Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[NFN Smith]

Mike C wrote:


Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
This just started.

"Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?"

How do I eliminate it??

Out of curiosity, why would you want to do that?

Something to remember is that when you delete messages from a folder 
(including moving from one folder to another), the content of the first 
folder is not actually physically deleted until compacting is done, and 
indexes are rebuilt.


Even if compacting doesn't save more than a trivial amount of space, 
regular compacting is one of Seamonkey's standard maintenance processes.


While there may be reason to set the thresholds higher or lower, 
depending on your needs, I don't suggest eliminating altogether.


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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Daniel]

b2m13j1o...@gmail.com wrote on 23/07/2018 6:28 PM:

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 at 5:46:48 PM UTC+1, Mike C wrote:
Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following. 
This just started.


"Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
space?"

How do I eliminate it??


Thick as I may appear just what effect does the following message
mean? Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save
disc space? This will save about 20.6 MB

Well, if you are tight for RAM or HD space, you can get a little bit 
more space.


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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mason83]

On 23/07/2018 10:28, b2m13j1o...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 at 5:46:48 PM UTC+1, Mike C wrote:
>> Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
>> This just started.
>>
>> "Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?"
>>
>> How do I eliminate it??
> 
> Thick as I may appear just what effect does the following message mean?
> Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disc space? This 
> will save about 20.6 MB

Do you realize you're replying to a 6 year-old message?

By default, SM/TB store messages in the mbox format
(one system file per mail "folder")

When a message is deleted, for performance reasons, it is only
marked as deleted (exactly as some filesystems do). Compacting
means rewriting the whole file after actually removing the
deleted messages.

Hope I was clear(ish)

Rgds
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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[b2m13j1ov21]

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 at 5:46:48 PM UTC+1, Mike C wrote:
> Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
> This just started.
> 
> "Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?"
> 
> How do I eliminate it??

Thick as I may appear just what effect does the following message mean?
Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disc space? This 
will save about 20.6 MB
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Re: Compact

[Mason83]

On 18/10/2017 22:30, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
> 
>> On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:
>>
>>> 2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to
>>> download all of them again ?
>>
>> I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.
> 
> Are you sure? I thought the msf file was just an index file, with no 
> content. For example, in your mail folders, "Inbox" has the content and 
> "Inbox.msf" is the corresponding index file. So I would expect you to 
> have to copy both to the target PC.

I was wrong and you're right, as Chris points out.
The msf file contains headers and formatting information.
The extension-less file contains the actual bodies for a NG.

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Re: Compact

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-10-18 2:30 PM, MonkeyAround wrote:

Certain newsgroups I like to use off-line and keep around forever.

1) how do i verify that they are really on my PC ?


Disconnect your PC. :)
SeaMonkey keeps a session cache of online messages you've read during 
the session, so start SeaMonkey after disconnecting. SeaMonkey should 
detect that you're offline, and go into offline mode.

Then view your messages to verify that they are there.

2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to 
download all of them again ?


When you've downloaded newsgroup messages for offline reading, a 
separate file with no extension will be created to hold offline messages.

For example:
"mozilla.support.seamonkey" and "mozilla.support.seamonkey.msf"

1. Go to Help-->Troubleshooting_Information.
2. Click [Show Folder]. Windows Explorer window will open in your 
profile folder.

3. Close SeaMonkey.
4. In your profile folder, go the \News\ folder.
5. Copy the files named after the news server.

After you've set up the account in your destination PC, close SeaMonkey 
and replace the newly created files with the ones from your old profile.


But if you're transferring to a different PC, I recommend transferring 
the entire profile. For more info, see 
.


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Re: Compact

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Earlier today, I wrote:


Mason83 wrote:


On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:


2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have
to download all of them again ?


I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.


Are you sure? I thought the msf file was just an index file, with no
content. For example, in your mail folders, "Inbox" has the content
and "Inbox.msf" is the corresponding index file. So I would expect
you to have to copy both to the target PC.


Looks like you are. My msf file for this newsgroup is 49 MB.

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Re: Compact

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mason83 wrote:


On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:


2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to
download all of them again ?


I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.


Are you sure? I thought the msf file was just an index file, with no 
content. For example, in your mail folders, "Inbox" has the content and 
"Inbox.msf" is the corresponding index file. So I would expect you to 
have to copy both to the target PC.


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Re: Compact

[Mason83]

On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:

> Certain newsgroups I like to use off-line and keep around forever.
> 
> 1) how do i verify that they are really on my PC ?

File > Offline > Download/Sync Now...

> 2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to 
> download all of them again ?

I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.

> 3) how do I compact those files ?

I'm not sure one compacts Newsgroup folders.

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Compact

[MonkeyAround]

Certain newsgroups I like to use off-line and keep around forever.

1) how do i verify that they are really on my PC ?

2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to 
download all of them again ?


3) how do I compact those files ?
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no longer able to compact folders

[Roy Carlson]

I am using SeaMonkey version 2.46.

 

I haven't been able to delete any email messages for a few weeks now.

 

I have usually had no problem deleting old messages from trash and
compacting the folder.  But I'm not able to compact the folders.  That ends
up freezing my Windows 7 desktop.

 

The first message I get is: "The folder Trash is full, and can't hold any
more messages.  To make room for more messages, delete any old or unwanted
mail and compact the folder."

 

For years that has worked without problem.  Now, I've been getting an error
message saying something can't write and I don't have privileges.  (Sorry, I
can't recreate the message at the moment.)

 

Any solutions?

 

Thanks,

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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[rcarlsonjr]

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-7, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> rcarlso...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be 
> > compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough 
> > disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file system , then 
> > try again."
> >
> > I've compacted dozens of times without problems.  Now, if I try to compact 
> > any folder it freezes my computer.
> >
> > I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 
> > 7601.
> >
> > And SeaMonkey version 2.46.
> >
> 
> First I would try repairing the index on it. Right-click on Trash > 
> Properties...> Repair Folder  It essentially rebuilds the msf file.
> 
> If that doesn't work enter about:support and under Profile Folder click 
> show folder. In Explorer navigate to mail account folder
> Mail\maildomnain.com
> 
> And check properties of file Trash and make sure it is not read-only and 
> that you own it. Fix accordingly.
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> 
> Jonathan
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I tried repairing the index but that didn't seem to work yet.  I'll try the 
other remedy if I can figure it out.
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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[Paul B. Gallagher]

rcarlso...@gmail.com wrote:


On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:23 PM UTC-7, Paul B. Gallagher
wrote:


Try this:

Close SeaMonkey completely, including any quick-start features.

In the profile folder
C:\Users\Windows_User_Name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\mail_account_name

(or wherever your profile's mail folder is located in Win7 HP),
where "" is a random string of letters and numbers unique
to your profile, locate and delete the folders "Trash" and
"Trash.msf." SeaMonkey will create new (empty) ones the next time
you launch it.

If that doesn't work, post back.


If I do this will I take it all the messages that are in trash will
be deleted?  I maintain some in trash for awhile for business
reasons.  But I suppose I could just create a new folder for that
"archived" stuff.


Or you could drag and drop those messages to another folder before 
deleting the Trash files. It's probably a better practice to save 
valuable messages somewhere other than Trash. Jes' sayin'...


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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[rcarlsonjr]

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:23 PM UTC-7, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> rcarlso...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be
> > compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have
> > enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file
> > system , then try again."
> >
> > I've compacted dozens of times without problems.  Now, if I try to
> > compact any folder it freezes my computer.
> >
> > I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1
> > Build 7601.
> >
> > And SeaMonkey version 2.46.
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> Close SeaMonkey completely, including any quick-start features.
> 
> In the profile folder
> C:\Users\Windows_User_Name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\mail_account_name
> (or wherever your profile's mail folder is located in Win7 HP), where 
> "" is a random string of letters and numbers unique to your 
> profile, locate and delete the folders "Trash" and "Trash.msf." 
> SeaMonkey will create new (empty) ones the next time you launch it.
> 
> If that doesn't work, post back.
> 
> -- 
> War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> --
> Paul B. Gallagher

If I do this will I take it all the messages that are in trash will be deleted? 
 I maintain some in trash for awhile for business reasons.  But I suppose I 
could just create a new folder for that "archived" stuff.
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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[rcarlsonjr]

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-7, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 5/4/17 5:49 PM, Richard Alan wrote:
> > rcarlsonjr wrote:
> >
> >> I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be
> >> compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough
> >> disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file system ,
> >> then try again."   
> > ..and since you didn't say you actually did it, *did* you really check to
> > see if you have enough disk space?
> >
> 
> ...and since nobody asked, is it a POP3 or IMAP account?
> 
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I do have enough disk space and it is a POP3 account.
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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[WaltS48]

On 5/4/17 5:49 PM, Richard Alan wrote:

rcarlsonjr wrote:


I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be
compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough
disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file system ,
then try again."   

..and since you didn't say you actually did it, *did* you really check to
see if you have enough disk space?



...and since nobody asked, is it a POP3 or IMAP account?

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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[Richard Alan]

rcarlsonjr wrote:

> I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be
> compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough
> disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file system ,
> then try again."   

..and since you didn't say you actually did it, *did* you really check to 
see if you have enough disk space? 

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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[Paul B. Gallagher]

rcarlso...@gmail.com wrote:


I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be
compacted because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have
enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to this file
system , then try again."

I've compacted dozens of times without problems.  Now, if I try to
compact any folder it freezes my computer.

I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1
Build 7601.

And SeaMonkey version 2.46.

Thanks.


Try this:

Close SeaMonkey completely, including any quick-start features.

In the profile folder
C:\Users\Windows_User_Name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\mail_account_name
(or wherever your profile's mail folder is located in Win7 HP), where 
"" is a random string of letters and numbers unique to your 
profile, locate and delete the folders "Trash" and "Trash.msf." 
SeaMonkey will create new (empty) ones the next time you launch it.


If that doesn't work, post back.

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Re: unable to compact folders to delete trash

[Jonathan N. Little]

rcarlso...@gmail.com wrote:

I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be compacted because 
writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have write 
privileges to this file system , then try again."

I've compacted dozens of times without problems.  Now, if I try to compact any 
folder it freezes my computer.

I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601.

And SeaMonkey version 2.46.



First I would try repairing the index on it. Right-click on Trash > 
Properties...> Repair Folder  It essentially rebuilds the msf file.


If that doesn't work enter about:support and under Profile Folder click 
show folder. In Explorer navigate to mail account folder

Mail\maildomnain.com

And check properties of file Trash and make sure it is not read-only and 
that you own it. Fix accordingly.


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unable to compact folders to delete trash

[rcarlsonjr]

I keep getting the error message: "The folder "Trash" could not be compacted 
because writing to folder failed.  Verify that you have enough disk space, and 
that you have write privileges to this file system , then try again."

I've compacted dozens of times without problems.  Now, if I try to compact any 
folder it freezes my computer.

I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601.

And SeaMonkey version 2.46.

Thanks.
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compact folders message

[F Murtz]

Sea monkey has suddenly decided to ask me do I wish to compact folders 
all the time, it has just started this stunt how do I stop it?

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Re: compact folders message

[Daniel]

F Murtz wrote:

Sea monkey has suddenly decided to ask me do I wish to compact folders
all the time, it has just started this stunt how do I stop it?


Why do you want to stop it??

When you receive an e-mail in SM, it is written into your inbox. If you 
delete it, it is removed from your view, but if you were to open your 
inbox folder in a text editor, you would still be able to see the 
deleted e-mail in the file. If you receive another e-mail, it gets 
added to your inbox, so the file just keeps getting bigger and bigger 
until you compact your folders.


So, IMHO, being reminded to compact your folders is a good thing.

However, if you do really want to turn it off, have a look at 
Edit-Preferences-Network and Storage and de-select Disk Space.


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Re: compact folders message

[F Murtz]

Daniel wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

Sea monkey has suddenly decided to ask me do I wish to compact folders
all the time, it has just started this stunt how do I stop it?


Why do you want to stop it??

When you receive an e-mail in SM, it is written into your inbox. If you
delete it, it is removed from your view, but if you were to open your
inbox folder in a text editor, you would still be able to see the
deleted e-mail in the file. If you receive another e-mail, it gets
added to your inbox, so the file just keeps getting bigger and bigger
until you compact your folders.

So, IMHO, being reminded to compact your folders is a good thing.

However, if you do really want to turn it off, have a look at
Edit-Preferences-Network and Storage and de-select Disk Space.

HTH

If I let it compact what does it compact and where does it go an how do 
I get it back?

It is while I am using newsgroups that it wants to compact
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Re: compact folders message

[Ed Mullen]

F Murtz wrote:

Daniel wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

Sea monkey has suddenly decided to ask me do I wish to compact folders
all the time, it has just started this stunt how do I stop it?


Why do you want to stop it??

When you receive an e-mail in SM, it is written into your inbox. If you
delete it, it is removed from your view, but if you were to open your
inbox folder in a text editor, you would still be able to see the
deleted e-mail in the file. If you receive another e-mail, it gets
added to your inbox, so the file just keeps getting bigger and bigger
until you compact your folders.

So, IMHO, being reminded to compact your folders is a good thing.

However, if you do really want to turn it off, have a look at
Edit-Preferences-Network and Storage and de-select Disk Space.

HTH


If I let it compact what does it compact and where does it go an how do
I get it back?
It is while I am using newsgroups that it wants to compact


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Chris Ilias wrote:

Snip

P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)



As in Good to hear, Good to hear, I guess!! I'll accept that!!

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Philip TAYLOR]

Daniel wrote:


Chris Ilias wrote:


P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)


As in Good to hear, Good to hear, I guess!! I'll accept that!!


Not convinced.  I have always believed that it is, in fact,
an imperative : Hear [this], hear [this].  Others may
disagree.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-25 9:13 PM, Rufus wrote:

I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default
behavior.


It is a user option and never was hardcoded. Go to 
SeaMonkey--Preferences--Mail__Newsgroups--Network__Storage, and 
uncheck Compact folders when it will save over ## MB.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-25 9:13 PM, Rufus wrote:

I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default
behavior.


It is a user option and never was hardcoded. Go to
SeaMonkey--Preferences--Mail__Newsgroups--Network__Storage, and
uncheck Compact folders when it will save over ## MB.



And that will force Compact All on close/quit?  If that's true, that's 
how I'll roll...


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Rufus wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox
will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.



This where I loose it...copied?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the
Trash vise just being removed from display?  That doesn't make any
logical sense to me - true or not...


Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.



That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages
marked as deleted and still not displayed.  I don't see how it would
though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder.


Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from
view, but also remove them.


Which is what one would expect.


* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.



In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders
requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg.  I should think I'd see a
lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all.

I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is
what is really going on.


Here's were terminology is important:
When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old
location.

When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the
original location (it's moved).

The questions are:
1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying?
   Does the inbox need to be compacted?

2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying?
   Does the inbox need to be compacted?

3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying?
   I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting.



Precisely.  I get the impression that an actual cut is *never*
performed.  Nor is an actual delete.

And since I'm not seeing requests to Compact All Folders, how do I
force/invoke that?  I can't find a menu item for it...



File-Empty Trash and File-Compact Folders

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Rufus wrote:

Snip

I'd be *really* happy if I had a user pref option to Compact All Folders
on closing Mail, and/or SM (closing session) -


Here!! Here!! (except when I accidentally delete a message I later 
realise I need!!)


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Rufus wrote:

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:


»Q« wrote:



Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.



I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure...


The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body
text*) is within a single file;  that's a key in
understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I
mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;)


but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be
the case.


:)


It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a
surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure
this way. Each message is an individual file.


That's a newer way of doing it.  There was work going on to add support
for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey),
and maybe that will continue.



I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit
Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data.  That
would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a
more comprehensible manner.



Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this 
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* 
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your
explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder??


When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being
moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to
the trash folder.



Yeap, thanks, Chris. I had thought that the message did not appear at 
all in the trash folder, just a counter got incremented, but I see, from 
all the discussion here-abouts, that a copy is actually made and placed 
in Trash!!


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:


»Q« wrote:



Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.



I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure...


The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body
text*) is within a single file;  that's a key in
understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I
mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;)


but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be
the case.


:)


It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a
surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure
this way. Each message is an individual file.


That's a newer way of doing it.  There was work going on to add support
for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey),
and maybe that will continue.



I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit
Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data.  That
would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a
more comprehensible manner.



Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might*
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!



and that should read ...come it takes so long for SM to.!

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might*
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!


That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current
Compact to save size operation.  Let the user decide which best fits the
way they work.


Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users 
don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result, 
they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually 
slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received 
was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your 
inbox via SeaMonkey.


P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might*
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!


That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current
Compact to save size operation.  Let the user decide which best fits the
way they work.


Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users
don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result,
they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually
slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received
was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your
inbox via SeaMonkey.

P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)



I for one certainly didn't know, or know the implications.  I got the 
impression it was/is a *good* thing, but again I almost never see a 
Compact Folders notification (save 20 MB) presumably because of my own 
usage habits - I don't really use my SM Inbox for much.  My Sent Folder, 
yeah...


But this is another argument for why I'd prefer to be able to just set 
Compact All Folders at close of Mail/session.  It might take some time 
the first time (and I'm not sure that would really be true now that I'm 
a bit smarter on the matter), but after that I'd think it would go 
smoothly and transparently.


I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might*
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!


That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current
Compact to save size operation.  Let the user decide which best fits the
way they work.


Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users
don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result,
they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually
slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received
was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your
inbox via SeaMonkey.

P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)


BTW, my theory is that the American word yeah is our rendition of 
hear as said by a Brit from an r-dropping dialect. So our translation 
of hear, hear would be yeah, yeah.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this
suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might*
have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!!


That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current
Compact to save size operation.  Let the user decide which best fits the
way they work.


Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users
don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result,
they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually
slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received
was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your
inbox via SeaMonkey.

P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :)


BTW, my theory is that the American word yeah is our rendition of
hear as said by a Brit from an r-dropping dialect. So our translation
of hear, hear would be yeah, yeah.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear

I would have thought it derived from the o-ye, o-ye of the town criers 
of old(e)...or the O-yea, o-yea of the British courts, when is bourn(e) 
of oyeaz-oyeaz.


...which are near to spot-on for the imperative conjugation of the 
Spanish verb oir - to listen - which is oye. Or oyele - listen to 
him - in translation in accord with the Wiki.


But they all seem to funnel from imperative variations of/on hear ye 
in meaning; though modern American vernacular would likely tend more 
towards listen up.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Jens Hatlak wrote:


Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion
and removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I
believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from
Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not
addressing what happens in Trash.


Jens used the singular Compact Folder -- if that was intentional, then
only the Trash would be compacted. But if he meant to use the plural,
Compact Folders would compact all folders in the account, including
Inbox, and his comment would be relevant.



Maybe I talking olden days, but I don't think an e-mail is really, ever, 
moved to Trash, it's just marked (in its header) for deletion and, 
maybe, a pointer is set in trash, but no e-mails in trash. Then, when 
the e-mail account is compacted, those e-mails marked (in their headers) 
for deletion, are actually deleted.


But I do not do any development work on SM as, I believe, Jens does, so 
whom should you believe??


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Rufus wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice,
especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.

[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would
affect other folders.]

HTH

Jens



so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox
because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer
reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty.

If it doesn't work that way, it should!  That would be what one would
expect.



No, Rufus, as I understand it:-

1.  an e-mail is received into the inbox, un-read. Inbox size is increased.
2.	the e-mail in the inbox is read (causing a change in e-mail header). 
Inbox file size is unchanged.
3.	the e-mail in the inbox is marked as Trash, causing change in header, 
but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number increases by one. Inbox 
file size is unchanged.
4.	Trash is emptied, causing change in header, but stays in inbox 
(invisible) and Trash number goes to zero. Inbox file size is unchanged.
5.	E-Mail account is compacted, so all e-mails in the inbox that have 
the change made in point four are deleted from the inbox and the inbox 
is compacted, reducing its size.


I had thought the indicator might have been X-Mozilla-Status because, in 
my inbox, an email showed the following difference when I marked it as 
un-read and then as read:-


Unread message  X-Mozilla-Status: 
read messageX-Mozilla-Status: 0001

but another message, which I had marked for deletion still had 
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, so I don't know which setting it is!!


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your 
explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder??


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Mike C]

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.



This where I loose it...copied?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the
Trash vise just being removed from display?  That doesn't make any
logical sense to me - true or not...


Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.



That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages
marked as deleted and still not displayed.  I don't see how it would
though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder.


Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from
view, but also remove them.


Which is what one would expect.


* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.



In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders
requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg.  I should think I'd see a
lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all.

I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is
what is really going on.


Here's were terminology is important:
When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old 
location.


When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the 
original location (it's moved).


The questions are:
1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying?
  Does the inbox need to be compacted?

2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying?
  Does the inbox need to be compacted?

3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying?
  I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting.









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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Mike C]

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice,
especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.

[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would
affect other folders.]

HTH

Jens



so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox
because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer
reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty.

If it doesn't work that way, it should!  That would be what one would
expect.



No, Rufus, as I understand it:-

1.an e-mail is received into the inbox, un-read. Inbox size is
increased.
2.the e-mail in the inbox is read (causing a change in e-mail
header). Inbox file size is unchanged.
3.the e-mail in the inbox is marked as Trash, causing change in
header, but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number increases by
one. Inbox file size is unchanged.
4.Trash is emptied, causing change in header, but stays in inbox
(invisible) and Trash number goes to zero. Inbox file size is unchanged.
5.*E-Mail account is compacted*, so all e-mails in the inbox that 
have
the change made in point four are deleted from the inbox and the inbox
is compacted, reducing its size.

I had thought the indicator might have been X-Mozilla-Status because, in
my inbox, an email showed the following difference when I marked it as
un-read and then as read:-

Unread messageX-Mozilla-Status: 
read messageX-Mozilla-Status: 0001

but another message, which I had marked for deletion still had
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, so I don't know which setting it is!!

IMHO, of course, and subject to correction, re-education.



You state above E-Mail account is compacted.
How do you do that?
I only know how to compact individual folders.
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Mike C wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.



This where I loose it...copied?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the
Trash vise just being removed from display?  That doesn't make any
logical sense to me - true or not...


Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.



That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages
marked as deleted and still not displayed.  I don't see how it would
though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder.


Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from
view, but also remove them.


Which is what one would expect.


* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.



In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders
requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg.  I should think I'd see a
lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all.

I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is
what is really going on.


Here's were terminology is important:
When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old
location.

When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the
original location (it's moved).

The questions are:
1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying?
   Does the inbox need to be compacted?

2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying?
   Does the inbox need to be compacted?

3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying?
   I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting.



Precisely.  I get the impression that an actual cut is *never* 
performed.  Nor is an actual delete.


And since I'm not seeing requests to Compact All Folders, how do I 
force/invoke that?  I can't find a menu item for it...


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote:

You state above E-Mail account is compacted.
How do you do that?
I only know how to compact individual folders.


I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all 
of your folders.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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On 12-07-24 11:15 AM, Mike C wrote:

The questions are:
1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying?


What you see: cutting.
How it is stored: copying.


   Does the inbox need to be compacted?


There answer to every Does fill in the blank folder need to be 
compacted? is yes. :)



2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying?


What you see: cutting.
How it is stored: copying.


   Does the inbox need to be compacted?


Items in the sent folder were never in the inbox, so no; but the sent 
folder would need to be compacted.



3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying?


Neither. (Where would you be copying/moving to?)
If you select a message in the trash and click delete, it gets removed 
from view, but still exists in the actual trash file. You still need to 
compact the folder.


If you use the 'empty trash' command, it will include an action to 
compact the trash folder.



Now you guys know why auto-compacting was switched on by default. :)

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your
explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder??


When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being 
moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to 
the trash folder.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-24 11:15 AM, Mike C wrote:

The questions are:
1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying?


What you see: cutting.
How it is stored: copying.


   Does the inbox need to be compacted?


There answer to every Does fill in the blank folder need to be
compacted? is yes. :)


2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying?


What you see: cutting.
How it is stored: copying.


   Does the inbox need to be compacted?


Items in the sent folder were never in the inbox, so no; but the sent
folder would need to be compacted.


3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying?


Neither. (Where would you be copying/moving to?)
If you select a message in the trash and click delete, it gets removed
from view, but still exists in the actual trash file. You still need to
compact the folder.

If you use the 'empty trash' command, it will include an action to
compact the trash folder.


Now you guys know why auto-compacting was switched on by default. :)



I'd be *really* happy if I had a user pref option to Compact All Folders 
on closing Mail, and/or SM (closing session) - like the way I can choose 
to Empty Trash on Exit with the Mac Mail client.


Mac Mail prefs and file management are two of the reasons I use Mac Mail 
as my primary e-mail client...if it had a newsreader built into it I 
probably wouldn't be using SM or T-bird, at this point.  Though  I do 
prefer SM Browser pref options over both Safari and FF.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[NoOp]

On 07/24/2012 05:47 PM, Rufus wrote:
 Chris Ilias wrote:
 On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote:
 You state above E-Mail account is compacted.
 How do you do that?
 I only know how to compact individual folders.

 I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all
 of your folders.

 
 I finally found that...I'd been looking under Tools and in 
 Preferences.  But I guess now I don't know how to Compact an individual 
 Folder...
 

Right click the folder  select 'Compact This Folder'.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your
explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder??


When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being
moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to
the trash folder.


Looks like I caught the disease, too. So far today, I've been prompted 
12 times to compact folders, and I've said yes every time, but it hasn't 
made a bit of difference. Half an hour later, it wants to compact again.


I haven't changed any settings; the only thing new this week is that I 
upgraded from v. 2.10.1 to 2.11.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

NoOp wrote:

On 07/24/2012 05:47 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote:

You state above E-Mail account is compacted.
How do you do that?
I only know how to compact individual folders.


I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all
of your folders.



I finally found that...I'd been looking under Tools and in
Preferences.  But I guess now I don't know how to Compact an individual
Folder...



Right click the folder  select 'Compact This Folder'.



Ahh...found it!

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

 »Q« wrote:

  Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
  occupies space within that file.  

 I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure...

The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body
text*) is within a single file;  that's a key in
understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I
mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;)

 but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be
 the case.

:)

 It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a
 surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure
 this way. Each message is an individual file.

That's a newer way of doing it.  There was work going on to add support
for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey),
and maybe that will continue.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:


»Q« wrote:



Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.



I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure...


The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body
text*) is within a single file;  that's a key in
understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I
mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;)


but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be
the case.


:)


It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a
surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure
this way. Each message is an individual file.


That's a newer way of doing it.  There was work going on to add support
for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey),
and maybe that will continue.



I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit 
Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data.  That 
would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Snip



Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.



I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on
completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders
requests.  In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one.

I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that
works with their own habit.



Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete 
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and 
removes them from your sight.


They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if 
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash 
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Jens Hatlak wrote:

 Daniel wrote:
 Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
 delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion
 and removes them from your sight.

 They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!
 
 Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
 it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
 command actually includes a Compact Folder call.

Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I 
believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from 
Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not 
addressing what happens in Trash.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.

Greetings,

Jens



When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn 
to our attention!!



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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Jens Hatlak]

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read 
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash 
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.


[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would 
affect other folders.]


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Snip



Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.



I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on
completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders
requests.  In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one.

I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that
works with their own habit.



Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!



No, I didn't know that...but I still don't see Compact notices.

...that sounds a bit counter-intuitive.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.

[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would
affect other folders.]

HTH

Jens



...so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox 
because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer 
reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty.


If it doesn't work that way, it should!  That would be what one would 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

 As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
 exactly.

Jens, since my crystal ball is out at the cleaners, I didn't know of any 
other way to read it.   :-)

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Jens Hatlak wrote:


Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion
and removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I
believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from
Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not
addressing what happens in Trash.


Jens used the singular Compact Folder -- if that was intentional, then 
only the Trash would be compacted. But if he meant to use the plural, 
Compact Folders would compact all folders in the account, including 
Inbox, and his comment would be relevant.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from 
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, 
not the inbox.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not 
actually move them out of my Inbox?


I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I 
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? 
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for 
action?


All I know is that I do what I do and I very rarely get Compact Folders 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message 
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will 
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.


Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from 
that folder that are marked as deleted.


Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from 
view, but also remove them.
* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems 
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if 
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

 Chris Ilias wrote:
  On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:
  Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
  delete the e-mails from your inbox,
 
  That part is right. :)
 
  it just marks them for deletion and
  removes them from your sight.
 
  That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
  your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
  folder, not the inbox.
 
 ...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not 
 actually move them out of my Inbox?

Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is
still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the same size
even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting the inbox gets
rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file.
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:


Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
folder, not the inbox.


...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?


Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is
still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the same size
even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting the inbox gets
rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file.



I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete - 
then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on my 
system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort than 
just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your inbox,


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.



This where I loose it...copied?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the 
Trash vise just being removed from display?  That doesn't make any 
logical sense to me - true or not...



Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.



That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages 
marked as deleted and still not displayed.  I don't see how it would 
though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder.



Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from
view, but also remove them.


Which is what one would expect.


* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.



In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders 
requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg.  I should think I'd see a 
lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all.


I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

 »Q« wrote:

  Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
  occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
  does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in
  the is still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the
  same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting
  the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size
  of the file.
 
 I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete
 - then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on
 my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort
 than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.

Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in
the folder, including their headers.  I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would
do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox.  If it's important to
you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:


»Q« wrote:



Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in
the is still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the
same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting
the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size
of the file.


I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete
- then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on
my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort
than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.


Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in
the folder, including their headers.  I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would
do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox.  If it's important to
you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas.



Zero length message, not zero length Inbox.  I'm assuming each message 
is it's own file/structure...but now that I look through my Profile 
structure that seems not to be the case.


It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, 
as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. 
Each message is an individual file.


Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't see Compact Folder(s) prompts 
from SM and I can only surmise that that has something to do with the 
way I manage my sessions.  I should expect to see a lot of them, and I 
barely see any at all.  Which is ok by me...


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

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Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.


This where I loose it...copied?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the
Trash vise just being removed from display?  That doesn't make any
logical sense to me - true or not...


Locally, SM/TB store all mails inside a folder (like Inbox) in one file. 
That file basically consists of the source of all messages ever copied 
to that folder, in order of receipt. That format is called mbox. Now if 
you say delete this message, the application just marks the message 
for deletion (which is fast, because the application knows which bytes 
to change on disk for that, and can use random access). If you do a 
normal delete, the message source is first copied to the Trash folder; 
if you do Shift+Delete, that step is skipped.


For single messages, the above approach may seem pointless. But for many 
messages (thousands), especially reading a folder is accelerated since 
only one file needs to be read, and as you might know, disk access is 
one of the most costly operations (time-wise) of a computer.


NB: Since SM 2.9, the adventurous can select a different mail storage 
format called Maildir which saves individual messages in separate files. 
I won't explain how to do that here since at least right now it's only 
for advanced users anyway (see the SM 2.9 changes page if you still want 
to know).



Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.


That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages
marked as deleted and still not displayed.


As I said, one folder = one file, so if you compact one folder, only 
that file is touched (and maybe its index file, *.msf).


HTH

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

flyguy wrote:

On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JC wrote:

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m
on an iMac using OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to
quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a
problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.
But, it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??
gt;
gt; Very frustrating!
gt;
gt; Thanks,
gt;
gt; Jim
gt;

Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at
your
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to
something quot;reasonablequot;.

I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as
you -
iMac running 10.6.8.

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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have
done the trick.  The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't
resolving it.



Hope that will work out for you.

I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like
500-750 MB seems a better choice.  Maybe I don't see requests because I
always mark my headers read at the end of each session?



20 Mb, golly gosh!!

I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in
Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage, I've got Disk
Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!!

Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1
MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!!


Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some
contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd
be compacting hourly.



Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Daniel wrote:

flyguy wrote:

On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JC wrote:

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m
on an iMac using OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to
quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a
problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.
But, it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??
gt;
gt; Very frustrating!
gt;
gt; Thanks,
gt;
gt; Jim
gt;

Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at
your
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to
something quot;reasonablequot;.

I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as
you -
iMac running 10.6.8.

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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have
done the trick.  The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't
resolving it.



Hope that will work out for you.

I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like
500-750 MB seems a better choice.  Maybe I don't see requests because I
always mark my headers read at the end of each session?



20 Mb, golly gosh!!

I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in
Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage, I've got Disk
Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!!

Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1
MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!!


Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some
contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd
be compacting hourly.



Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.



I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on 
completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders 
requests.  In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one.


I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that 
works with their own habit.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Rufus wrote:

JC wrote:

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m
on an iMac using OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to
quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a
problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.
But, it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??
gt;
gt; Very frustrating!
gt;
gt; Thanks,
gt;
gt; Jim
gt;

Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at
your
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to
something quot;reasonablequot;.

I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you -
iMac running 10.6.8.

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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have
done the trick.  The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't
resolving it.



Hope that will work out for you.

I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like
500-750 MB seems a better choice.  Maybe I don't see requests because I
always mark my headers read at the end of each session?



20 Mb, golly gosh!!

I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in 
Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage, I've got Disk 
Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!!


Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1 
MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!!



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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[flyguy]

On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JC wrote:

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m
on an iMac using OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to
quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a
problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.
But, it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??
gt;
gt; Very frustrating!
gt;
gt; Thanks,
gt;
gt; Jim
gt;

Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at
your
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to
something quot;reasonablequot;.

I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as
you -
iMac running 10.6.8.

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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have
done the trick.  The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't
resolving it.



Hope that will work out for you.

I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like
500-750 MB seems a better choice.  Maybe I don't see requests because I
always mark my headers read at the end of each session?



20 Mb, golly gosh!!

I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in
Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage, I've got Disk
Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!!

Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1
MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!!


Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some 
contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd 
be compacting hourly.



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Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[curland]

I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I'm on an iMac using OS 
10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to Compact my folders and I had read 
about this being a problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade 
to 2.11.  But, it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??

Very frustrating!

Thanks,

Jim
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:

I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I'm on an iMac using OS 10.6.8.  
I had this constant prompt to Compact my folders and I had read about this 
being a problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.  But, it is 
still happening.  Any help on this issue??

Very frustrating!

Thanks,

Jim



Check Preferences/MailNewsgroups/NetworkStorage and look at your 
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to 
something reasonable.


I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think 
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - 
iMac running 10.6.8.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[JC]

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:
 curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
 gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m on an 
 iMac using OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my 
 foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem.  I thought it was to 
 be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.  But, it is still happening.  Any help 
 on this issue??
 gt;
 gt; Very frustrating!
 gt;
 gt; Thanks,
 gt;
 gt; Jim
 gt;
 
 Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your 
 settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to 
 something quot;reasonablequot;.
 
 I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think 
 about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - 
 iMac running 10.6.8.
 
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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have done the 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

JC wrote:

On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote:

curl...@earthlink.net wrote:
gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11.  I#39;m on an iMac using 
OS 10.6.8.  I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read 
about this being a problem.  I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11.  But, 
it is still happening.  Any help on this issue??
gt;
gt; Very frustrating!
gt;
gt; Thanks,
gt;
gt; Jim
gt;

Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your
settings for Disk Space.  Either uncheck the option, or set it to
something quot;reasonablequot;.

I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think
about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you -
iMac running 10.6.8.

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Rufus,

Thanks for the email.  I just de-selected the option and that may have done the 
trick.  The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it.



Hope that will work out for you.

I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 
500-750 MB seems a better choice.  Maybe I don't see requests because I 
always mark my headers read at the end of each session?


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Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mike C]

Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
This just started.

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I eliminate it??
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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[WLS]

On 07/03/2012 12:46 PM, Mike C wrote:
 
 Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
 This just started.
 
 Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?
 
 How do I eliminate it??

I would click the Yes button, and compact my folders, to save disk
space, because it appears SeaMonkey is telling you that you are reaching
your limit.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mike C]

WLS wrote:

On 07/03/2012 12:46 PM, Mike C wrote:


Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
This just started.

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I eliminate it??


I would click the Yes button, and compact my folders, to save disk
space, because it appears SeaMonkey is telling you that you are reaching
your limit.


I don't think I'm anywhere near a limit.
There must be a box somewhere to uncheck.
I just can't find it.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[WLS]

On 07/03/2012 01:21 PM, Mike C wrote:
 WLS wrote:
 On 07/03/2012 12:46 PM, Mike C wrote:

 Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
 This just started.

 Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
 space?

 How do I eliminate it??

 I would click the Yes button, and compact my folders, to save disk
 space, because it appears SeaMonkey is telling you that you are reaching
 your limit.

 I don't think I'm anywhere near a limit.
 There must be a box somewhere to uncheck.
 I just can't find it.
 

If you are getting the notification after you have compacted, then you
have a problem. I would try compacting first.

No, check box that I see to stop the notification.

In my Linux version I have a check in my Compact folders when it will
save over XX MB setting, under Edit  Preferences  Mail and Newsgroups
 Network and Storage. My setting being 20 MB.

Maybe if you deselect that setting, or raise the limit, the warning will
go away.

Good Luck!

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Hartmut Figge]

Mike C:

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I eliminate it??

Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
[x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mike C]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Mike C:


Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I eliminate it??


Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
[x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

Hartmut


Thanks, That's what I was looking for.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[WLS]

On 07/03/2012 02:12 PM, Mike C wrote:
 Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Mike C:

 Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
 space?

 How do I eliminate it??

 Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
 [x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

 But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

 Hartmut

 Thanks, That's what I was looking for.
 

So you aren't anywhere near the limit, but want to increase the limit,
or disable the limit.

Good luck when your folders get corrupted.

We do hope you compact folders manually on occasion.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders
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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mike C]

WLS wrote:

On 07/03/2012 02:12 PM, Mike C wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Mike C:


Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
space?

How do I eliminate it??


Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
[x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

Hartmut


Thanks, That's what I was looking for.



So you aren't anywhere near the limit, but want to increase the limit,
or disable the limit.

Good luck when your folders get corrupted.

We do hope you compact folders manually on occasion.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders

I had just compacting all folders and right after doing it the Do you 
wish to compact all local and offline folders? started popping up.


I've been using SM mail for 10 or 12 years now and never saw that pop up 
before.


I do compact manually from time to time.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[WLS]

On 07/03/2012 03:03 PM, Mike C wrote:
 WLS wrote:
 On 07/03/2012 02:12 PM, Mike C wrote:
 Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Mike C:

 Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
 space?

 How do I eliminate it??

 Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
 [x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

 But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

 Hartmut

 Thanks, That's what I was looking for.


 So you aren't anywhere near the limit, but want to increase the limit,
 or disable the limit.

 Good luck when your folders get corrupted.

 We do hope you compact folders manually on occasion.

 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders

 I had just compacting all folders and right after doing it the Do you
 wish to compact all local and offline folders? started popping up.
 
 I've been using SM mail for 10 or 12 years now and never saw that pop up
 before.
 
 I do compact manually from time to time.
 

Nice to hear that you occasionally compact manually.

Apologies, I thought you said you received the notification every time
after you deleted a message.

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Ed Mullen]

Mike C wrote:

WLS wrote:

On 07/03/2012 02:12 PM, Mike C wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Mike C:


Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
space?

How do I eliminate it??


Uncheck Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network  Storage-Disk Space
[x] Compact folders when it will save over [] MB

But it would be better to set  to a convenient value.

Hartmut


Thanks, That's what I was looking for.



So you aren't anywhere near the limit, but want to increase the limit,
or disable the limit.

Good luck when your folders get corrupted.

We do hope you compact folders manually on occasion.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders


I had just compacting all folders and right after doing it the Do you
wish to compact all local and offline folders? started popping up.

I've been using SM mail for 10 or 12 years now and never saw that pop up
before.

I do compact manually from time to time.



So, adjust the level/threshold for compaction as someone else suggested 
already.


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help with compact folders, coupons.com, seamonkey 2.10

[Charles Siracuse]

i am running Seamonkey 2.9.1.  Can 2.10 be safely installed?

How do I stop compact folders from appearing after deleting a 
few e-mails?


has anyone gotten coupons.com to work?

ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!


Thanks,

fung1
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Re: help with compact folders, coupons.com, seamonkey 2.10

[Jens Hatlak]

Charles Siracuse wrote:

i am running Seamonkey 2.9.1.  Can 2.10 be safely installed?


2.10 is only beta quality right now. It can contain bugs that will be 
fixed until the final 2.10 is released - and in fact at least one bug 
(concerning bookmarks drag  drop AFAIR) is known which is in the latest 
2.10 Beta 2 and which will only be fixed in 2.10 Beta 3.


To sum it up, you can safely install a beta version, but be prepared to 
face some issues.



How do I stop compact folders from appearing after deleting a
few e-mails?


There's a checkbox under Preferences/Mail  Newsgroups/Network  
Storage/Disk Space. Use it to disable automatic compacting altogether. 
Alternatively, increase the threshold (same line).


HTH

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Re: help with compact folders, coupons.com, seamonkey 2.10

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Interviewed by CNN on 28/05/2012 13:09, Charles Siracuse told the world:
  i am running Seamonkey 2.9.1.  Can 2.10 be safely installed?

No. It's beta, by definition beta software is not ready. You want
safety, OR you want pre-release versions. Don't ever count on having both.

With that said, Mozilla software rarely achieves the beta stage with
serious dataloss bugs. So it's not THAT risky.

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Seamonkey 2.9.1 Keeps Asking Me to Compact Messages

[David Goldfield]

Hi.  This prompt occurs when I first open SM and attempt to delete an 
email message.  Once I click cancel I can delete messages with no 
further prompts until I reopen SM.  My inbox is not very large, only 
around 300 messages or so and I compact regularly.  Under storage my 
setting is at 10 MB.  Does anyone know why this is happening?

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Re: Seamonkey 2.9.1 Keeps Asking Me to Compact Messages

[Ray Davison]

David Goldfield wrote:

Hi.  This prompt occurs when I first open SM and attempt to delete an
email message.  Once I click cancel I can delete messages with no
further prompts until I reopen SM.  My inbox is not very large, only
around 300 messages or so and I compact regularly.  Under storage my
setting is at 10 MB.  Does anyone know why this is happening?


If you don't like the nag try changing:
Browser  Prefs  Mail  News  Network  storage  Disk space  Compact

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Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders

[Mike C]

I just started getting the following every time I open mail:

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I stop it?
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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mike C wrote:


I just started getting the following every time I open mail:

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk
space?

How do I stop it?


Say Yes. ;-)

You can also tweak the frequency here:

Edit | Preferences | Mail  Newsgroups | Networking  Storage
[x] Compact folders when it will save over 00 MB

(default is 20)

Or you can turn it off entirely by unchecking the box (not recommended).

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Mike C wrote:

I just started getting the following every time I open mail:

Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?

How do I stop it?


Compact the folders.  file  compact folders
If that doesn't clear it up then compact the folders individually:
For each folder - right click on the folder and compact this folder.
Starting with your INBOX. If you have nested folders then compact the
main folder and each of the nested folders.
If that isn't enough, then:
For each folder - right click on the folder choose properties and then repair 
folder. Then compress the folder.

After that - I'm all out of ideas.
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Compact Folders Popup

[Larry S.]

SM 2.7.2. Suddenly the last few days, every time I delete a Mail 
message, I get a popup asking if I want to compact folders. Happens even 
when I've very recently compacted them.


What's going on here? How do I get rid of it?

Help will be greatly appreciated.

Larry
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Re: Compact Folders Popup

[Larry S.]

Daniel wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

SM 2.7.2. Suddenly the last few days, every time I delete a Mail
message, I get a popup asking if I want to compact folders. Happens even
when I've very recently compacted them.

What's going on here? How do I get rid of it?

Help will be greatly appreciated.

Larry


Larry, have a look at Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Network 
Storage. At the bottom of that screen, Disk Space.

I've got mine set to 1MB!

HTH
No joy there. Mine is set at 20mb (default at installation?). Thank you 
for the thought, though, as I'd forgotten about that setting.

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Is there any way to compact offline newsgroups (reduce the size of the mbox file)?

[P.]

Hello.

I have installed SeaMonkey v2.0.13 but I cannot find a way to expire
articles (physically reduce the size
of the mbox file in which newsgroups messages are stored) in offline
newsgroups.

Using the Retention option does remove articles from view but the
mbox file remains untouched
(and steadily growing in size).


Thanks.
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Re: compact folder

[Ray_Net]

Daniel Barclay wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Beverly Howard wrote:

 if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way
to recover an old message 

...

These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text
editor.

...


you can then search the file contents for something in the message or
header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere.

If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the
message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text
file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview

Hope that this information is of value.


Yes ... but not an easy way :-)


Remember that the easy way (once you know how to edit the file without
making any unintentional changes) is to find the X-Mozilla-Status: 
line for the appropriate message and change the fourth digit of the
hexadecimal status code
from '8' to '0',
from '9' to '1',
from 'a' to '2',
from 'b' to '3',
from 'c' to '4',
from 'd' to '5',
from 'e' to '6', or
from 'f' to '7'.

Daniel




Do you mean that i must change d8af to 5027 ?
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