Re: FF 3.5x performance + Once Ya' go to FF 'n' TB
RE: I don't care if the components of the suite run as separate processes / applications. In fact that's the only nice thing about the Tb/Fb combo - when a page in the browser is running a heavy Flash applet it doesn't freeze the other components, e.g. the Mail. Actually, Firefox 3.5x is mono-threaded in a few places, where it WILL stall and stop / almost stop many other processes while those inner threads are operating, thus now and then (not constantly) slowing any PC OS down -- Win, Mac, Linux -- it is these very few internal FF areas that do NOT compare as favorably as FF 3.5x could when compared to exact-same tests against Google's Chrome and the very few other Gecko and other related-or-not browser engines. It appears that FF 3.5x tabs are multi-threaded for performance, but the entirety of FF 3.5x is NOT TOTALLY as high-performance as many of us thought it could or would be. However, it appears that these deficiencies will be addressed in the upcoming FF 3.6, but we must wait to be certain of that. Also, it appears that once Thunderbird 3 finally appears, parts of FF 3.5x, and possibly even SeaMonkey 2, will operate better when called upon to I/O data and background information with TBird 3. Not to take anything away from the mostly fine points of SM 2, but SM 2 has a little ways to go, hopefully mostly ironing out what we all hope would be less than major problem points for the overworked SM programmer. Joe - Original Message --- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:47:59 +0200 From: Stanimir Stamenkov s7a...@netscape.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Once Ya' go to FF 'n' TB, Ya' may, never go back! Message-ID: 9uadnea7i4t-0z3wnz2dnuvz_v5i4...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:12:17 -0800, /Ant/: I prefer suite products since I always use e-mails and Web browser when using the Internet. I prefer the suite as it is sharing my settings and preferences among its components - I don't want to maintain and synchronize the same settings among different applications the suite has as components. That's enough for me to stick with the suite, but I also like the more verbose SeaMonkey UI loaded with some features I miss from Firefox - the Forms tab in the Page Info removed in Firefox 3, for example. I don't care if the components of the suite run as separate processes / applications. In fact that's the only nice thing about the Tb/Fb combo - when a page in the browser is running a heavy Flash applet it doesn't freeze the other components, e.g. the Mail. Previously this could have been solved by the profile sharing proposal https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla2:Profile_Sharing but it has been dropped and I'm looking forward the implementation of content processes https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes which would make the suite better than the Tb/Fb combo, I think. -- Stanimir ** ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: CNET approves SeaMonkey Digest, Vol 47, Issue 72
RE: A current post on CNET gives SM as one of the best 5 applications to install with your new Windows 7 computer. Way to go, team. Then the SM 2.01 had better be forthcoming so that the oversights and initial 2.0 problems seen across the three or four main OS versions can be addressed...and that includes the SM 2 browser/engine implementation, the Email unit AND the Composer. BEFORE the CNET news -- which is excellent overall, VERY positive -- has been by a great many more that will beat a path to SM 2.'s door. CNET isn't the only newsworthy group looking at SM -- that I know, and we as a group, for an accurate fact. SM 2 is a darn good idea, manifested in many ways that even its Firefox 3.5x and 3.6, AND its Thunderbird 3, brethren will like to see how those two products could be better interrelated and made more useful. Two Doses of Realism... As we can see, the basic SM 2 isn't bad at all, but getting realistic shows us that there's too many oversights, and previously-made-final SM 2 decisions that need to be tuned and rectified... ...and making users and those potential CNET and other users wait until SM 2.1 or later simply should not have to wait, even if it means two or more advancing changes and improvements / fixes like SM 2.01a and 2.01b, etc. Another dose of realism shows that the small (very) group of SM 2 specialists programmers DO need assistance from their current and sheer expanding user group, be we neophytes or seasoned engineering / tech types. Neither they nor we can do it all on ones own. Joe - Original Message --- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:38:33 -0800 From: User u...@user.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CNET approves SeaMonkey Might have been useful if a URL to the article was posted. Walter wrote: A current post on CNET gives SM as one of the best 5 applications to install with your new Windows 7 computer. Way to go, team. * ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Follow-up, SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links
Follow-up... RE: SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links, thus not allowing them to be clicked on to test and/or cause a browser to be automatically opened to the link. I. SM2 and Composer Introduction in Workshops Well, after two Workshops (we give quite a few), I introduced SM2 to a total of 42 users of both fairly neophyte and, we can safely say, intermediate and advanced users. To a one, well, with one wavering, all stated that SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links is either a programming error or a bug. I politely explained how links were expected to be used and tested in SM2 Composer, and received a resounding series of replies that boiled down to: 1. Who would want to do all that work, just to test a link? 2. None of the other HTML editors does it that way, why change it now ? 3. There has to be something wrong in Composer, no matter what the explanation. 4. Any Windows, Mac, and Linux editors and tools seen always activate the links in their respective Preview modes. Ditto for the now old Windows Outlook and Outlook Express Preview modes. I humbly agree with the above, maybe all four of the most heard responses. II. The Acid Test So, in light of the above, we as a group used three or four common HTML editors and one dedicated web-design tool, and compared the workload, steps, intuitiveness and time it took to do simple link work in those tools versus SM 2 Composer NOT having links activated in Preview mode. Frankly, SM 2 Composer took far more steps to achieve the same results, and that's a sin. The extra steps and work that not having links active in Preview is simply not acceptable nor needed to be done that way. ALL the other editors and tools activate links in their respective Preview modes, and that activity has long been considered proper and correct activity or option, for a great many years. SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links is NOT correct, and should be considered an oversight if not a programmer's bug in SM Composer 2.0...and fixed as soon as prudently possible in a 2.01, or 2.1, providing that a 2.1 would not be too long in forthcoming. Joe ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Showcase 0.9.5
Just a follow-up to all and Philip Chee... I contacted the Showcase browser add-on author, and hopefully there will be a positive alteration to allow Showcase latest version to install into SM 2.0. Joe - Message History Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:38:00 +0800 From: Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SM 2 SeaMonkey Showcase 0.9.5 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:03:18 -0500, INFO WG wrote: Philip... Does this not work for you? http://showcase.uworks.net/download.html SeaMonkey Showcase 0.9.5 (Special version of Showcase for SeaMonkey) *DO NOT INSTALL ON FIREFOX* No, the XPI resulting from the link: http://showcase.uworks.net/seamonkey_showcase-0.9.5-sm.xpi will not install into SM 2.0 (Windows). It just generates the following error dialog: == SeaMonkey could not install the file at http://showcase.uworks.net/seamonkey_showcase-0.9.5-sm.xpi because: Install script not found -204 == Sounds like it ALMOST works, though. Ah. Looks like that version is only for SeaMonkey 1.1. The new SeaMonkey 2.0 uses the same extension manager and APIs as Firefox 3.5.4. Annoyingly the Firefox version almost works as well, just a different almost. Someone should email the author and remind him that SM 2.0 is much closer to Firefox 3.5.x. Phil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 first notes AND Add-Ins
Re: SM 2.0 first notes AND Add-Ins SM 2.0 most impressive. Clearly takes the good features or as many as prudent in first 2.0 release and applies a quality mixed-bag of main features for browsing, Email, HTML composing, newsgroups -- among a superb lot of other features. Add-ons are looking very good, an almost surprising quantity of useful working Add-Ons and even a good mix of experimental ones. Adblock Plus - Already seems to work superbly SM 2 Add-Ons suggest as I am doing: I am testing AND critically asking the following Add-On providers to dead-seriously consider checking or making their refined and working add-ons work with SM 2.0, and SM users can surely assist if possible: - Interclue (1.6.1.2) -- An absolute phenom of a link augmentation multi-tool, saves users hours each day or week - Tab Mix Plus (0.3.7) -- Allows many Tabs functions time saver - iMacros (6.2.4.0) -- A not-as-easy-to-use Macro recorder/player, but is on the right track and getting better for both SeaMonkey and Firefox - Showcase / Firefox Showcase (0.9.5.1) -- Superb show all-in-one-panel view of the active tabs. Could/should be a must-have option for SM 2. - MeasureIt (0.3.9) -- Well done screen and object measuring tool The above noted Add-Ons so far do not show up in searches at the SM Add-On site, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey Obviously (very!) there are a proverbial hoard of other Add-Ons that are likely working on SM 2, in the process of doing so, or should be...but hopefully this is just a start. Joe ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3...
Also sending separate Email to you, Ludovic... RE: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting Thursday July 9th 2009 Can you verify that we can test Thunderbird 3 without overwriting or losing our existing TBird 2 access or installation, in case we need to revert back to TBird 2 for some reason. We should know that answer beforehand. Thank you, Joe - Original Message --- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:06:12 +0200 From: Ludovic Hirlimann ludo...@mozillamessaging.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting this Thursday July 9th 2009 Message-ID: 2nwdnym057cj8snxnz2dnuvz_ori4...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To make sure that Thunderbird 3.0 b3 ships with the highest quality. To make sure that nightly users did not make any important regressions, the Quality assurance team of Thunderbird is organizing a Full Functional Test of the builds that will become beta 3 itself. We will use Litmus[1] and bugzilla to track the testing. Litmus will be used to know what to test and how as it contains our testcase database. Results will be stored in both Litmus and Bugzilla. When a test fails please make sure to : 1) file a bug in bugzilla 2)mark the bugs blocking bug 502621 [3] which is our tracking bug for this testing effort. 3)reference that bug in litmus - when submitting results I Read the litmus documentation II download the builds from [5] III point your browser to the test-run for Thunderbird 3.0 b3 [2], log in i chose an area you would like to test ii execute a test - report the results iii if the test failed make sure to enter a bug in bugzilla and mark that bug blocking 502621 If you have any question point your browser here [4] and fire your question away - note that it might takes some time before you get the answer. [1] http://quality.mozilla.org/documents-home/test-docs/litmus-tutorial [2] https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi?test_run_id=40 [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502621 [4] http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.mozilla.orgchannel=%23tb-qa [5] http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ Ludovic - for the Thunderbird QA team -- Ludovic Hirlimann MozillaMessaging QA lead http://www.spreadthunderbird.com/aff/79/2 -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey End of support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 43, Issue 14 * ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 and Firefox 3.5 RC1 is appearing
Exactly the reason that I left the original memo, that Firefox 3.5 RC1 was out in the wild. Hopefully, this means that SM 2, an obviously even better idea browser-and-then-some, is ever nearing its own introduction. As we had to see stabilization and finality to Firefox 3.5 mechanics, in order to see SM 2 draw nearer. Joe - Original Message --- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:00:48 +1000 From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Firefox 3.5 RC1 is appearing Message-ID: inedntiszqkr_6bxnz2dnuvz_jji4...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Lester Caine wrote: JR WG wrote ... And are we really interested in what 'the opposition' are doing :) No, not really, except that it may influence where SM browser goes. Daniel * ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Firefox 3.5 RC1 is appearing
Appears that Firefox 3.5 RC1 is itself appearing, but with reletively little fanfare and pronouncements from Mozilla HQ. For something that's been waylaid for this long, the RC1 is a relief, indeed, seen mostly in English but we should be seeing other world languages as well. Various locales seen for now: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.5rc1 http://www.filehippo.com/download_firefox/tech/ and there are of course a great many others. Joe - Original Message --- Subject: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 From: support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:41:24 -0700 To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Send support-seamonkey mailing list submissions to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org You can reach the person managing the list at support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of support-seamonkey digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cookie housekeeping proposal (Paul B. Gallagher) 2. IE opens instead of SM (stan) 3. Re: IE opens instead of SM (CatThief) 4. Re: [SM 2.0] New news servers not showing up w/out restarting SM (NoOp) 5. Re: IE opens instead of SM (stan) 6. Delete Trash (rjk) 7. Re: SM bug in Hotmail (David E. Ross) 8. Re: Delete Trash (Paul B. Gallagher) 9. Delete Trash (rjk) 10. Re: Is there any limit on the number of e-mail messages that can be saved? (Daniel) 11. Re: Delete Trash (Keith Whaley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:15:39 -0400 From: Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Cookie housekeeping proposal Message-ID: sicdnbvpl5f_3atxnz2dnuvz_redn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Richard Schaefer wrote: Dear Sirs, In housekeeping, I like to delete cookies not being used. Now I have to delete one by one. Could you add the sweep feature that lets one select more than one lines at a time? In Mozilla and SeaMonkey, do Tools | Cookie Manager | Manage Cookies and you'll find you /can/ select more than one at a time. Use CTRL-click for discontinuous selections, SHIFT-click for continuous ones per standard Windows convention. You can also set your preferences to purge all cookies every time you close the program: Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies | Accept for current session only. If you're referring to Apple Mail, no one here can help you. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:18:20 -0400 From: stan s.c.pierce To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: IE opens instead of SM Message-ID: yoadny5cqdgewktxnz2dnuvz_q-dn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I use Fototime/Fotoalbum. Just switched to a new computer (64 bit) and Vista. In the past, when I logged on Fototime or accessed it via Fotoalbum which logged me, Fototime opened in SM browser. Now, it is opening in IE. I have interacted with Fototime support and not been able to solve the problem. Their support people tell me they are using the following to open the default browser: ShellExecute(NULL, open, http://www.fototime.com;, NULL, NULL, SW_SHOWNORMAL); They also refer me to this document which explains further: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/224816 Anyone understand all this well enough to know why it is invoking IE instead of SM? Seems like it might be a Vista or 64 bit problem. Thanks Stan -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:07:41 -0400 From: CatThief nos...@no.way To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: IE opens instead of SM Message-ID: w-idnbirh5ug6qtxnz2dnuvz_ohi4...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed stan wrote the following on 06-17-2009 5:18 PM: I use Fototime/Fotoalbum. Just switched to a new computer (64 bit) and Vista. In the past, when I logged on Fototime or accessed it via Fotoalbum which logged me, Fototime opened in SM browser. Now, it is opening in IE. I have interacted with Fototime support and not been able to solve the problem. Their support people tell me they are using the following to open the default browser: ShellExecute(NULL, open, http://www.fototime.com;, NULL, NULL, SW_SHOWNORMAL); They also refer me to this document which explains further: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/224816 Anyone understand all this well enough to know why it is invoking IE
Re: When we need to instantly search drives...
RE: When we need to truly instantly search our drive(s) for SeaMonkey and other files... And you don't have a small footprint (344KB or so) HDD indexer tool to use for the lightning-fast searches to locate directory(s), files, certain suffixed or certain spelled files, parts of names, etc. Strongly suggest visit: http://www.voidtools.com/ Search Everything (aka Everything to some) is phenomenal, well done, caring programmer, NO ad-ware / nagware / nasties, and did I mention that it's still no charge ? Currently in both installable and portable version: Everything-1.2.1.371.exe (334 KB) OR Everything-1.2.1.371.zip (portable, 272 KB) And SOMEWHERE, did I mention that it's still no charge, yet donations accepted and the programmer deserves it. Joe ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.x and also SM uses too much...
RE: Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:13:17 -0500 From: Justin Wood (Callek) cal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: SM uses too much CPU time Clearly, as seen from the mostly outside observer, knowledgeable in most but not all respects... Another reason that SM 1.x should have been abandoned long ago, albeit learned from, and SM 2.x completely focused upon. In my past resplies and musings, I know that I brought up the same idea, but it's so clear that SM 1.4 came into being far too late, and that SM 2.x represents a massive shift to something far improved. SM 1.x is a dead horse...it died a LONG time ago. It is befitted with a great number of problems built upon an old and outmoded Gecko engine that itself has been long since improved upon. All the man/woman power expended on SM 1.4 seems of little use, as SM 1.4 was too old when it was released, and there is an apparent split of time, people-power and other resources that should have been long ago appled to SM 2. With this division of valuable resources, by the time SM 2 reaches late Beta, the rest of the world will be in 2010...if past and current stages and events are any measure. Is the above the ravings of a madman or one who is not in the know? Sorry, no, not at all. Joe - Original Message --- Subject: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 37, Issue 44 From: support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:02:25 -0800 To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Send support-seamonkey mailing list submissions to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org You can reach the person managing the list at support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of support-seamonkey digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: What is a throbber? (Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo) 2. Re: What is a throbber? (?Q?) 3. Re: What is a throbber? (?Q?) 4. Re: What is a throbber? (Sqwertz) 5. Re: changing the busy throbber (Gerald Ross) 6. Re: changing the busy throbber (Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo) 7. Re: SM uses too much CPU time (Justin Wood (Callek)) 8. Viewing messages (NO) 9. Old e-mails disappeared (David Genelle Massey) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:47:57 -0800 From: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What is a throbber? To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Message-ID: poednveolkbup-7unz2dnuvz_h4aa...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed JeffM wrote: John Doue wrote: [about the throbber] As Robert said, it is actually the SM bird on default themes. ?Q? wrote: That thing's an abstraction of a Sea-Monkey, not a bird. Actual Sea-Monkeys look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Artemia_salina.jpg ...and, as is indicated on that page, *sea monkey* is another name for Brine Shrimp. I think the sea monkey term was made up by marketers who put ads in the back of comic books so they could swindle 8 year olds out of their allowances. SeaMonkey was the developers term when they were programming Netscape -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:43:59 -0600 From: ?Q? boxc...@gmx.net Subject: Re: What is a throbber? To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Message-ID: 20090118154359.603f1...@bellgrove.remarqs.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In news:096a263d-5bf4-441b-9eb3-28cde4b13...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, JeffM jef...@email.com wrote: John Doue wrote: [about the throbber] As Robert said, it is actually the SM bird on default themes. ?Q? wrote: That thing's an abstraction of a Sea-Monkey, not a bird. Actual Sea-Monkeys look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Artemia_salina.jpg ...and, as is indicated on that page, *sea monkey* is another name for Brine Shrimp. I think the sea monkey term was made up by marketers who put ads in the back of comic books so they could swindle 8 year olds out of their allowances. Yes, the marketing name is Sea-Monkeys. They got me at about that age, and KaiRo more recently. ;) Old ad:
