Re: Email Replies Backwards
On 2/19/2010 1:10 PM, Kurt previously said: Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. Exactly why I wanted to know how to change. Most people getting my emails are using Outlook. Thanks for the help. No boos and hisses so far. Kurt Maybe there should be a setting that overrides the default in the individual addresses of the address book, choosing whether to top-post or bottom-post. It could be similar to the settings for Prefers to receive messages formatted as: Unknown/Plain Text/HTML or Allow remote images in HTML mail. -- _T o m_ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Tom Stoudt wrote: On 2/19/2010 1:10 PM, Kurt previously said: Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. Exactly why I wanted to know how to change. Most people getting my emails are using Outlook. Thanks for the help. No boos and hisses so far. Kurt Maybe there should be a setting that overrides the default in the individual addresses of the address book, choosing whether to top-post or bottom-post. It could be similar to the settings for Prefers to receive messages formatted as: Unknown/Plain Text/HTML or Allow remote images in HTML mail. That's one of the reasons I use multiple mail clients...only on the news groups do people seem to prefer bottom posts - just about everyone that I e-mail (Outlook users or not) prefer to top post in open e-mails. Including a site support guy I just spent a weekend cluing in about bad browser sniffing on his site... ...I've taken to setting bottom signatures in my primary e-mail client, but amongst my contacts I seem to be the ONLY one doing that, and I always end up having to move my sig on reply...so I may just quit that and top set it. If I could select - place signature to follow threading - now THAT would be a winner... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Interviewed by CNN on 19/2/2010 01:50, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. People are used to do the things one way and get confused with any other way. Many people, particularly in the corporate world, are used to looking at e-mail like it is just a newfangled version of paper letters. So they expect to see a full letter and refer to separate documents as necessary -- previous letter being an attachment for convenience only. Personally, I think top-posting is a silly anachronism, in that it keeps imposing the restrictions of old, non-editable media on new tech. But some business people argue that bottom-posting with interspersed comments blurs the distinction between the original message and the response, and takes the original message quotes out of context. My guess is that your client doesn't really grok how the quote marks work, and so kept having to reference his original message to you in the sent messages folder, like if you hadn't quoted his message at all. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #179: multicasts on broken packets *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. Exactly why I wanted to know how to change. Most people getting my emails are using Outlook. Thanks for the help. No boos and hisses so far. Kurt ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. I've been on mailing lists or groups or whatever you want to call them for nearly 20 years now and have found some like this one that request bottom posting as well as others that request top posting and have run into times especially when the sender gives a list of numbered questions that doing like Paul suggested works best so your answering line item questions with line item answers. But what irritates me the most is when a list/group imposes a dictatorship to the point of threatening to ban someone that occasionally screws up and posts in a manner not according to their demands. I guess it just the freethinking spirit of the internet that makes me feel this way. Personally I like the top posting because if you've been following the thread it is easier to read the subject of an email then read that persons response to that subject and go on to the next posting. If you haven't been following the thread then you can read the original posting below the answer if the list/group hasn't also demanded that all posts be trimmed of all but the answer to the original posting and if you don't then the moderators do it and add a nasty little reminder about it to your post, sort of mail tampering. -- Big Bill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
MCBastos wrote: My guess is that your client doesn't really grok how the quote marks work, and so kept having to reference his original message to you in the sent messages folder, like if you hadn't quoted his message at all. Yeh, that's how I took it, too. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. You've missed the point entirely if you think this is about my rigid guidelines as to what is prim and proper. Read again my last paragraph: It bleeping blew me away. *I thought I was doing him a favor* by putting each answer with the corresponding question. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
William Morrison wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. I've been on mailing lists or groups or whatever you want to call them for nearly 20 years now and have found some like this one that request bottom posting as well as others that request top posting and have run into times especially when the sender gives a list of numbered questions that doing like Paul suggested works best so your answering line item questions with line item answers. But what irritates me the most is when a list/group imposes a dictatorship to the point of threatening to ban someone that occasionally screws up and posts in a manner not according to their demands. I guess it just the freethinking spirit of the internet that makes me feel this way. Personally I like the top posting because if you've been following the thread it is easier to read the subject of an email then read that persons response to that subject and go on to the next posting. If you haven't been following the thread then you can read the original posting below the answer if the list/group hasn't also demanded that all posts be trimmed of all but the answer to the original posting and if you don't then the moderators do it and add a nasty little reminder about it to your post, sort of mail tampering. You have no arguments with me. Most guidelines as far as posting were started back during Bulletin Board days simply because some people started that way and it go etched in stone, then its difficult those people understand not everyone thinks that way. I use to tilt at windmills her trying explain the logic of using top Posting. But I decided it was a waste of effort and a lost cause. Because every time I tried to win anyone over, I was all but tarred and feathered. Other things in my life have become more important to me. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. You've missed the point entirely if you think this is about my rigid guidelines as to what is prim and proper. Read again my last paragraph: I wasn't necessarily you. I was referring to this newsgroup. It bleeping blew me away. *I thought I was doing him a favor* by putting each answer with the corresponding question. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. - And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. Oh, the customer's always right, even when he's not, eh? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. Oh, the customer's always right, even when he's not, eh? Right! The customer is always right whether or not he/she really is if you want to get paid. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Email Replies Backwards
When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Select the Account, select - View Setting for this Account, and then select Composition Addressing and change your preff to start my reply before quote. Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. You can choose to sort the Message display any way you wish, in ascending or descending order by clicking on the Date column header. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I want go into it further. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I want go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. I also forgot to add there is a sort-order button- just click on where it says date and Sea Monkey will sort either up or down. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
