Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-09-01, Slugracing wrote:


Slugracing wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly
from SM website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I
always do and have at this point in time an improvement in ram
usage, down around 40%.

Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks



Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period
of a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.

Pity I was hoping for a fix.


Hi,

Thanks for testing! Would you say it behaves mostly in the same way or
does it take noticeably longer to show these issues?



Honestly ball park the same give or take.
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-09-01, Slugracing wrote:

> Slugracing wrote:
>> Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:
>>>
 Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:
>>> [...]
>> I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
>> another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
>> control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
>> and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
>> this its slow as a wet week.
>>
>> None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
>> ram for the same sites open.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Are you using the binaries from
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
> it a distribution-compiled version?


 Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
 seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes
>>>
>>> Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
>>> whether this happens with both packages or not.
>>>
>>
>> Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly
>> from SM website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I
>> always do and have at this point in time an improvement in ram
>> usage, down around 40%.
>>
>> Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period
> of a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.
>
> Pity I was hoping for a fix.

Hi,

Thanks for testing! Would you say it behaves mostly in the same way or
does it take noticeably longer to show these issues?

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/1/20 12:40 AM, Slugracing wrote:

Slugracing wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and 
because of

this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as 
much

ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 
or is

it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to 
know

whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly from 
SM website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I always do 
and have at this point in time an improvement in ram usage, down 
around 40%.


Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks



Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period 
of a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.


Pity I was hoping for a fix.




Doing any cryptomining?






hahah No Im not
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[WaltS48]

On 9/1/20 12:40 AM, Slugracing wrote:

Slugracing wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 
or is

it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly from 
SM website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I always do 
and have at this point in time an improvement in ram usage, down 
around 40%.


Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks



Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period of 
a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.


Pity I was hoping for a fix.




Doing any cryptomining?



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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

Slugracing wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 
or is

it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly from SM 
website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I always do and 
have at this point in time an improvement in ram usage, down around 40%.


Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks



Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period of 
a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.


Pity I was hoping for a fix.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly from SM 
website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I always do and 
have at this point in time an improvement in ram usage, down around 40%.


Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:

> Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:
[...]
>>> I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
>>> another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
>>> control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
>>> and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
>>> this its slow as a wet week.
>>>
>>> None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
>>> ram for the same sites open.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
>> it a distribution-compiled version?
>
>
> Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
> seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes

Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to know
whether this happens with both packages or not.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ray_Net]

meagain wrote on 18-08-20 16:37:

 Original Message 

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then 
Netscape Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by 
the quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully 
function on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can 
do all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do 
all this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like 
a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open 
in Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted 
adopting the most current offering from the Macrofirms of the 
digital world, but it has become too burdensome to continue being a 
browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem 
with SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not 
work using SM.



Zoom works great with SM 2.53.3 for me (no add ons no ext).


Perhaps you downloaded the proposed executable .exe file and run it.
My way of using zoom is to refuse, but ask the download and at a certain 
moment zoom propose me to work inside the brower.
To see if you can use/open your microphone and camera, could you try 
https://meet.jit.si/RAY-MEETING
When I try this I have in the bottom of the screen this text: "Audio and 
video error: navigator mediaDevices is undefined"
If this is the same ... we have the same problem and you use zoom 
directly by running their program.
Note for Frank-Rainer Grahl who want to  hand me a tissue :-) : I am not 
complaining, it's just to understand why mister "meagain" can use zoom.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey]

Edward wrote:

Fedora 32, x86_64: seamonkey-2.53.3-3.fc32.x86_64

PID USER  PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ 
COMMAND
4766 edward   20   0 3463452 625444 174552 S   2.7  16.6   7:08.80 
seamonk+


The above is from 'top' as of right now. As I am not on YouTube right 
now and Swap isn't being used, there is /currently/ no slowdown in 
performance.


YouTube also has music. Some individual tracks from albums will also 
display a static video, it's usually the album cover for the duration of 
the track.


Ok that's good info, but you need to show the initial state, and then 
the state after xxx minutes showing the problem.


It sounds like a 'youtube' issue, as opposed to a SeaMonkey issue. You 
need to do the same test with some media that is not on youtube, e.g. 
put it on your own web server. The videos that just show an album cover 
are not music, they are videos, but with just one frame repeated, I'm 
not sure if it plays the same frame thousands of times, or if it somehow 
knows there's only one frame and freezes it, but either way, it's still 
a video.


If you can show that playing a music file in SeaMonkey, that is not on 
youtube, is using progressively more memory as it plays, then that would 
be a serious problem in SeaMonkey. Do you know which libraries SeaMokey 
uses behind the scenes to play media files?


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in
private?


He is telling you he has an issue, just like most of us do. Flipping
him off like that is child like.

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from 
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes



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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-19, Ray_Net wrote:

> meagain wrote on 18-08-20 16:37:
>>  Original Message 
>>> EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:
 Lance Courtland wrote:
> It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web
> browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then
> Netscape Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed
> by the quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs,
> and kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully
> function on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.
>
> Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a
> burden. SM seems to have been brought down by the difference
> between "you can do all this to make it work however you want"
> and "you have to do all this to make it work at all."
>
> I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of
> developers have put in to keep SM alive.
>
> I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I
> like a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM
> Email open in Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always
> resisted adopting the most current offering from the Macrofirms
> of the digital world, but it has become too burdensome to
> continue being a browser salmon.
>
> Parting is such sweet sorrow.
>
> Lance

 Why use Chrome? 
>>> Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem
>>> with SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did
>>> not work using SM.
>>>
>> Zoom works great with SM 2.53.3 for me (no add ons no ext).
>>
> This is my User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0)
> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3
> and zoom, nor other online-meeting are working. Perhaps is because you
> use the 64 version ? I have installed the 32 bits)

meagain's User-Agent string in the newsgroup post seems to be identical
to yours, so it looks like [1] you're both using 32-bit builds.

[1] Unless there is any User-Agent spoofing, or a different SeaMonkey
version is being used to participate in this group/list.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-18, Edward wrote:

> Nuno Silva wrote:
>
>> Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
>> it a distribution-compiled version?
>>
>> If it is a distribution version, can you please see if the same happens
>> with the binaries from the project website?
>
> I have noticed increased memory usage with SeaMonkey, using the
> Fedora-supplied package, when listening to music either through
> YouTube or a web site, after it's been running for a while.

Can you reproduce this easily and consistently? Does it happen with all
videos or just with specific videos?

> This could actually be something Linux is doing relating to the usage
> of memory, because I have seen the exact same issue occur with other
> web browsers, not just SeaMonkey. After a while, the Swap partition
> becomes active, then there is a noticeable slowdown of the system.

If you can reproduce this easily and you're able to give a try to the
version from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/, it would be good to
know whether it behaves in the same way or not.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ray_Net]

meagain wrote on 18-08-20 16:37:

 Original Message 

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then 
Netscape Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by 
the quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully 
function on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can 
do all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do 
all this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like 
a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open 
in Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted 
adopting the most current offering from the Macrofirms of the 
digital world, but it has become too burdensome to continue being a 
browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem 
with SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not 
work using SM.



Zoom works great with SM 2.53.3 for me (no add ons no ext).

This is my User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3
and zoom, nor other online-meeting are working. Perhaps is because you 
use the 64 version ? I have installed the 32 bits)

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Edward]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Edward wrote:
I have noticed increased memory usage with SeaMonkey, using the 
Fedora-supplied package, when listening to music either through 
YouTube or a web site, after it's been running for a while.


This could actually be something Linux is doing relating to the usage 
of memory, because I have seen the exact same issue occur with other 
web browsers, not just SeaMonkey. After a while, the Swap partition 
becomes active, then there is a noticeable slowdown of the system.


Which Fedora Supplied package and which o/s distro, version?

On Linux, you should quickly be able to see who is using what, for 
example using "System Monitor" and then go to "Processes", sort by 
Memory with highest at the top.


You should see SeaMonkey at abnout 300MiB

Note the value from a cold start, then time how long before it reaches 
the value that you are concerned about.


It's unlikely listening to music would cause this, but the word 
"youtube" rings alarm bells as it's not "music", it's running hundreds 
of horrible JavaScripts launching hundreds of adverts and attacking your 
computer.


If you think it's music, trace the URL to the real music file (or 
stream) and run the same test again (outside of youtube).


I didn't even know youtube had music, I thought it was video.


Fedora 32, x86_64: seamonkey-2.53.3-3.fc32.x86_64

PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ 
COMMAND
4766 edward   20   0 3463452 625444 174552 S   2.7  16.6   7:08.80 
seamonk+


The above is from 'top' as of right now. As I am not on YouTube right 
now and Swap isn't being used, there is /currently/ no slowdown in 
performance.


YouTube also has music. Some individual tracks from albums will also 
display a static video, it's usually the album cover for the duration of 
the track.



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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey]

Edward wrote:
I have noticed increased memory usage with SeaMonkey, using the 
Fedora-supplied package, when listening to music either through YouTube 
or a web site, after it's been running for a while.


This could actually be something Linux is doing relating to the usage of 
memory, because I have seen the exact same issue occur with other web 
browsers, not just SeaMonkey. After a while, the Swap partition becomes 
active, then there is a noticeable slowdown of the system.


Which Fedora Supplied package and which o/s distro, version?

On Linux, you should quickly be able to see who is using what, for 
example using "System Monitor" and then go to "Processes", sort by 
Memory with highest at the top.


You should see SeaMonkey at abnout 300MiB

Note the value from a cold start, then time how long before it reaches 
the value that you are concerned about.


It's unlikely listening to music would cause this, but the word 
"youtube" rings alarm bells as it's not "music", it's running hundreds 
of horrible JavaScripts launching hundreds of adverts and attacking your 
computer.


If you think it's music, trace the URL to the real music file (or 
stream) and run the same test again (outside of youtube).


I didn't even know youtube had music, I thought it was video.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[meagain]

 Original Message 

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function 
on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but 
it has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem with 
SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not work 
using SM.



Zoom works great with SM 2.53.3 for me (no add ons no ext).

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>
>> Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in
>> private? 
>
> He is telling you he has an issue, just like most of us do. Flipping
> him off like that is child like.
>
> I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
> another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
> control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
> and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
> this its slow as a wet week.
>
> None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
> ram for the same sites open.
>
> Thanks

Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
it a distribution-compiled version?

If it is a distribution version, can you please see if the same happens
with the binaries from the project website?

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in private? 


He is telling you he has an issue, just like most of us do. Flipping him 
off like that is child like.


I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to 
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of 
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled, and 
I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of this 
its slow as a wet week.


None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much 
ram for the same sites open.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

AndrésH wrote:

EE escribió:

Lance Courtland wrote:

By the way, the website of eldiario.es , a "new" online newspaper in Spain , 
has recently refurbished its site. And the login process as a user/member of 
the paper doesn't work in SM 2.53.3. Before the change of the site, everything 
worked fine.


The new site works with Firefox and Pale Moon. I suspect that the version of 
Gecko of SM is outdated for the new features of the website. I hope the next 
version of SM resolves that compatibility problem.





When is the next release scheduled ?


The 2.53.4 beta is due out any day. I it does not crash outright it should be 
very very ver stable :)


The Gecko version of Palemoon was originally 52. 2.53 was 56 but set to 60 for 
compatibility reasons. Both have extensionve changes. Ours a bit more 
extensive and a lot of later versions in. Might just be bad user agent 
sniffing unless we missed porting something. We have also still disabled ES6 
modules because there are still a few issues open. This might be it. Check the 
error log and see if you spot something.


FRG
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[AndrésH]

EE escribió:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function 
on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but 
it has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome?  It is spyware, and reports where you browse back to 
Google.  I made my default browser Pale Moon, and I like it.  I have 
other chromium browsers, but not Chrome.


By the way, the website of eldiario.es , a "new" online newspaper in 
Spain , has recently refurbished its site. And the login process as a 
user/member of the paper doesn't work in SM 2.53.3. Before the change of 
the site, everything worked fine.


The new site works with Firefox and Pale Moon. I suspect that the 
version of Gecko of SM is outdated for the new features of the website. 
I hope the next version of SM resolves that compatibility problem.


When is the next release scheduled ?
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

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On 8/16/2020 1:19 PM, EE wrote:

Why use Chrome?  It is spyware, and reports where you browse back to 
Google. I made my default browser Pale Moon, and I like it.  I have 
other chromium browsers, but not Chrome.


If you use Pale Moon you can continue using SeaMonkey. Waste of time 
if you are after web compatibility with newer sites.


I use both.  I found I was using Pale Moon more for browsing, so I made 
it my default.  I think the two of them are diverging somewhat.  Some 
pages that do not work properly with SeaMonkey now work with Pale Moon.


What Gecko versions do SeaMonkey and Pale Moon use these days?
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 16-08-20 01:14:



Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem 
with SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not 
work using SM.




Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in 
private? As stated that was never a supported feature and we do what 
we can. If it is not enough for you just leave. A lot of sites I never 
vist have probably problems. The ones I use frequently still work but 
I am staying away from google based services where 90% of the bigger 
problems are.


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So, what must I do when: I can fill a form but the XMIT button did not 
work using SM.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[EE]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



EE wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:


Lance


Why use Chrome?  It is spyware, and reports where you browse back to 
Google. I made my default browser Pale Moon, and I like it.  I have 
other chromium browsers, but not Chrome.




If you use Pale Moon you can continue using SeaMonkey. Waste of time if 
you are after web compatibility with newer sites.


FRG

I use both.  I found I was using Pale Moon more for browsing, so I made 
it my default.  I think the two of them are diverging somewhat.  Some 
pages that do not work properly with SeaMonkey now work with Pale Moon.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem with SM, 
per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not work using SM.




Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in private? As 
stated that was never a supported feature and we do what we can. If it is not 
enough for you just leave. A lot of sites I never vist have probably problems. 
The ones I use frequently still work but I am staying away from google based 
services where 90% of the bigger problems are.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ray_Net]

Lance Courtland wrote on 15-08-20 22:59:

Ray_Net wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote on 15-08-20 02:27:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then 
Netscape Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by 
the quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully 
function on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can 
do all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do 
all this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like 
a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open 
in Chrome, which is now my default. I have always resisted adopting 
the most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, 
but it has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.



Why not using Thunderbird as mail program instead of SM ?

Ray_Net,

Because I already have SM mail working the way I like it, and I don't 
want to have to go through a new install, configuration, connecting to 
4 email accounts, and figure out how to get TB to open links in Chrome.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I suppose that because thunderbird is not a suite, the only way of 
starting a browser to open  a link is to pass the link information to 
the default browser - more simple than using SM.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Lance Courtland]

Ray_Net wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote on 15-08-20 02:27:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM.  However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and kluges, 
each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function on a 
wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but it 
has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.



Why not using Thunderbird as mail program instead of SM ?

Ray_Net,

Because I already have SM mail working the way I like it, and I don't 
want to have to go through a new install, configuration, connecting to 4 
email accounts, and figure out how to get TB to open links in Chrome.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function 
on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but 
it has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem with 
SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not work 
using SM.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ray_Net]

Lance Courtland wrote on 15-08-20 02:27:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM.  However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and kluges, 
each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function on a 
wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but it 
has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.



Why not using Thunderbird as mail program instead of SM ?
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

EE wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:


Lance


Why use Chrome?  It is spyware, and reports where you browse back to Google.  
I made my default browser Pale Moon, and I like it.  I have other chromium 
browsers, but not Chrome.




If you use Pale Moon you can continue using SeaMonkey. Waste of time if you 
are after web compatibility with newer sites.


FRG

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[EE]

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web browser. 
I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape Navigator, 
then SM.  However, I have become overwhelmed by the quantity and 
complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and kluges, each 
constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function on a wide 
variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden.  SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all this 
to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but it 
has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome?  It is spyware, and reports where you browse back to 
Google.  I made my default browser Pale Moon, and I like it.  I have 
other chromium browsers, but not Chrome.


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WHY?????????? -- Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

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On 08/14/2020 07:27 PM, Lance Courtland wrote:

It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey ...


I use SeaMonkey 2.49 under Debian with *NO* problems _whatsoever_.
I started with Netscape Communicator under whatever flavor of Widoze was 
current back in the day.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Edward]

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web browser. 
I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape Navigator, 
then SM.  However, I have become overwhelmed by the quantity and 
complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and kluges, each 
constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function on a wide 
variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden.  SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all this 
to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but it 
has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Please don't give up on SeaMonkey. I've been with this since the 
Netscape days. When I 'graduated' from Commodore 64 to Windows 95, a 
good 23 years ago, the first software I downloaded on Windows (although 
on 56K dial-up back then), was Netscape Communicator. Stayed with that 
as well as with the Mozilla Suite - which eventually became SeaMonkey.


All because, I like using a suite.

Aside from adding Extensions/Add-Ons and Themes, I'm not aware myself of 
any other customization available for SeaMonkey.


I run Fedora Linux today and use the Fedora-supplied SeaMonkey package.

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

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On 2020-08-15, Lance Courtland wrote:

> Ken Rudolph wrote:
>> Lance Courtland wrote:
>>> Ken Rudolph wrote:
 Lance Courtland wrote:

> I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I
> like a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM
> Email open in Chrome, which is now my default. 

 Could you specify how you managed this feat?  I would like to have
 links open in the Firefox browser.  However Chrome would work,
 too.  I just don't know how to redirect the browser when I click
 on the link. Thanks.

>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Try this.  I'm using Windows 10, SM 2.53.3
>>>
>>> 1. Make Firefox your default browser, from Firefox and in Windows
>>> default programs.  Reboot computer.
>>> 2. In SM check Edit/Preferences/Browser, Default browser.  Make
>>> sure SM is not your default browser.
>>> 3.In SM browser, go to about:config.  Search for
>>> network.protocol-handler.external.http.  If it exists, set it to
>>> false. If it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to
>>> false.
>>> 4. Do the same as step 3 for network.protocol-handler.external.https.
>>> 5. Still in about:config, search for
>>> network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mailto and set it to
>>> false. If it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to
>>> false.
>>> 6. Close SM and reboot computer.
>>
>> *sigh*.  Neither *.http or *.https exists in my config file.  I
>> suppose I could figure out how to create them as a boolean since
>> years ago I did futz around with the config file per a suggestion on
>> this newsgroup. However, nowadays my computer savvy is not as
>> effective as it once was; so I'll just have to continue with my
>> practice of copying and pasting the links into Firefox by hand.
>>
>> Anyway, congratulation to you for succeeding and thanks for the hint!
>>
> Ken,
>
> Don't give up just yet.  Here's how to create a new config preference.
> 1. In SM browser, put about:config in address bar, hit enter
> 2. Right click anywhere in list of preferences
> 3. Select New, then Boolean
> 4. Enter preference name, i.e. network.protocol-handler.external.http,
> then click OK
> 5. In the popup window "Enter boolean value", select false, click OK.
> 6. Repeat steps 2-5 until all preferences entered.
> 7. Reboot.

I think it might be "expose", not "external", see [1].

Here I was able to open http(s) links (from inside Mail) using an
external browser after creating network.protocol-handler.expose.http and
network.protocol-handler.expose.https, both as booleans set to false.

(After this, if I try to open such a link, SeaMonkey asks me to choose a
helper application to open it with, and I can set it to "Remember my
choice".)


[1] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol#Firefox_3.5_and_above
(compared with the "[...] up to 3.0" subsection which follows)
(This is all inside the "Linux" section, but seems to work in
Windows as well.)

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Lance Courtland]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:

I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like 
a lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open 
in Chrome, which is now my default. 


Could you specify how you managed this feat?  I would like to have 
links open in the Firefox browser.  However Chrome would work, too.  
I just don't know how to redirect the browser when I click on the 
link. Thanks.



Ken,

Try this.  I'm using Windows 10, SM 2.53.3

1. Make Firefox your default browser, from Firefox and in Windows
default programs.  Reboot computer.
2. In SM check Edit/Preferences/Browser, Default browser.  Make sure 
SM is not your default browser.
3.In SM browser, go to about:config.  Search for 
network.protocol-handler.external.http.  If it exists, set it to 
false. If it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

4. Do the same as step 3 for network.protocol-handler.external.https.
5. Still in about:config, search for 
network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mailto and set it to false. If 
it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

6. Close SM and reboot computer.


*sigh*.  Neither *.http or *.https exists in my config file.  I suppose 
I could figure out how to create them as a boolean since years ago I did 
futz around with the config file per a suggestion on this newsgroup. 
However, nowadays my computer savvy is not as effective as it once was; 
so I'll just have to continue with my practice of copying and pasting 
the links into Firefox by hand.


Anyway, congratulation to you for succeeding and thanks for the hint!


Ken,

Don't give up just yet.  Here's how to create a new config preference.
1. In SM browser, put about:config in address bar, hit enter
2. Right click anywhere in list of preferences
3. Select New, then Boolean
4. Enter preference name, i.e. network.protocol-handler.external.http, 
then click OK

5. In the popup window "Enter boolean value", select false, click OK.
6. Repeat steps 2-5 until all preferences entered.
7. Reboot.

Lance


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Ken Rudolph]

Lance Courtland wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:

I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default. 


Could you specify how you managed this feat?  I would like to have 
links open in the Firefox browser.  However Chrome would work, too.  I 
just don't know how to redirect the browser when I click on the link.  
Thanks.



Ken,

Try this.  I'm using Windows 10, SM 2.53.3

1. Make Firefox your default browser, from Firefox and in Windows
default programs.  Reboot computer.
2. In SM check Edit/Preferences/Browser, Default browser.  Make sure SM 
is not your default browser.
3.In SM browser, go to about:config.  Search for 
network.protocol-handler.external.http.  If it exists, set it to false. 
If it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

4. Do the same as step 3 for network.protocol-handler.external.https.
5. Still in about:config, search for 
network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mailto and set it to false. If it 
doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

6. Close SM and reboot computer.


*sigh*.  Neither *.http or *.https exists in my config file.  I suppose 
I could figure out how to create them as a boolean since years ago I did 
futz around with the config file per a suggestion on this newsgroup. 
However, nowadays my computer savvy is not as effective as it once was; 
so I'll just have to continue with my practice of copying and pasting 
the links into Firefox by hand.


Anyway, congratulation to you for succeeding and thanks for the hint!

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Lance Courtland]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Lance Courtland wrote:

I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default. 


Could you specify how you managed this feat?  I would like to have links 
open in the Firefox browser.  However Chrome would work, too.  I just 
don't know how to redirect the browser when I click on the link.  Thanks.



Ken,

Try this.  I'm using Windows 10, SM 2.53.3

1. Make Firefox your default browser, from Firefox and in Windows
default programs.  Reboot computer.
2. In SM check Edit/Preferences/Browser, Default browser.  Make sure SM 
is not your default browser.
3.In SM browser, go to about:config.  Search for 
network.protocol-handler.external.http.  If it exists, set it to false. 
If it doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

4. Do the same as step 3 for network.protocol-handler.external.https.
5. Still in about:config, search for 
network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mailto and set it to false. If it 
doesn't exist, create it as a boolean and set it to false.

6. Close SM and reboot computer.

As far as I can remember, that's how I got this to work.

I find it highly ironic that the SeaMonkey browser's vaunted 
customizability is precisely what enables us to bring about its demise.


HTH,

Lance

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

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Lance Courtland wrote:

I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default. 


Could you specify how you managed this feat?  I would like to have links 
open in the Firefox browser.  However Chrome would work, too.  I just 
don't know how to redirect the browser when I click on the link.  Thanks.


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