Re: What happens next?

[Rob Steinmetz]

Rubens wrote:



Seamonkey exists not in any Ubuntu, Debian, nor Red Hat/Fedora
repository I checked out, nor any other Linux package. 


That is not correct.

Seamonkey exists for decades in SUSE Linux:

https://packagehub.suse.com/packages/seamonkey/


Try the UbuntuZilla APT repository for Ubuntu. It is regularly updated.
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Re: What happens next?

[MRoss-GMX]

Re: What happens next?

Again I ask, is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?  No.

Is Seamonkey offered, exposed, shown to users as an option when they
view Linux Package alternatives in the software/application package
repo/kiosk after the install process?  Seldom it seems.

More below...


Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:08 +0100 Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That would certainly help of course!

With total respect for everybody reading and those responding to this
list, certainly to Seamonkey developers:

Question: Is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?

Until Seamonkey is distributed and installable like Firefox has been,
available via every repository/kiosk possible, it will not receive
attention, interest, nor respect from ignorant users. --
(Ignorant means lack of knowing!, Not Stupid Nor Dumb!)


I don't think that SeaMonkey is suitable for every user. The trend is to dumb
down software and unless the interface is simple and the program does
everything right you would just be flooded with support tickets. Looking
aorund I see people even more helpless than 20 years before when they have a
problem. So SM will probably stay as a niche browser for power usewrs.


I am sure you are correct about Seamonkey not being for everybody! No
application is for everybody! That is the beauty of Linux compared to
MS Windows, and all the possible applications we have access to in
Linux, more often than not.

Yet Seamonkey is hidden to most everybody loading Ubuntu - the prime
Linux spearhead for years now, and others like Mint, Debian, Fedora,
..., and recently I now see SUSE is coming up to the top ten installed
packages(I thank the post for the info; from another thread fork).

I missed reviewing SUSE recently as I did not like it 5-6 years ago,
and so did not find it had Seamonkey in the repo/kiosk. I thank the
other poster here for enlightening me on SUSE, I missed it. Yet the
issue remains; Seamonkey is still basically hidden.

Seamonkey is far easier to use than Firefox and Thunderbird, from my
experience, and from other People I correspond with. Both FF and TB
cause me to stumble, it's irritating. Seamonkey is more natural
somehow, easier to use, and People I know agree. It is far more
capable too. Firefox is missing too much of what SM offers.

One guy I know tossed his Acer Aspire 5050 AMD Turion 64 computer in
the trash over FF and webmail pages, refused to even look further. I
use it now - this is it talking to you with Ubuntu Mate 18.04 LTS and
Seamonkey 2.49.5! The guy now uses an LG Tracfone for everything, his
wife suffers an MS Windows mess she hates. So agitated were they I
was unable to get them to even look at Linux nor anything else. Damage
done. They are now Dvoid Google-Android users - mostly. Including
their Android TV system via cable; a Walmart offering.


If money would really help Seamonkey, we all need to donate as best we
can. But only to Seamonkey, not to Mozilla nor Firefox. Seamonkey
needs support, developers, liberated.



Monkey is needed to pay the bills for azure builders and the other servers.
More needed are people dedicated to help and able to work it out with minimal
guiding.
FRG


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Re: What happens next?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

MRoss-GMX wrote:

Re: What happens next?


Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That would certainly help of course!

With total respect for everybody reading and those responding to this
list, certainly to Seamonkey developers:

Question: Is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?

Until Seamonkey is distributed and installable like Firefox has been,
available via every repository/kiosk possible, it will not receive
attention, interest, nor respect from ignorant users. --
(Ignorant means lack of knowing!, Not Stupid Nor Dumb!)


I don't think that SeaMonkey is suitable for every user. The trend is to dumb 
down software and unless the interface is simple and the program does 
everything right you would just be flooded with support tickets. Looking 
aorund I see people even more helpless than 20 years before when they have a 
problem. So SM will probably stay as a niche browser for power usewrs.



If money would really help Seamonkey, we all need to donate as best we
can. But only to Seamonkey, not to Mozilla nor Firefox. Seamonkey
needs support, developers, liberated.


Monkey is needed to pay the bills for azure builders and the other servers. 
More needed are people dedicated to help and able to work it out with minimal 
guiding.



Maybe "Tor" would be a good addition to Seamonkey. It seems to be
failing with Firefox, at least since it was hacked by the Feds. They
are begging for money too! Firefox is not secure, I am not sure about
Seamonkey.



FRG
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Re: What happens next?

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 26/02/2020 12:49 AM:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
2.49.4 is in the current Opensuse repository although it is not 
installed by default (and has not been since it was called Netscape 
4.8 or so).
2.49.5 is in the mozilla/experimental repository but I can't get 
Lightning to work properly on my experimental machine so I'm sticking 
with this level for the time being.


If they built with --disable-calendar or not enabling it Lightning 
will not work. There are some binary components which need to go into 
SeaMonkey.


I am using a locally self compiled 2.53.1 with OpenSuse. I suggest 
just using the official version from seamonkey-project.org



FRG


I have copied my entire /home filesystem - not just the .mozilla part - 
to this updated machine and now Lightning is behaving as it should. Does 
Lightning use files outside the .mozilla subdirectory?  (I should 
probably ask that somewhere else).


(I should probably ask that somewhere else).  Yeap, somewhere else 
like mozilla.support.calendar newsgroup on this same news server, I'm 
guessing, Don! ;-P


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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: What happens next?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
2.49.4 is in the current Opensuse repository although it is not 
installed by default (and has not been since it was called Netscape 
4.8 or so).
2.49.5 is in the mozilla/experimental repository but I can't get 
Lightning to work properly on my experimental machine so I'm sticking 
with this level for the time being.


If they built with --disable-calendar or not enabling it Lightning will 
not work. There are some binary components which need to go into SeaMonkey.


I am using a locally self compiled 2.53.1 with OpenSuse. I suggest just 
using the official version from seamonkey-project.org



FRG


I have copied my entire /home filesystem - not just the .mozilla part - 
to this updated machine and now Lightning is behaving as it should. 
Does Lightning use files outside the .mozilla subdirectory?  (I should 
probably ask that somewhere else).


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Re: What happens next?

[Felix Miata]

Rubens via support-seamonkey composed on 2020-02-25 01:41 (UTC+0100):
 
>> Seamonkey exists not in any Ubuntu, Debian, nor Red Hat/Fedora
>> repository I checked out, nor any other Linux package. 
 
> That is not correct.
 
> Seamonkey exists for decades in SUSE Linux:
 
> https://packagehub.suse.com/packages/seamonkey/

Also:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/1.0/seamonkey-1.0.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Leap_15.2/x86_64/seamonkey-2.49.5-lp152.6.3.x86_64.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Leap_15.1/x86_64/seamonkey-2.49.5-lp151.6.2.x86_64.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64/seamonkey-2.49.5-6.5.x86_64.rpm
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/i586/seamonkey-2.49.4-1.147.i586.rpm
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/linux-x86_64/
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/linux-i686/
http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=seamonkey
https://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mageia/7/i586/media/core/release/iceape-2.49.4-2.mga7.i586.html
https://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mageia/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/iceape-2.49.4-2.mga7.x86_64.html
https://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mageia/1/x86_64/media/core/release/iceape-2.0.14-2.mga1.x86_64.html
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Re: What happens next?

[Rubens via support-seamonkey]

Seamonkey exists not in any Ubuntu, Debian, nor Red Hat/Fedora
repository I checked out, nor any other Linux package. 


That is not correct.

Seamonkey exists for decades in SUSE Linux:

https://packagehub.suse.com/packages/seamonkey/
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Re: What happens next?

[MRoss-GMX]

Re: What happens next?


Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That would certainly help of course!

With total respect for everybody reading and those responding to this
list, certainly to Seamonkey developers:

Question: Is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?

Until Seamonkey is distributed and installable like Firefox has been,
available via every repository/kiosk possible, it will not receive
attention, interest, nor respect from ignorant users. --
(Ignorant means lack of knowing!, Not Stupid Nor Dumb!)

Youtube type videos might help attract attention, but must be exposed
more, like maybe add this to our email signature block:
-snip-
 Many videos on Seamonkey Browser:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=seamonkey+browser
-snip-

And Seamonkey must be installable like a cheap cellfone Dvoid app.
Find it, push a button, use it.

If money would really help Seamonkey, we all need to donate as best we
can. But only to Seamonkey, not to Mozilla nor Firefox. Seamonkey
needs support, developers, liberated.

Maybe "Tor" would be a good addition to Seamonkey. It seems to be
failing with Firefox, at least since it was hacked by the Feds. They
are begging for money too! Firefox is not secure, I am not sure about
Seamonkey.

Thank You for reading!

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Re: What happens next?

[Ray Davison]

MRoss-GMX wrote:

Many People are not knowledgeable enough to download nor install
Seamonkey, and are lazy anyway.

My suggestion is anyone who wants to use SM learn three things;
Sub-Directory
Unzip
Rename

That makes everything controllable and predictable.

Ray
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Re: What happens next?

[EE]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Cutrently donations and Duck Duck go search engine revenues plus sponsorship 
(watch the website). Don't expect this to change unless we make a deal like 
Waterfox (unlikely).


We would be better off making a deal with Pale Moon.

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Re: What happens next?

[00001lehmeier]

Am Samstag, 22. Februar 2020 21:21:48 UTC+1 schrieb WaltS48:
> On 2/22/20 9:51 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
> > But it would be nice if a little bit more publicity would be made, for 
> > example through articles in magazines and corresponding portals.
> 
> So volunteer and start writing and submitting those articles.
> 
> I think that the SeaMonkey blog is kept up to date when there is a new 
> release.
> 
> 
> 
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> https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/

To write an article, you should also know what you are writing. I myself am 
only a user. So if you want to have an article from a user's point of view I 
can write it, but if you want to name technical stuff and make it public I am 
not the right person.

I never said that the Seamonkeys page is not up to date but only that more 
articles should go outside - because very few people go to this page ( 
 ).  More people read newspapers and 
websites like Heise, Chip, Golem.de, PC-Welt etc. than 
.

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Re: What happens next?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

I too think SM is the best.
But
What IS the market? (even CCleaner has a browser!)


People like use what want a classic interface, plenty of options to customize 
and not a dumbed down mobile screen with tabs. Unfortunately not many left.




How might SM be monetized?



Maybe showing some ads every minute :D

Cutrently donations and Duck Duck go search engine revenues plus sponsorship 
(watch the website). Don't expect this to change unless we make a deal like 
Waterfox (unlikely).


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Re: What happens next?

[meagain]

 Original Message 

I do not expect miracles, but I am happy that it continues.
As for marketing, I don't expect the whole world to install SM and sweep 
Thunderbird and Co. off the market.

But it would be nice if a little bit more publicity would be made, for example 
through articles in magazines and corresponding portals.
It would surely be nice if some SM would try it and stick to it if they knew 
that there is continuity and that they don't have to look for a new program 
soon.
I wish you a lot of success and that you find possibilities to continue.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)



I too think SM is the best.
But
What IS the market? (even CCleaner has a browser!)
How might SM be monetized?

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Re: What happens next?

[BERTRAND Joël]

Richard Owlett a écrit :
> On 02/22/2020 06:23 PM, MRoss-GMX wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> Once updated for the 64bit laptop and 2.49.5, youtube still complained
>> until I added Firefox/52.0 compatibility. So youtube still works under
>> the older Firefox/52.0 ; I will keep Firefox/62.0 in mind for future
>> need though. Thanks.
>>
>> Still I don't like needing that, I would prefer Seamonkey to be more
>> respected and accepted. If only it could be loaded as an option in
>> many repositories/kiosks associated with Linux distributions, like
>> Firefox and other browsers are. Even if an older version, a user could
>> find it, install it, update it after installing the distro.
> 
> It was in the Debian repositories. IIRC there was some conflict official
> Mozilla policy and Debian policy/procedures.
> 
>> Put it in
>> users face anyway, somehow. The Play Apps Store routine works.
> 
> I run the x86 flavor of Debian. The installation from
> [https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.49.5.tar.bz2]
> was *TRIVIAL*!
> Download, unzip, point to executable, ENJOY.

Add in /etc/apt/sources.list this line

deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all
main

hilbert:[~] > dpkg-query -l | grep seamonkey
ii  seamonkey-mozilla-build   2.49.5-0ubuntu1
  amd64Mozilla Seamonkey, official Mozilla build,
packaged for Ubuntu by the Ubuntuzilla project.

JKB
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Re: What happens next?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
2.49.4 is in the current Opensuse repository although it is not installed by 
default (and has not been since it was called Netscape 4.8 or so).
2.49.5 is in the mozilla/experimental repository but I can't get Lightning to 
work properly on my experimental machine so I'm sticking with this level for 
the time being.


If they built with --disable-calendar or not enabling it Lightning will not 
work. There are some binary components which need to go into SeaMonkey.


I am using a locally self compiled 2.53.1 with OpenSuse. I suggest just using 
the official version from seamonkey-project.org



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Re: What happens next?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

MRoss-GMX wrote:

Re: What happens next?


Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:11 -0700 EE wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

Though Youtube is now flashing me
that "We'll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience
please update your browser." I play with the user-agent, no fix yet.


I set up a user-agent override for YouTube, claiming that SeaMonkey is
Firefox 62.  It works.  I no longer get the warning banner.


Thanks for reminding me, I was asleep, no coffee for weeks.

Though I had a useragent override for youtube installed via
about:config since my previous laptop, I used/copied the profile from
the old 32bit laptop I decommissioned. I had not updated it for the
X86-64 Acer nor w-Seamonkey 2.49.5. And it did not include the Firefox
entry for compatibility either.

Once updated for the 64bit laptop and 2.49.5, youtube still complained
until I added Firefox/52.0 compatibility. So youtube still works under
the older Firefox/52.0 ; I will keep Firefox/62.0 in mind for future
need though. Thanks.

Still I don't like needing that, I would prefer Seamonkey to be more
respected and accepted. If only it could be loaded as an option in
many repositories/kiosks associated with Linux distributions, like
Firefox and other browsers are. Even if an older version, a user could
find it, install it, update it after installing the distro. Put it in
users face anyway, somehow. The Play Apps Store routine works.

To do all that is work. I know the developers are shorthanded,
overloaded, and I am not in any situation to help that way.

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2.49.4 is in the current Opensuse repository although it is not 
installed by default (and has not been since it was called Netscape 4.8 
or so).
2.49.5 is in the mozilla/experimental repository but I can't get 
Lightning to work properly on my experimental machine so I'm sticking 
with this level for the time being.


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Re: What happens next?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/22/2020 06:23 PM, MRoss-GMX wrote:

[SNIP]
Once updated for the 64bit laptop and 2.49.5, youtube still complained
until I added Firefox/52.0 compatibility. So youtube still works under
the older Firefox/52.0 ; I will keep Firefox/62.0 in mind for future
need though. Thanks.

Still I don't like needing that, I would prefer Seamonkey to be more
respected and accepted. If only it could be loaded as an option in
many repositories/kiosks associated with Linux distributions, like
Firefox and other browsers are. Even if an older version, a user could
find it, install it, update it after installing the distro.


It was in the Debian repositories. IIRC there was some conflict official 
Mozilla policy and Debian policy/procedures.



Put it in
users face anyway, somehow. The Play Apps Store routine works.


I run the x86 flavor of Debian. The installation from 
[https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.49.5.tar.bz2] 
was *TRIVIAL*!

Download, unzip, point to executable, ENJOY.



To do all that is work. I know the developers are shorthanded,
overloaded, and I am not in any situation to help that way.




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Re: What happens next?

[WaltS48]

On 2/22/20 7:23 PM, MRoss-GMX wrote:

Re: What happens next?


Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:11 -0700 EE wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

Though Youtube is now flashing me
that "We'll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience
please update your browser." I play with the user-agent, no fix yet.


I set up a user-agent override for YouTube, claiming that SeaMonkey is
Firefox 62.  It works.  I no longer get the warning banner.


Thanks for reminding me, I was asleep, no coffee for weeks.

Though I had a useragent override for youtube installed via
about:config since my previous laptop, I used/copied the profile from
the old 32bit laptop I decommissioned. I had not updated it for the
X86-64 Acer nor w-Seamonkey 2.49.5. And it did not include the Firefox
entry for compatibility either.

Once updated for the 64bit laptop and 2.49.5, youtube still complained
until I added Firefox/52.0 compatibility. So youtube still works under
the older Firefox/52.0 ; I will keep Firefox/62.0 in mind for future
need though. Thanks.

Still I don't like needing that, I would prefer Seamonkey to be more
respected and accepted. If only it could be loaded as an option in
many repositories/kiosks associated with Linux distributions, like
Firefox and other browsers are. Even if an older version, a user could
find it, install it, update it after installing the distro. Put it in
users face anyway, somehow. The Play Apps Store routine works.

To do all that is work. I know the developers are shorthanded,
overloaded, and I am not in any situation to help that way.



IIRC SeaMonkey was in the Ubuntu repository until Ubuntu 12.04. It was 
dropped since nobody stepped up to maintain it for 5 years.


See: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/987713>

See comment 2 for instructions on how to add it from the Ubuntuzilla 
repository.


I just download and install the tarball from 
<http://www.seamonkey-project.org/>


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Re: What happens next?

[MRoss-GMX]

Re: What happens next?


Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:11 -0700 EE wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

Though Youtube is now flashing me
that "We'll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience
please update your browser." I play with the user-agent, no fix yet.


I set up a user-agent override for YouTube, claiming that SeaMonkey is
Firefox 62.  It works.  I no longer get the warning banner.


Thanks for reminding me, I was asleep, no coffee for weeks.

Though I had a useragent override for youtube installed via
about:config since my previous laptop, I used/copied the profile from
the old 32bit laptop I decommissioned. I had not updated it for the
X86-64 Acer nor w-Seamonkey 2.49.5. And it did not include the Firefox
entry for compatibility either.

Once updated for the 64bit laptop and 2.49.5, youtube still complained
until I added Firefox/52.0 compatibility. So youtube still works under
the older Firefox/52.0 ; I will keep Firefox/62.0 in mind for future
need though. Thanks.

Still I don't like needing that, I would prefer Seamonkey to be more
respected and accepted. If only it could be loaded as an option in
many repositories/kiosks associated with Linux distributions, like
Firefox and other browsers are. Even if an older version, a user could
find it, install it, update it after installing the distro. Put it in
users face anyway, somehow. The Play Apps Store routine works.

To do all that is work. I know the developers are shorthanded,
overloaded, and I am not in any situation to help that way.

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Re: What happens next?

[WaltS48]

On 2/22/20 9:51 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:

But it would be nice if a little bit more publicity would be made, for example 
through articles in magazines and corresponding portals.


So volunteer and start writing and submitting those articles.

I think that the SeaMonkey blog is kept up to date when there is a new 
release.




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Re: What happens next?

[EE]

MRoss-GMX wrote:

Though Youtube is now flashing me
that "We'll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience
please update your browser." I play with the user-agent, no fix yet.


I set up a user-agent override for YouTube, claiming that SeaMonkey is Firefox 
62.  It works.  I no longer get the warning banner.


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Re: What happens next?

[00001lehmeier]

I do not expect miracles, but I am happy that it continues.
As for marketing, I don't expect the whole world to install SM and sweep 
Thunderbird and Co. off the market.

But it would be nice if a little bit more publicity would be made, for example 
through articles in magazines and corresponding portals. 
It would surely be nice if some SM would try it and stick to it if they knew 
that there is continuity and that they don't have to look for a new program 
soon.
I wish you a lot of success and that you find possibilities to continue.

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Re: What happens next?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

1lehme...@web.de wrote:

Am Samstag, 22. Februar 2020 11:38:51 UTC+1 schrieb Daniel:

1lehme...@web.de wrote on 22/02/2020 8:50 PM:


...




I SeaMonkey "is the best program for this purpose", why are you posting
via Google Groups and/or Google Chrome rather than via SeaMonkey's Mail
& News function

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Because I got an error message there ( Error sending the message. The mail 
server replied:  Incorrect authentication data. Please check if your e-mail 
address is correct in the mail settings and repeat the process. ) and I did not 
feel like taking care of it today.

Apart from that it was answered via Seamonkey - thanks to the browser ;-)



What happes next is simple. 2.53.1 Hopefully in the next 2 weeks. Was cooked 
already but a showstopper bug no one noticed in the last months popped up and 
we do another build today or tomorrow. Then we will continue with 2.53.x 
builds with backports on a regular basis until 2.57 is ready. Then we will 
continue with 2.57.x until we figure out if it is time to close shop or adapt 
the current Mozilla changes.


Not enough developers and supporters around so don't expect a sudden big 
marketing campaign. Most people don't care anyway these days so it will stay 
around as long as possible as a nice browser and email client. The people left 
are still dedicated to continue because we just love SeaMonkey :)


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Re: What happens next?

[00001lehmeier]

Am Samstag, 22. Februar 2020 11:38:51 UTC+1 schrieb Daniel:
> 1lehme...@web.de wrote on 22/02/2020 8:50 PM:

...

> > 
> I SeaMonkey "is the best program for this purpose", why are you posting 
> via Google Groups and/or Google Chrome rather than via SeaMonkey's Mail 
> & News function
> 
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> Daniel
> 
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> Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134
> 
> Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
> Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

Because I got an error message there ( Error sending the message. The mail 
server replied:  Incorrect authentication data. Please check if your e-mail 
address is correct in the mail settings and repeat the process. ) and I did not 
feel like taking care of it today. 

Apart from that it was answered via Seamonkey - thanks to the browser ;-)

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Re: What happens next?

[Daniel]

1lehme...@web.de wrote on 22/02/2020 8:50 PM:

Due to the fact that the development was almost stopped in the last
years many distributions have taken out Seamonkey. When there are
regular releases again, this will probably change again. I hope it
will continue, for me it is the best program for this purpose.

I SeaMonkey "is the best program for this purpose", why are you posting 
via Google Groups and/or Google Chrome rather than via SeaMonkey's Mail 
& News function


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Re: What happens next?

[00001lehmeier]

Due to the fact that the development was almost stopped in the last years many 
distributions have taken out Seamonkey. When there are regular releases again, 
this will probably change again.
I hope it will continue, for me it is the best program for this purpose.
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Re: What happens next?

[Ant]

On 2/21/2020 5:07 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 2/21/20 4:11 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:

But 2 things would still interest me.
1. in which intervals will new versions be released 
onhttp://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/  ?

2. will the automatic update work again soon ?


You can read the meeting notes to keep up on the latest news.




https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-02-23 was posted 
earlier. :)

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Re: What happens next?

[MRoss-GMX]

Re: What happens next?


Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
...
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That might help, but not the primary issue. Many People are not
knowledgeable enough to download nor install Seamonkey, and are lazy
anyway. Microsoft or some Linux irrelevant. The Apps play store
routine is easier for them.

With all due respect for the developers of Seamonkey, and I truly
appreciate their work, especially since I have not needed to replace a
profile now for 3 years, Seamonkey will not be more widely known of,
installed, and used until it is easier for more People to learn of it,
locate it in a repository/kiosk, press an install button, and use it.

Seamonkey exists not in any Ubuntu, Debian, nor Red Hat/Fedora
repository I checked out, nor any other Linux package. I find it at
SeamonkeyProject.org, and Sourceforge via Ubuntuzilla:
https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/

Few People can handle the download, install, setup requirements as it
is, even if they find it at the SeamonkeyProject, or Sourceforge. Few
People can handle the terminal. And they like the Android/Apple play
store concept on their fone.

Many People are ditching a computer and just use a tablet or large
fone for everything. Is Seamonkey available for a fone like Firefox
is, or tablet? No.

I hate and don't trust that Dvoid junk so I keep Linux and Seamonkey
on a laptop.

v2.49.5 seems to be working great on an old Acer Aspire 5050 w-AMD
Turion 64 I acquired; I loaded it with several Ubuntu packages, and a
Fedora Mate, until I settled on Ubuntu Mate 18.04 LTS for the AMD
X86_64, so far User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5; Though Youtube is now flashing me
that "We'll stop supporting this browser soon. For the best experience
please update your browser." I play with the user-agent, no fix yet.

Is Seamonkey found someplace that I am not aware of?

It should be as readily available as Firefox and others, more so in my
mind - being the greater browser it is. I don't like and won't use
Firefox for several reasons; though I am playing around with the fork
to Pale Moon, it is too limiting for me, but better than Firefox for
sure. And I avoid anything Microsoft or Google. I hope nothing from
either of those thieving junk shops is found in Seamonkey!

There is a good video available to compare 3 main browsers, Seamonkey
is one of them; if anyone is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRKbz3nQ7mo

There seems to be other videos there too, but I have not seen them
yet.

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Re: What happens next?

[EE]

1lehme...@web.de wrote:

Hello!
I wonder if you guys are doing the same work as Bill Gianopoulos on his site 
http://www.wg9s.com/ ?

Wouldn't it be more efficient if you continue with 2.57 and he would upload his 
updates for SM 2.53 on your site?

You could concentrate on the upcoming version and he would make sure 2.53 goes 
on.
Or is there any problem with that?

With best regards R.Lehmeier


I think 2.53 should still be the next step.

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Re: What happens next?

[WaltS48]

On 2/21/20 10:29 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 2/21/20 4:11 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:

But 2 things would still interest me.
1. in which intervals will new versions be released on 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/  ?

2. will the automatic update work again soon ?


You can read the meeting notes to keep up on the latest news.




Only nerds can read the meeting notes. Ordinary users need a couple of 
years' training to decipher them. So it would be good marketing practice 
to post a pre-digested version for the masses.




The answer to question one is the interval depends on when the new 
version is ready.


SeaMonkey 2.49.4 was released on July 27, 2018.
SeaMonkey 2.49.5 was released on September 4, 2019
SeaMonkey 2.53.1b1 was released on January 18, 2020 and is getting close 
to an official 2.53.1.




More information will probably be in this Sunday's meeting notes.

The answer to question two is,

"
General SeaMonkey release issues.

ewong tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is 
broken since 2.48.


"

REF: 



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Re: What happens next?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:


On 2/21/20 4:11 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:

But 2 things would still interest me.
1. in which intervals will new versions be released 
on http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/  ?

2. will the automatic update work again soon ?


You can read the meeting notes to keep up on the latest news.




Only nerds can read the meeting notes. Ordinary users need a couple of 
years' training to decipher them. So it would be good marketing practice 
to post a pre-digested version for the masses.


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Re: What happens next?

[WaltS48]

On 2/21/20 4:11 AM, 1lehme...@web.de wrote:

But 2 things would still interest me.
1. in which intervals will new versions be released 
onhttp://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/  ?
2. will the automatic update work again soon ?


You can read the meeting notes to keep up on the latest news.



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Re: What happens next?

[00001lehmeier]

That's good to hear. 
I always thought that he does it as a personal project - without the support of 
the SM team.  Hence my suggestion.

Now I can be happy that SM will be continued and the future is secured.

But 2 things would still interest me.
1. in which intervals will new versions be released on 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ ?
2. will the automatic update work again soon ?

Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it is updated 
automatically and regularly. 

Reliability is important and is appreciated and expected by people.

Once again a big thank you for your work.


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Re: What happens next?

[Daniel]

1lehme...@web.de wrote on 21/02/2020 9:08 AM:

Hello! I wonder if you guys are doing the same work as Bill
Gianopoulos on his site http://www.wg9s.com/ ?

Wouldn't it be more efficient if you continue with 2.57 and he would
upload his updates for SM 2.53 on your site?

You could concentrate on the upcoming version and he would make sure
2.53 goes on. Or is there any problem with that?

With best regards R.Lehmeier

Bill is part of the Development team for SeaMonkey. The SM versions he 
releases on his site are, essential, trial versions of what might become 
the final Release version of SeaMonkey.


He Does a lot of the Development work for SeaMonkey  and for Firefox 
and for Thunderbird, I believe.


The effort Bill puts into SeaMonkey is very greatly appreciated by those 
who post and/or lurk hereabouts!!


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