Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[Greg and April]

They can only currently track by video cam, not to many except with in major
cities, and then mostly near intersections. Even now they are trying to
track cell phones, but even that is proving some what problematic, and is
only accurate to with in a 150 yards or so.

No, we still have a few more years left.  Even the Supreme Court has ruled
that we have privacy even in public places.

Greg H.

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> Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years
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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[Greg and April]

Then how does Lojack & Onstar work?

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the
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> Hi
> I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER.
> I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however,  what did I miss?
> Fred
>
> On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote:
>
> > The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in
> > unmapped
> > territory, or off road.  Because then you have miles logged, but, not
> > spent
> > on public streets were the funds would go.  Same problem applies to
> > odometer
> > readings.   Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges
> > for
> > their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't
> > be
> > charged for what they don't use ether.
> >
> > Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person,
> > just
> > in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one.
> >
> > Greg H.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39
> > Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype,
> > "the
> > scam artists at work". and more idea's
> >
> >
> >> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
> >> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS
> >> tracked
> >> from X month  to the same registration month the next year.
> >> Then
> >> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership
> > files.
> >>
> >> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had
> >> traveled"
> >> tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which
> >> route
> > it
> >> took ... etc.
> >>
> >> No odometer reading necessary.
> >>
> >> Curtis
> >>
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[biofuel] Musings on Hydrogen economy and real estate considerations

[murdoch]

I've seen setups where industrious homeowners had installed solar energy not
only to power their homes, in part or in whole, but to power their EVs.  To this
I want to add that, if a Hydrogen EConomy, or something like it, does emerge,
then I wonder as to property considerations.  To make Hydrogen at home, one
might wish to have a source of water (as feedstock for electrolysis).  This does
not necessarily mean that H2 will have to be made at home, but there is no rule
against it.  In the idea, a homeowner with some resources (land, sunshine, a
stream, etc.) could make for personal use, and sell to others Hydrogen,
electricity, whatever.  Just as a farmer can now sell not only food but ethanol
and biodiesel, etc.

There are, I think, some interesting musings to be made as to the long-term
effects of major technological change on real estate values.  For example, we've
had the development of some very very hot areas.  To be sure, folks lived there
previously, but now we have air conditioning and some superior ability to send
water to those areas, so we have a change in development, in land value, in
living ability, etc.  Some of these changes might have been different had it not
been for developments such as air conditioning and refrigeration.

There have been subtle changes and shifts in cities and their surroundings.
Different Urban plans (or lack thereof) have gone in different directions.
Without the invention of the internal combustion engine, most present day city
structures would be dramatically different, I think.

So, I think if we do have a shift to a Hydrogen Economy, or something like it,
there could again be subtle effects on what one looks for in land, in a house,
etc.  

Another shift could perhaps be in the shift to cell phones.  As simple as it
seems, I wonder as to the effect of decision-making in maintaining a home or
business or what-have-you, now that we might have number portability.



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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[Robert Mills]

Do you know any truck drivers or any of the major trucking firms nearby?
They can tell you the exact location of their truck and how long it has been 
there if it is sitting still. They can also send messages and the like via 
computer through the same system in both directions.
 
Bob

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER.   
I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however,  what did I miss?
Fred

On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote:

> The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in  
> unmapped
> territory, or off road.  Because then you have miles logged, but, not  
> spent
> on public streets were the funds would go.  Same problem applies to  
> odometer
> readings.   Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges  
> for
> their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't  
> be
> charged for what they don't use ether.
>
> Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person,  
> just
> in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one.
>
> Greg H.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39
> Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype,  
> "the
> scam artists at work". and more idea's
>
>
>> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
>> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS  
>> tracked
>> from X month  to the same registration month the next year.  
>> Then
>> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership
> files.
>>
>> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had  
>> traveled"
>> tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which  
>> route
> it
>> took ... etc.
>>
>> No odometer reading necessary.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
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[biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Re: [evworld] Photovoltaic article in Sacramento bee today

[Robert Mills]

It is possible that his statement of oversubsidizing it's use is referring 
toward the Bush tax breaks and ultra fast write off, ( 1/2 the value first 
year, rest next 5), being presently out there. It is too bad that he doesn't 
see it as job and income stimulation for today's needs which was the primary 
goal of Washington.
 
I further disagree with the article more or less stating that photovoltaic is 
the only way to go in this alternative energy process.
 
In my case as a residence only situation, I found that the photovoltaic option 
was just plain too expensive for the electric energy needs I have. I found that 
hot water would take care of my hot water and heating needs very nicely. This 
led me to pursue the hot water system and just go ahead and purchase the 
electricity needs as they could make it for me far cheaper than I could, (sorry 
but I have 6 cent kwh power). The most important point to grasp out of this 
paragraph is that versatility and advantages with present technology are 
already out there and should be used today !!!
 
I definately agree with you when you say to throw more money at R&D is an easy 
way to stifle any growth as people will take the wait and see approach to solar 
of any kind.
 
I think the fast write off setup of today will bring in the orders you want to 
see. It will also make the public more aware and thus more interested in solar 
as a way to go. The more they see and/or experience this in their lives such as 
at work will keep solar fresh in their minds.
 
On another alternative option, yesterday's paper stated that the biggest 
developer of residential housing here has went to geothermal HVAC, (which 
sometimes includes hot water in the same machine depending on the 
manufacturer), in all new houses being built from this day forward. While it is 
not solar, it is a beginning in the right direction. Who knows, maybe next week 
they might add solar hot water to the project. That has happened here before 
probably 20+ years ago and they are still on the roofs doing their thing today.
 
Bob

murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/energy/story/6989637p-7938443c.html
>
>The numbers are impressive.
> 
>Bob
>

This was an interesting article.  I disagreed with this statement:
--
"We're massively oversubsidizing its use and we're undersubsidizing its
development," spending too little on cutting-edge research that could lower
solar's cost, said Severin Borenstein, director of the University of California
Energy Institute.
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My own thought has been the opposite.  While we certainly need more research to
improve many aspects of PV (such as costs of manufacturing), the main tool of
the anti-renewable energy crowd has been to make a show of throwing money at
research, but not at orders.  I think it is orders which could contribute to
driving such things as building of new plants for production.  I think it is
orders which, in part, scare the opponents.

I don't know why this guy has said this, but I suppose the matter is open for
debate.  I wonder if this is the same general school at Berkeley which also
recently said something against the net energy content of ethanol.  If so, we
disagree on that also.

MM

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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[Robert Mills]

Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years
 
If you think you are not tracked daily as it is you must never go anywhere or 
spend any money using atm's and the like. Don't worry, big brother knows all 
about you and keeps his finger on the button at all times. 
 
It won't be too many years before computers presently in cars will be tracked 
and disabled at the will of Government if they only think you might have done 
something wrong. From that point on it will be 100% "GUILTY" unless you can 
prove otherwise.
 
Skin implants are today offered to parents of children who fear abduction and 
the like. How long do you think this will take to become mandatory for everyone?
 
You will soon only have your freedom at the will of; not because of; your 
birthright, etc.
 
Bob

Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped
territory, or off road.  Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent
on public streets were the funds would go.  Same problem applies to odometer
readings.   Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for
their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be
charged for what they don't use ether.

Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just
in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one.

Greg H.

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Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the
scam artists at work". and more idea's


> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS tracked
> from X month  to the same registration month the next year. Then
> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership
files.
>
> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled"
> tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which route
it
> took ... etc.
>
> No odometer reading necessary.
>
> Curtis
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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[dcande01]

Hi
I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER.   
I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however,  what did I miss?
Fred

On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote:

> The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in  
> unmapped
> territory, or off road.  Because then you have miles logged, but, not  
> spent
> on public streets were the funds would go.  Same problem applies to  
> odometer
> readings.   Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges  
> for
> their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't  
> be
> charged for what they don't use ether.
>
> Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person,  
> just
> in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one.
>
> Greg H.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39
> Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype,  
> "the
> scam artists at work". and more idea's
>
>
>> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
>> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS  
>> tracked
>> from X month  to the same registration month the next year.  
>> Then
>> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership
> files.
>>
>> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had  
>> traveled"
>> tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which  
>> route
> it
>> took ... etc.
>>
>> No odometer reading necessary.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
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[biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Engine for Sale

[Bryan Brah]

For Sale, make me an offer!  Mercedes Benz 3.0 Liter 5 cylinder Turbo
diesel engine (617.952) This unit includes the turbo, and the fuel rail.
It came out of a 1982 300TD. I planned to rebuild it and convert my
280GE to diesel, but don't have the time, space, or resources. I
obtained the engine from my mechanic who said that it threw a rod and
needs a crank. I was told that the mileage is around 120K. I haven't
opened it up to see how bad the damage is, so I'm selling this as a good
head and core only block. I can ship it anywhere in the continental US
for about $250, or you can pick it up for free if you're in Austin,
Texas.  Email me for pics if interested.

 

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Re: [biofuel] Dead car???

[dcande01]

what year jetta? I would be interested in buying it too.
fred
If it is a 92 jetta, and the rest is ok, I would put in a used  
transmission.
about $600 for parts and the same for labor.  This is a very  
collectable car.  you should check it out on carguys.com.  also, it may  
not be the transmission.  check the linkage and the oil level.  these  
transmissions usually won't die unless they run out of oil (leak).  and  
the transmission linkage is a normally replaceable.  You can get kits  
at stevesvw.com and alot of other parts.
Regards
Fred

On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 08:57 US/Eastern, Stanley Baer wrote:

> If the Jetta has the turbo diesel motor and the transmission really is
> wrecked, I'd be intereested in buying it.
>
> stan
>
> Grahams wrote:
>
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>> third
>> gear now.  I tagged it, and had it inspected. I put two new tires on
>> it and
>> a new battery.  What do you all think I should do with it?  Junk it?  
>> fix
>> it... any idea on cost? Or what is wrong?   I don't want to tow it in  
>> for
>> an estimate if I should junk it- (the junk yard is across the highway,
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Re: [biofuel] Islam vs Christians vs Jews

[mark schofield]

Firstly, I thought we are here to learn about
biofuels but since the subject has come up then
I'll put my pennies worth in.

The Old Testiment (OT) is written so as to reach
back to the start time, Genesis meaning Origin.
Working through the OT, we find many reasonings
that Jesus would in fact appear on Earth down to
the exact circumstances, location and tribe. Jews
are all linked to one of 12 tribal names, Jesus
was born into the line of David. [I was amazed
that my Jewish friend Ruben knew his original
tribal name].

There was a gap between the OT and the New
Testiment (NT) of around 400 years. So, Jews
follow the Torah (Old Testiment) and Christians
follow both the Old and the New Testiment, me
included. But for us, the emphasis isn't on the
OT but on Jesus' teaching, life, death and
resurection as clearly noted in the NT.

I'll leave a question and thats my bit done. Now,
presuming that Jesus was truely alive and the
accounts recorded of him are accurate, how do you
percieve that statement in the NT 'I am the Way,
the Truth and the Life - No one comes to the
Father except through me', Father means, in this
situation, access to Heaven.

Food for thought?

Regards

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Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[dcande01]

Hi
I could talk for hours but my fingers can't type that much.  Judism and  
christianity( the Jesus version, not the Paul/Bush (in that bush uses  
the same techniques now as Paul did then to further his own agenda)  
version)
are not the same, or much of a continum or evolution.
The god worshipped by the early Jews was an ancient desert warrior god,  
probably Sumarian, possibly Marduk.  Does it show?  When they moved to  
Isreal did it re-assert itself?
The radical religious  activist Jesus said "you were tought an eye for  
an eye, a tooth for a tooth but I bring to you a new covenant, that ye  
love one another"
more later
fred

On Monday, Jul 7, 2003, at 19:01 US/Eastern, Gustl Steiner-Zehender  
wrote:

> Hallo,
>
> Monday, 07 July, 2003, 15:59:13, you wrote:
>
> WC> Pardon me, but no abortion providers that I know of have ever  
> claimed to be
> WC> instructed by God. Invoking the name of God has been the cover for  
> the
> WC> deaths of millions of people throughout history.
>
> No  argument  here.   The  God which Christians, Jesusonians, Muslims,
> Jews  and  others worship is the God of love and only that which comes
> from  love  is  of  God which certainly leaves out anything violent or
> deadly.
>
> WC> Also, it is pretty clear to me that God through Jesus Christ has  
> instructed
> WC> us to embrace love of our enemies, not destruction. People who  
> proclaim
> WC> themselves Christians and use the name of God to justify war are  
> hypocrites.
> WC> I challenge any Christian (a religion based on the commandments of  
> Christ)
> WC> to reference any scripture in the gospels (containing the only  
> record of
> WC> Christ's words to us) which command or suggest that war be a  
> remedy for
> WC> anything.
>
> Actually Bill, the Christian religion is not based on the commandments
> of  Christ  as  it  is  a religion about Jesus neither the religion or
> gospel  of  Jesus. Paul, who is the primary architect of the Christian
> religion,  is  quite clear in Romans (2:16)that the gospel he (and the
> rest)  preaches is his (Paul's) gospel not that of Jesus. Much of what
> Paul   condones   and  preaches  in  Romans  and   elsewhere  directly
> contradicts  what  Jesus  taught.   Paul's  intentions  were to form a
> church  based  on Jesus but good intentions do not necessarily lead to
> truth.   It is eminently clear that Paul and the others did not have a
> good  understanding  of  what  Jesus  was saying.  Personally, I don't
> think  any  of  them would recognize a metaphor if one came up and bit
> them in the ass.
>
> While the New Testament is infinitely better than the Old Testament it
> still  has enough spiritual error and downright evil in it to give one
> pause.   None  of  this can be attributed to Jesus but to the error of
> the  disciples  and  apostles.  The primary error is that of where the
> authority  is  placed.   The  apostles wanted it placed in the written
> word  when it should rightfully be placed with God.  The scripture and
> God are not tautologous.
>
> Please  keep  in  mind  that  the  above  comes from one who is a firm
> believer in Jesus Christ and God.
>
> WC> Abortion has no place in this discussion. Attempts to cast people  
> into one
> WC> camp or the other are just a smoke screen to cover lack of  
> persuasive
> WC> arguments concerning the topic at hand, pre-emptive war based on
> WC> questionable facts.
>
> It is an old trick of those in power to keep one group against another
> which keeps their gaze fixed on each other and off the problem.  If we
> argue  religion,  liberal vs. conservative politics, abortion, etc. we
> are ignoring the real problem which causes those in power to get their
> grins.   All the hogs feed from the same trough no matter race, creed,
> religion or national origin.
>
> Hope I haven't offended anyone as such was not my intent.
>
> Happy Happy,
>
> Gustl
>
> WC> Bill C.
> WC> - Original Message -
> WC> From: "k5farms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> WC> To: 
> WC> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:06 PM
> WC> Subject: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!
>
>
>>> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Hi Keith,

 I forgot to mention that "God told me to do it" is a very
 common explanation from the most famous serial killers
 in our history. LOL

 Hakan


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[biofuel] Vehicle Durability News

[murdoch]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030708/ts_nm/autos_durability_dc_1

Top Stories - Reuters 
 
Japanese Top Auto Quality Study; GM Gains Ground
Tue Jul 8, 1:05 PM ET  Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo! 
 

By Justin Hyde 

DETROIT (Reuters) - While Japan's largest automakers dominated an annual vehicle
quality survey released on Tuesday, General Motors Corp., scored highly and
DaimlerChrysler AG's Mercedes brand stalled. 

   

The benchmark J.D. Power and Associates survey of long-term vehicle quality
polled 55,000 owners of 3-year-old vehicles and found that some automakers are
not living up to their promises -- or reputation -- for better quality. 


"About half of new car buyers say longer-term dependability is a key factor in
choosing which vehicle they want," said Joe Ivers, J.D. Power's executive
director of quality and customer satisfaction research. "This is becoming the
next major issue in the auto industry, and a much more consistent focus from
automaker to automaker than it has been in the past." 


As it has for the past several years, Toyota Motor Corp. (news - web sites)'s
Lexus luxury unit topped the brand rankings with 163 problems per 100 vehicles,
followed by Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.'s Infiniti brand, GM's Buick unit, Porsche AG
and Honda Motor Co. (news - web sites) Ltd.'s Acura brand. 


Among manufacturers overall, Porsche led the list, followed closely by Toyota.
Honda, Nissan and BMW AG rounded out the top five. 


GM was the only one of Detroit's Big Three automakers to rank above the industry
average of 273 problems per 100 vehicles, with its Buick, Cadillac, GMC and
Chevrolet brands all performing above average. 


Ivers noted that GM had never performed above the industry average in prior
surveys and that the survey backed up claims from GM executives that they were
matching the quality of Japanese automakers. 


"This year, we see them (GM) sort of turn a corner," he said. "They've begun to
show evidence of closing that gap" with foreign automakers. 


PLYMOUTH VS. MERCEDES 


Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln brand scored just above Honda and its Mercury brand did
better than the industry average. But the Ford brand was below average, with 273
problems per 100 vehicles, dragging down the company as a whole. 


While Ford's F-Series pickup topped its class, the survey was the first to
include the Ford Focus, which was plagued with quality problems when it was
launched in 1999. 


"Since the 1997 model year, Ford vehicles have been improving on a consistent
basis. This year is a bit of an exception," Ivers said. "The Focus is one of
those vehicles that hasn't aged gracefully." 


Perhaps the study's most shocking results involve DaimlerChrysler. Since the
1998 merger, Daimler executives have contended that Mercedes-Benz's knowledge of
how to build quality vehicles would be used to improve the Chrysler brands. 


But Chrysler, Dodge and the now-defunct Plymouth brand all outranked Mercedes,
which had 318 problems per 100 vehicles. Ivers said Mercedes' troubles were
concentrated in its M-Class sport utility vehicle and its E-Class sedans, which
accounted for roughly half its sales. 


"The M-Class has had a lot of problems since its launch," Ivers said. "The rate
of deterioration on the E-Class is greater than on any other vehicle in the
industry." 


Long-term quality often translates into money won or lost for automakers. Ivers
said Honda's reputation for durability translates to a $1,500 premium in the
new-car market, with a even larger premium in used vehicles. 


In addition, auto suppliers have said Japanese automakers' warranty costs
average $300 to $400 per vehicle, with Toyota averaging less than $100 per
vehicle, compared with $600 to $700 per vehicle for the Big Three. 

   



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Power lowered the age of the vehicles it was monitoring to catch problems
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[biofuel] Solar Power, $1.00 a watt !

[Greg and April]

August issue of Discover, has an article about a company that thinks they are 
going to be able to meet $1.00 a watt, for solar power.

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[biofuel] Photovoltaic article in Sacramento bee today

[murdoch]

>I definately agree with you when you say to throw more money at R&D is an easy 
>way to stifle any growth as people will take the wait and see approach to 
>solar of any kind.

Another effect of Government Funding of R+D is the removal of the
profit-incentive from individual inventors.  How the hell is a Thomas Edison
type of person to experiment and discover an improvement in PV-or-related if
there's no point, and no real prospect of profiting from one's invention?  How
is he or she to compete with a Federal Government and massive University and
corporate system which doesn't respect the patent rights of individual
inventors?  

Heck, the Federal Government receives tax monies and is supposed to spend some
of them on *protecting* those patent rights, and this includes those of
individual human beings, and yet how often do we hear of such an effort?  We
have heard talk of protecting Hollywood copyrights for music and film after
massive lobbying efforts by the music and film industries.  But we never hear a
shred of concern for the patent rights of individual inventors.  So, I"m voicing
it.  It's bad enough that there is no protection for their rights, but if the
government is to then be the one to invent and own patents, why not just throw
the towel in?

There was an article this month in the NYT about a California company's efforts
to develop some plastic (organic) PV which overcomes the drawbacks of previous
such efforts, and shows promise for dramatic price reduction.  Here is the PR,
but not the NYT article (which costs money):

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK3.story&STORY=/www/story/06-19-2003/0001968208&EDATE=THU+Jun+19+2003,+08:03+AM

I"m hoping that, on the overall topic of price reduction of PV, that to some
extent it can perhaps follow one of the models provided by previous efforts to
bring down prices for this or that chip.  In computer chips, we saw this
tremendous fervent development for the last forty years, with unbelieveable
progress in power and price.  With light-sensitive chips for digital cameras, my
understanding is that for a few years there was sort of a holdup in that there
were some difficult-to-solve manufacturing issues, but then eventually the dam
really did burst, and now affordable-much-more-powerful consumer digital cameras
are a wonderful reality.

With PV, while the oil industry certainly doesn't control everything, they have
succeeded in establishing their claims of reduced demand not as a clue to go
into the PV powerplant business, but as a way to reduce their production.
Hopefully the non-oil-industry PV production owners will, over the next few
years, take some market share from the oil-industry participants, and continue
their production and perhaps plans for increased production.



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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage

[murdoch]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:39:33 -0500, you wrote:

>Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
>manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS tracked
>from X month  to the same registration month the next year. Then
>have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files.
>
>THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled"
>tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which route it
>took ... etc.
>
>No odometer reading necessary.
>
>Curtis

An interesting thought.  I think there is a lot of argument from those concerned
with individual rights that private and governmental entitities should not have
the ability to track the exact whereabouts of one's vehicle or person.  As to a
vehicle, I would choose to make it trackable in an emergency, because it bothers
me that it could be stolen at any time.  Car theft is still a problem, though
arguably some progress against it has been made (I use one of those brake-lock
rods rather than the steering-wheel kit).

As to full-time tracking of exact location, I think it would run afoul of
concerns about privacy, even if the original intent was an understandable
attempt to make road taxation more fair.



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Re: [biofuel] Rental Car Economics

[mark manchester]

We have a little company here in Toronto  "AutoShare"  www.autoshare.com
Looks like they've solved some of the problems.
Jesse

From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:37:05 -0700
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Rental Car Economics


Greg and April:

I also have been put off over the years when contemplating the economics of
car
rental, and often have come away feeling ripped off, whether from having had
to
rent one in an emergency, or from having wanted to consider avoiding buying
a
car, but the costs of occassional rental made this too difficult.

But there are many issues here, some of which could be delienated by saying
that, going forward, there are some possible innovations in the field.

A consumer-activist friend of mine (it's her job, and she's got a degree in
Materials  engineering to boot) has, for years, championed the idea(s) of
car-sharing.  I can't think of any links off-hand, but I think in some ways,
this is being tried as we speak.  The idea is basically that a group of
people
can have access to a car, or a business can make a fleet of cars available
to
those who subscribe.

In any case, that's just one thing to contemplate.

Another area that's always bugged me is the insurance ripoff inherent to
most of
my rental car experiences.  If one goes through the mainstream agencies and
buys
any of their insurance, on top of one's own insurance on one's own car (if
one
has a car), then the premiums are huge, and the daily and weekly costs of
rental
go up way too much.

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Re: [biofuel] Islam vs Christians vs Jews Was: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[William Clark]

Curtis,

I concur with your historical analysis of Judeo-Christian-Islamic ties. Your
belief that all do not worship the same God is another matter. I am not
chastising, only trying to make a point. Whatever God or Gods exist, "He",
"She", "It" or "They" are what they are. Men from all races and
nationalities do their best to worship based on their history and limited
understanding. What is different is their methods of worship. Just as you
and I might differ about the character of a mutual friend, people of
different backgrounds will disagree about the nature of God. There are no
different Gods for different religions, only differing opinions.

Bill C.
- Original Message -
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Subject: [biofuel] Islam vs Christians vs Jews Was: Stop the crazy son of a
Bush!


> From what little "I' understand,   I believe the 3 connect way up at
> "Abraham".   He had 2 sons  Isaac ... and Ishmael.   Isaac went on to
> form the bloodline for the Judeo-Christians.Ishmael ... went (somehow)
> on to form the "Islam" bloodline.  And then history went on from there.
>
> Judeo-Christian splitted off (like I said, in my "limited" understanding),
> when "Jesus Christ" came along.   Those who believed that he was  ahem
> ... "the Christ"  descended into the "Christian" lines.   Those who
did
> not  I believe ... formed the "Jews" group.
>
> Personally, I don't believe that all three "religions" "serve the same
God".
> But then again ... it's not "Baloney" either.
>
> I've always believe that Abraham ... served "a God".   His two kids,
watched
> their father "serving a God".   And each, tried their utmost best, trying
to
> remember what their father had spoken "about God".  But, as often the case
> of a people attending a seminar without the modern Tape Recorder, each
> remember different parts of the lecture.  Other parts, "can't quite be
> remembered what he said".   So each, try their best to "fill in the gaps"
>  based on the parts "that ARE remembered" ... a noble effort no
> doubt.  But still, because both are foundation-ed upon different things
that
> are remembered from the original sermon  of course, they end up
slightly
> different.   "Slightly" ... of course, I mean "in the grand scheme of
> things".
>
> Incidentally, as a favor to the group, I changed the subject heading ..
for
> easier archive search.
>
> Curtis
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> - Original Message -
> From: GuyW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> More baloney.  Do you have an advanced degree in Baloney?
>
> -Guy-
>
>
>
> -In response to Hakan Falk who writes --
>
> It also happens that the Muslims, Jews and Christians, all actually share
> the same God.
>
> Hakan
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Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work". and more idea's

[Greg and April]

The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped
territory, or off road.  Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent
on public streets were the funds would go.  Same problem applies to odometer
readings.   Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for
their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be
charged for what they don't use ether.

Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just
in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one.

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
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Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, "the
scam artists at work". and more idea's


> Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be
> manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS.   Then have that GPS tracked
> from X month  to the same registration month the next year. Then
> have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership
files.
>
> THERE ... car registration files ... with "how many miles it had traveled"
> tacked on the bottom.   Along with where the car went to ... which route
it
> took ... etc.
>
> No odometer reading necessary.
>
> Curtis
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RE: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...

[brucebrownlee]

http://www.lupousa.com

Give up.  It's not worth all the hassle and cost you will have to go through
before, during, and after getting that car imported.

If you are in love with the TDI... 1st...I hope you are aware of
http://www.tdiclub.com
2nd...In the US right now we only have the 90HP TDI Jetta (Bora), Golf, or
Beetle.
Supposedly newer PD TDI 100HP-130HP motors will be available in late 2003.
(But until it happens it's only a rumor)

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Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...


Contact a US-based auto broker. They can sometimes find a way.


>
>
>
>> No news, just whining.
>>
>> After two years of driving my VW Lupo 3L (Diesel 1.2 TDI) in the
>> Netherlands, I can't bring it home with me to the U.S.
>>
>> Sadly (and curiously), he's not on the list posted by the National
>> Highway
>> Transportation Safety Assoc. (NHTSA) of vehicles certified for import.
>> Also, he's got none of the U.S. certification sticker about which I've
> read.
>>
>> Have I overlooked any loopholes?  Any thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers, and keep up the highly informative posting.  Planning my own
>> homebrew operation back in the States by late fall.
>>
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Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[Bill Pizer]

Could someone explain to me why any one on this list uses a previous
unrelated subject for a new topic.  Such as:  Subject: Re: Re[2]: [biofuel]
Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

It would be clearer to the other readers if the old topic was left out of
the title.  When the old title is left in, this give me a problem because I
wait for a day or so and then sort my messages on the subject to get the
complete thread of the topic.  When the old subject is left in it seperated
topics by the subject and then splits the threads up.

So I would like to ask everyone to please take this in consideration when
starting or continuing a topic.

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[biofuel] Religious Violence Was: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[csakima]

I believe the whole "kill and die in the name of God" (in ALL religions)
 are a result of 3 statements that were made ("By God" ... but that's a
subject of a different thread (LOL)... whether he "did" ... or "not").

1. Moses/Ten Commandments - Thou shalt not shed innocent blood.

Thus "guilty blood" (such as a guy coming at you with a machete) ... becomes
a "valid target".   This explains why "killing in self defense" ... becomes
different than "pre-meditated murder in the first degree".



2.  Jesus - ... hath greater love, than a man who lays his life down for his
friends.

In modern-speak, this is the "running in front of your wife" ... to "take
the bullet" (meant for her).   Valiantly dying for the cause of love.



3. (I think) Jesus - .. but those who lose their life for my sake, shall
find it.

Dying for "a noble cause" (such as freedom of your land/country).   When
living means "serving the evil slave-master".   When dying becomes a "final
expession" that "one IS is free".This explains why "Taps" is often
played at a soldiers funeral.   Why "he (the soldier) died for all of us".


As you can see, ALL of these reasons for blood being spilt ... are just
ones.   I don't believe any member in this group, no matter what country,
creed, religion, sex, age group, or whatevers  would disagree with
fighting back when shot at, taking a bullet for one's spouse, or slashing
when no other choice is given but horrific, evil slavery.

IMHO, these statements (and other Prophet's renditions of it)  are where
it all comes from.   Notice that in its pure form, all reasons are
understandable and just.  The problem comes in when Power-hungry men twist
these statements into "that's why we must fight for MY
oil/money/land/slave-control/etc.

Notice how corporate "oil/money interest" .. gets spinned as "our
nations (freedom) interests".

BTW, I changed the subject heading ... for easier archive search.

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Hakan Falk:  Islam also preaches non violence.

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[biofuel] Islam vs Christians vs Jews Was: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[csakima]

[biofuel] Meaning what?? Was: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[csakima]

Please correct me Guy.

Your statement has an undercurrent of "more baloney  the other guy's are
of the devil ... and therefore have positioned themselves as our enemy.
Case closed".

I'm wrong right??

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Hakan: It also happens that the Muslims, Jews and Christians, all actually
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[biofuel] Meaning what?? Was: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[csakima]

Please correct me Guy.

Your statement has a undercurrent of "Baloney, those Islamic @#$%$#'s are
bombing, shooting terroristic violence makers AT THE CORE".

Please explain yourself  or as I'm probably wrong ... please correct me.

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Hakan:  Islam also preaches non violence

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Re: [biofuel] VW brake vacuum pump used to recover methanol

[mark schofield]

Dear Stan

Why not an air conditioning service pump? They
create high vacuum levels.

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Re: [biofuel] Dead car???

[Stanley Baer]

If the Jetta has the turbo diesel motor and the transmission really is 
wrecked, I'd be intereested in buying it.

stan

Grahams wrote:

> We were just given a VW Jetta. It had 25 miles, but ran fine.  My
> daughter, 19, who was to get the car, seems to have killed the 
> transmission
> practicing learning to drive stick.  It seems to only want to go into 
> third
> gear now.  I tagged it, and had it inspected. I put two new tires on 
> it and
> a new battery.  What do you all think I should do with it?  Junk it? fix
> it... any idea on cost? Or what is wrong?   I don't want to tow it in for
> an estimate if I should junk it- (the junk yard is across the highway,
> ;)   Any body need a couple of new Jetta tires?  (weep weep) I am in 
> VA, if
> someone is interested in this "project car."
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Contact a US-based auto broker. They can sometimes find a way.


>
>
>
>> No news, just whining.
>>
>> After two years of driving my VW Lupo 3L (Diesel 1.2 TDI) in the
>> Netherlands, I can't bring it home with me to the U.S.
>>
>> Sadly (and curiously), he's not on the list posted by the National  
>> Highway
>> Transportation Safety Assoc. (NHTSA) of vehicles certified for import.
>> Also, he's got none of the U.S. certification sticker about which I've
> read.
>>
>> Have I overlooked any loopholes?  Any thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers, and keep up the highly informative posting.  Planning my own
>> homebrew operation back in the States by late fall.
>>
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"Progress" - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

Martin:

Here is an excerpt from a letter to family member the other dayyou 
tell me...I guess I like to think it's progress...not just business or 
technical progress, but other kinds as well...

:-)

"I am still going non-stop. Got the other Jetta licensed yesterday (my 
"beater", the old one I took on trade to use while I wait for 
engines/vans/etc.) and then had to head off to a planting of sunflowers 
for fuel over at the Avalon property). What a hoot that was! We had a 
bunch of adults and kids and this big patch of sandy soil to plant, so 
we were running around mixing topsoil and peat and sunflower seeds, and 
planting in a circle, by hand, all around a big center-pivot irrigator 
head.

It's part of our big experiment in community-based biofuels production, 
organics, intercropping (we planted sunflower and Canola together, and 
hope that we get two oilseed crops...and weed suppression from the 
Canola. Both are solid-seeded...broadcast, not in rows. If all goes 
well it will be a profusion of energy-crop, bright yellow Canola with 
sunflowers sticking out above it, and some blue flax and cucumbers 
around the outside for colour. No industrial hemp, but I was joking we 
needed some of that too. Need a license to plant that stuff, though!!

So there were were all armed with rakes and seeds and soil, a bunch of 
dreamers. We had to spread the seed around and rake it in, so I 
organized a radial pattern (sunburst style) of raking crew, followed by 
cross-raking the other way for more spreading, and we did that by 
starting in the middle of the circle and following each other round and 
round, working our way out to the outside.  We then needed a "herd" to 
pack the soil. So again we started in the middle, working our way 
outward, doing a sort of hokey-pokey, shuffle the feet, 
Native/African/Everybody dance shuffle. and ended up with this mass of 
footprints in the slightly damp, enriched, planted seedbed.

Small kids from Mexico and Africa (some born there to their 
seemingly-quite-Canadian/American mothers, some quite obviously 
adopted), were following me around, and their mom starting singing some 
Spanish song - beautiful, followed by mother and daughter (and this kid 
was about 8) launching into Ledbelly's "Bring Me a Little Water Silvie" 
- with harmony. Just great. I was blown away by this whole scene. Well, 
everyone was.

So then this other longhair native dude brings out a big honkin' energy 
crystal of some sort (whatever!) and sticks it, semi-permanently in the 
ground, right in the middle of the circle,right under the irrigator 
tripod, and we followed up by burning a Virgin Mary in effigy on the 
bonfire (some gold-painted paper-mache Mary from over in Mary's Grotto 
over at the edge of the property...but she was gettin' pretty weathered 
and due for a Hindu banks-o-the-Ganges style cremation.

So we had the crystal (ice), the fire, and then turned on the big 
sprinkler just as the sun was going down...

You had to see it to believe it. We were all just smirking 
self-consciously about it all. Pretty funny. Not nearly as weird as it 
sounds, either. A sort of communal-life planting. Fun. But of course if 
anyone else had shown up, it'd be "what the heck is going ON here?"

The answer would be:

"Change, we hope."

"And a lot of fun doing it!!"

I wish Larry T had been there taking pictures!"

(Larry Towell, that is, a photojournalist friend of mine)

Ed





On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Martin Brook wrote:

> Just busy or busy making progress?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Neoteric Biofuels Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy
>
>
>> Just a note that coconut is the "tropical Canola", so to speak, of 
>> oils
>> for use as SVO.
>>
>> A nice profile...but you need to heat it even in the places it grows,
>> to use it as SVO.
>>
>> Of course, we have the answer on that one
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> cheers, all...still out here...darn busy these days, though!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Edward Beggs B.E.S., M.Sc.
>> http://www.biofuels.ca
>> Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
>> (VEG-Therm heaters, G3 SVO Kits, G3 SVO-Max kits, etc.)
>>
>> On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 09:01 PM, Michael Allen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>
>>> Sadly I don't think I think I can be a lot of *specific* help. You 
>>> see,
>>> here in Thailand we are working with palm oil from the west African
>>> palm
>>> (Elaeis guiniensis - the oil palm), not from the coconut palm. 
>>> However
>>> the
>>> oil is chemically very similar except that there are more saturated
>>> glycerides in coconut oil so its cloud point is usually a tad higher
>>> than
>>> palm oil.
>>>
>>> This means very little with regard to methyl ester formation except
>>> that
>>> you may need to carry out the reaction at 60C and make sure that all
>>> the
>>> little white flecks of stearin/palmitin have melted *before* the
>>> reaction
>>> is started. (Well that's what we do with the hi

Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

> Michael:
In regard to:
>
>> "Incidentally, there is no great secret in the Neoterics claim: You 
>> can run
>> diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just as you can on 
>> refined
>> palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the oil! We have done 
>> this by
>> passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank but, being in the
>> tropics, we do have a head-start: the air temperature is about 32C so 
>> our
>> oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use unrefined palm-oil 
>> which is
>> about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The research of my
>> colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours 
>> in
>> this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep 
>> asking
>> them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish 
>> negative
>> results!"

I think you sent info on this in the past to myself and others, and as 
I recall, this was done as a single-tank test? Also do you know how hot 
the oil was at the injection pump?

Two-tank, and adequate heating (70C+) might have helped with the 
unrefined oil test results.

BTW, what was involved in "refining" in this test?

Thanks, and best regards,

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[biofuel] Rental Car Economics

[murdoch]

Greg and April:

I also have been put off over the years when contemplating the economics of car
rental, and often have come away feeling ripped off, whether from having had to
rent one in an emergency, or from having wanted to consider avoiding buying a
car, but the costs of occassional rental made this too difficult.

But there are many issues here, some of which could be delienated by saying
that, going forward, there are some possible innovations in the field.

A consumer-activist friend of mine (it's her job, and she's got a degree in
Materials  engineering to boot) has, for years, championed the idea(s) of
car-sharing.  I can't think of any links off-hand, but I think in some ways,
this is being tried as we speak.  The idea is basically that a group of people
can have access to a car, or a business can make a fleet of cars available to
those who subscribe.

In any case, that's just one thing to contemplate.

Another area that's always bugged me is the insurance ripoff inherent to most of
my rental car experiences.  If one goes through the mainstream agencies and buys
any of their insurance, on top of one's own insurance on one's own car (if one
has a car), then the premiums are huge, and the daily and weekly costs of rental
go up way too much.

Over time (for example, when I"ve had a car break down), I've found agencies
which are more reasonably priced.  The daily rental is around $20, for a real
bottom-of-the-line vehicle (i.e., something I would drive during periods of
owning a vehicle), and they don't try an insurance ripoff on me.  There are
other ways in which they delienate themselves.  For example, they may be more
reasonable about the deposit they require.  Some agencies were nasty to me when
I had only a debit card and not a credit card (heaven forfend one should be
debt-averse), but some places are ok.

So, locally, there seems to be some room for enterprising non-chain outfits to
undercut the big guys and compete very much on price and service.  If the cars
are not as nice, some customers (not all) are willing to sacrifice this.

As anyone can tell from my various posts, a big overall topic for me is the
(T)otal (C)osts of (O)wnership of vehicles.  An interesting subset of this, I
think, is the costs of rental and the costs of insurance, and how they can
perhaps be changed, in part by consumer demand speaking clearly and in part by
other factors.

These topics are big ones and not to be finished in any one post or in a
hundred.  Overall I share your skepticism as to how the TCO of rental stacks up
to ownership, but over time I think this can change, and there are many facets
to the arguments, including the many difficulties and costs of ownership, such
as having to learn more about one's vehicle's maintenance, and the time and
effort this takes.

There could be exceptions of course to the idea that Rental is less adviseable
than ownership, such as if one lives in a city with terrific inner-city public
transportation but huge costs (not only money but time) of parking and-or
insurance.  In that scenario, depending on how often one needs to drive outside
the city, occassional rental may be adviseable as against ownership, perhaps.


On the separate issue of Road Taxes and their importance to tax revenues (local
and federal) and the inter-twining of this with alt-fuel advocacy efforts,
Robert has done a terrific job of championing the idea in the evworld.com
conference that unless or until we address the concerns of governments that
their tax revenues not be undercut by this or that alt-fuel effort, governments
will bring effective opposition to those alt fuel efforts.  But, his point seems
to be, they are not necessarily inherently opposed to those alt-fuel efforts per
se, if we could just find a way to help them continue to see their tax revenues,
even with a shift in fuels or vehicle types.

MM



>There is only a few cases were it really makes sense to use a rental car, 1)
>Your vehicle breaks down and you have no other option, and needing
>transportation, while it is being repaired. 2) Traveling to a different city
>by bus, train, or plane, and needing transportation at the destination.
>
>No, rentals are bad news, in the end, they cost more per mile than owning
>and maintaining your own.  For the cost of a cheaper rental, at $30.00 a
>day, I can change the oil in my vehicle 1 time if I take it to a Jiffy Lube,
>and 2+ times if I do it myself.  That same $30.00 covers 60%-75% of a
>complete tune up if I take it in to be done by someone else, or just about
>100% if I can do it myself.  $800.00 and change a year for insurance...at
>first glance that is not good, but, when you consider that that is for 2
>vehicles and a homeowners policy ( with a few little extras tacked on ),
>that is not bad at all.  Get your self a decent vehicle,  maintain it, and
>don't push it, you save a lot, in energy and money.
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...

[Thomas Stoskus]

Hi ,

Great story-- I guess US does the same thing as
Germany does to US or Japanese cars- does not allow to
import a car that does not have official homologation
for that car from the manufacturer. I faced same
problem when I tried to drive Acura integra in
germany-- I couldn't, because Honda hadn't homologated
it for Germany or Europe. God I was mad, because I had
two of them. Finaly, I found a loophole... but it
costed me so much time, energy and money. So the same
thing goes for Lupo to get improted to US. do not
waiste your energy, besided, no insurance company will
insure it-- they just do not have a risk data for this
car on US roads, and possible part replacement cost.
So, sell it, and in States you will be able to buy VW
jeta of golf with diesel engine.

Anyway, would you want to sell your Lupo to me?

Thomas


--- "M. Bjorn Ansbro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No news, just whining.
> 
> After two years of driving my VW Lupo 3L (Diesel 1.2
> TDI) in the 
> Netherlands, I can't bring it home with me to the
> U.S.
> 
> Sadly (and curiously), he's not on the list posted
> by the National Highway 
> Transportation Safety Assoc. (NHTSA) of vehicles
> certified for import.  
> Also, he's got none of the U.S. certification
> sticker about which I've read.
> 
> Have I overlooked any loopholes?  Any thoughts?
> 
> Cheers, and keep up the highly informative posting. 
> Planning my own 
> homebrew operation back in the States by late fall.
> 
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> 
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Re[3]: [biofuel] Stop the crazy son of a Bush! - was: WMD Poll Finds...

[Hakan]

Dear Gustl,

I looked if I could find something in search engines , but
only found articles in Swedish that spelled out his nationality.
Found a lot of material in English, but non mentioned his
nationality. His name could be mistaken for any Germanic
origin. Hans is common in Scandinavia as well as the
Germanic countries. Blixt (Lightning) is the same. If he
is refereed to as Austrian, it could be understandable.

His English is extremely good, but the accent is a little
bit more Nordic than Austrian, if you think about it. I have
been living outside of Sweden for quite a while, but I think
that he served a short while as foreign minister in Sweden.
His background, if I am not wrong, is in diplomatic service
not politics.

Thank you for the assistance on the other issues.

Hakan

At 08:49 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Hallo Hakan,
>
>Tuesday, 08 July, 2003, 01:44:25, you wrote:
>
>
>H> Dear Gustl,
>
>H> I did not know that he changed nationality. When he was
>H> in the Social democrat government of Sweden, he was for
>H> sure still a Swedish citizen.
>
>H> Hakan
>
>I  could  certainly  be  mistaken.  It is reported that he is Austrian
>here in the media which is where I  have taken my information on this.
>
>Happy Happy,
>
>Gustl



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Re[3]: [biofuel] Stop the crazy son of a Bush! - was: WMD Poll Finds...

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Hakan,

Tuesday, 08 July, 2003, 01:44:25, you wrote:


H> Dear Gustl,

H> I did not know that he changed nationality. When he was
H> in the Social democrat government of Sweden, he was for
H> sure still a Swedish citizen.

H> Hakan

I  could  certainly  be  mistaken.  It is reported that he is Austrian
here in the media which is where I  have taken my information on this.

Happy Happy,

Gustl








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Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Guy,

Monday, 07 July, 2003, 23:39:21, you wrote:

>Islam also preaches non violence.
> 
> Hakan
>
>Baloney.
>
>-Guy-
>
>> It also happens that the Muslims, Jews and Christians, all
>> actually share the same God.
>> 
>> Hakan

G> More baloney.  Do you have an advanced degree in Baloney?

G> -Guy-

Hakan is correct on both counts.  And your advanced degree is in what?
Obnoxious or just plain ignorance?

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Re: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...

[Appal Energy]

Check into the possibility of bringing it through Canada.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:20 AM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...


> No news, just whining.
>
> After two years of driving my VW Lupo 3L (Diesel 1.2 TDI) in the
> Netherlands, I can't bring it home with me to the U.S.
>
> Sadly (and curiously), he's not on the list posted by the National Highway
> Transportation Safety Assoc. (NHTSA) of vehicles certified for import.
> Also, he's got none of the U.S. certification sticker about which I've
read.
>
> Have I overlooked any loopholes?  Any thoughts?
>
> Cheers, and keep up the highly informative posting.  Planning my own
> homebrew operation back in the States by late fall.
>
> Bjorn Ansbro
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

[Sam Jai-In]

Hi Group Members,
A ferry fleet operator has used coconut oil instead of
diesel for the past three years on Samui Island. This
is another example of successful SVO story.

I read a paper on the emissions bebefits of biodiesel
published by EPA, they showed a result that if we use
saturated fatty acid feedstocks eg. animal fats, we
will get higher reduction of PM. Coconut-based
biodiesel would probably give similar advantages,
Micheal : Please comment on this.

Samai

 --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Michael, Bruce
> 
> >Dear Bruce,
> >
> >We can take this correspondence off-line if you
> prefer. All you have to do
> >is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not
> sure how interesting
> >coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US
> bureaucracy anyway!)
> 
> Please don't take it off-line, there's widespread
> interest in coconut 
> oil and the more information is available and
> publicly shared the 
> better - such discussions do much more good in the
> archives and 
> accessible to all than hidden away on a couple of
> people's hard disks.
> 
> >Incidentally, there is no great secret in the
> Neoterics claim: You can run
> >diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just
> as you can on refined
> >palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the
> oil! We have done this by
> >passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank
> but, being in the
> >tropics, we do have a head-start: the air
> temperature is about 32C so our
> >oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use
> unrefined palm-oil which is
> >about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The
> research of my
> >colleagues here shows that while refined oil will
> run over 3000 hours in
> >this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within
> 500 hours. I keep asking
> >them to write this up but I think there is a
> reluctance to publish negative
> >results!
> > My recollection of the medicinal properties of
> coconut "milk" is that
> >quenching your thirst on it leads to the world
> falling out of your bottom .
> >. . . . I have, however, been told that is high in
> potassium and can
> >actually settle the guts after a bad attack of
> Tropical Squits . . .
> >
> >I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to
> fuel. The problem is that
> >a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle
> can only muster about
> >40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the
> rest is discarded to the
> >environment. Co-generation is possible if you have
> a use for lots of tepid
> >water. But generally in the tropics, there is an
> abundance of this stuff!
> >Why it even falls out of the sky!
> >
> >I did design a coconut-shell fuelled heater for
> drying bananas in Tonga
> >many years ago. This was to help a health food
> company which had
> >effectively been attacked by a Peace Corp worker!
> He had insisted that they
> >use solar energy to dry the bananas in an
> inflatable building! Sadly the
> >air flow over the bananas was negligible and the
> intermittant electricity
> >supply caused the building to collapse onto the
> mouldy bananas anyway. This
> >was my initiation into "inappropriate technology"
> foisted onto developing
> >countries by poorly-educated westerners who carry
> absolutely no
> >responsibility for the outcome! Even a cursory
> glance at the met data would
> >have shown that Nuku'alofa is frequently overcast
> and that it can be cool
> >enough that pullovers are worn. And anyone in the
> street could have told
> >him about the frequent electrical black-outs. But
> hey! that was a lot of
> >years ago . . .  Things have changed . . . .
> have'nt they ?
> 
> :-) Nope, they haven't changed. But, now as then,
> there are people 
> who do excellent work, many of them (like you do
> Michael). But then 
> there are the others... Hard to know what to do
> about them - they're 
> full of good intentions which all too often end up
> paving the road to 
> hell, as it is written, but other people's hells,
> not theirs, and by 
> the time that happens they're long gone and seldom
> learn of it. "Of 
> course I can help, I've got a Western education!"
> Uh-huh... How to 
> sustain the goodwill and good intent but channel it
> towards a more 
> constructive outcome?
> 
> http://journeytoforever.org/rural.html
> Rural development - If it's not broken, don't fix it
> - Fixing what's broken
> 
> http://journeytoforever.org/community.html
> Community development
> 
> http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html
> Community development - poverty and hunger
> 
> Someone on another list just wrote this:
> 
> >IMO, and many others, an essential component in
> technology transfer is
> >PARTICIPATION (Yes, in capitals) And participate is
> to be part of, to share.
> >Only equals participate, non-equals only  help or
> adhere or accept.
>  
> Yea, verily... but it's difficult for Westerners not
> to be 
> patronizing. Difficult but not impossible.
> 
> regards
> 
> Keith
> 
> >Let me know, on-line or offline, if i can be 

Re: [biofuels-biz] The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work".

[Michael Allen]

Sorry Murdoch,

Didn't realise you had some questions in here.

I forget what the escape velocity is for Planet Earth. But I know that 
normal hydrogen molecules exceed it. That is why free hydrogen does not 
exist in our planet's atmosphere. Like free water on the moon, it just 
keeps going.

But you have a point: I would imagine that some hydrogen reacts with oxygen 
and ozone along the way. And perhaps with nitrogen too if the circumstances 
are right. I can't give you details because upper atmospheric chemistry and 
physics is above and beyond me :->.

Hydrogen embrittlement is encountered in the process of making methanol 
from natural gas and several other processes where hydrogen forms. It is 
generally thought to be due to the reaction of hydrogen with iron carbides 
in the steel forming methane under huge pressures. Chromium carbides are 
much more stable so equipment for handling hydrogen as a hot gas is usually 
made out of high chromium steels (Hastelloy C for example). Austenitic 
stainless steel cannot be used because welding reduces the local chromium 
content. I think that work-hardening also becomes serious below about -20C 
for both austenitic S/S and all the Hastelloys. The best bet is probably 
some thick-walled magnesium-aluminium alloy with piping fabricated in 304 
S/S. Why not ask NASA?

Of course these materials cost more than common low carbon steels. 
Technically it may be possible to put hydrogen under very high pressures 
and very low temperature into road tankers and coastal vessels for 
transportation. It may even be possible to put a tank in every automobile 
in the world. But it will not IMO be a low cost solution. And in true 
Hollywood style, there is a much greater risk of a car exploding on impact 
if it is storing very high pressure hydrogen in a fuel tank within it 
somewhere.

Sorry about the delay

Michael Allen
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   On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 23:10:37 -0700, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:52 +0700, you wrote:
>
>> Dear Hakan,
>>
>> Your summary of hydrogen production technology is, IMO, spot on.
>>
>> However you say nothing about the distribution losses that have always 
>> plagued "City Gas" (which also contains carbon monoxide). This is not, 
>> as is commonly supposed, just caused by poorly maintained pipes: The 
>> hydrogen molecule is so very small that it can pass through atomic sized 
>> gaps. As a consequence, some pretty sophisticated equipment is required 
>> for its compression, storage and distribution. Even stainless steel 
>> pipes can lose hydrogen molecules! When I was working with the stuff, I 
>> was warned of the severe explosion risk caused by hydrogen lines, 
>> particularly in ducts, due to its very wide flammability range and its 
>> ability to find the smallest hole to escape through. I also remember 
>> that I was on no account to put my finger over a leaking hydrogen jet 
>> because the small molecule would pass through my skin and cause an 
>> embolism. In fact the only advantage of hydrogen storage and 
>> transportation that I ever discovered was that it doesn't hang around 
>> when it leaks: It heads straight up and tries to leave this planet.
>
> Question is: how much of it succeeds?
>
>> For this reason, hydrogen carrying pipes were/are always brought around 
>> the outside of buildings. It is true that NASA has made some truly 
>> remarkable advances in the safe handling of hydrogen. But somehow I 
>> can't see my local filling station being able to match NASA even though 
>> they have considerable experience in handling compressed natural gas 
>> (CNG) and liquid propane gas (LPG) as transport fuels. Hydrogen is in an 
>> entirely different league. And then, of course, there is hydrogen 
>> embrittlement  . .
>
> What is "hydrogen embrittlement"?
>
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[biofuels-biz] Can't bring my Lupo back to the US...

[M. Bjorn Ansbro]

No news, just whining.

After two years of driving my VW Lupo 3L (Diesel 1.2 TDI) in the 
Netherlands, I can't bring it home with me to the U.S.

Sadly (and curiously), he's not on the list posted by the National Highway 
Transportation Safety Assoc. (NHTSA) of vehicles certified for import.  
Also, he's got none of the U.S. certification sticker about which I've read.

Have I overlooked any loopholes?  Any thoughts?

Cheers, and keep up the highly informative posting.  Planning my own 
homebrew operation back in the States by late fall.

Bjorn Ansbro

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[biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

[Marc de Piolenc]

Message: 6
Michael Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"We can take this correspondence off-line if you prefer. All you have to
do 
is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not sure how interesting 
coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US bureaucracy anyway!)"

Please include me in your addressee list if you do go off-list - I am
very interested and may even be able to help a little.

"The research of my 
colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours in 
this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep
asking 
them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish
negative 
results!"

It would be interesting to know exactly what component of the unrefined
oil is causing the mischief. If it's water, as I suspect, that's
relatively easy to fix. If it's free fatty acids...oops.

" My recollection of the medicinal properties of coconut "milk" is that 
quenching your thirst on it leads to the world falling out of your
bottom . 
. . . . I have, however, been told that is high in potassium and can 
actually settle the guts after a bad attack of Tropical Squits . . ."

Forgive my pedantry, but coconut water and coconut milk are not the
same. The water is a clear liquid that partly fills the interior of a
green nut; in fully mature nuts it is almost completely absorbed in the
"meat" that lines the interior of the shell. The milk, on the other
hand, is the pressings of the meat; in other words, coconut milk
includes oil unless the oil has been extracted. The impoverished natives
of Bougainville island use a sort of fermentation to separate oil from
crude coconut milk for burning in diesel vehicles.

"I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to fuel. The problem is
that 
a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle can only muster
about 
40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the rest is discarded to
the 
environment. Co-generation is possible if you have a use for lots of
tepid 
water. But generally in the tropics, there is an abundance of this
stuff! 
Why it even falls out of the sky!"

40% is damn' good - a small steam plant really can't get anywhere near
that. Please consider that 25% (say) is 25% more than nothing, which is
what you get if you leave the shells to rot or just burn them in piles
to get rid of them. Furthermore, the waste heat can be used for process
heating. The more progressive coconut oil refineries here are using coco
shell and/or rice husks in their boilers. Typically, the boilers are
used only for process steam, not for power.

Marc de Piolenc
Iligan City, Philippines

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!

[Hakan]

Guy,

Explanation please, offenses does not explain in what sense
I am wrong and why. It does not really contribute to any kind
kind of knowledge other than about an insight in your thinking.

Hakan


At 08:39 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > It also happens that the Muslims, Jews and Christians, all
> > actually share the same God.
> >
> > Hakan
>
>More baloney.  Do you have an advanced degree in Baloney?
>
>-Guy-



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