Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
On 6/9/2009 9:30 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Yes, it is, we cannot release a stable SeaMonkey release without a stable mail/news backend, which we only will have once Thunderbird 3 goes into at least RC phase. That said, we'll have a first beta of SM2 in the next few weeks, a second beta a few weeks later and then a final another few weeks later. We should be on the way now and pick up a good drive towards final. It's a bit unfortunate that the duration between Alpha 3 and Beta 1 grew significantly longer than expected, but things should be moving more smoothly from now on. Unfortunately I can't talk in real schedules right now, as there's one large feature for the mail backend (indexing all data to allow for fast and easy search across all messages and addresses) is being worked on still, and that feature is what's pushing out Thunderbird and SeaMonkey beta release dates right now. Robert: Thanks. Will this indexing get rid of the annoying feature where a cross-posted news message that is read in one group is not seen as read in another? David, Gloda indexing will have no impact on newsgroup crosspost handling. The crosspost bug has gotten no traction in TB3, so I doubt we well see this in the next version unless some kind soul steps up to provide a patch. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
Robert Kaiser wrote: AFAIK it's only for searching, not for actually storing/driving any actual information like read/unread state, so it probably won't affect that. There are plans for fixing this (for the next release after TB3/SM2), but the gloda index for search has no influence on that from what I'm told. Oh well. The thing that has always bugged me is that this worked back in the Netscape 4 days. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
David Wilkinson wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: AFAIK it's only for searching, not for actually storing/driving any actual information like read/unread state, so it probably won't affect that. There are plans for fixing this (for the next release after TB3/SM2), but the gloda index for search has no influence on that from what I'm told. Oh well. The thing that has always bugged me is that this worked back in the Netscape 4 days. Ditto!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
Robert Kaiser wrote: Yes, it is, we cannot release a stable SeaMonkey release without a stable mail/news backend, which we only will have once Thunderbird 3 goes into at least RC phase. That said, we'll have a first beta of SM2 in the next few weeks, a second beta a few weeks later and then a final another few weeks later. We should be on the way now and pick up a good drive towards final. It's a bit unfortunate that the duration between Alpha 3 and Beta 1 grew significantly longer than expected, but things should be moving more smoothly from now on. Unfortunately I can't talk in real schedules right now, as there's one large feature for the mail backend (indexing all data to allow for fast and easy search across all messages and addresses) is being worked on still, and that feature is what's pushing out Thunderbird and SeaMonkey beta release dates right now. Robert: Thanks. Will this indexing get rid of the annoying feature where a cross-posted news message that is read in one group is not seen as read in another? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
David Wilkinson wrote: I'm sure there will be many good things in SM2, but for me the most important order of business is getting the FireFox 3 rendering engine. Already there are several sites I use (one in particular) that do not render well in SM1.x. Expanding on this question, I hope that SM2 will incorporate the upcoming Firefox 3.5 improvements ASAP. John ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
John wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: I'm sure there will be many good things in SM2, but for me the most important order of business is getting the FireFox 3 rendering engine. Already there are several sites I use (one in particular) that do not render well in SM1.x. Expanding on this question, I hope that SM2 will incorporate the upcoming Firefox 3.5 improvements ASAP. Current SM 2 nightlies already include the rendering and JavaScript engines of FF 3.5, as well as support for HTML5 audio/video. Or which improvements are you talking about? Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
David Wilkinson wrote, On 6/8/2009 1:55 PM: I'm sure there will be many good things in SM2, but for me the most important order of business is getting the FireFox 3 rendering engine. Already there are several sites I use (one in particular) that do not render well in SM1.x. So my question is: Is the release of SM2 being delayed until Thunderbird 3 is finished? Compatibility with TB is good, but if (as might appear) the release of TB3 is not a matter of great urgency, I am concerned. I personally find the current SM2 nightlies at a very high level of quality (a good beta, compared to some other open source dev...), thanks to the work of the whole team ! Although this work is still referred to as alpha, it is very usable and reliable. Kudos to them Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
dominique wrote: I personally find the current SM2 nightlies at a very high level of quality (a good beta, compared to some other open source dev...), thanks to the work of the whole team ! Although this work is still referred to as alpha, it is very usable and reliable. dominique: I don't have time for the nightlies, but SM2 Alpha 3 already works pretty well for me. But what about TB3? Is this what is holding up the move to release SM2? And what are the plans for more pre-release builds (if any)? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 and Thunderbird 3
David Wilkinson wrote: So my question is: Is the release of SM2 being delayed until Thunderbird 3 is finished? Yes, it is, we cannot release a stable SeaMonkey release without a stable mail/news backend, which we only will have once Thunderbird 3 goes into at least RC phase. That said, we'll have a first beta of SM2 in the next few weeks, a second beta a few weeks later and then a final another few weeks later. We should be on the way now and pick up a good drive towards final. It's a bit unfortunate that the duration between Alpha 3 and Beta 1 grew significantly longer than expected, but things should be moving more smoothly from now on. Unfortunately I can't talk in real schedules right now, as there's one large feature for the mail backend (indexing all data to allow for fast and easy search across all messages and addresses) is being worked on still, and that feature is what's pushing out Thunderbird and SeaMonkey beta release dates right now. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
