Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:49:32 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: There are several Names Beverly being one that can be used as Man's name or a Woman's Name. Some though have different spellings. Example: Gale, Gayle, and Gail all sound exactly like. But Only Gale can be used as a Man's Name. Gene and Jean (Gene being male) Jamie can be either Male or female There are others I can't think of right now. The two most commonly used on Saturday Night Live to take advantage of this are Pat (Patrick/Patricia) and Chris (Christopher/Christine). And of course many foreign names, because we don't recognize them, could be anything. A Korean will know instantly that Daehan and Minguk are masculine and Miran and Obok are feminine, but no American would know... Counter example Hikaru can be either and even native Japanese won't know instantly. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! ...not to mention a different perspective on women's rights ;-) Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! No apoloogy necessary... as Mr. Cash noted singing Shel's song, made me strong growing up, and I have been having fun with it ever since ;-) Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:49:32 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The two most commonly used on Saturday Night Live to take advantage of this are Pat (Patrick/Patricia) and Chris (Christopher/Christine). And of course many foreign names, because we don't recognize them, could be anything. A Korean will know instantly that Daehan and Minguk are masculine and Miran and Obok are feminine, but no American would know... Counter example Hikaru can be either and even native Japanese won't know instantly. Yes. I didn't mean to claim that all foreign names are of predictable gender, merely that monolingual English speakers can't predict, even in cases when a native speaker could. I happen to be a translator and an amateur linguist, so I've taken an interest in such things and can often guess right where a monolingual could not. For example, I know that almost all Japanese names with the -ko suffix are feminine (Keiko, Mitsuko, Etsuko, etc.), and that the Russian Sasha is a nickname for either Aleksandr (masc.) or Aleksandra (fem.), but hardly any ordinary people know that. Still, of all the thousands of languages in the world, I only know bits and pieces of a few popular ones, so I have my limits. Since we've strayed quite a bit from the topic, I move we adjourn this thread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! No apoloogy necessary... as Mr. Cash noted singing Shel's song, made me strong growing up, and I have been having fun with it ever since ;-) Beverly Howard When I went to high school back in 1960's. The was a fellow named Shirley Surber. Boy did he get into trouble. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: her ;-) Beverly Howard http://BevHoward.com My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Daniel wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: her ;-) Beverly Howard http://BevHoward.com My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! Daniel There are several Names Beverly being one that can be used as Man's name or a Woman's Name. Some though have different spellings. Example: Gale, Gayle, and Gail all sound exactly like. But Only Gale can be used as a Man's Name. Gene and Jean (Gene being male) Jamie can be either Male or female There are others I can't think of right now. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: There are several Names Beverly being one that can be used as Man's name or a Woman's Name. Some though have different spellings. Example: Gale, Gayle, and Gail all sound exactly like. But Only Gale can be used as a Man's Name. Gene and Jean (Gene being male) Jamie can be either Male or female There are others I can't think of right now. The two most commonly used on Saturday Night Live to take advantage of this are Pat (Patrick/Patricia) and Chris (Christopher/Christine). And of course many foreign names, because we don't recognize them, could be anything. A Korean will know instantly that Daehan and Minguk are masculine and Miran and Obok are feminine, but no American would know... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: [snip] Having participated in e-forums for over a quarter century starting with dial up bulletin boards through pre-internet compuserve, then nntp and now web base forums, I _know_ that full quoting was born from the needs of primitive software, slow connections and terrible nntp readers such as outlook express. Full quoting has, unfortunately, been preserved by the fact that many newsreaders, email clients (mozilla included) and web forums _default_ to full quoting in their composer settings. ... [snap] I find full quoting a convenient first draft, and I'm competent enough to select and snip the irrelevant material. I assume others on this forum are equally capable, but they don't prune because a) they can't be bothered; or b) they think they're not supposed to. The latter view is probably from dealing with tech support staff elsewhere, who demand that every message contain the entire top-posted thread. I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I seem to recall that the organizers of this newsgroup have established a policy of pruning, for the reasons Bev stated elsewhere in her post. And I'm happy to follow it. There's nothing more annoying than to scroll down three or four screens of quoted quoted quoted quotes to a single line of new text saying, Yep, I agree. You're right, Paul, as I seem to recall pruning is the requested method..it's just that Beverly seems to be pruning trees off at almost ground level. Makes reading her responses, some of which provide real good suggestions, difficult, at least to me! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
her ;-) Beverly Howard http://BevHoward.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On 08/09/2010 11:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I seem to recall that the organizers of this newsgroup have established a policy of pruning, for the reasons Bev stated elsewhere in her post. And I'm happy to follow it. There's nothing more annoying than to scroll down three or four screens of quoted quoted quoted quotes to a single line of new text saying, Yep, I agree. Beverly is a he... http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html [Trim your follow-ups.] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: her ;-) Beverly Howard http://BevHoward.com Wow! Who'da guessed? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: [snip] Having participated in e-forums for over a quarter century starting with dial up bulletin boards through pre-internet compuserve, then nntp and now web base forums, I _know_ that full quoting was born from the needs of primitive software, slow connections and terrible nntp readers such as outlook express. Full quoting has, unfortunately, been preserved by the fact that many newsreaders, email clients (mozilla included) and web forums _default_ to full quoting in their composer settings. ... [snap] I find full quoting a convenient first draft, and I'm competent enough to select and snip the irrelevant material. I assume others on this forum are equally capable, but they don't prune because a) they can't be bothered; or b) they think they're not supposed to. The latter view is probably from dealing with tech support staff elsewhere, who demand that every message contain the entire top-posted thread. I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I seem to recall that the organizers of this newsgroup have established a policy of pruning, for the reasons Bev stated elsewhere in her post. And I'm happy to follow it. There's nothing more annoying than to scroll down three or four screens of quoted quoted quoted quotes to a single line of new text saying, Yep, I agree. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverley, how do you re-read the past posts??? You cut out all the past posts!! my apologies as personal (medical) reasons over the past week have prevented me from addressing this request and I wanted to give sufficient time to respond as it is an important subject for me. First, by way of explanation, the majority of my forum activity for over a decade has centered on mobile devices and on devices with 2.5 inch screens, where quoting becomes a major factor. After only two or three responses typical to this forum where the responders use traditional full quoting participating on a mobile device is impossible... ...a few more responses, and it's almost impossible to follow on a full screen. As a result, for the past decade, I try to selectively quote as I find that full quoting as practiced by most here makes following threads very difficult. Second, the question how do you re-read the past posts??? is, to me, it is very ironic that this is an issue for any mozilla based newsreader user as the mozilla engine makes referencing any prior message in any thread stone simple. Having participated in e-forums for over a quarter century starting with dial up bulletin boards through pre-internet compuserve, then nntp and now web base forums, I _know_ that full quoting was born from the needs of primitive software, slow connections and terrible nntp readers such as outlook express. Full quoting has, unfortunately, been preserved by the fact that many newsreaders, email clients (mozilla included) and web forums _default_ to full quoting in their composer settings. For years prior to the introduction of current incarnations such as SeaMonkey, the Mozilla newsreader engine, has provided powerful tools that completely eliminate the need for any quoting other than a minimal selective quote referencing a specific part of the poster's message related to my response. While newsreaders and even web forums have made progress over that quarter century, resistance to change has preserved twenty five year old quoting standards leading to hard feelings on every side and the exit of many potentially valuable contributors from countless forums. The Mozilla newsreader interface effectively, clearly and easily addresses _every_ prior message reference need (other than selective quoting in order to identify a specific question) and it seems that supporting using this powerful capability here would have far more benefits than dwelling on user quoting methods. As mentioned in other posts, I _try_ to quote to the extent that it will clearly reference the specifics of what exactly I am responding to. I hope that there is value in at least some of my responses but, if it my quoting process irritates, I assume that a kill filter will be created to remove the irritation ;-) Here's hoping that my contributions yield a net positive here. Sincerely, Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: To quote from the original post, Fedora 13 Linux Apologies... hopefully the post will be of value to a windows user edit/pref../navigator/tabbed../linkopen... settings. Yes. I know. I've done that. Rereading yielded no specific settings information... for my education, would you mind confirming specifically that Links from other applications is set to current window. Beverly Howard Beverley, how do you re-read the past posts??? You cut out all the past posts!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
I've done that. Thanks for the confirmation. Assuming you are using windows, this _normally_ works by the window's file association and the file association setting for http: setting. Would you take a fully qualified url such as http://www.seamonkey-project.org and paste that into the RUN line of the windows start menu and report back if the link opens in the current seamonkey window or if it starts a new window? Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:53:41 -0500, Beverly Howard wrote: Assuming you are using windows, this _normally_ works by the window's file association and the file association setting for http: setting. To quote from the original post, Fedora 13 Linux and, on another machine, Puppy Linux. I run a Windows-free household. -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info The thing they miss is that truth doesn't really care what you want it to be. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:14:58 -0500, Beverly Howard wrote: To quote from the original post, Fedora 13 Linux Apologies... hopefully the post will be of value to a windows user edit/pref../navigator/tabbed../linkopen... settings. Yes. I know. I've done that. Rereading yielded no specific settings information... for my education, would you mind confirming specifically that Links from other applications is set to current window. Beverly Howard Not only is it set that way, I've gone into about:config and found that the two applicable settings don't change when I alter that setting. More info can be found here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=613778 -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info Always there are two, the BOFH and the PFY. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On 07/10/2010 02:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I use Fedora 13 and, until recently, Firefox. Alas, a recent update caused it to start crashing so badly it became essentially unusable. (I've opened a bug report at Bugzilla and reported it at fedoraforum.com.) I've also started using Seamonkey because, although it's not the browser of choice for me, it works, and that's the important thing. Alas, there's one thing that I can't make it do: open links from my email program (Thunderbird) in the current window. I've gone into Preferences and specified that links opened from other applications do so in the current window, but Seamonkey just ignores the setting. I might add that I have an old laptop running Puppy 4 with an older version of Seamonkey, and it does the exact same thing. Does anybody here know how to tell Seamonkey that I want all external links to open in the existing window, only in the existing window, and *I REALLY, REALLY MEAN IT,* I don't really mean in a new window, on a different desktop! What you are asking is not the funtion of SeaMonkey, but your system settings. I do no have Fedora, but on Ubuntu 10.04 I have a system setting: System|Preferences|Preferred Applications|Browser and I have 3 choices for SeaMonkey (my preferred browser): o Open link with web browser default [seamonkey %s] o Open link in a new window [seamonkey -new-window %s] o Open link in new tab [seamonkey -new-tab %s] If I set (in SM) 'Edit|Pref...|Browser|Tabbed...|Links from other applications|The current tab/window' and select option 1 above (Open link with web browser default), and select a url from within Thunderbird 3.1, the url is opened in the same window/tab that I had previously opened. So I reckon that I'd mark your bug as invalid/'works for me' as SeaMonkey (2.0.5 and 2.0.6) are working properly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Thanks for the response... appreciated, Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:14:29 -0700, NoOp wrote: If I set (in SM) 'Edit|Pref...|Browser|Tabbed...|Links from other applications|The current tab/window' and select option 1 above (Open link with web browser default), and select a url from within Thunderbird 3.1, the url is opened in the same window/tab that I had previously opened. So I reckon that I'd mark your bug as invalid/'works for me' as SeaMonkey (2.0.5 and 2.0.6) are working properly. I've checked there, and it's set correctly: browser default. In fact, I checked there before checking about:config, JIC. -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to believe. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On 07/12/2010 01:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:14:29 -0700, NoOp wrote: If I set (in SM) 'Edit|Pref...|Browser|Tabbed...|Links from other applications|The current tab/window' and select option 1 above (Open link with web browser default), and select a url from within Thunderbird 3.1, the url is opened in the same window/tab that I had previously opened. So I reckon that I'd mark your bug as invalid/'works for me' as SeaMonkey (2.0.5 and 2.0.6) are working properly. I've checked there, and it's set correctly: browser default. In fact, I checked there before checking about:config, JIC. I'll clarify: your _application_ sends the link to SeaMonkey... o Open link with web browser default [seamonkey %s] o Open link in a new window [seamonkey -new-window %s] o Open link in new tab [seamonkey -new-tab %s] If your settings are correct in SM, *and* your application sends the link 'seamonkey %s', SeaMonkey will open per the setting. What happens if the application sends 'seamonkey -new-tab %s' or 'seamonkey -new-window %s', does the display location change? You can test via a terminal take Thunderbird/application out of the picture: $ seamonkey http://www.mozilla.org/ %s $ seamonkey -new-window http://www.mozilla.org %s $ seamonkey -new-tab http://www.mozilla.org %s Of course, '$' prompt may be '#' in your case. And you may have to put in the full path to your seamonkey shell: # pathtoseamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:02:30 -0700, NoOp wrote: You can test via a terminal take Thunderbird/application out of the picture: $ seamonkey http://www.mozilla.org/ %s $ seamonkey -new-window http://www.mozilla.org %s $ seamonkey -new-tab http://www.mozilla.org %s If I click on any of those links when Firefox is the default browser, and open, the links open in the current window; with Seamonkey, in a new window. As I said, I've tested this. Just to simplify things, I did phone tech support at a senior level for 7.5 years at a major ISP. You can assume that I've done all the obvious tests before asking questions. -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info Microsoft's software Wizards show that their marketing department is envisioning Tolkien but their coders are more into Pratchett. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On 07/12/2010 04:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:02:30 -0700, NoOp wrote: You can test via a terminal take Thunderbird/application out of the picture: $ seamonkey http://www.mozilla.org/ %s $ seamonkey -new-window http://www.mozilla.org %s $ seamonkey -new-tab http://www.mozilla.org %s If I click on any of those links when Firefox is the default browser, and open, the links open in the current window; with Seamonkey, in a new window. As I said, I've tested this. You didn't say that you'd tested from the cli... unless I'm missing a post from you. Cite please? Further, you don't click cli commands, you enter run them. Just to simplify things, I did phone tech support at a senior level for 7.5 years at a major ISP. You can assume that I've done all the obvious tests before asking questions. Oh. I guess that explains it :-) Try with a test profile, or did I miss where you did that as well? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:42:11 -0700, NoOp wrote: You didn't say that you'd tested from the cli... unless I'm missing a post from you. Cite please? Further, you don't click cli commands, you enter run them. True. Checking, the first two open the link in a new window, on whatever desktop the terminal is in; the third opens a new tab in my current incarnation of Seamonkey. However, even that's not what I want; I want it in the same window on the same desktop, just as Firefox does. -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info Trouble doesn't approach me, I'm the trouble that is approached. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Does anybody here know how to tell Seamonkey that I want all external links to open in the existing window Think the simplest way to achieve what you want may be by using the menu otions; edit/pref../navigator/tabbed../linkopen... settings. While you can specify in the same window, recommend new tab in the same window works better for me Thunderbird Since Seamonkey contains the same email/news client as Thunderbird, I am not familiar with how this will work with Thunderbird as an external app... fingers crossed. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:18:44 -0500, Beverly Howard wrote: Think the simplest way to achieve what you want may be by using the menu otions; edit/pref../navigator/tabbed../linkopen... settings. Yes. I know. I've done that. It doesn't work on either computer; that's why I'm here asking. -- Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns: http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info If you can measure a computer's error rate, it's too high. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
