Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Le 14 février 2012, Doors a écrit : What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and obvious. You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed, and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to just click, now I have to navigate, why? Agreed. But you get the tree by clicking the rightmost arrow of the Folder: line (BTW, having two arrows side-by-side is akward and puzzling). Another SQL file? Is importing a text file hard? I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy disaster of an interface I am forced to use. I think using an SQL database editor would fit your need. But the learning curve might be rather steep... Simple text and html files work just fine, why push all this fancy stuff that takes more CPU time to run? Not so sure. Once it is memory, it is all just a table anyway, what difference does it make how they are stored on the disc? With data nicely structured on disk, you need not load it entirely in memory. Also, a plain array of data is certainly not the best way to manage structured data (like sorted data, or trees). -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Rufus schreef: Snip OTOH, I was a long time holdout on moving away from 2.0.14 because of the wave of user complaints on the initial releases, but now that I've jumped in at 2.6.1 and up I'm somewhat pleased. There are some annoying interface bugs still (which I've submitted bugs on) but overall the only thing I really miss if bookmarks.html for Bookmarks, and I still can't stand the default Theme...but SM Modern is just fine (small buttons in the download dialog boxes notwithstanding). A lot of problems can be solved for me by simply dumping the default Theme. All of the other features (like File Bookmark) are still where I expect them. And I LOVE tabs...took me a bit to configure the way I like, but I got it. You can have your bookmarks.html back about:config entry browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML set the boolean value to true It will create a bookmarks.html file automatically everytime you close Seamonkey. Regards Zanqeutil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Zanqeutil wrote: Rufus schreef: Snip OTOH, I was a long time holdout on moving away from 2.0.14 because of the wave of user complaints on the initial releases, but now that I've jumped in at 2.6.1 and up I'm somewhat pleased. There are some annoying interface bugs still (which I've submitted bugs on) but overall the only thing I really miss if bookmarks.html for Bookmarks, and I still can't stand the default Theme...but SM Modern is just fine (small buttons in the download dialog boxes notwithstanding). A lot of problems can be solved for me by simply dumping the default Theme. All of the other features (like File Bookmark) are still where I expect them. And I LOVE tabs...took me a bit to configure the way I like, but I got it. You can have your bookmarks.html back about:config entry browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML set the boolean value to true It will create a bookmarks.html file automatically everytime you close Seamonkey. Regards Zanqeutil That might be of use, thanks. So far doing a manual Export lets me do what I want as well. Wish I could get rid of the Unsorted Bookmarks folder though. I can't think of a use for it. I always drag and drop into folders, or use File Bookmark. The Unsorted folder is just a nuisance for me. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops. While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use. It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I don't use it. I have come to nearly hate the new version. It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail. Below are my PERSONAL peeves. These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone. If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would. I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and nothing is explained outside of self referential loops. It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt for it to make sense to anyone besides them. They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems uncessarily complicated. Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or ubuntu ready to compile SM? I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me. Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save someone else my headaches. My goal is to add to preferences-browser-tabbed browsing, 'Death before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in omni.ja and the like alone. In the meantime though. First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated, so it is gone. I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page, then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no boxes, just highlighted results. Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness), then recompacting as a zip then copying it back. The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the first time. Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files. I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut. Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay! Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more 'Annoyances' than I expected. What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and obvious. You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed, and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to just click, now I have to navigate, why? Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden? If so, where please? Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file? Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER? Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit. I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again. So how do I get rid of them now? Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at least be able to make it invisible. The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by making it easy to disable. I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers. With an html file this is trivial. With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use. What happened to cookies.txt Another SQL file? Is importing a text file hard? I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy disaster of an interface I am forced to use. And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them all in one go. Why the pre school kinder garden change? I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options. Moves like these give me fewer. Then I get to the cache. I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense. I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore. Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as well. I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago. I let it choose to look after it's own cache. Right now it is at 540MB. 17,602 files in 4,063 directories. Yes, you read that correct. The cache is taking up over 4000 directories. Why? If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are there so many directories. That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess, it is impossible to navigate.
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Doors wrote: I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops. While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use. It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I don't use it. I have come to nearly hate the new version. It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail. Below are my PERSONAL peeves. These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone. If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would. I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and nothing is explained outside of self referential loops. It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt for it to make sense to anyone besides them. They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems uncessarily complicated. Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or ubuntu ready to compile SM? I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me. Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save someone else my headaches. My goal is to add to preferences-browser-tabbed browsing, 'Death before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in omni.ja and the like alone. In the meantime though. First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated, so it is gone. I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page, then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no boxes, just highlighted results. Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness), then recompacting as a zip then copying it back. The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the first time. Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files. I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut. Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay! Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more 'Annoyances' than I expected. What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and obvious. You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed, and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to just click, now I have to navigate, why? Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden? If so, where please? Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file? Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER? Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit. I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again. So how do I get rid of them now? Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at least be able to make it invisible. The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by making it easy to disable. I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers. With an html file this is trivial. With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use. What happened to cookies.txt Another SQL file? Is importing a text file hard? I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy disaster of an interface I am forced to use. And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them all in one go. Why the pre school kinder garden change? I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options. Moves like these give me fewer. Then I get to the cache. I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense. I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore. Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as well. I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago. I let it choose to look after it's own cache. Right now it is at 540MB. 17,602 files in 4,063 directories. Yes, you read that correct. The cache is taking up over 4000 directories. Why? If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are there so many directories. That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess, it is impossible
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Ray_Net wrote: 140++ lines of re-cycled dross, and then I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use ? A signal:noise ratio of worse than 1:140 is not a good way to communicate. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:11:46 -0800 Doors doorsremov...@freedoors.com wrote: Sorry for sounding mad, I am not, just frustrated. I would be far less frustrated if getting started weren't so steep. Then I could just change back what is to my eyes, broken. You're not alone to think like that! Some mind crippled devs apparently want to do as governments does: think for you. Having used firefox sm for a very long time, my conclusion is these people are acting the big corporations sens: cookies very hard to destroy, suddenly NoScript is tremendously slowing down the browser (plugin fault they say...), etc. For myself, holding users in such a contempt is not tolerable, and I hope users will do like me: switch to another browser where devs are listening to users. Jiff -- Lay on, MacDuff, and curs'd be him who first cries, Hold, enough!. -- Shakespeare ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:21:05 +0100 Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use ? mail-client and newsgroup client: claws-mail browser: YMMV, but they might miss the interesting freedom plugins (noscript, addblock, etc) And this is our fault: we lead mozilla to have a de facto monopoly on open-source browsers. -- The average income of the modern teenager is about 2 a.m. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Ray_Net wrote: Doors wrote: I recently made the jump from SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.7, oops. While better on web standards compliance, it is also harder to use. It keeps integrating things from firefox that are part of the reason I don't use it. I have come to nearly hate the new version. It remains usable, but the direction it is going makes it seem like it will soon be just another firefox, but one that handles mail. Below are my PERSONAL peeves. These represent my issues and I speak for myself alone. If I had the skills to change this stuff on my own I would. I am trying to learn, but the directions seem self contradictory and nothing is explained outside of self referential loops. It consists of do this, now this, now this, without any apparent attempt for it to make sense to anyone besides them. They may be trying, it may be just me, but on the whole it seems uncessarily complicated. Would it kill anyone to put out a virtual box image of say fedora or ubuntu ready to compile SM? I am trying to make my own, but so far it makes no sense to me. Once I get one working, I am trying, I will put it up on my site, save someone else my headaches. My goal is to add to preferences-browser-tabbed browsing, 'Death before tabs', then check for that value in the window/tab opener so I can force everything into new windows and leave the delicate stuff in omni.ja and the like alone. In the meantime though. First I had to disable the new find in page 'Feature', yes I put it in quotes because I view it as a anti feature that I realise others may actually be able to use, but fortunately one that is easily eliminated, so it is gone. I use the floating search feature a lot, search for a thing in one page, then simply hit f3 in the rest to do the search over again with no boxes, just highlighted results. Next, after fixing the tabs 'Issue' by disabling all of them in preferences then opening up omni.ja, editing nscontext to force calls to openinnewtab to call openinnewwindow instead(See SM 2.7 tabs happiness), then recompacting as a zip then copying it back. The same process by the way I did for 2.0.14, that actually worked the first time. Eventually finding out that unlike common sense would dictate, SM now CACHES things rather than actually reading the config files. I added '-purgecaches' minus the single quotes to my shortcut. Now when I make a change, it actually happens, yay! Now as I explore the less used portions of the program I am finding more 'Annoyances' than I expected. What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and obvious. You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed, and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to just click, now I have to navigate, why? Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden? If so, where please? Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file? Is importing an HTML file that hard for an HTML BROWSER? Especially since it will EXPORT to and HTML file on exit. I previously edited bookmarks.html to ELIMINATE!!!, the personal toolbar and RSS feeds so I never had to see them again. So how do I get rid of them now? Why would a 'Feature?' be added without the means to get rid of it or at least be able to make it invisible. The new search thingy was annoying, but they did that one right by making it easy to disable. I SHARE my bookmarks with my portable browsers and alternate browsers. With an html file this is trivial. With the sql file, I can copy the legacy file, legacy html generation on exit not enabled by default, but this makes bringing back any changes or additions I made in the portable IMPOSSIBLE, a function I actually use. What happened to cookies.txt Another SQL file? Is importing a text file hard? I used to manage my cookies with notepad++, now I have an unholy disaster of an interface I am forced to use. And to make matters worse, it only works with one domain or cookie at a time, I used to be able to shift or ctrl select all Iwanted and do them all in one go. Why the pre school kinder garden change? I prefer to use open source because it gives me more options. Moves like these give me fewer. Then I get to the cache. I can understand keeping track in a database, it makes perfect sense. I used to raid the cache for recent files, not anymore. Now in addition to being seperated from the profile, it is fragmented as well. I 'upgraded?' to SM2.7 about a week ago. I let it choose to look after it's own cache. Right now it is at 540MB. 17,602 files in 4,063 directories. Yes, you read that correct. The cache is taking up over 4000 directories. Why? If you are using a database, and you assign the files meaningless names anyway,(Annoying but I rarely have to raid the cache anymore so I don't mind sorting by date or whatever, and ztree is my friend.), why are there so many directories. That is part of why I avoided IE, the cache mess,
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I agree with you - however what browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use ? A signal:noise ratio of worse than 1:140 is not a good way to communicate. I agree with you, but what's your answer ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Ray_Net wrote: I agree with you, but what's your answer ? Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I agree with you, but what's your answer ? Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-) The question was: What browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use (SM excluded)? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
On 02/14/2012 07:44 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I agree with you, but what's your answer ? Seamonkey is the answer; what's the question ? :-) The question was: What browser, mail-client and newgroup client do you suggest to use (SM excluded)? Browser: Firefox Mail and News Client: Thunderbird -- Thunderbird Beta | openSUSE 11.4 Linux Get openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/121/en Humans aren't a color of skin, a religion, a sex, a sexual orientation, or a flag. We are human beings and that is how we need to see and treat each other. - Justin Sane ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Vs. SM 2.1 - SM 2.7 (so far) Annoyances
Interviewed by CNN on 14/02/2012 14:11, Doors told the world: What happened to 'File' in bookmarks, it used to be easy, direct and obvious. You selected file, it popped up a tree viewyou could scrioll if needed, and you clicked where you wanted it, now you have to use some funky folder menu you you have to open then navigate, I used to be able to just click, now I have to navigate, why? Is the old USABLE one still there just hidden? If so, where please? Who decided that bookmarks needs to be a bloody sql file? Bookmarks.html was fine, if the only thing you expected from bookmarks was a static list you searched manually. The move to a sql database was part of the Places feature that debuted in Firefox a few years ago, and in Seamonkey in version 2.1. The main advantage is that search inside the places.sqlite is very fast, even if you have several thousand bookmarks. This allows a number of new features, such as: - The history/bookmarks autofill search when you start typing an URL on the address bar; - The little symbol that tells you if you have already bookmarked the current site. Also, the database format is better suited for the Firefox Sync feature -- one that I personally love, since I can have the same bookmarks in my desktop Seamonkey, my desktop Firefox, my Portable Seamonkey and my Android Firefox. A very minor feature is that the website icons are now stored inside the database itself. Under the old system, website icons on bookmarks were almost useless -- they worked only for the sites you visited often. Icons from sites you hadn't visited in a while were cleared from the cache and disappeared from the bookmark lists. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Atari 2600. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.7.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
