Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. With low tech users, the best way to address it is to suggest they reboot daily and keep seamonkey open rather than close it after each use. If the user is familiar with task manager, after seamonkey has been closed for a couple of minutes, task manager can be used to end process on all the remaining instances of seamonkey. Or the bug that causes SM process to live forever after being told to QUIT might be fixed. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Beverly Howard wrote: Fascinating. Just out of curiosity, are we talking about a machine that runs that Quick Launch TSR (I don't)? Nope... have never used that option... (machines nowadays don't need it ;-) In my case, when SM fails to terminate (which it does from time to time), I can see it in the Task Manager but nowhere else and can't interact with it, but unlike your experience, its presence /does/ prevent another instance from launching. Very interesting... have never observed that behavior... good information. My primary computer that ends up with the multiple processes uses a core2 processor, so, that might be a factor, but, since I frequently dig into preferences and mail settings to answer questions and educate myself, my primary suspicions are there... i.e. something starts a sm process thread that escapes seamonkey's normal shutdown sequence. Thanks for the details... helpful. Beverly Howard I think I have observed that if SM gets beyond a certain point (opens the GUI) then it will not allow another instance. However, if something prevents SM from getting the GUI open, then you can re-launch and get multiple instances. - RM ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. FWIW, it's not known to me -- if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance -- the system simply won't do it. Sure, I can open more than one browser window or tab, but that's not what you're talking about. I concur with you, Paul, that the OP is talking about his girlfriend clicking to have several/many Browser windows open, rather than having multiple tabs open in one Browser. Where as, as I read Beverly's response, he is thinking the OP is getting a hidden instance of SM in the Task list. Daniel Guys, Running SM 2.0.8 here and thought I had seen the end of this problem , BUT it has returned: under some-circumstances (e.g. just ran CCLeaner) I will not get SM GUI BUT I taskmgr shows seamonkey.exe ! I can then launch ANOTHER seamonkey.exe. Only solution I've found is to kill the processes AND reboot from power-off condition -- and even then I have to wait quite a while before SM launches its GUI. I suspect there is some resource used by SM that is also used by Adobe AIR or some other memory resident process. - RM That's interesting since I also ran the latest version of CCleaner a few day's ago and if Task Manager certainly shows n instances of SM running. Dick O.K., so it looks like I was wrong in my interpretation!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Fascinating. Just out of curiosity, are we talking about a machine that runs that Quick Launch TSR (I don't)? Nope... have never used that option... (machines nowadays don't need it ;-) In my case, when SM fails to terminate (which it does from time to time), I can see it in the Task Manager but nowhere else and can't interact with it, but unlike your experience, its presence /does/ prevent another instance from launching. Very interesting... have never observed that behavior... good information. My primary computer that ends up with the multiple processes uses a core2 processor, so, that might be a factor, but, since I frequently dig into preferences and mail settings to answer questions and educate myself, my primary suspicions are there... i.e. something starts a sm process thread that escapes seamonkey's normal shutdown sequence. Thanks for the details... helpful. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. FWIW, it's not known to me -- if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance -- the system simply won't do it. Sure, I can open more than one browser window or tab, but that's not what you're talking about. I concur with you, Paul, that the OP is talking about his girlfriend clicking to have several/many Browser windows open, rather than having multiple tabs open in one Browser. Where as, as I read Beverly's response, he is thinking the OP is getting a hidden instance of SM in the Task list. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. FWIW, it's not known to me -- if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance -- the system simply won't do it. Sure, I can open more than one browser window or tab, but that's not what you're talking about. I concur with you, Paul, that the OP is talking about his girlfriend clicking to have several/many Browser windows open, rather than having multiple tabs open in one Browser. Where as, as I read Beverly's response, he is thinking the OP is getting a hidden instance of SM in the Task list. Daniel Guys, Running SM 2.0.8 here and thought I had seen the end of this problem , BUT it has returned: under some-circumstances (e.g. just ran CCLeaner) I will not get SM GUI BUT I taskmgr shows seamonkey.exe ! I can then launch ANOTHER seamonkey.exe. Only solution I've found is to kill the processes AND reboot from power-off condition -- and even then I have to wait quite a while before SM launches its GUI. I suspect there is some resource used by SM that is also used by Adobe AIR or some other memory resident process. - RM ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Rick Merrill wrote: Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. FWIW, it's not known to me -- if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance -- the system simply won't do it. Sure, I can open more than one browser window or tab, but that's not what you're talking about. I concur with you, Paul, that the OP is talking about his girlfriend clicking to have several/many Browser windows open, rather than having multiple tabs open in one Browser. Where as, as I read Beverly's response, he is thinking the OP is getting a hidden instance of SM in the Task list. Daniel Guys, Running SM 2.0.8 here and thought I had seen the end of this problem , BUT it has returned: under some-circumstances (e.g. just ran CCLeaner) I will not get SM GUI BUT I taskmgr shows seamonkey.exe ! I can then launch ANOTHER seamonkey.exe. Only solution I've found is to kill the processes AND reboot from power-off condition -- and even then I have to wait quite a while before SM launches its GUI. I suspect there is some resource used by SM that is also used by Adobe AIR or some other memory resident process. - RM That's interesting since I also ran the latest version of CCleaner a few day's ago and if Task Manager certainly shows n instances of SM running. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
multiple Seamonkey task manager processes fwiw, over the years I've become practiced at checking task manager looking for multiple instances of seamonkey running, so, nowadays it's rare to find more than two running at the same time, but, in the past I have found as many as eight seamonkey processes in task manager with only one instance of seamonkey visible on the desktop or task bar. it's not known to me I understand not having experienced this since, at this location I have four boxes, all running XPPro which are regularly running seamonkey and this behavior is observed on only one of the machines. That said, I have looked at task manager on many machines at other location and found the same thing not to mention the many posts here asking about the same symptoms. It _appears_ to be related to some action being taken within the email/newsreader client or the mail and newsgroups settings, but I have been unable to manually recreate the problem. It is also noteworthy that this is currently happening on my primary computer and for years, I observed the same behavior on the box it replaced. if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance Note the details I have posted on this behavior... this does not happen when seamonkey is running, nor do I use a shortcut to switch to existing sessions of seamonkey visible on the task bar, it happens when a normal _exit_ of seamonkey does not completely shut down and leaves seamonkey visible in task manager long after it is exited. In that case, the next time seamonkey is launched, that launch does not detect the residual process that is visible in task manager and a second task manager process, with a new pid, is launched. From my observations, once that second seamonkey process exists, every shutdown of seamonkey that follows leads to another instance of seamonkey in task manager. The only reason I reboot nowadays... While not as radical as your intervals, I generally reboot every two to three weeks and use the computer as a central part of my business and life, so, I agree, this is a factor. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey task manager processes fwiw, over the years I've become practiced at checking task manager looking for multiple instances of seamonkey running, so, nowadays it's rare to find more than two running at the same time, but, in the past I have found as many as eight seamonkey processes in task manager with only one instance of seamonkey visible on the desktop or task bar. it's not known to me I understand not having experienced this since, at this location I have four boxes, all running XPPro which are regularly running seamonkey and this behavior is observed on only one of the machines. That said, I have looked at task manager on many machines at other location and found the same thing not to mention the many posts here asking about the same symptoms. It _appears_ to be related to some action being taken within the email/newsreader client or the mail and newsgroups settings, but I have been unable to manually recreate the problem. It is also noteworthy that this is currently happening on my primary computer and for years, I observed the same behavior on the box it replaced. Fascinating. Just out of curiosity, are we talking about a machine that runs that Quick Launch TSR (I don't)? if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance Note the details I have posted on this behavior... this does not happen when seamonkey is running, nor do I use a shortcut to switch to existing sessions of seamonkey visible on the task bar, it happens when a normal _exit_ of seamonkey does not completely shut down and leaves seamonkey visible in task manager long after it is exited. In that case, the next time seamonkey is launched, that launch does not detect the residual process that is visible in task manager and a second task manager process, with a new pid, is launched. In my case, when SM fails to terminate (which it does from time to time), I can see it in the Task Manager but nowhere else and can't interact with it, but unlike your experience, its presence /does/ prevent another instance from launching. From my observations, once that second seamonkey process exists, every shutdown of seamonkey that follows leads to another instance of seamonkey in task manager. The only reason I reboot nowadays... While not as radical as your intervals, I generally reboot every two to three weeks and use the computer as a central part of my business and life, so, I agree, this is a factor. I also use the computer as a central part of my business, and with all the software I have installed, the reboot interval is often shorter than two weeks due to updates. Just today, my Internet security software alerted that it couldn't complete an update without a reboot, so I performed saves and safe shutdowns of all my running applications and allowed it to reboot. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? Richard Lane rql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? Richard Lanerql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick I don't mean to be ugly, but it seems to me, you just need to show her how to use SM. Was she using a separate browser and mail/news reader before? Maybe she doesn't realize switching between these uses in a suite doesn't close the application? Plus, if she gets impatient because of a slow connection from her ISP, and keeps hitting the icon or a link, several windows will open. I know of no way to limit the program from responding to the user's actions in this way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestions. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. With low tech users, the best way to address it is to suggest they reboot daily and keep seamonkey open rather than close it after each use. If the user is familiar with task manager, after seamonkey has been closed for a couple of minutes, task manager can be used to end process on all the remaining instances of seamonkey. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. LOL... I obviously should have waited longer for someone to answer this one. I had never read about it. Glad you responded. With low tech users, the best way to address it is to suggest they reboot daily and keep seamonkey open rather than close it after each use. If the user is familiar with task manager, after seamonkey has been closed for a couple of minutes, task manager can be used to end process on all the remaining instances of seamonkey. Beverly Howard If she's getting 12 openings from a bug in that version, I would be aggravated enough to upgrade to 2.0, and put that behind me. Of course, she might get new quirks. ;) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? Richard Lane rql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick u...@domain.invalid (whoever THAT is) wrote: Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? This post question WAS addressed to newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey as well as the support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org list, so I don‘t understand what you‘re asking, invalid user... keith whaley Richard Lane rql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
Beverly Howard wrote: multiple Seamonkey instances This is a known SM bug that cannot be reliably duplicated and has been an issue for years. FWIW, it's not known to me -- if SM is running, I /cannot/ launch a second instance -- the system simply won't do it. Sure, I can open more than one browser window or tab, but that's not what you're talking about. The experience I describe applied equally when I was running SM 1 and Mozilla before it. With low tech users, the best way to address it is to suggest they reboot daily and keep seamonkey open rather than close it after each use. I do remember in the olden days of Windows 3.1 that we used to have memory leaks that could be solved (temporarily) by rebooting frequently, but that went away (almost entirely) with Windows 2000, and I often run WinXP for weeks at a time without rebooting and without trouble. The only reason I reboot nowadays is when a software or OS update requires it in order to update the registry. Is the OP running such an antiquated OS that this advice applies? If the user is familiar with task manager, after seamonkey has been closed for a couple of minutes, task manager can be used to end process on all the remaining instances of seamonkey. In my experience, if there's a stuck instance of SM that won't close, I can't launch a second instance until I force the first one to close. I still don't know how the OP's friend can launch more than one instance. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
