memory use to 24%; after closing the email then reopening it, it 
used only 7%. I've noticed this high memory usage before. Is there a way to 
avoid it, or to reduce it without closing the program? I don't mind 
closing/reopening the email, but often I have several windows and tabs open, so 
it's a nuisance to close the browser, too.


What does:
- exiting the whole program (File -> Quit)
- restarting it
- Go -> Restore Previous Session (from the browser) do for your memory usage?

That also seems to work, and is convenient enough, but it's still annoying to 
monitor the usage several times a day and go through the process. Is there a way 
to avoid the accumulation of memory SM uses that is not needed?

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Re: Address Book Location

[Daniel]

WaltS48 wrote on 17/05/2020 10:33 PM:

On 5/17/20 3:38 AM, Daniel wrote:

rmpbklyn wrote on 16/05/2020 11:28 PM:
go to trouble shooting menu from Help, scroll past to 'application 
basics' , that will indicate the path to folder to files. mab files , 
but  you can copy the entire profile folder to a backup drive in the 
event you need to restore


On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 12:43:46 PM UTC-4, Mike C wrote:

I can't find the Address Book Location

Where specifically is the address book in the profile?
What is it called?

When I go to my 'Help' menu, in SM 2.49.5 (same as OP), I don't see 
anything like 'application basics' to scroll past.


Have you missed a step or two, maybe, rmpbklyn??



You missed the troubleshooting menu step. ;)

Better known as Help > Troubleshooting Information.


AH!!

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Daniel

Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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