Re: new 2.3
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:31:21 -0400, /PhillipJones/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the so called constructive criticism I see widespread in this group, is it doesn't help keeping the SeaMonkey product alive, most importantly, and then usable, both related to the Mozilla platform dependency remark I've given previously. if its widespread doesn't tell you something. It tells me just that - lots of ignorant users ranting. Stanimir, I understand and respect your defence of the Seamonkey project team, but I really think you need to take on board the fact that when criticism is widespread, it is more often the case that the criticism is justified than that all those making the criticism are ill-informed. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 [Tabbed UI Features]
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: As of 2.2, tabs were forced when one attempted to access either the Data Manager or the Add-ons manager via the Tools menu interface. If that behaviour is reverted in a more recent release, then I am both reassured and delighted. Hrm, my memory on our behavior here is apparently wrong, (I just tested in my open 2.2, and I could not find a setting to cause the data manager to open in a new window [or reuse a non-empty current tab] via the preferences window) Can you please either CC me to an existing bug on this, or file a new one? I will plan to look into it, and drive it forward as soon as I can. [I am busy so I have no usable ETA on this, but happy to help drive it if someone else wants to code it] With pleasure (it will be a new bug; I have so far held back from filing bugs, preferring to find out from the list whether or not they are already known). I personally use tabs, and prefer them so I apologize for not catching this before my latest reply to you, (I'll also plan to test in our trunk builds before investing time in writing code, but I try and use our latest beta's as my regular, except for mail/news where I use our latest stable) No problem : many thanks for your most positive response. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: While the widespreading could be a symptom to a problem, I've been observing this group long enough to deduce most of the criticism seen is just ignorant babble. OK, in view of your long association with, and observation of, this group, may I ask you one question ? Has there been equally widespread (and ill-informed ?) criticism following each major release of Seamonkey, or has there been an apparent increase in the level of criticism following any particular recent release or group of releases ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How can i see the buttons Etape précédente and Etape suivante in a tutorial site
Ray_Net wrote: I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page. http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html Look at bottom of the left pane. I have been told that it's ok when using Firefox. I my understanding SM is based, or use the FF codes ? no ? I would recommend starting by looking at the validity of your HTML CSS; HTML validator access to the URL is reported as forbidden, but the CSS validator has access and reports 27 errors : http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com%2Ffr%2Fajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.htmlprofile=css21usermedium=allwarning=1vextwarning=lang=en Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
NoOp wrote: Seems to be the Windows Vista syndrome... fill the landfills with old hardware so that you can experience the latest greatest. Further, NVIDIA 257.21 doesn't work on Quadro4 cards. Not restricted to Vista; I too see nothing under Win/XP;SP3. Adapter DescriptionATI Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series Vendor ID 1002 Device ID 5b60 Adapter RAMUnknown Adapter Driversati2dvag Driver Version 8.593.100.0 Driver Date2-10-2010 Direct2D Enabled Blocked on your graphics driver. Try updating your graphics driver to version 10.6 or newer. DirectWrite Enabledfalse (0.0.0.0, font cache n/a) WebGL Renderer (WebGL unavailable) GPU Accelerated Windows0/15 Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Jens Hatlak wrote: [This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find out himself.] AFAICS it's 2.5 (current trunk) that will have seven levels in the plus direction and 4 in the negative direction again by default. Current Aurora nightlies (to-be 2.4) still have 3/3. Note: When upgrading, you'll need to reset the toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues pref manually (e.g. using about:config) and then restart SeaMonkey. OK, thank you. I have tried with Seamonkey 2.2, using : toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues : 0.125,0.25,0.5,1.0,2.0,4.0,8.0 zoom.minPercent : 12 zoom.maxPercent : 800 and now see exactly three levels of zoom in total (default, +, -). Presumably this is expected at the Rev 2.2 level and I can't expect anything closer to what I need until Seamonkey 2.5 hits the streets. IOW, for things like Add-ons Manager and Data Manager (called from different places!), corresponding bugs need to be filed if not already present. No bug, no change. Will do. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: [This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find out himself.] AFAICS it's 2.5 (current trunk) that will have seven levels in the plus direction and 4 in the negative direction again by default. Current Aurora nightlies (to-be 2.4) still have 3/3. Note: When upgrading, you'll need to reset the toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues pref manually (e.g. using about:config) and then restart SeaMonkey. OK, thank you. I have tried with Seamonkey 2.2, using : toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues : 0.125,0.25,0.5,1.0,2.0,4.0,8.0 zoom.minPercent : 12 zoom.maxPercent : 800 and now see exactly three levels of zoom in total (default, +, -). Correction : I see that in the browser. In the e-mail client, I see -3 + default + +3, as wished for :-) Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Jens Hatlak wrote: Well, even some developers (like me) agree with the above statement, but to be blunt: That doesn't matter. SM releases depend on the Mozilla platform, which is where the vast majority of security issues is to be found (since it includes the rendering engine, protocol stack etc.). The maintainers of that (= Mozilla a.k.a. Firefox, Inc.) decided to switch to the rapid release train and drop minor releases. The SM developers do not have the man-power to maintain a fork or even branch of the platform, so there is no choice but to jump the train. All we can do is try and improve our QA and what we include on our side of the code base in the first place. Thank you for your frank, candid and honest response, Jens : much appreciated. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Robert Kaiser wrote: Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those forums is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus from SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox more stable (in terms of not crashing) now. Understood, Robert. I can quite see that from the perspective of a developer, pushing the frontiers of science is a far more appealing prospect than a daily grind of bug-fixing and papering over the cracks. Unfortunately, from a user perspective, major change is rarely welcome, whilst increased security and incremental bug fixes are universally appreciated. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that often, and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable for business use. Actually, Mozilla is trying to work with commercial users to find solutions that work for them while allowing us to ship progress rapidly. Robert, is there evidence to support the hypothesis that Seamonkey users /want/ Mozilla to ship progress regularly ? From my reading of this list (which is, of course, biased by my own perspectives), it seems to me that the majority of Seamonkey users would prefer stability and security in preference to regularly-shipped progress. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: winXP loses majority share
Mike wrote: XP users have a little under three years left. Plenty of time to save pennies for some tech. It is a depressing thought. Can there really be life after XP ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks
David E. Ross wrote: 3.b.i Right-click in the window and select [New Boolian] from the pull-down context menu. 3.b.ii Enter browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML in the New Boolian Value popup dialogue. 3.b.iii Select true in the Enter boolian value popup dialogue. George BOOLE would never forgive you for spelling his name with a trailing I. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Exchange server
Re recently went over to an MS Exchange server at work and I changed my E-mail from POP to IMAP to support it. All this happened with SM 2.2 as well. Since then I have had messages that come up blank and messages where I can't see the attachments. Both look fine in the web client but not on SM. I have not seen these kinds of issues before. I don't even know where to start to track this down or fix it. Any ideas on how to get the attachments to show? It doesn't happen on all e-mail, just some. Is this a SM 2.2 issue? An IMAP issue? A Avast issue? Does SM just not play nicely with Exchange? Does Thunderbird play any nicer? I have experienced exactly the same behaviour (using Seamonkey older than 2.2 : e.g., 2.0.14) ever since my IMAP provider performed an exchange upgrade to Exchange 2010; prior to that (running, I think, Exchange 2003) there had been no problems. I have reported the problem to the server administration team, but as (a) mine is a grade and favour account, and (b) IMAP is not a formal part of their offering, I do not expect the problem to be resolved in the near future. For what it's worth, moving the offending message to an otherwise empty folder can sometimes allow it to be seen and/or the attachment accessed. I'm wondering if this is going to force me over to Outlook? Wouldn't seppuku be a less painful option ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Composer - Lose my ASCII characters when saving
TheFunnySide wrote: - I enter copy; in the source view. - Upon saving, it automatically switches to normal view. Here it shows ©. - Going back to source view, it also shows © For me, Seamonkey 2.2 Composer under Windows/XP manifests exactly the opposite behaviour. If I enter copy; in source view, it shews as © in other modes and reverts to shewing as copy; in source view. If I enter © in source view, it mutates to copy; after cycling through another view and then back to source view. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Navigation Toolbar
stan wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/2/11 8:35 PM, stan wrote: I have 2.2 SeaMonkey. In the Navigation Toolbar there is noting to click on after entering URL. I must use CR. I think it was that way in SM 2.0.14. No there was little black arrow pointing left. Every browser has something there now you can operate it by mouse, you must use keyboard. That is stupid. Hardly stupid, but perhaps in your case, sub-optimal. For myself, I have always used the return key as a matter of course, and never considered the possibility that there might be a mouse-oriented alternative. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sidebar Search change in 2.2
WLS wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but I want SeaMonkey to do what all modern browsers are starting to do, such as HTML5, CSS3, 3D, Web video without Flash support and more. As Jens Hatlak so correctly observed, there may well be sound /technical/ reasons for wanting to make changes to Seamonkey : I think the point Robert was trying to make was not so much that we wanted to match other browsers there but to support an open standard for search engines (OpenSearch) that is widely used and has superseded the older one (Sherlock). This is also reflected on search engine selection sites such as addons.mozilla.org and mycroft.mozdev.org. Before version 2.1, SeaMonkey prevented users from using most of the alternatives listed there. I would certainly concur w.r.t. CSS3, 'though for reasons that are not relevant here, I am far less concerned about the other desiderata that you mention. This is rather different to simply slavishly emulating (or anticipating) what the competition are already doing or are about to do. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.2 state WAS: Sidebar Search change in 2.2
Jens Hatlak wrote: 2.2 was the first release after we switched to the rapid release process, Jens, can you say more about this switch to the rapid release process, for the benefit of those of us who are outside the inner circle and are therefore probably unaware of what this rapid release process is, and why it was instigated (and at whose behest ?). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.2 state WAS: Sidebar Search change in 2.2
Jens Hatlak wrote: Basically it means that a new major stable version is released every six weeks, and security updates will only be fixed for that new version; the previous versions are discontinued instantly. Since the Mozilla platform (the rendering engine Gecko etc.) is bound to the Firefox release schedule, that decision didn't leave us with much of a choice. We had to follow suit(e). This was brought up by the Firefox guys, who wanted to have more and quicker releases to bring new features (especially support for new web technologies) to the 200+ million people that use Firefox. Previously new major stable versions only appeared after many months, often years. Their decision made some waves; especially corporate users are now mostly left in the cold. Efforts were announced to work on those issues but it's unclear what the outcome will be. Very many thanks, Jens : much appreciated. My personal feeling is that this does not bode well, for Firefox, for Seamonkey and for anything Gecko-based. I just hope I am proved wrong. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Hey, Philip, is there a particular reason why you use the mail list?? Is it just that you were unaware that you could get all these posts any other way?? If it's just because you don't know how, askthere are any number of people here that could advise you how to get to the newsgroup directly. Then you could pick and choose which posts you read, rather than getting each and every one delivered to your mail box. Well, I just feel more comfortable using e-mail. It is an everyday part of my life, there is always an e-mail client running on my PC, and I typically send or receive several messages per hour. I also subscribe to a number of online fora. I just don't feel either the need or the inclination to start using yet more media (Usenet news, Twitter, Facebook, etc.). I know that (for example), in the TeX world, many people use Comp.Text.TeX; for them, that is fine; for myself, I prefer the TeXhax mailing list. It's really just a question of horses for courses, and this particular horse just feels more at home using the media that he has used for the last 25 years (or more). ** Phil. [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. Oops, sorry list : somehow I forgot to delete the list address. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sidebar Search change in 2.2
hawker wrote: As a side note: I hate to complain here. I find most of the complaining here to be unwarranted. To read this forum when SM went from 1.x to 2.0 the sky was falling. Most of the show stoppers I hear were issues I never saw, or felt were not a big deal. So most of the gloom and doom I read here I felt was just over reacting on peoples part. Example the changes to the forum manager were really not that big a deal. That seems to have changed for me in 2.2. I now see several odd behaviors in the browser (most which go away with a close app and re-open). The mail client, which as always been pretty much bug free, now has a ton of bugs. That said 2.2 has had the most regression bugs, lost features and new bugs of any version I have seen since before 1.0. I hope this new rapid release is not causing SM quality to suffer and this is just a bad build that we will get past. What is the feeling of the development team on this build or is this just the build where the issues have finally gotten to areas that affect me? I echo these sentiments. Throughout the evolution of Seamonkey, right up to and including V2.0.14, I have felt that each new release has represented a significant improvement. With the advent of 2.2 (I bypassed 2.1; Seamonkey did not even tell me it was available), I no longer feel this -- I do not understand the rationale for the changes, do not understand why it is so buggy (compared to previous versions), do not understand the haste with which it was apparently released. It is almost as if Seamonkey is starting to follow the same route as recent Microsoft operating systems -- I see the analogies as follows : Seamonkey Microsoft O/S 2.0.14 Windows/XP;SP2 (needs SP3 to address security concerns) 2.2 Vista (rushed out, too much attention to cosmetics and too little to detail) 2.x Windows 7 : better than Vista, better in some ways than XP, but also poorer than XP in many others. It is probably worth pointing out that I have never previously felt the need to join this list and comment on / ask questions about, Seamonkey -- it has, until now, done everything I wanted. Now, with 2.2, I feel I have no option : if I want 2.x to be as good as 2.0.14, and even more secure, then I feel I have to make my voice heard. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sidebar Search change in 2.2
Robert Kaiser wrote: hawker schrieb: So in SM 2.0 and before the sidebar search displayed the search results in both the browser window and below the search input. Unfortunately that's not possible in this way with the new search mechanism we switched to in 2.1 and later. This is unfortunate, but OTOH the older mechanism couldn't support the OpenSearch standard all other browser support, At the risk of sounding confrontational (which is not my intent) doing what all other browsers do is not, I suggest, why most of us use Seamonkey. We use Seamonkey because it does /not/ do what the other browsers do : if we wanted what the other browsers do, we would use the other browsers. My Eur 0,02 Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: If I were writing to you privately (as I have done, so you know), I would not munge my email, and I would use a friendlier sig. Best practices in public fora are somewhat different, for reasons well known to you. I did eventually realise why so many From: fields were deliberately obfuscated, but despite having been a regular user of the Internet and mailing lists since the time of the Arpanet, BITnet and EARN, it was the first time I had encountered a list on which it appeared to be almost universal practice to obfuscate one's address. It therefore took me a little while to realise what was going on, during which period I undoubtedly inadvertently disclosed a number of de-obfuscated addresses to the list, including yours. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Philip, I have my toolbars set for text only, just like you, however I've done (or had done) the auto-upgrade to SM 2.2, so I've got:- Reply dropdown Reply to Sender only Reply to Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to All dropdown Reply to Sender and Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to all Recipients I reply to the Newsgroup direct. I think that we are still talking at cross-purposes : what you see as a Newsgroup (and access using NNTP), I see as a mailing list and access using IMAP. The toolbars presented by Seamonkey in IMAP mode and in NNTP mode are not the same, nor could they reasonably be expected to be. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: That's what I was expecting here with Philip's post, but in checking I saw that he had posted to both the NG *AND* to me. Annoying!! No, I had posted to the mailing list (see immediately preceding message) and to the original sender after de-obfuscating his/her address. Any annoyance was purely unintentional. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: So having discovered that you had a problem posting direct to the newsgroup (why you and no-one else, ever??), you deliberately decided to annoy us individually as well!! No, I have no problem posting direct to the mailing list (see two immediately preceding messages for why I am consistently replacing your reference to a newsgroup with my own to a mailing list). As you typed, if you didn't remove the .nospam from my address, you would receive a bounce, rather than bugging me, Paul,!! Yes, I did receive a bounce; several, in fact. So, realising that my messages were not getting through to the original sender, because he/she had obfuscated his/her address, I did the gentlemanly thing and manually removed the obfuscation, so that he/she would receive my intended reply. My intentions were good; it is a matter of regret that my actions resulted in annoyance, which was never intended. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
WLS wrote: You do know that all posts to the mailing lists also show up in the newsgroups? Yes, I am slowly learning how this setup works :-) At least that is the way I understand it. I could be wrong and am often WLS (Webmaster Wannabe) Aim higher : I was far far happier as a computer typesetter using TeX than I ever was as a practising webmaster. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.2 bookmarks
W3BNR wrote: Right click on what you don't want and select 'cut'. Just make SURE you don't want it. Not available (for me) for Personal toolbar, which is most certainly my top priority to remove from this list. ** Phil (formerly G3TGQ). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows font-rendering engine in 2.2
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Thanks to AdBlocker Plus, I didn't see any ads, good, bad, or indifferent. No ads ? NO ADS ???! Are you trying to destroy civilisation as we know it ? Do you not realise that advertisements pay for the Internet, and without them we'd all be paying a minimum of USD 1000-00/month just to keep that infrastructure in place ? Deliberately blocking advertisements has been ruled by the highest legal authorities in the land to be in absolute violation of the Code of Civic Responsibilities (Section 18.4.3, as amended 2008/9/10/11), and carries a maximum penalty of penal servitude for life and an unlimited fine. Paul B. Gallagher, you are a disgrace to society : turn those advertisements back on NOW, or expect to suffer the full force of the law. Yours, disgustedly : A good netizen. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit Places.sqlite ?
Maybe use this as a starting point ? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sqlite-manager/ Philip Taylor nr wrote: I was wondering if a program could be written to directly edit the places.sqlite file to delete browser history older than x number of days? Ideally, this would be run from a desktop shortcut and not require user intervention. I'll be happy to attempt to write the program if this is feasible. Any advice (program to use, variable names, etc.) from more experienced folks is welcome. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 : Slowly removing all unwanted references to opening things in tabs
My userChrome.css now reads as follows (relevant parts only) --
menuitem#context-openlinkintab,
menuitem.openintabs-menuitem,
menuseparator.bookmarks-actions-menuseparator
{display: none!important}
It is now becoming increasingly difficult to accidentally
open something in a tab rather than a window :-)
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Seamonkey 2.2 browser : GInormous list of right-click options
Just right-clicked on a message title in a forum, and the attached list of options appeared. 95% seem completely irrelevant. Any idea why they have appeared ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Philip, did you upgrade from a prior version of SeaMonkey or did you download and install SeaMonkey 2.2 complete?? Well, both. Seamonkey told me V2.2 was available, and would I like to download/install it; then something nasty happened at the end of the download, and it didn't auto-install; so then I ran Check for updates, it found 2.2, told me it was already downloaded and ready to install, then (I think) installed it, or I may have done this last part manually -- no longer sure. Anyhow, I have been a Seamonkey user ever since it was Netscape (via Mozilla Suite), so all of my installations have been in the nature of upgrades. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Daniel wrote: Philip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote : Weird. If I do an ordinary reply to Daniel (CTRL-R or click the button), I get only the newsgroup. Well, here are the (relevant) headers from Paul's message, as displayed by Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client in IMAP mode : From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ? In-Reply-To: mailman.3922.1311687151.4544.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Errors-To: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org Sender: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org So, in the absence of an explicit Reply-to:, I believe that Seamonkey is correct in sending replies to : Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au and replies/all to Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Keith Whaley wrote: more than I feel comfortable citing So what is your point, Keith ? 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) 2) The list is inappropriately configured 3) Seamonkey is not correctly following RFC-822 4) Daniel is unreasonable in his expectations 5) Something else ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 DOM inspector and wildcards
What is the expected/intended behaviour of the DOM inspector if a wildcard is used as the leading element of a value field in the Find dialogue ? I was attempting to search for all tags with an attribute containing intab; if I search for that string with Attr=* and Value=intab, I am told End of document reached, but if I search for that string with Attr=* and Value=*intab, nothing happens and the Find does not terminate with any status. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 browser : where have zoom levels 5 to 8 gone ?
Just endeavouring to read some hard-to-decipher hanzi on this page : http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/33904-need-a-translation-please/page__pid__253566#entry253566 and I found that Seamonkey 2.2 maxed out at three levels of zoom. I was certain that earlier versions offered far more than this, and booted my Virtual PC where I still have Seamonkey 2.0.11. Sure enough, that offered me eight levels of zoom. So where have zoom levels four to eight gone in Seamonkey 2.2 ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Keith Whaley wrote: Fair enough, Philip. See below, please. I am assuming you meant these line items as questions, not statements? I ask, because you had NO punctuation following the last word in each sentence. I've constructed my reply as tho' you meant these to be questions. Yes, that was intentional. Itemised lists don't normally require trailing punctuation to make their meaning clear, and I felt that by presenting what I perceived as the five possible options as an itemised list, my meaning would be clear. 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) Perhaps. In that there is virtually no need to send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address, as WELL as the list. Not only that but it works a hardship on him. If there's no rational reason to send him a personal email as well, why do so? Just because it's habit to hit Reply All? Ah, but I /don't/ send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address; I use Reply/all, and that generates a To and a CC, the To: being Daniel and the CC: being the list. So I agree that a separate e-mail is being sent to Daniel, but that is not my intent; my intent is to reply to the list, and the only option that Seamonkey offers me with this particular configuration of the list-server is Reply/all. As you have yourself noted, Reply is inadequate, in that it replies to Daniel and not to the list. You might want to argue that having used Reply/all, it is then incumbent on me to remove Daniel's mailbox from the To: field -- I agree that I could do this, but it seems excessively onerous. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
S. Beaulieu wrote: As I said in my previous message, it does here. I've never, ever had it reply to the poster personally. The only way I can do that is by clicking on the tiny arrow that shows on the Reply button and then choose the option to reply to the sender only. The button itself replies to the group, as it should. It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). You must have changed something on your end if that's not the behaviour you see. I don't think that's a valid deduction -- you can quite reasonably assert Something must be different, but not you must have changed something. So let's start by enumerating what we have and what we see. Here : Seamonkey 2.2 Windows XP/PRO;SP3 Server: IMAP Headers : already sent. Behaviour : Reply : reply-to-one-sender Reply All : reply-to-one-sender, cc-list. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: You may be right about what it /should/ do; I won't quibble over the legalities. But my SM 2.0.14 behaves as I described, notwithstanding the RFC. If v. 2.2 behaves differently, that's a change. OK, trying now with Seamonkey 2.0.11 in a Virtual PC -- Reply = Reply-to-one-sender Reply All = Reply-to-one-sender, cc-to-list. So identical behaviour here between 2.0.11 2.2 See immediately preceding message asking those who experience something different to provide more details of their installation and of the headers they see. Further, assuming that the private address shown here has been munged to defeat spammers, we must infer from the fact that a reply reached him that human intervention was involved (to remove .nospam). Correct ! Having discovered (by virtue of numerous bounce messages) that the majority of subscribers to this list have spurious elements in their From: fields, I now routinely remove these spurii as a matter of course. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
S. Beaulieu wrote: It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). Here's the screeenshot, where I included an arrow to point at the tiny arrow. http://www.sereenie.com/images/screenshot.jpg OK, you appear to display toolbars as graphics; I display them as text, and see no arrows (there is presumably no textual equivalent to an arrow). NNTP v. IMAP : understood. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I consider it common courtesy not to decode and publish the real email address when your recipient has purposely munged it to foil the spambots. You may well be right. Equally I consider it a common courtesy not to use a fraudulent From: field that causes me to get an error message whenever I use Reply/all without first do-obfuscating said From: field. It was experiencing the latter that led to the former, although it was never a conscious intention to reveal to the list the de-obfuscated addresses. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 08:29 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: ... according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). See: RFC-2369 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt [The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields] Thunderbird resolved this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 [Reply to List [button/(context) menu item] but it took quite some time to do. Related SM bug is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654009 [Reply to list: automatically determine From: address [SeaMonkey Part]] Interesting, but I am less than clear as to what happens when the requirements of RFC-822 and this more recent RFC come into conflict. In the case under discussion, I believe that Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client is behaving correctly in sending REPLYies to the mailbox specified in the From: field and REPLYies/ALL to the same, CC-ing the mailbox specified in the To: field at the same time. If Seamonkey were to be modified to follow the Thunderbird paradigm, then would I be right in thinking that REPLY would continue to honour RFC-822 whilst REPLY/LIST would implement RFC-2369 ? If that is the case, then rather than my eye/brain/finger system having to decide on a case-by-base basis whether REPLY or REPLY/LIST were the preferred option, it would be better if there were a user- configurable option to auto-detect messages containing RFC-2369-style metadata and adjust the behaviour of REPLY accordingly. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows font-rendering engine in 2.2
David E. Ross wrote: On 7/26/11 7:31 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:09:05 -0700, David E. Ross wrote: On 7/26/11 12:20 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/26/2011 2:41 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher, you are a disgrace to society : turn those advertisements back on NOW, or expect to suffer the full force of the law. Umm seriously?? Do you not recognize sarcasm? He's an American. It is a well known usenet truism that Americans don't understand irony. Probably there's an iron deficiency in their diet or something. I'm an American, and I recognized the sarcasm immediately. Sarcasm and irony mean almost the same thing with the former having a more negative connotation than the latter. However, irony makes me think of ironic. Although ironic can mean exemplifying irony, it can also mean coincidental; unexpected, which is what I usually mean by that word. Thus, I prefer sarcasm in the situation at hand. Aren't you sorry you even mentioned irony? :) As the Briton who appears to have inadvertently provoked this discussion, I would like to clarify that neither sarcasm nor irony were intended, nor do I think that evidence for the existence of either can be found in my original message. Rather, the message was intended to contain humour (or humor, for the benefit of native speakers of Am.E) : a little something to lighten the day of those who happened to read it. I /think/ that Justin Wood recognised this (as evidenced by his closing I doubt this is legit though, so please carry on., but his earlier Umm seriously does cast some doubt on this conjecture. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Just attempted to reply to a friend's e-mail having first reformatted the original text in an external editor to have line breaks at or before column-72 (he is one of those annoying people who insist on sending infinitely long lines), only to find that right-click Paste as quotation has disappeared. It is still possible from the Edit menu, but I am so used to accessing it from a right-click that I feel distinctly lost without it. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Phillip, I was going to ask you why do you go to the trouble to reformatting in an external editor when you could just Re-wrap in SM mail, but I've had a look on the drop down me nus and that function is not available in SM 2.2 (Linux at least) for newsgroup posts (logical) or for email. Well, two reasons. 1) I like semantic line breaks, so I prefer to adjust the line breaks manually having first auto-wrapped to 64 chars or so. 2) In my version of Seamonkey (V2.2, Win/XP;SP3), the functionality is allegedly there (i.e., there is an entry in the drop-down), but it does nothing. (as you can see from your own text, inserted above, which has been selected and told to re-wrap, with no perceivable effect). I wonder why this function was dropped?? Not dropped here, simply dysfunctional. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? I did have to select Edit, Rewrap. So I guess it depends on what you're using as your external editor? I don't see how it can be. Surely all that is necessary is to have something on the clipboard ? If I am offered paste, then that confirms that there is something on the clipboard, so what reason might there be that I was not also offered paste as quotation ? Note : in the current e-mail dialogue, right-click/paste- as quotation has re-appeared. Very odd indeed. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? Sorry, the answer to that is clear from your original message; not sure how I failed to spot it on the first pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 : Lose Open All in Tabs and corresponding separator
Using suggestions for losing the Open All in Tabs and
its preceding separator from a bookmark folder in the
personal toolbar, I created a userChrome.css from the
pre-existing example userChrome-example.css and added
the following entry :
/* Remove Open All In Tabs links */
menuitem[label=Open All in Tabs],
menuseparator[builder=end]{display:none!important}
Whilst this has the desired effect of losing the Open
All in Tabs entry, it does /not/ lose the corresponding
separator (hr); can anyone advise, please ?
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Re: Seamonkey 2.2 : Lose Open All in Tabs and corresponding separator
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
[...]
Whilst this has the desired effect of losing the Open
All in Tabs entry, it does /not/ lose the corresponding
separator (hr); can anyone advise, please ?
OK, gone :-) After poking around with the DOM inspector
for quite a while (and never having used it before), I
finally found the separator of interest. I do not know
whether or not it has the attribute builder, but it
/does/ appear to have the class bookmarks-actions-menuseparator,
so the following finally lost it :
/* Remove Open All In Tabs links */
menuitem [label=Open All in Tabs],
menuseparator.bookmarks-actions-menuseparator {display: none!important}
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Re: Separate post: please help, I want to go back to an earlier version of SM
WLS wrote: From the metrics page. https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/seamonkey.shtml I think the developers do a great job considering the suite has so few users, compared to Firefox, which had 110405504 active installations yesterday. I don't know how they get these figures and can not vouch for their accuracy. I would love to see those figures in a historical context (that is, how the total number of Seamonkey users has varied, and is varying, since it was first released). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 browser : GINORMOUS list of right-click options
Just right-clicked on a message title in a forum, and this list of options appeared : http://web-consultants.org.uk/screen-captures/Fullscreen%20capture%2024-Jul-2011%20153843.jpg 95% seem completely irrelevant. Any idea why they have appeared ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 browser : GINORMOUS list of right-click options
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:04:26 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/: Just right-clicked on a message title in a forum, and this list of options appeared : http://web-consultants.org.uk/screen-captures/Fullscreen%20capture%2024-Jul-2011%20153843.jpg 95% seem completely irrelevant. Any idea why they have appeared ? Already asked and answered yesterday - see the Robert Kaiser and Philip Chee's replies to the I want my old Seamonkey back thread. Bascially just restart SeaMonkey to workaround the problem. Ah, sorry, must have missed that. Anyhow, browser has been closed and restarted many times since 2.2 was installed, so that is not going to help in this case ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 browser : GINORMOUS list of right-click options
David E. Ross wrote: On 7/24/11 8:18 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Already asked and answered yesterday - see the Robert Kaiser and Philip Chee's replies to the I want my old Seamonkey back thread. Bascially just restart SeaMonkey to workaround the problem. I can't find that thread. Starts here (see attached). Philip Taylor ---BeginMessage--- Please how do I get my old version of SeaMonkey back!? I updated to v2.2 in good faith. The new version is a nightmare. Have you tried to right-click? All I want to do is copy-paste and spell check, all I get is a laundry list of useless (to me) functions. And what is the extra addition to the tool bar with a q of pages. I like that it opened up a new window for each e-mail link I click. Please I've been Mozilla since day 1. Please can I have my old friend back...Steve ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ---End Message--- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: More on unwanted tabs
Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: That does not work for the Add-ons Manager or the Data Manager. They still open in tabs in the window where they were requested. I guess that's a 2.1.x thing...one more reason I'll stick with 2.0.14 for now. I have managed to find a work-around : simply enter about:addons in the location field and hit return; the current page will be replaced by the add-on manager, and a return can be made to the previous page when use of the add-on manager is complete using the normal browser Back functionality. Hardly elegant, but at least it will allow me to use the add-on manager without creating a new tab. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Separate post: please help, I want to go back to an earlier version of SM
Ken -- Hi guys. I have already posted the following as an adjunct to other threads but got no response. I will clarify below what I am seeking: Looks like I can't go back to SM 2.0.18 (I think it was - but it may have been 2.0.11). The 'Known Issues' note for SM 2.2 is headed (in bold), 'Data loss warning' and continues: 'If you use a profile with this or any later version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new places.qlite file, effectively resetting your browsing history.' Well, I don't pretend to understand all of that, but it does seem to be saying that I will lose data if I try to restore the SM version I had before. No? It would seem, from the text you cite and from the Known issues page : http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues that the only expected data loss is your browsing history. Given that most of us now operate in paranoid mode, and clear the browser history on browser exit anyway, this does not seem to represent a serious risk. Like you, and like some other contributors to this list since the announcement/release of V2.2, I too feel that V2.2 has fixed far too much that ain't broke in the first place -- incremental releases should (IMHO) address security concerns, evolving standards such as CSS, and similar core issues, reserving major behavioural changes such as the new must use tabs philosophy and the no-longer-optional installation of Chatzilla for optional major release (i.e., Seamonkey 3). Philip Taylor. who understands the the world must move on philosophy, but who nonetheless finds Windows/XP, Classic View, Office 2003 and so on infinitely more user friendly than any of the more recent developments). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
about:config -- why no hyperhelp
In endeavouring to persuade Seamonkey 2.2 to behave more as I would wish (and as earlier versions always did), I find that I am making far more use than normal of about:config What makes this so intensely frustrating is that there is no hyperhelp associated with the keys, and I have to launch a new browser session and use Google in order to find the meaning of the various keys and their values. Is there any obvious reason why the about:config interface cannot/does not support hyperlinks to the relevant documentation, rather than requiring the user to search for it in hyperspace ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config -- why no hyperhelp
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:16:55 +0100, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Is there any obvious reason why the about:config interface cannot/does not support hyperlinks to the relevant documentation, rather than requiring the user to search for it in hyperspace ? Most obvious reason: SeaMonkey is a totally volunteer driven community project. There are no paid developers. I understand that, and I am very grateful to those volunteers for the finite-but-unbounded hours they have dedicated, and will dedicate, to the development of this most useful suite. To do this you would need. 1. Sufficient number of volunteers with the free time and skills to do this. 2. Get these volunteers to spend an indeterminate number of man hours researching and documenting each of several thousand preferences This may seem a naive question, but how on earth can those several thousand preferences not already be documented ? How can a volunteer usefully contribute to the project unless what is already accomplished is properly documented ? Surely new volunteers aren't expected to work out for themselves how everything works, are they ? I do understand that this is a distributed project, and that conventional ideas concerning project management may not be entirely relevant, but I would have thought (and expected) that everything accomplished so far would be properly documented so that those who volunteer to continue with the work will have a sound basis from which to start. 3. Compile the information into an indexed and searchable format. 4. Write some code to the about:config screen to link each entry to the relevant documentation. Such effort would, at least, have been of great potential benefit to all users of Seamonkey, whereas (and with the greatest respect) some of the effort that has gone into Seamonkey 2.2 (such as the switch to a tab-based browsing environment) is perhaps of far more restricted potential benefit. As has been written elsewhere, trying to bring Seamonkey into closer alignment with Firefox behaviour is not necessarily well-advised : those who want Firefox-like behaviour will already be using Firefox -- those of us that do not would (I suspect) prefer Seamonkey to remain as it was, at least as regards the user interface. Alternatively find someone who has already done all that. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/whats-that-preference/ Sadly that potential solution, interesting though it is, is apparently not relevant to this lists (Seamonkey-support), as it appears to work solely with a different product (Firefox 7 and later). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config -- why no hyperhelp
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Try downloading the whats_that_preference-0.3-fx.xpi extension file locally. At the end, ZIP the unpacked and modified thing back, preserving the file name (i.e. having *.xpi extension) and drop into SeaMonkey to install. Works fine for me. Excellent, many thanks Stanimir : will give it a go ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Unwanted tab opening from hyperlink in e-mail
Hallo. I have just upgraded to Seamonkey V2.2, and for the first time, have encountered a change behaviour which is both unexpected and unwanted. In all previous versions, clicking on an http: hyperlink in an e-mail message caused a new browser window to open; now, in V2.2, a new tab opens instead. I do not use tabs, do not like tabs, but can find nothing under Edit/Preferences that will allow me to restore this behaviour to its previous form. I would be very grateful if someone could advise me how to undo this unwanted change, short of reverting back to an earlier version of Seamonkey. Many thanks in advance : Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unwanted tab opening from hyperlink in e-mail
Michael Gordon wrote: advance : Philip Taylor Try going to Edit/Preferences/Browser/Tabbed Browsing. Uncheck what you do not want. Even though this is a browser setting and you are posting about e-mail, when you click on a link in a message it opens your web browser. Thank, Michael, but that was the first place I looked. My Tabbed Browsing preferences are set as follows : Tab Display : [X] Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open [ ] Switch to new tabs opened from links [ ] Warn me when closing a window with multiple tabs [X] Open related tabs after current tab When opening a bookmark group : [ ] Add tabs [X] Replace existing tabs Open tabs instead of windows for : [ ] Middle-click, Ctrl+click, or Ctrl-Enter on links in a Web page [ ] Ctrl+Enter in the Location bar Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unwanted tab opening from hyperlink in e-mail
WLS wrote: I believe he meant to lead you to Link Behavior, found just below Tabbed Browsing. Thank you ! That does indeed allow me to configure Seamonkey 2.2 not to use tabs, as I would wish. Now all I have to do is to find out how to remove Open all in tabs, which has snuck in at the bottom a bookmark folder, also with the upgrade to V2.2 Philip Taylor P.S. Odd that Seamonkey's real-time spelling checker should flag Seamonkey as an error ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
More on unwanted tabs
With help from Michael and WLS, I have now managed to get e-mail http: hyperlinks to open in a new window, not in a new tab. But now I find that the add-on manager opens in a new tab (I have to use the add-on manager to remove Chatzilla, which has been forcibly installed without my agreement). Please, I do not want tabs. At all. Period. Is there one global switch that will stop Seamonkey 2.2 from opening new tabs at all, and force everything to open in a new window ? Thank you ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
