Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that 
gives an

explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account 
with

IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set 
it as

the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored 
locally,

create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.




Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated





Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP 
account. Maybe someone could chime in.



Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP 
account in your profile.


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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 9:34 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP


Do you have an url to confirm this?


https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

but it says "Yahoo Mail POP import discontinued". So I don't need "POP Import"
and therefore can forget switching to IMAP?



Yeah I guess so. Lots of noise for nothin'.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[njoracle]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:
>> On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>>> TCW wrote:
 On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
> to IMAP
> and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
> All my past
> emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
> the last
> two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
> explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
> old POP3
> emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?
>

 Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



 If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
 you'll be ok to:

 1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
 IMAP server settings.

 2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
 the Default account.

 3. Delete the POP3 account.

 Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
 create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
 and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
 When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.



>>> Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
>>> it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
>>> folders so this could get complicated
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP 
>> account.
>> Maybe someone could chime in.
> 
> 
> Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP account 
> in
> your profile.
> 
That takes care of the filters. I would first have to create the corresponding
folders in the IMAP account. Is there any .dat file that holds that information?
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 10:05 AM, njoracle wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?


Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.




Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated




Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP account.
Maybe someone could chime in.


Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP account in
your profile.


That takes care of the filters. I would first have to create the corresponding
folders in the IMAP account. Is there any .dat file that holds that information?


In my four Thunderbird's and two SeaMonkey's, I've only copied the 
filters file to my POP3 account after recreating the folders. I get an 
error message if I have forgotten to create a folder and the filter 
can't work.


I've never tried copying the mbox and .msf files from the same folder 
the msgFilterRules.dat is located.


An experiment for another time or day.

But it appears that as pointed out in the other Yahoo thread that it is 
POP import that is being discontinued, so there is no need to set up an 
IMAP account.




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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Richmond]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
>> to IMAP

Do you have an url to confirm this?

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 9:17 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.




Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated





Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP account.
Maybe someone could chime in.



Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP account in
your profile.


Forget the stuff from NJORACLE. That's a pseudonym I use some times.

This article (near the bottom) implies that I may have to change my email
address. If true, I cannot live with that.
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Basics/Switch-from-POP-to-IMAP-account/ta-p/16434



No, no, no. It stays the same. You're simply creating another way to 
access the *same* account.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Arnie Goetchius]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:
>> On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>>> TCW wrote:
 On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
> to IMAP
> and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
> All my past
> emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
> the last
> two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
> explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
> old POP3
> emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?
>

 Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



 If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
 you'll be ok to:

 1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
 IMAP server settings.

 2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
 the Default account.

 3. Delete the POP3 account.

 Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
 create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
 and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
 When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.



>>> Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
>>> it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
>>> folders so this could get complicated
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP 
>> account.
>> Maybe someone could chime in.
> 
> 
> Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP account 
> in
> your profile.
> 
Forget the stuff from NJORACLE. That's a pseudonym I use some times.

This article (near the bottom) implies that I may have to change my email
address. If true, I cannot live with that.
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Basics/Switch-from-POP-to-IMAP-account/ta-p/16434
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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[Richmond]

> I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using 
> Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:
> 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html
> 
> It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of 
> the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.
> 

That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.

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http://www.avg.com


Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com




Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP 
account. Maybe someone could chime in.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Arnie Goetchius]

Richmond wrote:
> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>>> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
>>> to IMAP
> 
> Do you have an url to confirm this?
> 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

but it says "Yahoo Mail POP import discontinued". So I don't need "POP Import"
and therefore can forget switching to IMAP?
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 9:21 AM, Richmond wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP


Do you have an url to confirm this?



From the Yahoo article: 
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Basics/Switch-from-POP-to-IMAP-account/ta-p/16434


Yahoo Mail POP import discontinued, use IMAP instead

If you're using POP (Post Office Protocol) import to pull emails from 
another email account into Yahoo Mail, we encourage you to connect your 
external account via IMAP import. After March 31, 2017, we will no 
longer support POP import on desktop, as we're retiring the legacy 
system that supports this protocol. Any emails previously imported into 
Yahoo Mail will remain.


So yes, back to Defcon 1, POP is not disappearing but import to POP from 
another account is. Still, the hard sell on IMAP implies folks should 
switch. I agree. IMAP is far superiot to POP3.

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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[NoOp]

On 3/16/2017 6:26 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using 
>> Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:
>> 
>> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html
>> 
>> It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of 
>> the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.
>> 
> 
> That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
> getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.
> 
> I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
> are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
> like gmail.
> 

Ah... (que the light bulb above head!) - thanks for pointing that out.
I'm back to reading comprehension classes next week :-)


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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 wrote:



I think that is what I suggested in my Plan A, of creating a separate
mail profile, set it to open only in Mail & Newsgroups, leave it open,
and use whatever browser profile he needs

The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store it in 
a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


ray


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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 12:31 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



I think that is what I suggested in my Plan A, of creating a separate
mail profile, set it to open only in Mail & Newsgroups, leave it open,
and use whatever browser profile he needs

The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store it 
in a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


ray




Okay, please explain the steps to do this process, especially how to not 
have it in a profile.


Richard wants email associated with browser A to be accessible using 
browser B or browser C.


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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 wrote:



The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store
it in a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


Okay, please explain the steps to do this process, especially how to
not have it in a profile.


The app, the profile, and mail all change and fail in their own ways. 
Getting a new version of SM has caused a lot of trauma for some; like 
"lost mail".  Why would you want to replace the profile just because you 
got a new app version?  And why would you want to replace the mail just 
because you got a new profile?  And why would you want to replace any of 
those things just because you got a new OS version?  So I have the OSs 
on an OS drive.  And apps and data on separate partitions on a second 
drive.  And, they get backed up separately; mail often, profile less, 
and OS hardly ever.


So, to answer your question, you must find the pieces.  To find the 
profile, search for PREFS.JS and for mail/news, INBOX.  The profile is a 
sub tree, and the mail is a sub-tree of the profile.   Copy the profile 
tree to a neutral location and then copy the mail tree to a different 
location.


In a previous post I said how to name and place profiles.  After you 
have placed the mail sub-directory, go to:
Mail client > Edit > Mail and News acct settings > Account > Server 
settings > Local directory > Browse


Browse to where you placed the mail tree, and select it.  That account, 
in that profile, will then manage mail in the new location.  Repeat for 
every mail account in every profile.


Have fun

Ray



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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 1:39 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store
it in a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


Okay, please explain the steps to do this process, especially how to
not have it in a profile.


The app, the profile, and mail all change and fail in their own ways. 
Getting a new version of SM has caused a lot of trauma for some; like 
"lost mail".  Why would you want to replace the profile just because 
you got a new app version?  And why would you want to replace the mail 
just because you got a new profile?  And why would you want to replace 
any of those things just because you got a new OS version?  So I have 
the OSs on an OS drive.  And apps and data on separate partitions on a 
second drive.  And, they get backed up separately; mail often, profile 
less, and OS hardly ever.


Richard wants to use mail with each separate browser profile he has, but 
only has mail setup for Browser A as I understand it.




So, to answer your question, you must find the pieces.  To find the 
profile, search for PREFS.JS and for mail/news, INBOX.  The profile is 
a sub tree, and the mail is a sub-tree of the profile.   Copy the 
profile tree to a neutral location and then copy the mail tree to a 
different location.


That can be done and is the hard way.



In a previous post I said how to name and place profiles.  After you 
have placed the mail sub-directory, go to:
Mail client > Edit > Mail and News acct settings > Account > Server 
settings > Local directory > Browse


I missed that post in this thread and still can't find it.




Browse to where you placed the mail tree, and select it.  That 
account, in that profile, will then manage mail in the new location.  
Repeat for every mail account in every profile.


He has mail setup for the browser A profile and he wants to share that 
mail between the profiles of browsers B and C when he needs one of them. 
All profiles are for the same version of SeaMonkey.




Have fun


I'm sure he is. I solved the problem in two ways, both fully documented 
in posts in this thread.


The more I think about it, I'd prefer my Plan B. I would open browser A, 
open Mail & Newsgroups, then when I wanted to use browser B or C, type 
about:profiles in the address bar of browser A, go down the list and 
select either of the other profiles and click the "Launch profile in new 
browser" button.


That leaves the mail window open and the user has access to both browser 
windows, so if they want to do something in browser B or C they can, 
then close the window and still have the window for browser A open.


Not recommended if using different versions of the application.

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Re: PING akalla

[NoOp]

On 3/16/2017 5:49 AM, TCW wrote:
> On 3/15/2017 9:30 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 3/13/2017 10:55 AM, TCW wrote:
>>> Planning on building a 2.49 or waiting on 52.0.1?
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> ?? He's had 2.49 out for some time:
>> 
>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49
>> Build identifier: 20170314033308
>> 
>> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
>> (mozilla-community.org seems to down just now, but check it later)
>> 
> 
> Site has been unreachable since yesterday.
> 

It's back up. 2.49:
[DIR]   latest-comm-release-linux32/2017-03-14 02:19-   
[DIR]   latest-comm-release-linux64/2017-03-13 23:21-   
[DIR]   latest-comm-release-mac64/  2017-03-14 00:03-   
[DIR]   latest-comm-release-windows32/  2017-03-14 07:36-   
[DIR]   latest-comm-release-windows64/  2017-03-14 02:04-   

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Re: 2.49 downloaded on 2 out of 4 machines?

[Daniel]

On 16/03/2017 1:16 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 15/03/2017 6:41 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:





O.K., Frank-Rainer, if a Full Version download was about 35-40MB,
whereas an update was usually only a couple of MB, then .

1.How big is the update from, say, 2.49.2 ESR to 2.49.3 ESR
expected to be??


Beats me. I suspect it will be still around 10 MB. Check the TB updates
to get an estimate. Stopped using official versions almost 2 years ago
when I started compiling my own.


2.If, instead, I go for the full version, how big is the update
from, say, Version 2.51 to Version 2.52 expected to be??


See above or check the Firefox update files.

FRG



Ok, thanks!

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Re: PING akalla

[TCW]

On 3/15/2017 9:30 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 3/13/2017 10:55 AM, TCW wrote:

Planning on building a 2.49 or waiting on 52.0.1?




?? He's had 2.49 out for some time:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49
Build identifier: 20170314033308

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
(mozilla-community.org seems to down just now, but check it later)



Site has been unreachable since yesterday.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with 
IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as 
the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally, 
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever) 
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3. 
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.

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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[Gérard]

On 03/16/2017 08:51 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Richmond wrote:

I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using
Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of
the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.



That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.



OK, I will concede that I might have misunderstood what Yahoo was doing with 
POP3 services.  All I can note is that as I reported in the initial post in 
this thread that I was unable to use Yahoo's POP3 service after 9 March due to 
errors.  As I had made no changes on my end I can only assume that Yahoo 
changed something on the POP3 server that was making it impossible for 
SeaMonkey to use it as I had previously.  When I saw the notice about 31 March 
I assumed that they were connected and there would likely be no fix from Yahoo 
forthcoming prior to that date.


As I did not remove the POP3 account I can confirm that even now I am getting 
the same error:


"The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND XLST, 
which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum Message 
Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail, turn off 
these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in the Account 
Settings window."


Am I the only one encountering these errors?  If so, I am still encountering 
them and the only way around them was to add an IMAP account which I am using 
instead of the POP3 one.


Dave


Dear Dave,
I have given up using /POP3/ *gmail* a long time ago, /IMAP/ works fine for me, 
no prob...


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Akalla language pack 2.48 failure

[EE]

Has anyone else noticed that Adrian Kalla's British English language 
pack for SM 2.48 does not work?  No idea about any other of the language 
packs, but that one did not work with his or Mozilla's build of SM 2.48.

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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[David H. Durgee]

Richmond wrote:

I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using
Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of
the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.



That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.



OK, I will concede that I might have misunderstood what Yahoo was doing 
with POP3 services.  All I can note is that as I reported in the initial 
post in this thread that I was unable to use Yahoo's POP3 service after 
9 March due to errors.  As I had made no changes on my end I can only 
assume that Yahoo changed something on the POP3 server that was making 
it impossible for SeaMonkey to use it as I had previously.  When I saw 
the notice about 31 March I assumed that they were connected and there 
would likely be no fix from Yahoo forthcoming prior to that date.


As I did not remove the POP3 account I can confirm that even now I am 
getting the same error:


"The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND 
XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum 
Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail, 
turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in 
the Account Settings window."


Am I the only one encountering these errors?  If so, I am still 
encountering them and the only way around them was to add an IMAP 
account which I am using instead of the POP3 one.


Dave
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Re: PING akalla

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 8:49 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/15/2017 9:30 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 3/13/2017 10:55 AM, TCW wrote:

Planning on building a 2.49 or waiting on 52.0.1?




?? He's had 2.49 out for some time:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49
Build identifier: 20170314033308

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
(mozilla-community.org seems to down just now, but check it later)



Site has been unreachable since yesterday.



Due to bug 1347753.

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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[WaltS48]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Richmond wrote:

I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using
Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of
the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.



That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.



OK, I will concede that I might have misunderstood what Yahoo was doing
with POP3 services.  All I can note is that as I reported in the initial
post in this thread that I was unable to use Yahoo's POP3 service after
9 March due to errors.  As I had made no changes on my end I can only
assume that Yahoo changed something on the POP3 server that was making
it impossible for SeaMonkey to use it as I had previously.  When I saw
the notice about 31 March I assumed that they were connected and there
would likely be no fix from Yahoo forthcoming prior to that date.

As I did not remove the POP3 account I can confirm that even now I am
getting the same error:

"The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND
XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum
Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail,
turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in
the Account Settings window."

Am I the only one encountering these errors?  If so, I am still
encountering them and the only way around them was to add an IMAP
account which I am using instead of the POP3 one.

Dave



Did you turn off the "Leave on Server", "Fetch Headers Only" and 
"Maximum Message Size" options and still get the error?


Maximum message size is probably under Disk Space and actually "To save 
disk space, do not download: Messages larger than ".


At least it works in IMAP. :)
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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 3:51 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Richmond wrote:

I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using
Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of
the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.



That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.



OK, I will concede that I might have misunderstood what Yahoo was 
doing with POP3 services.  All I can note is that as I reported in the 
initial post in this thread that I was unable to use Yahoo's POP3 
service after 9 March due to errors.  As I had made no changes on my 
end I can only assume that Yahoo changed something on the POP3 server 
that was making it impossible for SeaMonkey to use it as I had 
previously.  When I saw the notice about 31 March I assumed that they 
were connected and there would likely be no fix from Yahoo forthcoming 
prior to that date.


As I did not remove the POP3 account I can confirm that even now I am 
getting the same error:


"The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or 
XTND XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', 
``Maximum Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To 
download your mail, turn off these options in the Server Settings for 
your mail server in the Account Settings window."


Am I the only one encountering these errors?  If so, I am still 
encountering them and the only way around them was to add an IMAP 
account which I am using instead of the POP3 one.


Dave



You are not the only one! You could confirm this 7 year old bug.



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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 4:50 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/16/2017 01:26 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 1:39 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store
it in a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


Okay, please explain the steps to do this process, especially how to
not have it in a profile.


The app, the profile, and mail all change and fail in their own ways.
Getting a new version of SM has caused a lot of trauma for some; like
"lost mail".  Why would you want to replace the profile just because
you got a new app version?  And why would you want to replace the mail
just because you got a new profile?  And why would you want to replace
any of those things just because you got a new OS version?  So I have
the OSs on an OS drive.  And apps and data on separate partitions on a
second drive.  And, they get backed up separately; mail often, profile
less, and OS hardly ever.


Richard wants to use mail with each separate browser profile he has, but
only has mail setup for Browser A as I understand it.



So, to answer your question, you must find the pieces.  To find the
profile, search for PREFS.JS and for mail/news, INBOX.  The profile is
a sub tree, and the mail is a sub-tree of the profile.   Copy the
profile tree to a neutral location and then copy the mail tree to a
different location.


That can be done and is the hard way.



In a previous post I said how to name and place profiles. After you
have placed the mail sub-directory, go to:
Mail client > Edit > Mail and News acct settings > Account > Server
settings > Local directory > Browse


I missed that post in this thread and still can't find it.




Browse to where you placed the mail tree, and select it.  That
account, in that profile, will then manage mail in the new location.
Repeat for every mail account in every profile.


He has mail setup for the browser A profile and he wants to share that
mail between the profiles of browsers B and C when he needs one of them.
All profiles are for the same version of SeaMonkey.



Have fun


I'm sure he is. I solved the problem in two ways, both fully documented
in posts in this thread.

The more I think about it, I'd prefer my Plan B. I would open browser A,
open Mail & Newsgroups, then when I wanted to use browser B or C, type
about:profiles in the address bar of browser A, go down the list and
select either of the other profiles and click the "Launch profile in new
browser" button.

That leaves the mail window open and the user has access to both browser
windows, so if they want to do something in browser B or C they can,
then close the window and still have the window for browser A open.

Not recommended if using different versions of the application.

YMMV



Perhaps YMMV should be in the subject line ;/
I've been following the discussion but won't have time to actually DO 
anything until at least this weekend.


I may be doing things the "hard way" but that is at least partially by 
choice. In retirement I'm learning a lot about subjects I could never 
explore when I was working for a living.





Me too!

Trying to assist you, I just taught myself how to use multiple profiles 
with the same email data, in two different ways.


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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[NoOp]

On 3/16/2017 12:51 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>>> I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using
>>> Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:
>>>
>>> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html
>>>
>>> It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of
>>> the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
>> getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.
>>
>> I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
>> are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
>> like gmail.
>>
> 
> OK, I will concede that I might have misunderstood what Yahoo was doing 
> with POP3 services.  All I can note is that as I reported in the initial 
> post in this thread that I was unable to use Yahoo's POP3 service after 
> 9 March due to errors.  As I had made no changes on my end I can only 
> assume that Yahoo changed something on the POP3 server that was making 
> it impossible for SeaMonkey to use it as I had previously.  When I saw 
> the notice about 31 March I assumed that they were connected and there 
> would likely be no fix from Yahoo forthcoming prior to that date.
> 
> As I did not remove the POP3 account I can confirm that even now I am 
> getting the same error:
> 
> "The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND 
> XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum 
> Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail, 
> turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in 
> the Account Settings window."
> 
> Am I the only one encountering these errors?  If so, I am still 
> encountering them and the only way around them was to add an IMAP 
> account which I am using instead of the POP3 one.
> 
> Dave
> 

I get that occasionally & when I do I try the following:

1. Right click on 'Inbox', then 'Properties' then click on 'Repair Folder'.
2. Shut down SeaMonkey & restart.
3. 2. Right click on the account name & click on 'Get Messages for Account'.

If that doesn't work repeat 1, shut down SeaMonkey, and then delete the
.msf files for the account (Troubleshooting|Profile Folder:Show
Folder|Mail|, then restart SeaMonkey.

Not 100%, but seems to work most of the time. Give it a try.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[WaltS48]

On 3/16/17 8:51 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch 
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. 
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for 
the last

two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my 
old POP3

emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account 
with IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it 
as the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored 
locally, create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or 
whatever) and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 
2 and 3. When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.



Why couldn't he just keep the POP3 account, delete the server settings 
and never have it check for mail?


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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 8:07 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 8:51 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch 
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. 
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for 
the last

two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my 
old POP3

emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account 
with IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it 
as the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored 
locally, create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or 
whatever) and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 
2 and 3. When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.



Why couldn't he just keep the POP3 account, delete the server settings 
and never have it check for mail?




Yeah, probably fine too. Just leaves the cruft of the old account.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Arnie Goetchius]

TCW wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
>> to IMAP
>> and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
>> All my past
>> emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
>> the last
>> two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
>> explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
>> old POP3
>> emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?
>>
> 
> Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:
> 
> 
> 
> If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
> you'll be ok to:
> 
> 1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
> IMAP server settings.
> 
> 2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
> the Default account.
> 
> 3. Delete the POP3 account.
> 
> Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
> create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
> and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
> When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.
> 
> ---
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> http://www.avg.com
> 
Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated

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Re: Akalla language pack 2.48 failure

[Gérard]

On 03/16/2017 09:34 PM, EE wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that Adrian Kalla's British English language pack for 
SM 2.48 does not work?  No idea about any other of the language packs, but 
that one did not work with his or Mozilla's build of SM 2.48.


Works for me, but I am running SM 2.49b

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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/16/2017 01:26 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 1:39 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



The difference is, I say get the mail out of the profile and store
it in a neutral location.  Then any SM or TB can use it.


Okay, please explain the steps to do this process, especially how to
not have it in a profile.


The app, the profile, and mail all change and fail in their own ways.
Getting a new version of SM has caused a lot of trauma for some; like
"lost mail".  Why would you want to replace the profile just because
you got a new app version?  And why would you want to replace the mail
just because you got a new profile?  And why would you want to replace
any of those things just because you got a new OS version?  So I have
the OSs on an OS drive.  And apps and data on separate partitions on a
second drive.  And, they get backed up separately; mail often, profile
less, and OS hardly ever.


Richard wants to use mail with each separate browser profile he has, but
only has mail setup for Browser A as I understand it.



So, to answer your question, you must find the pieces.  To find the
profile, search for PREFS.JS and for mail/news, INBOX.  The profile is
a sub tree, and the mail is a sub-tree of the profile.   Copy the
profile tree to a neutral location and then copy the mail tree to a
different location.


That can be done and is the hard way.



In a previous post I said how to name and place profiles.  After you
have placed the mail sub-directory, go to:
Mail client > Edit > Mail and News acct settings > Account > Server
settings > Local directory > Browse


I missed that post in this thread and still can't find it.




Browse to where you placed the mail tree, and select it.  That
account, in that profile, will then manage mail in the new location.
Repeat for every mail account in every profile.


He has mail setup for the browser A profile and he wants to share that
mail between the profiles of browsers B and C when he needs one of them.
All profiles are for the same version of SeaMonkey.



Have fun


I'm sure he is. I solved the problem in two ways, both fully documented
in posts in this thread.

The more I think about it, I'd prefer my Plan B. I would open browser A,
open Mail & Newsgroups, then when I wanted to use browser B or C, type
about:profiles in the address bar of browser A, go down the list and
select either of the other profiles and click the "Launch profile in new
browser" button.

That leaves the mail window open and the user has access to both browser
windows, so if they want to do something in browser B or C they can,
then close the window and still have the window for browser A open.

Not recommended if using different versions of the application.

YMMV



Perhaps YMMV should be in the subject line ;/
I've been following the discussion but won't have time to actually DO 
anything until at least this weekend.


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choice. In retirement I'm learning a lot about subjects I could never 
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Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Arnie Goetchius]

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?
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