Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-12 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login
page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on
Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list
are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you
folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on
the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to
cite:


Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while
mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to
google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article.


Welcome. No, I never get a login, automatic or otherwise. The page just
comes up. Perhaps you're blocking a cookie it wants to set?

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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-12 Thread PhillipJones

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate
message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.





Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite:

Chris Ilias
View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

  That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it,
  it gone be daxxxed.

Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past,
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla,
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post
will be removed.



I was not privy to that comment public or private.

Fine if he wants to play it that way.

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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-12 Thread PhillipJones

NoOp wrote:

On 08/11/2011 08:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.




Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite:

Chris Ilias 
View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it,
it gone be daxxxed.

Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past,
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla,
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post
will be removed.



And the full thread is here:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/25595



I reread all my Comments. Didn't see any That justified removal.

But, If they wants to play it that way. So be it.  looks like a clear 
cut case of not allowing free speech. I based all my comments on my 
personal experiences.


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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-12 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login
page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on
Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list
are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you
folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on
the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to
cite:


Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while
mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to
google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article.


Welcome. No, I never get a login, automatic or otherwise. The page just
comes up. Perhaps you're blocking a cookie it wants to set?


Oh wonderfull :-(
How do I check? Under Preferences  privacy  cookies , I accept all
cookies.
But perhaps it's not a cookie setting.
It's flounder, flounder, and flail in the dark maze of options?

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Ps. Perhaps master Ilias can offer some concrete debug assistance. :-)
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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-12 Thread Chris Ilias

On 11-08-12 12:06 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.


Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJones' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?


Yes, I removed it from the Mozilla news server, because of Phillip's 
misinformation like Firefox running itself into the ground, and Mozilla 
demanding the SeaMonkey council what to do.


Justin, Robert, and everyone else shouldn't have to waste their time 
constantly correcting Phillip. It takes focus and energy away from 
SeaMonkey support.



The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite:


Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while
mine goes to login page? Curious.
Do you get an automatic logon to google groups?
Oh and thanks for the copy of the article.


If I open a new browser profile having not logged into any sites 
including google, the URL takes me to the post. So I think perhaps you 
were already logged in to a Google account for another service (like 
Gmail) and Google wanted to know if you want to use that account in 
Groups. That's my guess. It's a Google issue.



Chris Ilias
View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

 That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it,
 it gone be daxxxed.

Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past,
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla,
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post
will be removed.


I thought that master Ilias was pointing me to a copy of PhillipJones'
missing article. The part of MR. Jones' post quoted in Mr. Calleks'
posting wasn't at all unduly critical of Mozilla and SeaMonkey, and
not even mentioning master Ilias
Does master Ilias have a grudge feud with Jones, and is playing tin
god ? and does he do this with the authority and approval of the
SeaMonkey council or on his own whim?


See http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/cancellation.html and 
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/msg/bac6c88e0dae1fe6
(Sorry, I couldn't find the message on a different archive, but try 
visiting that URL in a different profile)


This discussion itself is OT. If you'd like to reply to this message, 
please email me with a valid return address, thanks. Replies to this 
message posted in the newsgroup will be removed.


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Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world:


...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team
because
someone posed a question - and not even that particular product,
it's an
*example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*?


...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO
have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely
new product*?


It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ...

I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators
snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp.
But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant
herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with
the broom and pooper scooper brigade.


Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and
following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to
Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace
and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla
demands you do.



Not going to happen, sorry.

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by 
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ...  ...

pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?

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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread Chris Ilias

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See 
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.


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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.



Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?
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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread PhillipJones

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.




Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


Because Chris is Chris. nough said.

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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.




Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite:

Chris Ilias 
View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

 That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it,
 it gone be daxxxed.

Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past,
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla,
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post
will be removed.

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Newsgroup moderator

[end quote]

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Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-11 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by
PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ...
pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at
Mozilla News.
It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate
message
in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message.
Now it don't do it no more.
Help!

How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now?
What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean?


I removed it. See
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3.





Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJones' article
from the Mozilla News server?
If so, Why?

The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page.

All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or
the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM
to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that
(even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)?


I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite:


Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while
mine goes to login page? Curious.
Do you get an automatic logon to google groups?
Oh and thanks for the copy of the article.



Chris Ilias
View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

  That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it,
  it gone be daxxxed.

Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past,
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla,
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post
will be removed.


I thought that master Ilias was pointing me to a copy of PhillipJones'
missing article. The part of MR. Jones' post quoted in Mr. Calleks'
posting wasn't at all unduly critical of Mozilla and SeaMonkey, and
not even mentioning master Ilias
Does master Ilias have a grudge feud with Jones, and is playing tin
god ? and does he do this with the authority and approval of the
SeaMonkey council or on his own whim?
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