[biofuel] criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: junkies, etc
...It's the same thing as with crime. Crime rates in the US are at record
lows. Why?...
latest us social research (scientific american) strongly correlates the drop
in criminality, and the freeing of abortion. less unwanted kids = less
criminals.
having worked in the ghettos as a volunteer, this makes sense to me. a kid
with an uncaring or antagonistic mother will have distorted social values,
and no role model.
(oops, did it again) (:-(
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hydrogen
Just put 2 SS electrodes in a plastic bottle
with water and put 12vdc to them.
that's what sam does, remember the ss electrodes made from table knives ?
if you use a dopant in the electrolyte (i use table salt, sam uses baking
soda),
the gas production increases dramatically.
Subject: Fw: Hydrogen
This gas you will produce is called Brown's gas. A very flammable
mixture which should be obvious as it is a perfect blend of H and O for
combustion! If you do experiment with it do it cautiously...
hear, hear !! sam used a test cap at the bottom of his units, the idea
being that the test cap would let go first, directing the explosion
downwards.
at the time i suggested he use a mister as a flame arrestor, with the
improved efficiency of the mister added to the gas's energy.
personally, i'm a wimp, and sequester the o in al, using a sacrificial
anode, so that only h is generated. the figure i can vouch for is that i
consume 80-100 cc of water/hour at 6.3 amps. my other electrode is ss, and i
use a weak table salt electrolyte. alo is a pain, it just floats in the
electrolyte.
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Hydrogen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is my concern as well. If the power to split the water into H2
an O2 is provided by the motor, how exactly do you win out when you
burn the H2 in the motor? Is there more complete combustion of the
gasoline, as Robert mentions? and does this then get enough extra
torque out of the same amount of gas to make up for the energy lost
making the H2 in the first place? hmmm...seems possible, but I'd like
to see something that says this explicitly, or offers some other
mechanism, with some numbers to back it up.
ok, good questions. they also apply to the mister i use every day, with
remarkable results. how is it that one liter of water, misted into the car's
intake manifold over 5-600 kilometers, can improve mileage 6 to 10 percent ?
and how come this same mister improves low end torque, and starts the engine
faster ? and as a bonus it reduces oil use in worn engines ?
is this a synergy scenario, in which the total is greater than the sum of
the parts ? can this be so ?
yes, if we measure things using the right units.
a kilo of uranium 235 can release enormous amounts of energy through
fission. yet it's btu per kilo is probably very low.
perhaps the same thing happens with water. but if we measure its energy
potential only through btu values, we will never be able to explain these
phenomena.
i hold that adding water saturated air, or hydrogen, enhances the combustion
process of the ic engine, producing more measurable energy out, for the same
energy in. in other words, i hold that synergy is possible in an ic engine
milieu.
how this comes to be i do not know. i can only measure the results
empirically.
and these empirical results tell me that :
1) in my personal experience, adding pure h to an ic engined car enhances
performance and improves mileage up to 100 percent. this is with no outside
source of energy except the electricity produced by the car's ic engine via
its alternator, and the as yet unmeasured energy of water, when made
available through one of its components, h.
2) also in my experience, adding minute amounts of water to a car's ic
engine enhances the combustion process of same, and gives in return improved
mileage, and more available torque. (the oil use reduction is probably due
to a cleaner fire ring groove)
these are facts that can be replicated by anybody. and i'm not the first
one to apply them empirically. and there are one hundred and one variations
on the same theme, out there.
why this happens is beyond my capacity to determine. and i'm sure there's a
lot of people that would rather nobody ever finds out.
i have to date handed out a couple of dozen professionally built misters, to
people i know. the agreement is that i check-out the instalation, and that
after a 30 day trial period they either a) return the mister, or b) fork
over us$ 10.00 (introductory price !!!)
so far i haven't had any misters returned, and instead have invariably had
rave reviews, and eager forking over of ten dollar bills (in argentina one
peso = one dollar). i disconnected my wife's unit ('81 rabbit, 1.7 engine)
and she wouldn't speak to me until i put it back. (hmmm, maybe this is a
sideline i should look into)
these are the facts i have
Re: [biofuel] criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
OK Dick,
You convinced me, how do I get one of your $10.00 misters? Better yet, send me 2
(one for my wife, then I can see what happens when I remove it from her car...).
Will the mister work with diesels?
Juan C. Bobeda
Dick Carlstein wrote:
(... snip ...)
i have to date handed out a couple of dozen professionally built misters, to
people i know. the agreement is that i check-out the instalation, and that
after a 30 day trial period they either a) return the mister, or b) fork
over us$ 10.00 (introductory price !!!)
so far i haven't had any misters returned, and instead have invariably had
rave reviews, and eager forking over of ten dollar bills (in argentina one
peso = one dollar). i disconnected my wife's unit ('81 rabbit, 1.7 engine)
and she wouldn't speak to me until i put it back. (hmmm, maybe this is a
sideline i should look into)
these are the facts i have at hand.
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[biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my concern as well. If the power to split the water into H2 an O2 is provided by the motor, how exactly do you win out when you burn the H2 in the motor? Is there more complete combustion of the gasoline, as Robert mentions? and does this then get enough extra torque out of the same amount of gas to make up for the energy lost making the H2 in the first place? hmmm...seems possible, but I'd like to see something that says this explicitly, or offers some other mechanism, with some numbers to back it up. ok, good questions. they also apply to the mister i use every day, with remarkable results. how is it that one liter of water, misted into the car's intake manifold over 5-600 kilometers, can improve mileage 6 to 10 percent ? and how come this same mister improves low end torque, and starts the engine faster ? and as a bonus it reduces oil use in worn engines ? is this a synergy scenario, in which the total is greater than the sum of the parts ? can this be so ? yes, if we measure things using the right units. Ah... you just said the magic words :) bless your heart (or maybe I mean mind) snip how this comes to be i do not know. i can only measure the results empirically. snip and quite the amount of experience you seem to have. Awesome! and thank you for sharing. I am convinced that the phenomenon exists, and has been repeated, the first half of any good experiment. as to possible explanations, i can think of partial fusion (not fission) as a possible explanation, also of h combining with free o in the gas mix, and then adding to the explosive force of the mixture. i can think of water splitting inside the combustion chamber initially, and later on recombining to give off energy. and finally i can think that we really don't know zip as to what happens when we combine water and/or its molecular components, with a very complex molecular structure such as ic engine fuel, and explode the mixture in an ic engine's combustion chamber. High temps in an engine, but nothing even remotely close to what you'd need for fusion. (cold fusion was one of those bad experiments that missed the crucial element of repeatability, even by the original discoverers of the effect)I think we can safely rule that out. As far as water splitting and then later recombining, this could happen, but even under the most ideal circumstances, you still can't get back more than you put in (darn laws of thermodynamics!) Creating more, or more complete, combustion pathways for the IC fuel when under different conditions(water or H present) in the cylinder, still seems like a plausible mechanism to me.As you metnion we don't know diddly about what really goes on in there (or at least you and I don't. Any help out there?) Another possibilty I heard mentioned on this list once was that the added water at the combustion temps is pretty high pressure steam, and since there is plenty of extra heat around you can make that steam essentially free of charge and add this extra pressure to pushing the cylinder. This also seems to make sense to me as a possible mechnism. Part ICE, part steam engine. we're on to something really interesting here. most definately! I push the explanation end, not because I doubt, but because I'm a scientist (inquisitive) and an engineer and once you know exactly how and why something works you can modify it intelligently to optimize the effect. -Andrew Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n4HqaC/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
I have missed some of this discussion, but am wondering about possible corrosion effects of added moisture in the cylinder and into lubricating oil over time? Ed B. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my concern as well. If the power to split the water into H2 an O2 is provided by the motor, how exactly do you win out when you burn the H2 in the motor? Is there more complete combustion of the gasoline, as Robert mentions? and does this then get enough extra torque out of the same amount of gas to make up for the energy lost making the H2 in the first place? hmmm...seems possible, but I'd like to see something that says this explicitly, or offers some other mechanism, with some numbers to back it up. ok, good questions. they also apply to the mister i use every day, with remarkable results. how is it that one liter of water, misted into the car's intake manifold over 5-600 kilometers, can improve mileage 6 to 10 percent ? and how come this same mister improves low end torque, and starts the engine faster ? and as a bonus it reduces oil use in worn engines ? is this a synergy scenario, in which the total is greater than the sum of the parts ? can this be so ? yes, if we measure things using the right units. Ah... you just said the magic words :) bless your heart (or maybe I mean mind) snip how this comes to be i do not know. i can only measure the results empirically. snip and quite the amount of experience you seem to have. Awesome! and thank you for sharing. I am convinced that the phenomenon exists, and has been repeated, the first half of any good experiment. as to possible explanations, i can think of partial fusion (not fission) as a possible explanation, also of h combining with free o in the gas mix, and then adding to the explosive force of the mixture. i can think of water splitting inside the combustion chamber initially, and later on recombining to give off energy. and finally i can think that we really don't know zip as to what happens when we combine water and/or its molecular components, with a very complex molecular structure such as ic engine fuel, and explode the mixture in an ic engine's combustion chamber. High temps in an engine, but nothing even remotely close to what you'd need for fusion. (cold fusion was one of those bad experiments that missed the crucial element of repeatability, even by the original discoverers of the effect)I think we can safely rule that out. As far as water splitting and then later recombining, this could happen, but even under the most ideal circumstances, you still can't get back more than you put in (darn laws of thermodynamics!) Creating more, or more complete, combustion pathways for the IC fuel when under different conditions(water or H present) in the cylinder, still seems like a plausible mechanism to me.As you metnion we don't know diddly about what really goes on in there (or at least you and I don't. Any help out there?) Another possibilty I heard mentioned on this list once was that the added water at the combustion temps is pretty high pressure steam, and since there is plenty of extra heat around you can make that steam essentially free of charge and add this extra pressure to pushing the cylinder. This also seems to make sense to me as a possible mechnism. Part ICE, part steam engine. we're on to something really interesting here. most definately! I push the explanation end, not because I doubt, but because I'm a scientist (inquisitive) and an engineer and once you know exactly how and why something works you can modify it intelligently to optimize the effect. -Andrew Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n4HqaC/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
I did make a mister (Novak's baby) for my 2,8 litre Vauxhall Royale petrol car. It probably works too well and consumes a litre of water/ethanol mix in a few miles. It also makes the engine race in neutral, so I put a valve in the suction line to reduce the flow rate. I don't use this thirsty vehicle enough to have come to any conclusion as to its effect on performance or economy.yet. Provisionally, I subscribe to the theory of better combustion of the complex hydrocarbons, possibly with a catalytic reaction in there somewhere. Dick, have you abandoned the original mix in favour of straight water? David Teal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:26:42 -0700, Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Friends Here is a company you'll be interested in! http://www.xogen.com/technology.html Ed Service - Original Message - From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339) I did make a mister (Novak's baby) for my 2,8 litre Vauxhall Royale petrol car. It probably works too well and consumes a litre of water/ethanol mix in a few miles. It also makes the engine race in neutral, so I put a valve in the suction line to reduce the flow rate. I don't use this thirsty vehicle enough to have come to any conclusion as to its effect on performance or economy.yet. Provisionally, I subscribe to the theory of better combustion of the complex hydrocarbons, possibly with a catalytic reaction in there somewhere. Dick, have you abandoned the original mix in favour of straight water? David Teal Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor - ~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] AquaLux
I did make It to the demo at AquaLux. It was very interesting. It was geared for investors They are trying to raise 10 million dollars. I do not have any to risk but if I did I would seriously consider it. They made the gas, cooked us a steak and showed us a device that supposedly made the gas. They cannot produce enough gas to take any orders yet, but they are relocating soon and have the parts to build a new machine. This is a real ground floor investment. Either they will change the world as we know it or they will go bust outside of a year. This reminds me of the time I had a chance to buy stock cheap in a company that wanted to sell burgers out of a single wide trailer. That company is Checkers also located in Pinellas County. Years from now I may kick myself for missing this opportunity or I may be glad I didn't get taken by a scam. Does anyone know how electricity is billed to you. They did a demonstration where they clamped a device around an electric wire. They said this was to measure the resistance in the wire. Then they added another appliance and the resistance increased. Then they struck an arc and the resistance did not go up. An arc or short does not increase resistance. Under these conditions they claim that if you have an appliance running off the electricity and you create an arc the arc will cost you nothing. The water got extremely hot and I cannot figure where all the energy to hear the water came from without the electric company charging you for it. Do they charge by resistance or was this just smoke and mirrors? If anyone has any questions about this I will try to answer them but I may not have all the answers. I do not work for them but I did ask John Lux for a job if he ever got up and running. If this crap does work I can't Imagine a better job. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] AquaLux
This would be no different than hooking up a battery charger to produce the arc. Scam. Tim - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] AquaLux I did make It to the demo at AquaLux. It was very interesting. It was geared for investors They are trying to raise 10 million dollars. I do not have any to risk but if I did I would seriously consider it. They made the gas, cooked us a steak and showed us a device that supposedly made the gas. They cannot produce enough gas to take any orders yet, but they are relocating soon and have the parts to build a new machine. This is a real ground floor investment. Either they will change the world as we know it or they will go bust outside of a year. This reminds me of the time I had a chance to buy stock cheap in a company that wanted to sell burgers out of a single wide trailer. That company is Checkers also located in Pinellas County. Years from now I may kick myself for missing this opportunity or I may be glad I didn't get taken by a scam. Does anyone know how electricity is billed to you. They did a demonstration where they clamped a device around an electric wire. They said this was to measure the resistance in the wire. Then they added another appliance and the resistance increased. Then they struck an arc and the resistance did not go up. An arc or short does not increase resistance. Under these conditions they claim that if you have an appliance running off the electricity and you create an arc the arc will cost you nothing. The water got extremely hot and I cannot figure where all the energy to hear the water came from without the electric company charging you for it. Do they charge by resistance or was this just smoke and mirrors? If anyone has any questions about this I will try to answer them but I may not have all the answers. I do not work for them but I did ask John Lux for a job if he ever got up and running. If this crap does work I can't Imagine a better job. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BIODIESEL GHANA LTD
Trudy/Greg ? The Jatropha Project looks pretty neat. Do you know of anything similar going forward in Niger? I have a friend from Niger that speaks of how badly things are run in that country. They could use some help if the gov't would allow it. Thanks. Ciao, Geoff Trudy Williams wrote: try http://www.jatropha.org/ PS. I have a friend working in Mali, Willys Geffard, who still has not started producing biodiesel and does Economic Development after all my urgings!! Greg -- Original Message -- From: Geoff Pritchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:04:39 -0800 htmlbody tt If I remember correctly, there is a program in Mali/Burkina Faso or aBR close neighbor called The Jatropha Project in which a local oilseedBR (Jatropha) is crushed and utilized for oil/biodiesel, and otherBR byproducts. I don't have the website handy but can forward it to you ifBR you want. Good Luck.BR BR Ciao,BR BR GeoffBR BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:BR BR Dear Sir,BR Thanks for having some time for me to read this.BR BR We are interested in building a Biodiesel Plant in Ghana by using the localBR feedstock.BR It is a known fact that the world is going to run out of fossil fuel one day.BR Closer as it gets, the more expensive fossil fuel becomes. It would not beBR long that the world be controlled by the OPEC so far as fuel market isBR concerned.BR Biodiesel is completely a renewable fuel, does not add to the problems of theBR ozone layer, creates jobs internally and strengthens economies. Biodiesel isBR safe to handle, non toxic and it degrades very quickly.BR BR The Plant is be built by the Biodiesel Industries based in Las Vegas, USA.BR The President of the organization Mr. Russ Teall is ready to start theBR project but our only problem is the funds. Could you please help by donatingBR any amount or even if you want a Joint Venture, we are flexible.BR BR I will furnish you with the Biodiesel Industries Acct # number if you respond.BR BR Hope to hear from you and God bless you.BR BR Kind regards,BR BR Quassy AdjapawnBR DirectorBR Biodiesel Ghana LtdBR BR Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339)
That could be a problem if the vehicle was only used on short trips where it never really got warm. but it does not take very long at 200 plus degrees to vapor a little moisture out of the oil. Water will not sit long on a hot engine.. - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339) I have missed some of this discussion, but am wondering about possible corrosion effects of added moisture in the cylinder and into lubricating oil over time? Ed B. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my concern as well. If the power to split the water into H2 an O2 is provided by the motor, how exactly do you win out when you burn the H2 in the motor? Is there more complete combustion of the gasoline, as Robert mentions? and does this then get enough extra torque out of the same amount of gas to make up for the energy lost making the H2 in the first place? hmmm...seems possible, but I'd like to see something that says this explicitly, or offers some other mechanism, with some numbers to back it up. ok, good questions. they also apply to the mister i use every day, with remarkable results. how is it that one liter of water, misted into the car's intake manifold over 5-600 kilometers, can improve mileage 6 to 10 percent ? and how come this same mister improves low end torque, and starts the engine faster ? and as a bonus it reduces oil use in worn engines ? is this a synergy scenario, in which the total is greater than the sum of the parts ? can this be so ? yes, if we measure things using the right units. Ah... you just said the magic words :) bless your heart (or maybe I mean mind) snip how this comes to be i do not know. i can only measure the results empirically. snip and quite the amount of experience you seem to have. Awesome! and thank you for sharing. I am convinced that the phenomenon exists, and has been repeated, the first half of any good experiment. as to possible explanations, i can think of partial fusion (not fission) as a possible explanation, also of h combining with free o in the gas mix, and then adding to the explosive force of the mixture. i can think of water splitting inside the combustion chamber initially, and later on recombining to give off energy. and finally i can think that we really don't know zip as to what happens when we combine water and/or its molecular components, with a very complex molecular structure such as ic engine fuel, and explode the mixture in an ic engine's combustion chamber. High temps in an engine, but nothing even remotely close to what you'd need for fusion. (cold fusion was one of those bad experiments that missed the crucial element of repeatability, even by the original discoverers of the effect)I think we can safely rule that out. As far as water splitting and then later recombining, this could happen, but even under the most ideal circumstances, you still can't get back more than you put in (darn laws of thermodynamics!) Creating more, or more complete, combustion pathways for the IC fuel when under different conditions(water or H present) in the cylinder, still seems like a plausible mechanism to me.As you metnion we don't know diddly about what really goes on in there (or at least you and I don't. Any help out there?) Another possibilty I heard mentioned on this list once was that the added water at the combustion temps is pretty high pressure steam, and since there is plenty of extra heat around you can make that steam essentially free of charge and add this extra pressure to pushing the cylinder. This also seems to make sense to me as a possible mechnism. Part ICE, part steam engine. we're on to something really interesting here. most definately! I push the explanation end, not because I doubt, but because I'm a scientist (inquisitive) and an engineer and once you know exactly how and why something works you can modify it intelligently to optimize the effect. -Andrew Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
[biofuel] Electric arcs
An electric arc is generally a plasma channel through air (or any other gas). It takes an enormous amount of energy to ionize the medium through which you would like to pass current. If arcs were free, we would still have electric arc lighting and arc welding would cost nothing. The thing is, that, for instance, steel purification- done by arc melting is one of the costlyest operations in the metal industry. It consumes giant amounts of electricity (the raw steel is melted with an electric arc). So, if it warms up, it consumes energy. If it generates light it consumes energy, if it moves it consumes energy, if ... Be sure that the electric company will bill you, if you consume energy. Cheers, Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Novak's Baby - missing link
With all the renewed interest in water injection systems I thought I had better try this myself...but the link on the WebConx page no longer works. Has anyone got this info? Has anyone tried this on diesel engines, maybe with a pump to provide pressure for injection? Andrew. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: ph measurements ...(#339)
Aleks, Water injection is common place in highly modified supercharged or turbocharged petrol engines, it allows a much higher compression ratio without detonation which is a problem with spark ignited engines running over 10:1 compression ratios. John in Australia As for your water injection system: ask the builders of the Rolls- Royce Merlin airplane engine. This engine had direct water_in_cylinder injection. It powered the famous allied figters, like the Spitfire and Mustang. I believe you should think in the direction of steam engines. Cheers, Aleks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] THANKS
I am still not sure how the power company charges but I am sure you cannot get that arc for free. I know that heaters such as the burner on a range work on resistance and use a lot of power. They claim that about 80% of the cost to produce the gas is carbon which is consumed in the process. Also I worry about the gas breaking down over time. They say as long as it is under pressure it will not but I am not sure. By the way it is a gas that is stored about 2500 psi. I do not know if they had better pumps that they could go higher. Either way that is pretty high pressure. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] misters and such...#340
From: Juan C. Bobeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] You convinced me, how do I get one of your $10.00 misters? Better yet, send me 2 (one for my wife, then I can see what happens when I remove it from her car...). will contact you off list, juan, we're close enough to each other. Will the mister work with diesels? no, the diesel mister is a different ball game. i'm presently testing one in my massey 165 tractor. so far it shows great promise, and greater fuel savings than the gas (petrol) ic engine mister. soon as it's properly tried and tested, i'll post it. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, if we measure things using the right units. Ah... you just said the magic words :) bless your heart (or maybe I mean mind) used to teach physics way back. units and measurements were the big stumbling block then. they still are. nasa missed a planet because of a unit conversion mistake, remember ? we exchange concepts through words, and tangible data through units. words express feelings (Aristotle = explicit implies implicit), units express facts. not everybody is comfortable with facts. they leave little room for maneuvering !!! High temps in an engine, but nothing even remotely close to what you'd need for fusion. (cold fusion was one of those bad experiments that missed the crucial element of repeatability, even by the original discoverers of the effect)I think we can safely rule that out. don't rule anything out, andrew !! else you couldn't explain superconductivity at high (relative) temps... prevailing mindset calls for fusion to be somehow associated with heat, plasma, magnetic baskets, etc. but it wouldn't be the first time great minds are immersed in great confusion, and generate great conceptual mistakes. lots of people out there fighting evolution, or claiming there is no global warming... As far as water splitting and then later recombining, this could happen, but even under the most ideal circumstances, you still can't get back more than you put in (darn laws of thermodynamics!) true enough ! but we don't know how or with what it recombines, right ? ic engines are notoriously inefficient, we feed them all sorts of energy, and get very little back. friction, inertia, and temperature alone do not explain this waste. so maybe it's a bit like making biodiesel, you put more alcohol in just to make sure the reaction is complete. and we put in more fuel into an ic, to be sure we obtain the required power. personally, i'd hold that these devices optimize combustion. how, i don't know. and do i dare mention adsorption ? (:-D) Another possibility I heard mentioned on this list once was that the added water at the combustion temps is pretty high pressure steam, and since there is plenty of extra heat around you can make that steam essentially free of charge and add this extra pressure to pushing the cylinder. This also seems to make sense to me as a possible mechanism. Part ICE, part steam engine. plausible. except the amounts of steam would be so minute as to be almost negligible. one liter of water every 5-600 kilometers is no great amount of water. you'd get more than that if ambient humidity changed from 60 to 90 %. and it wouldn't explain the increase in net power when you inject h into the mixture. comment: a few of my 'clients' have remarked that driving with the mister on reminds them of the smooth driving associated with 'just after rain' conditions, when ambient humidity is at its max. I push the explanation end, not because I doubt, but because I'm a scientist (inquisitive) and an engineer and once you know exactly how and why something works you can modify it intelligently to optimize the effect. wish we could do that with pols and corporate animals... From: NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have missed some of this discussion, but am wondering about possible corrosion effects of added moisture in the cylinder and into lubricating oil over time? no more corrosion or water in the oil, than you'd have operating in a humid ambient. water misting keeps everything factory new clean, including spark plugs. oil use goes down, pointing to better sealing of rings. we are misting minute amounts of water into the air/fuel mixture, and not injecting water into the cylinders. that would be a different scenario. From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did make a mister (Novak's baby) for my 2,8 liter Vauxhall Royale petrol car. It probably works too well and consumes a liter of water/ethanol mix in a few miles. that would be the alcohol, david. had that happen to me a couple of times, shallow containers, and high alky/water mixes, and the darn thing would foam into the engine. the container should be kept half full, measured from the outlet tube level inside the container : outlet tube (to ic engine) level(irrespective of container lid level) max water level
