Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[rickman]

NFN Smith wrote on 5/26/2017 6:54 PM:

OK, you've addressed most of the common things.


Rick Collins wrote:



2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're
interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's
easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of
other things that are causing performance issues.


I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when
doing simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the
highlighting stop, inability to select anything, essentially the user
interface freezes.  At times it would take minutes for it to return.
SeaMonkey does the same sorts of things, but it returns a lot more
quickly.




The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays. Monitoring
the state of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging
*any* resource that would slow SeaMonkey.


OK, that would seem to rule out other things.

One thing that I've noticed is that with Mozilla things, sometimes hang-ups
seem to be script-related, and stuff that frequently doesn't show up in the
task manger.  I occasionally have hangs and pauses, and they're annoying,
and no obvious source.  One thing I have seen is that if I have Seamonkey
open when I hibernate, and then I resume from hibernation, it often takes
several minutes before things settle enough that I can use the machine
again. And at least some of the time, I get script timeout warnings from
Lightning.  I'm almost to the point of preferring a full shutdown and
restart to using hibernation.





There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV
scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.





These things would show up in Task Manager. When I bring my machine
out of hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for
a minute or three. I can see that happen and the entire machine is
affected. So I can't understand how anything like this would sap a
single application.


Stuff outside of Seamonkey, yes.  However, as noted above, I've seen
evidence of scripts hanging, but not where they're obviously consuming
memory or CPU. For what it's worth, beyond the response times I see when
coming out of hibernation, when I'm seeing performance issues, it's often
when the Task Manager reports RAM usage at more than a GB.  In that
combination, I generally find a way of restarting Seamonkey, although I
don't like to do that, because I generally don't allow POP and IMAP
connections to keep login credentials, and I flush cookies when I shut down
seamonkey.  Although I don't mind having to go through several
authentications at the beginning of the day, it's more of a pain to do that
following a restart.





Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins.




Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever.  I use lightweight PDF
viewers like Sumatra and Foxit.


A good approach. Use Adobe only if there's a specific need for it.  But in
any case, it looks like you don't have a lot of auto-started stuff consuming
memory.





3) Hardware can be a problem, too.  The most common area of question is
RAM -- if you're running a machine with 4 GB of RAM, and you typically
use more than that, then you're going to be doing a lot of memory
swapping to hard disk, and you'll notice that in performance.





Same thing with this concern.  I have 16 GB of RAM.  If the RAM would
the problem is manifests by swapping to the hard drive saturating the
drive.  I see neither the drive being saturated nor the memory being
used up.  Right now the RAM usage is 12.4 GB.

12.4 G is a lot of use, but if you have 16, you're not RAM-constrained.





I also find slowness issues with hard drives:

- Check your disk usage.  If your hard drive is more than 50% capacity,
it will be slower than if you have less.



Under Windows 8 a defragging application runs automatically.  Hard
drive congestion is only a factor if a lot of accesses are being made
to the hard drive.  I see light activity and there is no special
reason why the SeaMonkey apps would be more subject to the delays
than any other apps.


Even Win 7 runs defragging automatically, and it's enough where I rarely
bother to defrag a drive.

However, if your drive is nearly full, you'll notice the the effects a lot
more than you may think, even on a relatively quiet system. Although your
use description indicates that you're not doing much in the way of memory
swapping, Windows does touch the hard disk a lot more than you think.
Actually, any operating system.  I have a Linux box that runs as a single
partition (except for /swap) and a while back, I was running at nearly 80%
capacity, and performance for everything was noticeably slow, enough that it
was difficult to use the KDE desktop.  When I did some cleanup (especially
discarding virtual machine snapshots), and brought storage down to about
2/3, performance was noticeably better.



I am using the SeaMonkey browser at the moment to type this 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[NFN Smith]

OK, you've addressed most of the common things.


Rick Collins wrote:



2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're
interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's
easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of
other things that are causing performance issues.


I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when
doing simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the
highlighting stop, inability to select anything, essentially the user
interface freezes.  At times it would take minutes for it to return.
SeaMonkey does the same sorts of things, but it returns a lot more
quickly.




The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays. Monitoring
the state of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging
*any* resource that would slow SeaMonkey.


OK, that would seem to rule out other things.

One thing that I've noticed is that with Mozilla things, sometimes 
hang-ups seem to be script-related, and stuff that frequently doesn't 
show up in the task manger.  I occasionally have hangs and pauses, and 
they're annoying, and no obvious source.  One thing I have seen is that 
if I have Seamonkey open when I hibernate, and then I resume from 
hibernation, it often takes several minutes before things settle enough 
that I can use the machine again. And at least some of the time, I get 
script timeout warnings from Lightning.  I'm almost to the point of 
preferring a full shutdown and restart to using hibernation.






There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV
scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.  





These things would show up in Task Manager. When I bring my machine
out of hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for
a minute or three. I can see that happen and the entire machine is
affected. So I can't understand how anything like this would sap a
single application.


Stuff outside of Seamonkey, yes.  However, as noted above, I've seen 
evidence of scripts hanging, but not where they're obviously consuming 
memory or CPU. For what it's worth, beyond the response times I see when 
coming out of hibernation, when I'm seeing performance issues, it's 
often when the Task Manager reports RAM usage at more than a GB.  In 
that combination, I generally find a way of restarting Seamonkey, 
although I don't like to do that, because I generally don't allow POP 
and IMAP connections to keep login credentials, and I flush cookies when 
I shut down seamonkey.  Although I don't mind having to go through 
several authentications at the beginning of the day, it's more of a pain 
to do that following a restart.






Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins.




Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever.  I use lightweight PDF viewers 
like Sumatra and Foxit.


A good approach. Use Adobe only if there's a specific need for it.  But 
in any case, it looks like you don't have a lot of auto-started stuff 
consuming memory.






3) Hardware can be a problem, too.  The most common area of question is
RAM -- if you're running a machine with 4 GB of RAM, and you typically
use more than that, then you're going to be doing a lot of memory
swapping to hard disk, and you'll notice that in performance.





Same thing with this concern.  I have 16 GB of RAM.  If the RAM would
the problem is manifests by swapping to the hard drive saturating the
drive.  I see neither the drive being saturated nor the memory being
used up.  Right now the RAM usage is 12.4 GB.

12.4 G is a lot of use, but if you have 16, you're not RAM-constrained.





I also find slowness issues with hard drives:

- Check your disk usage.  If your hard drive is more than 50% capacity,
it will be slower than if you have less.  



Under Windows 8 a defragging application runs automatically.  Hard
drive congestion is only a factor if a lot of accesses are being made
to the hard drive.  I see light activity and there is no special
reason why the SeaMonkey apps would be more subject to the delays
than any other apps.


Even Win 7 runs defragging automatically, and it's enough where I rarely 
bother to defrag a drive.


However, if your drive is nearly full, you'll notice the the effects a 
lot more than you may think, even on a relatively quiet system. Although 
your use description indicates that you're not doing much in the way of 
memory swapping, Windows does touch the hard disk a lot more than you 
think. Actually, any operating system.  I have a Linux box that runs as 
a single partition (except for /swap) and a while back, I was running at 
nearly 80% capacity, and performance for everything was noticeably slow, 
enough that it was difficult to use the KDE desktop.  When I did some 
cleanup (especially discarding virtual machine snapshots), and brought 
storage down to about 2/3, performance was noticeably better.




I am using the SeaMonkey browser at the moment to type this 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[rickman]

rickman wrote on 5/25/2017 10:09 PM:

rickman wrote on 5/25/2017 10:07 PM:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 5/25/2017 10:03 PM:

gnuarm.deletethis...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:23:38 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX
wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher
wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
hawking the
qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure
out what to
do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try
something
like  from now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.
Are you using
direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news
server doesn't
accept posts.

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the
mailing list to
post and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of
any other
newsgroups where you can't post.


I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers.
Probably most of
us that post here use moz. news.mozilla.org mozilla.support.seamonkey
mozilla.test
mozilla.support.firefox etc.


Do you have a username and password?  The only setting that is
different between using
eternal-september and news.mozilla.org is the security setting.  So I
set that with
news.mozilla.org and now it is asking me for a user name  and
password.  How would I
get that?


I don't remember ever using a uid or p/w with moz and there are none
stored.
Security settings are the same as at ET = None.


What could be set wrong that it insists in not posting to this group
from SeaMonkey?


The only change I made was to enable security and then disable it, now
it is working like it should.  Before it would also ignore a number of
my settings like start typing at the bottom.

Now if I can get it to add a sig so I don't have to type it.


Ok, got that working as well.  :)  Thanks to everyone for the help.

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[rickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 5/25/2017 10:03 PM:

gnuarm.deletethis...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:23:38 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
hawking the
qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure
out what to
do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try
something
like  from now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.
Are you using
direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news
server doesn't
accept posts.

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the
mailing list to
post and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of
any other
newsgroups where you can't post.


I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers.
Probably most of
us that post here use moz. news.mozilla.org mozilla.support.seamonkey
mozilla.test
mozilla.support.firefox etc.


Do you have a username and password?  The only setting that is
different between using
eternal-september and news.mozilla.org is the security setting.  So I
set that with
news.mozilla.org and now it is asking me for a user name  and
password.  How would I
get that?


I don't remember ever using a uid or p/w with moz and there are none
stored.
Security settings are the same as at ET = None.


What could be set wrong that it insists in not posting to this group 
from SeaMonkey?


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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[rickman]

rickman wrote on 5/25/2017 10:07 PM:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 5/25/2017 10:03 PM:

gnuarm.deletethis...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:23:38 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX
wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher
wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
hawking the
qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure
out what to
do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try
something
like  from now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.
Are you using
direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news
server doesn't
accept posts.

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the
mailing list to
post and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of
any other
newsgroups where you can't post.


I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers.
Probably most of
us that post here use moz. news.mozilla.org mozilla.support.seamonkey
mozilla.test
mozilla.support.firefox etc.


Do you have a username and password?  The only setting that is
different between using
eternal-september and news.mozilla.org is the security setting.  So I
set that with
news.mozilla.org and now it is asking me for a user name  and
password.  How would I
get that?


I don't remember ever using a uid or p/w with moz and there are none
stored.
Security settings are the same as at ET = None.


What could be set wrong that it insists in not posting to this group
from SeaMonkey?


The only change I made was to enable security and then disable it, now 
it is working like it should.  Before it would also ignore a number of 
my settings like start typing at the bottom.


Now if I can get it to add a sig so I don't have to type it.

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Paul in Houston, TX]

gnuarm.deletethis...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:23:38 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is hawking the
qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure out what to
do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try something
like  from now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.  Are you 
using
direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news server doesn't
accept posts.

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the mailing list 
to
post and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of any other
newsgroups where you can't post.


I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers. Probably 
most of
us that post here use moz. news.mozilla.org mozilla.support.seamonkey 
mozilla.test
mozilla.support.firefox etc.


Do you have a username and password?  The only setting that is different 
between using
eternal-september and news.mozilla.org is the security setting.  So I set that 
with
news.mozilla.org and now it is asking me for a user name  and password.  How 
would I
get that?


I don't remember ever using a uid or p/w with moz and there are none stored.
Security settings are the same as at ET = None.
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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rick Collins wrote:


On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher
wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
hawking the qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure
out what to do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid.
You might try something like  from
now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.
Are you using direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the
Mozilla news server doesn't accept posts.


I'm using SeaMonkey's native news reader, and have never had any trouble 
posting from there with this fake address.


Cute choice to use a burner email, that should solve it.

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[gnuarm . deletethisbit]

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:23:38 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
> Rick Collins wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> >> Rick Collins wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is hawking 
> >>> the qbids
> >>> scam with this subject line.
> >>
> >> That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure out 
> >> what to do
> >> with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try something 
> >> like
> >>  from now on. Be creative.
> >
> > Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.  Are 
> > you using
> > direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news server 
> > doesn't accept
> > posts.
> >
> > Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the mailing 
> > list to post
> > and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of any other 
> > newsgroups
> > where you can't post.
> 
> I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers.
> Probably most of us that post here use moz.
> news.mozilla.org
> mozilla.support.seamonkey
> mozilla.test
> mozilla.support.firefox
> etc.

Do you have a username and password?  The only setting that is different 
between using eternal-september and news.mozilla.org is the security setting.  
So I set that with news.mozilla.org and now it is asking me for a user name  
and password.  How would I get that? 

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[gnuarm . deletethisbit]

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:22:24 PM UTC-4, David H. Durgee wrote:
> Rick Collins wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 3:47:58 PM UTC-4, NFN Smith wrote:
> >> MozUser wrote:
> >>> Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates
> >>>
> >>> Laptop up for hours.
> >>>
> >>> Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY.
> >>>
> >>> Seamonkey super sluggish.
> >>>
> >>> I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just
> >>> as sluggish.
> >>> Sluggish:
> >>>click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond.
> >>> whirling cursor just whirls
> >>>click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no
> >>> post test seen).
> >>>
> >>> Restart Seamonkey and get the same result.
> >>>
> >>> Process Explorer show 45% IDLE
> >>> SEamonkey 20%
> >>> MsMpEng 20%
> >>> All others in fractions%
> >>>
> >>> So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after
> >>> many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to
> >>> fractional%
> >>>
> >>> What is going on ?
> >>> What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ?
> >>> What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> There's a lot of possible bottlenecks -- some may be related directly to
> >> Seamonkey, some related to your operating system, some may be related to
> >> your hardware, and some could have multiple sources working against each
> >> other simultaneously.
> >>
> >> Some suggestions:
> >>
> >> 1) There could be issues with your user profile, particularly
> >> extensions.  Try restarting Seamonkey in Safe Mode, and see what
> >> happens.  If you get better performance, then you may want to consider
> >> permanent removal of certain extensions, or perhaps re-install of
> >> extensions.
> >>
> >> BTW, don't bother with trying to uninstall/reinstall Seamonkey, unless
> >> you have positive reason to believe that there is likely corruption to
> >> either program binaries or the Windows registry.  In Win 7 and later,
> >> those kinds of issues are very unusual.
> >>
> >> 2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're
> >> interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's
> >> easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of
> >> other things that are causing performance issues.
> >
> > I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when doing 
> > simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the highlighting stop, 
> > inability to select anything, essentially the user interface freezes.  At 
> > times it would take minutes for it to return.  SeaMonkey does the same 
> > sorts of things, but it returns a lot more quickly.
> >
> > The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays.  Monitoring the 
> > state of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging *any* 
> > resource that would slow SeaMonkey.
> >
> >
> >> There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV
> >> scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.  Another
> >> possibility is memory usage, especially if you have lots of things that
> >> auto-start when you log into Windows. It's common for installed software
> >> to self-optimize, by setting itself to auto-start, and developers tend
> >> to focus on optimizing their stuff, without regard to user preferences
> >> (unless you remember to opt out).  Two things that consume a *lot* of
> >> resources are Adobe Reader and LibreOffice.  If you make constant use of
> >> either of those, it may make sense to auto-start, and you get faster
> >> performance.  But if you use only occasionally, there's no reason to
> >> have those loaded into memory, especially if doing so inhibits other use
> >> of the computer.
> >
> > These things would show up in Task Manager.  When I bring my machine out of 
> > hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for a minute 
> > or three.  I can see that happen and the entire machine is affected.  So I 
> > can't understand how anything like this would sap a single application.
> >
> >
> >> Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins. I
> >> don't remember if current versions are set to auto-start, as a default.
> >> In any case, other PDF readers, (FoxIt, Pdf-Xchange, SumatraPDF) are all
> >> considerably less demanding on system resources. And there's lots of
> >> small stuff that may be self-loading, as well.  It's worth running
> >> MSConfig (or perhaps CCleaner) to see what's auto-starting, and pare
> >> that down as much as possible.
> >
> > Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever.  I use lightweight PDF 
> > viewers like Sumatra and Foxit.
> >
> >
> >> If you have an AV scanner that's running, you may want to tweak settings
> >> so that it's not trying to do a full system scan at a time that you're
> >> normally trying to get work done. If you normally shut your system down
> >> at night, then there's a lot of processes that may be set to run
> >> 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Richard Alan]

Rick Collins wrote:

> Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.  Are
> you using direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla
> news server doesn't accept posts.

There must have been some error in your newsreader setup, as the Mozilla 
server does accept posts. Witness this one...
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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is hawking the qbids
scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure out what to 
do
with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might try something like
 from now on. Be creative.


Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.  Are you 
using
direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news server doesn't 
accept
posts.

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the mailing list 
to post
and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of any other 
newsgroups
where you can't post.


I have always posted to the moz groups using the moz news servers.
Probably most of us that post here use moz.
news.mozilla.org
mozilla.support.seamonkey
mozilla.test
mozilla.support.firefox
etc.

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[David H. Durgee]

Rick Collins wrote:

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 3:47:58 PM UTC-4, NFN Smith wrote:

MozUser wrote:

Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates

Laptop up for hours.

Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY.

Seamonkey super sluggish.

I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just
as sluggish.
Sluggish:
   click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond.
whirling cursor just whirls
   click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no
post test seen).

Restart Seamonkey and get the same result.

Process Explorer show 45% IDLE
SEamonkey 20%
MsMpEng 20%
All others in fractions%

So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after
many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to
fractional%

What is going on ?
What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ?
What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it?



There's a lot of possible bottlenecks -- some may be related directly to
Seamonkey, some related to your operating system, some may be related to
your hardware, and some could have multiple sources working against each
other simultaneously.

Some suggestions:

1) There could be issues with your user profile, particularly
extensions.  Try restarting Seamonkey in Safe Mode, and see what
happens.  If you get better performance, then you may want to consider
permanent removal of certain extensions, or perhaps re-install of
extensions.

BTW, don't bother with trying to uninstall/reinstall Seamonkey, unless
you have positive reason to believe that there is likely corruption to
either program binaries or the Windows registry.  In Win 7 and later,
those kinds of issues are very unusual.

2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're
interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's
easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of
other things that are causing performance issues.


I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when doing 
simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the highlighting stop, 
inability to select anything, essentially the user interface freezes.  At times 
it would take minutes for it to return.  SeaMonkey does the same sorts of 
things, but it returns a lot more quickly.

The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays.  Monitoring the state 
of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging *any* resource that 
would slow SeaMonkey.



There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV
scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.  Another
possibility is memory usage, especially if you have lots of things that
auto-start when you log into Windows. It's common for installed software
to self-optimize, by setting itself to auto-start, and developers tend
to focus on optimizing their stuff, without regard to user preferences
(unless you remember to opt out).  Two things that consume a *lot* of
resources are Adobe Reader and LibreOffice.  If you make constant use of
either of those, it may make sense to auto-start, and you get faster
performance.  But if you use only occasionally, there's no reason to
have those loaded into memory, especially if doing so inhibits other use
of the computer.


These things would show up in Task Manager.  When I bring my machine out of 
hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for a minute or 
three.  I can see that happen and the entire machine is affected.  So I can't 
understand how anything like this would sap a single application.



Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins. I
don't remember if current versions are set to auto-start, as a default.
In any case, other PDF readers, (FoxIt, Pdf-Xchange, SumatraPDF) are all
considerably less demanding on system resources. And there's lots of
small stuff that may be self-loading, as well.  It's worth running
MSConfig (or perhaps CCleaner) to see what's auto-starting, and pare
that down as much as possible.


Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever.  I use lightweight PDF viewers 
like Sumatra and Foxit.



If you have an AV scanner that's running, you may want to tweak settings
so that it's not trying to do a full system scan at a time that you're
normally trying to get work done. If you normally shut your system down
at night, then there's a lot of processes that may be set to run
overnight, and if they don't run at the scheduled time, then they'll try
to get caught up at the first opportunity later.  Sometimes, a machine
can be exceptionally busy for the first 10 or 15 minutes after being
started (or revived out of sleep or hibernate modes).


AV always runs, but only does scans at night.  When it causes delays it shows 
up in Task Manager as saturating the disk drive.



3) Hardware can be a problem, too.  The most common area of question is
RAM -- if you're running a machine with 4 GB of RAM, and you typically
use more than that, 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[gnuarm . deletethisbit]

Ok, I created a Google account just for this and won't worry with receiving 
emails to it spam or otherwise... :) 

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Rick Collins]

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Rick Collins wrote:
> 
> > Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
> > hawking the qbids scam with this subject line.
> 
> That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure out 
> what to do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might 
> try something like  from now on. Be 
> creative.

Maybe I am posting differently from you.  I am using Google groups.  Are you 
using direct email?  I tried using a newsreader, but the Mozilla news server 
doesn't accept posts.  

Google Groups is pretty crappy, maybe I'd be better off using the mailing list 
to post and the newsgroup to read.  This is very odd.  I don't know of any 
other newsgroups where you can't post. 

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rick Collins wrote:


Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is
hawking the qbids scam with this subject line.


That's why many of us munge our email addresses. Humans can figure out 
what to do with the distortions, but spambots are too stupid. You might 
try something like  from now on. Be 
creative.


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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Rick Collins]

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-4, Rick Collins wrote:
> 
> The common denominator is T-Bird and SeaMonkey (which have much common code 
> and architecture) as well as the fact that it is seen in both SeaMonkey apps 
> I use.  If there were general problems with my machine I would expect to see 
> it manifest in other apps. 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick

Shoot!  I am getting spam because of posting here!  Someone is hawking the 
qbids scam with this subject line. 

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Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[Rick Collins]

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 3:47:58 PM UTC-4, NFN Smith wrote:
> MozUser wrote:
> > Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates
> > 
> > Laptop up for hours.
> > 
> > Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY.
> > 
> > Seamonkey super sluggish.
> > 
> > I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just 
> > as sluggish.
> > Sluggish:
> >click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond. 
> > whirling cursor just whirls
> >click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no 
> > post test seen).
> > 
> > Restart Seamonkey and get the same result.
> > 
> > Process Explorer show 45% IDLE
> > SEamonkey 20%
> > MsMpEng 20%
> > All others in fractions%
> > 
> > So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after 
> > many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to 
> > fractional%
> > 
> > What is going on ?
> > What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ?
> > What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it?
> > 
> 
> There's a lot of possible bottlenecks -- some may be related directly to 
> Seamonkey, some related to your operating system, some may be related to 
> your hardware, and some could have multiple sources working against each 
> other simultaneously.
> 
> Some suggestions:
> 
> 1) There could be issues with your user profile, particularly 
> extensions.  Try restarting Seamonkey in Safe Mode, and see what 
> happens.  If you get better performance, then you may want to consider 
> permanent removal of certain extensions, or perhaps re-install of 
> extensions.
> 
> BTW, don't bother with trying to uninstall/reinstall Seamonkey, unless 
> you have positive reason to believe that there is likely corruption to 
> either program binaries or the Windows registry.  In Win 7 and later, 
> those kinds of issues are very unusual.
> 
> 2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're 
> interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's 
> easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of 
> other things that are causing performance issues.

I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when doing 
simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the highlighting stop, 
inability to select anything, essentially the user interface freezes.  At times 
it would take minutes for it to return.  SeaMonkey does the same sorts of 
things, but it returns a lot more quickly.  

The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays.  Monitoring the state 
of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging *any* resource that 
would slow SeaMonkey. 


> There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV 
> scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.  Another 
> possibility is memory usage, especially if you have lots of things that 
> auto-start when you log into Windows. It's common for installed software 
> to self-optimize, by setting itself to auto-start, and developers tend 
> to focus on optimizing their stuff, without regard to user preferences 
> (unless you remember to opt out).  Two things that consume a *lot* of 
> resources are Adobe Reader and LibreOffice.  If you make constant use of 
> either of those, it may make sense to auto-start, and you get faster 
> performance.  But if you use only occasionally, there's no reason to 
> have those loaded into memory, especially if doing so inhibits other use 
> of the computer.

These things would show up in Task Manager.  When I bring my machine out of 
hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for a minute or 
three.  I can see that happen and the entire machine is affected.  So I can't 
understand how anything like this would sap a single application.  


> Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins. I 
> don't remember if current versions are set to auto-start, as a default. 
> In any case, other PDF readers, (FoxIt, Pdf-Xchange, SumatraPDF) are all 
> considerably less demanding on system resources. And there's lots of 
> small stuff that may be self-loading, as well.  It's worth running 
> MSConfig (or perhaps CCleaner) to see what's auto-starting, and pare 
> that down as much as possible.

Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever.  I use lightweight PDF viewers 
like Sumatra and Foxit.  


> If you have an AV scanner that's running, you may want to tweak settings 
> so that it's not trying to do a full system scan at a time that you're 
> normally trying to get work done. If you normally shut your system down 
> at night, then there's a lot of processes that may be set to run 
> overnight, and if they don't run at the scheduled time, then they'll try 
> to get caught up at the first opportunity later.  Sometimes, a machine 
> can be exceptionally busy for the first 10 or 15 minutes after being 
> started (or revived out of sleep or hibernate modes).

AV always runs, but only does scans at night.  When 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[NFN Smith]

MozUser wrote:

Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates

Laptop up for hours.

Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY.

Seamonkey super sluggish.

I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just 
as sluggish.

Sluggish:
   click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond. 
whirling cursor just whirls
   click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no 
post test seen).


Restart Seamonkey and get the same result.

Process Explorer show 45% IDLE
SEamonkey 20%
MsMpEng 20%
All others in fractions%

So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after 
many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to 
fractional%


What is going on ?
What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ?
What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it?



There's a lot of possible bottlenecks -- some may be related directly to 
Seamonkey, some related to your operating system, some may be related to 
your hardware, and some could have multiple sources working against each 
other simultaneously.


Some suggestions:

1) There could be issues with your user profile, particularly 
extensions.  Try restarting Seamonkey in Safe Mode, and see what 
happens.  If you get better performance, then you may want to consider 
permanent removal of certain extensions, or perhaps re-install of 
extensions.


BTW, don't bother with trying to uninstall/reinstall Seamonkey, unless 
you have positive reason to believe that there is likely corruption to 
either program binaries or the Windows registry.  In Win 7 and later, 
those kinds of issues are very unusual.


2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're 
interacting with other applications?  If you live in Seamonkey, it's 
easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of 
other things that are causing performance issues.


There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV 
scanning, other applications that are updating, etc.  Another 
possibility is memory usage, especially if you have lots of things that 
auto-start when you log into Windows. It's common for installed software 
to self-optimize, by setting itself to auto-start, and developers tend 
to focus on optimizing their stuff, without regard to user preferences 
(unless you remember to opt out).  Two things that consume a *lot* of 
resources are Adobe Reader and LibreOffice.  If you make constant use of 
either of those, it may make sense to auto-start, and you get faster 
performance.  But if you use only occasionally, there's no reason to 
have those loaded into memory, especially if doing so inhibits other use 
of the computer.


Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins. I 
don't remember if current versions are set to auto-start, as a default. 
In any case, other PDF readers, (FoxIt, Pdf-Xchange, SumatraPDF) are all 
considerably less demanding on system resources. And there's lots of 
small stuff that may be self-loading, as well.  It's worth running 
MSConfig (or perhaps CCleaner) to see what's auto-starting, and pare 
that down as much as possible.


If you have an AV scanner that's running, you may want to tweak settings 
so that it's not trying to do a full system scan at a time that you're 
normally trying to get work done. If you normally shut your system down 
at night, then there's a lot of processes that may be set to run 
overnight, and if they don't run at the scheduled time, then they'll try 
to get caught up at the first opportunity later.  Sometimes, a machine 
can be exceptionally busy for the first 10 or 15 minutes after being 
started (or revived out of sleep or hibernate modes).


3) Hardware can be a problem, too.  The most common area of question is 
RAM -- if you're running a machine with 4 GB of RAM, and you typically 
use more than that, then you're going to be doing a lot of memory 
swapping to hard disk, and you'll notice that in performance.


I also find slowness issues with hard drives:

- Check your disk usage.  If your hard drive is more than 50% capacity, 
it will be slower than if you have less.  If you're at 2/3 capacity, 
you'll notice performance issues.  If the disk is at 3/4 capacity, it's 
effectively "full", and you'll see significant performance issues.  The 
issue is a physical limitation with hard drives -- the more data that is 
stored, the more work that has to be done to locate specific data (or 
empty blocks).  Defragging may help a little bit, but probably not a 
lot.  If you're in the habit of dumping the contents of your camera's SD 
card onto your hard drive, or if you have a big music collection, you 
need to get that stuff moved to other media.  It's not that that stuff 
isn't important, but your primary hard drive is not a good place to do 
long-term archival storage, for stuff that you don't need every day.  If 
the drive is full, then there's no reason to let your archives interfere 
with 

Re: Seamonkey super sluggish

[WaltS48]

On 5/25/17 1:21 PM, MozUser wrote:

Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates

Laptop up for hours.

Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY.

Seamonkey super sluggish.

I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just 
as sluggish.

Sluggish:
   click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond. 
whirling cursor just whirls
   click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no 
post test seen).


Restart Seamonkey and get the same result.

Process Explorer show 45% IDLE
SEamonkey 20%
MsMpEng 20%
All others in fractions%

So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after 
many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to 
fractional%


What is going on ?


No idea.


What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ?


No idea. I see the same complaints about Firefox and Thunderbird.

I've experienced them a bit myself with my laptop running only for minutes.


What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it?



In my case I think Win10 and Dell are checking for updates. Windows 
Defender is updating virus definitions. Sometimes it does an automatic 
scan if I haven't done one manually for a few days.


I stop it by using my Linux desktop as my production machine. The laptop 
is a test platform.


Did I mention it takes foreeveer for those 
apps to launch.


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