[biofuel] under the give me a break heading.
you know , I am an organic chemist and occasionally am pressed into service to teach biochemistry. I had no idea that silica was important in human physiology. and neither apparently do the authors of major biochemistry or physiology text books- those which are used to train physicians and medical researchers. If in fact it is important, one would think that it would be common knowledge. Gosh., do you think that traces of silica would strengthen the pistons in my aging diesel- it makes about as much sense. I for one would like references on the specific physiological role of silica before spending a dime on your herbs. Horsetail Herb Equisetum arvense , The primary uses of horsetail revolve around its wealth of mineral content and, especially, its silica content. Silica is very important to the body, our hair, bones and nails. Though richly available in the Earth crust this inorganic form is not well used by the body. The best sources of usable silica are plants, and, of the plants, horsetail is by far the best. -- -- Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistryhttp://ozarker.org/bob --- Some scientists claim that Hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than Hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. - Frank Zappa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1782
I'm thinking about the tank used as a secondary tank for oil in straight WVO set-ups. I'm not an engineer or anything, but is there any reason that the 'tank' couldn't be more of a large flat enclosed tray-shaped thing? It would seem that this would greatly facilitate the speed at which the oil would heat and/ or require less heat to do it. Anyone? Quinn - Original Message - From: James H Maud Essen wrote: Can block, tank, or fuel line heaters be made to work off a solar panel? Maud St. Louis, MO I would guess most block, tank, or fuel heaters draw between 15 and 100 amps. A 75 watt Photovoltaic module would put out 4 amps in ideal conditions. Therefore you would need minimum 4 panels at $350 each to run a 15amp heater. More likely you would need 10 - 20 modules. My 6 panels give me between 1 and 24 amps during sunlight hours. James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mark Schofield's BD plant was Re: USING SEPAR
Hi Depends on the feed stock. Mark --- skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which acid-base method are you using? mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Yes, the samples are being sent to a GC lab on Monday. The most basic test is to boil to 60'C cool and then freeze thaw. If the product does not cloud and is pH neutral, its good enought for GC testing. I certainly haven't seen any problems to date. I have bought a 205 1.8 Diesel to be fitted with a re-furb engine for long term emission tests. I have bought a vacuum recovery unit capable of removing 125 moles of Methanol a second, which is of order 6300 CFM at 50mtorr. It is a beast of a plant, I am very happy with it. I had a site visit yesterday (Thursday 2 Oct) and everything looks to be getting there in part. I can operate at single base, double base or acid-base depending upon the feed stock. The plant will be on-line in 3 months. I may open a web site detailing our progress. Regards Mark = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps __ __ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.c Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Energy
Anyone for tomorrows energy today? http://members.fortunecity.com/geoffegel/aquagen.htm James Hi James Tomorrow's news yesterday... (Um, does pure hydrogen burn?) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] AquaFuel I am writing to introduce you to the unique qualities of AquaFuel, a non-fossil alternative fuel with many applications. As you may be surprised to find out, AquaFuel is cheaper, safer and cleaner than acetylene, gasoline, diesel fuel, propane, natural gas, jet fuel and hydrogen. In fact, AquaFuel is the only known fuel that gives off oxygen when burned. With AquaFuel you can power plants and, as a free by-product, treat waste water. As you may find that you are curious to discover more about AquaFuel and its uses, let me suggest that you return this e-mail to me with your mailing address and we will send you a complete package. Sincerely, John E. Lux President AquaLux Corporation http://www.AquaFuel.com How is this different from Brown's Gas? Which requires as much energy to produce as is produced so is effectively no use! Ed Service Really Ed, next you'll be saying that snake oil I bought won't make my hair grow back. Must work or it wouldn't have been so expensive. O ye of little faith. It was posted simultaneously to several other lists. He just subscribed today. What think y'all, spam or not? A water-based fuel that burns hotter than anything except pure hydrogen, produces more BTU's than natural gas and produces three times more ENERGY than is used to create it. See for yourself * Click here to see AquaFuel being made. * Click here to see AquaFuel in action. It sounds impossible, but the United States Patent Office doesn't seem to think so. To date, they've issued six wide-ranging patents on an alternative ENERGY source called AquaFuel. AquaFuel is not a fossil fuel like coal and oil. It actually releases pure oxygen and water when burned. In an exclusive demonstration to BayNews9.com at their St. Petersburg/Clearwater Airport-area laboratory, the inventor and several aides showed how the inexpensive fuel is produced. Ho-hum. Keith Addison Yes, I think it would be good of them to show how this is of benefit since the electiricty for the arc has to come from somewhere, and presumably the gas has to be compressed to be of much use in mobile applications. Ed B. I would be surprised to find out that this is just bad science, instead of a scam. Steve Spence I just checked out their website and I am highly skeptical. This smells like a scam to me. They are very unclear about what AquaFuel is. There is a total lack of a scientific explaination of the process by which this fuel is used. No molecular equations are presented which explain the chemical reactions involved. In any case the law of entropy insures that even if this device produces a useable gas the total energy available will be less than the amount of electricity used to produce the aquafuel. They are very vague about what source of electricity should be used. I would investigate very carefully before making any agreement or purchase. I would want to check the Better Business Bureau and the Chamber of Commerce. A search of the local newspaper going back several years wouldn't be a bad idea either. When it seems too good to be true it usually is. The other warning sign is that they seem to be holding back information. Andrew Does the word scam mean anything to the rest of you? robert luis rabello I thought that when you ran electricity through water you got 2 Hydrogen and 1 Oxygen, H2O. We collected it in Jr. High School science class. Anyone want to comment on it? Greg The Aqua Fuel people are using carbon in the process. It's similar to arc welding under water, with dismal exergy problems equal to or exceeding electrolysis, but it produces H2 and CO as the gas. Scams like this can be patented without substantiation by independent laboratories. Invest with care. robert luis rabello Found someone who has posted their small DIY Aquafuel generator online along with links to the patents. http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/aquagen.htm Ian Energy negative Terry As these people are close to me, about 40 miles I'll try to reach them monday. However Fla is the scam capital of the US. They neglect to mention that they burn carbon rods for fuel too. I was wondering where the C was coming from. jerry dycus I went down to AquaLux tonight after work. They were packing up but I did meet Mr. Lux himself. They are having a demo tomorrow (Tuesday 3-20-01) at 7:30 PM. When I stopped by the door was unlocked so I went in and started wandering around the place. It is just an office in a strip mall type industrial park. I walked in on a meeting with
[biofuel] Free energy and magic dust, etc
We received the following report from the deputy manager of the Crystal Ball New Energy Technology Assessment and Marching Band Dept at DREADCOR, the poor feller: It has come to our attention that yet another of the irregular and mysterious clusterings of sudden and inexplicable mass interest in free energy scams along with apparently simultaneous spamming of same is seemingly taking place. We're working on correlations of the onset of this enigmatic phenomenon with increased sunspot activity along with the incidence of mass political dissonance in California, and hope soon to have clear answers, as well as effective antidotes and vaccines (though we don't think it'll help California). We have good reason to believe that this might be achieved prior to the dreaded onset of the most critical phase of this unfortunate malaise, ie, widespread fascination with the alleged wonders of (aarghhh!) magnets in relation to claimed massive improvements in the fuel economy of otherwise ordinary internal combustion engines of a terrestrial nature, but would strongly counsel against any consideration of an early lifting due to overconfidence in these predictions of the BAN on discussion of magnets, just in case. Yours, Magnus Scroot, Dep.Man. CBNETAMBD-DREADCOR. We called Magnus seeking further information but his auto-responder sent us 302 emails saying Gone fishing. Magnets nonetheless remain banned (by popular demand). Best wishes Keith Addison Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection?
I think that this concept is not a hoax. Platinum is a most remarkable element, which serves as a catalyst to many chemical reactions. How they did it? Possibly by heating platinum wire to a very high temperature and putting it on the way of intake air. Alex - Original Message - From: merlinsaintgermain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection? Dear robert, Why do you advise people to hold onto their wallets? What do you know about platinum fuel injection? If one can economically reduce fuel consumption by up to 30%, greatly reduce harmful emissions, and dramatically reduce engine wear and maintenance, then isn't that good for the wallet? Merlin merlinsaintgermain wrote: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinum injection? Extracts from National Fuelsaver company site: With a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gasaver adds microscopic quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering the engine. Hold onto your wallets, everyone! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Energy
All the above sounds like an investigation worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Prejudice in science and technology seems to work exactly the same way as in religion, health, and all other aspects of life. I'm not saying that aquafuels is not a scam, just that your process of analysis betrays more about your prejudices than it reveals about the alleged technology. Apparently many biodiesel fanatics are just as bigotted as gasoline fanatics. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance ö that principle is contempt prior to investigation. ö Herbert Spencer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Dear Keith, Your ridicule of alternative energy technologies, and fuel efficiency improvement technologies, is totally unscientific. Would you stake your life that there are no existing technologies that can improve the efficiency of any internal combustion engines, reduce emissions, and / or reduce wear and tear? Are you omniscient? Do you know everything that can be known about magnets and their potential applications in the energy field? Arrogant contempt for new information is a major bar to human progress. Are you, or anyone else, able to prove a priori that your current knowledge is the sum total of all possible knowledge? Has science and technology reached its apotheosis, with no further progress possible? Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer scientific and technological obstructionists like you whose pronouncements about the law of entropy and invocation of other primitive laws of nature to disprove any assertion outside of your narrow worldviews. Increasingly, humanity is maturing into an objective, informed, humble, curious and open state of mind which acknowledges the incompleteness of human knowledge and the inevitable, unlimited forward march of progress in all aspects of living, insofar as we are willing to be open to new discoveries and revise our imperfect understanding of the universe. Merlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] projected US Energy demand and pricing for this winter
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031007/0846000354_2.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1782
Quinn said: I'm thinking about the tank used as a secondary tank for oil in straight WVO set-ups. I'm not an engineer or anything, but is there any reason that the 'tank' couldn't be more of a large flat enclosed tray-shaped thing? It would seem that this would greatly facilitate the speed at which the oil would heat and/ or require less heat to do it. That would depend. Here in Utah, in the summer a large flat black tank, exposed to the sun would heat the contents more quickly than a tank with a lower surface area to volume ratio, but then in the winter, the second tank (with less surface area to volume) would lose heat more slowly than the first tank. How are you heating the tank? Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO filtration
OK, in a sudden surge of unexplained brain activity, I figured that what I needed to do was rip the paper out of the filter, wrap the outside of the filter with ordinary window screen, and seal it with silicone. All done with loose bits I had laying about. Result: one cheap, washable, reusable WVO pre-filter. After processing, I'll use the finer diesel oil filter to get the small stuff out. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, maimino1984 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't had much luck with a similiar setup - I tried using an Omni Wholehouse water filter with a 20 mic pleated paper filter and unheated WVO would not move through it. I'm assuming that the oil must be heated first. However, not sure if the filter housing can take any signifiacnt temperatures. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Grant Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ,I have used a 10clear water filter housing set with 20 5 micron pleated filters inside ,you will need a small 12 or 24 volt pump to move it around . just a suggestion , i have found these far less expensive than using a racor filter .They last longer too . If you have trouble finding a cheap set of filters pump , i can help you there too . Best Regards Grant Simpson From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] WVO filtration Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:41:27 -0400 Does anyone have any suggestions for a small portable filter set for filtering WVO into my fuel tank? TIA, AP _ Gaming galore at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection?
What beats me, is why we discuss this on a list for biofuels. Only the fact that most of the people on the list are interested in using bifuels or are already using them, make this questionable gimmick obsolete. The one who tried to get interest for this, cannot be familiar with or interested in biofuels and especially biodiesel. Apart from the well founded concerns about platinum, this is like selling ice to Eskimos. -:)) Hakan At 06:15 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: Getting cancer isn't good for the wallet and I would rather inhale 0.1ppm cyanide than platinum. Metals that exhibit catalytic action are hell in biological systems. For example, a simple method of inducing a tumor in a rat is to place a bit of nickel wire under his skin. I suppose platinum would do as well or better but nickel is cheaper. Kirk -Original Message- From: merlinsaintgermain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:24 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection? Dear robert, Why do you advise people to hold onto their wallets? What do you know about platinum fuel injection? If one can economically reduce fuel consumption by up to 30%, greatly reduce harmful emissions, and dramatically reduce engine wear and maintenance, then isn't that good for the wallet? Merlin merlinsaintgermain wrote: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinum injection? Extracts from National Fuelsaver company site: With a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gasaver adds microscopic quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering the engine. Hold onto your wallets, everyone! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinum injection?
Hello Merlin Dear Keith, Thanks for your reply. There are several things about your letter that I don't fully understand. So it would appear. I'll deal with this first: You seem to be accusing me of having a financial interest in PI. No, I asked if you did have, and you evaded the question, which made it more likely that you did have, so I asked again. You can accuse me of lying, I didn't do that. but it only betrays your own cynical and suspicious nature. Not at all, I don't have such a nature, and there's a LOT of material in the archives of this group, and elsewhere, that proves it. What I do have is a healthy scepticism, but it doesn't go with cynicism and suspicion, it goes with optimism in fact. It'd be very difficult to explain our project otherwise. Which is here, by the way: http://journeytoforever.org/ I think you might have done yourself a favour or two by browsing the list's archives a bit before you leapt in to tell us all what's good and what's not. On the other hand, your own nature seems to be rather paranoid, no? And secretive. I only learned about fuelsaver a few days ago. Oh? Yet you've learnt so much about it, including its history, how it's developed, how many are in use (give or take half a million or so). As I said, I am associated with a group who is able to produce large amounts of platinum and other PGMs for a lower price than other producers. That is why I am exploring the potential properties and markets for these metals. Yes, so you said, and you also said this about it: These things all deserve careful scrutiny, in my opinion. To which I responded: So how do we get to submit your claim that you've solved the supply problem to a careful scrutiny? And again you haven't answered the question. With between 500,000 and 1 million fuel savers in operation worldwide, I think that it should be possible to determine whether they perform as represented or not. Can you provide some substantiation for that figure? Please try to hoist it aboard that if you're going to make the kind of definitive statements you've been making here about issues you have to know by now are controversial, mere opinionations won't do, we're more rigorous than that here. And it shouldn't need to take 35 years. The fuelsavers were developed in the 1970's or 1980's, Yes, that's when Robert says he got bitten by them. and have been improved over the years by adding more varieties of PGM's to increase octane rating and reduce emissions. Many studies have been done, and many thousands of testimonials accrued. But you don't cite any studies - what studies? Real ones, scientific studies, published in peer-reviewed journals? Please provide citations. We're not impressed by testimonials, all the energy and fuel-saving scams have long been fraught with ample testimonials. If it can be shown that the downside of catalytic converters is negligible or slight, That has not been shown. and the upside enormous, then the decision should be to use them. No, the decision should be - should long since have been - to determine exactly what the downside is and what it entails before rushing into production. It's called the Precautionary Principle, maybe you've heard of it. An archive search will help if you haven't. And that is what society has done. You seem to be arguing for the banning of catalytic converters. I'm afraid you're being ridiculous, I've done no such thing, nor ever would, quite the opposite, and I'd argue it's been to some effect, and I could prove it. This is the first that I have heard of such a proposal. Can you lay out or provide a link to a cost-benefit analysis? What is your alternative proposal, which is practical, and more beneficial for the environment? What I proposed, and I've called attention to it before, was clear enough in my previous message: I called for somewhat better answers to platinum waste and pollution than those currently available, I cited the two references I gave before (still not sure that you've read them): From the news articles I reffed: We know palladium gets off the catalytic particle and is transferred into the biological system, but we don't know how, says environmental chemist Greg Morrison of Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg, Sweden. Schneegurt hopes the study will cause manufacturers to consider making changes to the converters. Catalytic converters do far more good than harm, but we don't want to replace one problem with another, he said. ... and asked why this wasn't investigated 25 years ago. Now how does that amount to calling for a ban on catalytic converters? You seem to speak of biodiesel and platinum injection as either/or. No. Biodiesel is real, I'd like to see some substantive indication that platinum injection isn't just magic dust. But I am interested in exploring the combining of the two. You're interesting in selling platinum, that's quite clear. You seem to be interested
[biofuel] Re: Energy
merlinsaintgermain wrote: All the above sounds like an investigation worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Prejudice in science and technology seems to work exactly the same way as in religion, health, and all other aspects of life. A healthy scepticism that asks for substantiation is not prejudice, you have failed to produce any science and technology, only opinion, your ever-louder protests are more and more confirming the need for scepticism, and it seems you're getting a little desperate, else surely you'd have realised that the investigation you're attacking is a chronological list of posts from many different list members, virtually the whole thread the last time the subject of aquafuels came up, taken from the archives. I'm not saying that aquafuels is not a scam, just that your process of analysis What analysis? I didn't provide any analysis, only archive material. betrays more about your prejudices than it reveals about the alleged technology. I take it you're addressing this to me? Feeling persecuted because the list isn't lapping up your every word, so you've taken to labelling - cynical and suspicious the last time, now prejudiced, fanatics, bigotted, ignorant. Is this the best you can do? You're not going to flog many fuelsavers that way. Apparently many biodiesel fanatics are just as bigotted as gasoline fanatics. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance ö that principle is contempt prior to investigation. ö Herbert Spencer You have't provided any information, just unsubstantiated opinion. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Merlin Dear Keith, Your ridicule of alternative energy technologies, and fuel efficiency improvement technologies, is totally unscientific. No, I'm sceptical of totally unscientific free-energy and fuel-economy scams. Such as these: Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm It's still alive and well, the free energy scam industry, as Mr Scroot has warned. Would you stake your life that there are no existing technologies that can improve the efficiency of any internal combustion engines, reduce emissions, and / or reduce wear and tear? Of course not. Are you omniscient? Do you know everything that can be known about magnets and their potential applications in the energy field? Once yet again, go and check out the archives, and you'll find that the list ban on magnets was indeed imposed by popular demand, and you'll see why. You are being insulting, and rather foolish, your barbs are ill-aimed and fail to strike home, and they might turn out to be boomerangs. You were not insulted, you were asked direct and valid questions about the information you posted and the claims you made, and you've responded with insults, sneers, labellings and disparagement - but no real answers to the questions. You're protesting much too loudly. Now, attend to business please: stop trying to distract and obfuscate, provide verifiable substantiation for the claims you've made about the fuelsaver and your relationship with the company, about platinum injection and your techniques for cheap extraction of platinum that you say deserve careful scrutiny. In other words, prove you're not a spammer. Best be quick about it. Keith Addison List owner Arrogant contempt for new information is a major bar to human progress. Are you, or anyone else, able to prove a priori that your current knowledge is the sum total of all possible knowledge? Has science and technology reached its apotheosis, with no further progress possible? Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer scientific and technological obstructionists like you whose pronouncements about the law of entropy and invocation of other primitive laws of nature to disprove any assertion outside of your narrow worldviews. Increasingly, humanity is maturing into an objective, informed, humble, curious and open state of mind which acknowledges the incompleteness of human knowledge and the inevitable, unlimited forward march of progress in all aspects of living, insofar as we are willing to be open to new discoveries and revise our imperfect understanding of the universe. Merlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Emissions abatement systems benefit the environment
You're getting very confused Merlin. Merlin: I suspect that developing superior, cleaner, safer and more efficient catalytic converters and affixing them to all sources of air emissions is the correct path, simultaneous with developing biodiesel and more fuel efficient engines of all kinds. The experts in PGM metallurgy feel that with a little research they can produce an extremely efficient, zero emissions (even no CO2) gas, coal, or diesel power plant. That would be very good for the environment, our pocketbooks, and world security. Keith: Sorry to say so, but it's pie-in-the-sky. At best, it'll be a decade or two before it makes much difference, if any. While we're all interested in new developments, future possibilities and what-if's, the focus has to be on ready-to-use technology, and some of us here are kind of rigorous about confusing the one with the other. Comment: What is pie in the sky? Air pollution abatement is already a major world industry, and platinum catalysis is one of the primary methods of scrubbing CO HCs NOx and other emissions from factories and energy plants. There are millions and millions of smokestacks spewing out greenhouse gases and a wide variety of pollutants, and there are many existing, proven, readily available technologies to clean up these emissions. Are you saying that it is impractical to suggest that these proven technologies can be used to reduce emissions from more pollution sources? Do you recommend that catalytic converters of all kinds be banned, and stripped off of cars and factories? Your strange and baseless assumptions aside, as well as the words you're trying to put into my mouth, you've quoted yourself as saying The experts in PGM metallurgy feel that with a little research they can produce an extremely efficient, zero emissions (even no CO2) gas, coal, or diesel power plant. Which puts it firmly in the bracket of new developments, future possibilities and what-if's. Pie in the sky. The main barrier that I know of to cleaning up the air in the world, up until now, has been the lack of will. And also a shortage of PGMs. My associates have solved the problem of the shortage of PGMs, and their high cost. So you keep saying, and you suggest we subject it to a careful scrutiny, and I keep asking how we are to do that when all we have is your say-so. Until we have something more substantive than that, it's just more pie in the sky. Now it seems that there is another obstacle to the use of pollution abatement technology. The campaign against platinum catalysis pollution abatement technology. Can you tell me more about this campaign? And what do the anti-platinum activists propose as an alternative? Well, you just dreamed it up all by yourself, why don't you tell us? You imply that no research has been done about the pollution erosion problem in catalytic converters. No, I didn't imply that. I provided two published news articles, which you apparently didn't read, or at least failed to comprehend, which leaves you labouring under something of a disadvantage. I find this highly improbable. The catalytic converter industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, and vast amounts of research is going on. Reduction of erosion is certain to have been a major focus of research, as it bears on the longevity and efficiency of catalytic converters. Technical innovations are happening continuously in catalytic converter design, both of the substrates and the catalysts. Hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent each year on research into the properties of platinum catalysts. I'm not exagerating either. Much of this research is not published publicly, because it is privately funded in a highly competitive industry. Ah, so THAT'S why we just have to take your word for it all. Sorry, won't wash. In essence that's not too different from what Dennis Lee says. You wish to presume that the platinum pollution problem is of course being dealt with or has been dealt with and/or that it's not a problem anyway, an assumption apparently based on the number of dollars the industry is worth. Trust Us We're Experts. The chemicals industry's even bigger, so is the fossil-fuels industry, so is the nuclear power industry. Merlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Solexol Bio-diesel FFA Separation
Dear All Has anyone experience of the Solexol FFA removal technique using liquid propane? Apparently, LPG ha the ability to up-take triglycerides and leave behind FFA. A very useful technique. Regards = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PLEASE READ THIS - was Re: Digest Number 1782
If you have your subscription set to daily digest mode (not the best way to handle email, incidentally) and you respond to a message in the digest, the auto-reply doesn't fill in the subject line for you with the subject of the message you're responding to but with the digest title, such as Re: Digest Number 1782. PLEASE don't do this - it messes up the threads, makes following the posts much more difficult, and clutters up archives searches for evermore. CHANGE THE TITLE! This subject should be Re: cold weather, not Re: Digest Number 1782, but who's to know? Thankyou. Keith Addison List owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection?
Getting cancer isn't good for the wallet and I would rather inhale 0.1ppm cyanide than platinum. Metals that exhibit catalytic action are hell in biological systems. For example, a simple method of inducing a tumor in a rat is to place a bit of nickel wire under his skin. I suppose platinum would do as well or better but nickel is cheaper. Kirk -Original Message- From: merlinsaintgermain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:24 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection? Dear robert, Why do you advise people to hold onto their wallets? What do you know about platinum fuel injection? If one can economically reduce fuel consumption by up to 30%, greatly reduce harmful emissions, and dramatically reduce engine wear and maintenance, then isn't that good for the wallet? Merlin merlinsaintgermain wrote: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinum injection? Extracts from National Fuelsaver company site: With a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gasaver adds microscopic quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering the engine. Hold onto your wallets, everyone! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Energy
Mr. Spencer, Would you please be so kind as to include the message or parts of the message(s) to which you refer to as all of the above, especially when you make such sweeping and condescending remarks as you have below. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: merlinsaintgermain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Energy All the above sounds like an investigation worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Prejudice in science and technology seems to work exactly the same way as in religion, health, and all other aspects of life. I'm not saying that aquafuels is not a scam, just that your process of analysis betrays more about your prejudices than it reveals about the alleged technology. Apparently many biodiesel fanatics are just as bigotted as gasoline fanatics. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation. - Herbert Spencer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Energy
Herbert. Interesting remark Spanish Inquisition, it was all about living simple, without waste and faithfully. Maybe it will be a similar period soon, when the people who are wasting energy and resources will be pursued. Watch it dear SUV owner, Guantanamo bay is next. Methods of torture will today be replaced with chemicals and electronic devices as lie detectors, the latter is already popular in US. Maybe US can expand the facilities on Cuba, a nice little lawless facility in the spirit of Spanish Inquisition and comfortably exempted from any human rights. I think that the US administration would be admired by Isabel and Ferdinand. What you are talking about is the very popular experiment in the basic chemistry classes. In Swedish we call it knallgas, (knall = bang) because of the sound when it explodes. I was never really good in chemistry, but nothing new with hydrogen. Hakan At 02:40 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: All the above sounds like an investigation worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Prejudice in science and technology seems to work exactly the same way as in religion, health, and all other aspects of life. I'm not saying that aquafuels is not a scam, just that your process of analysis betrays more about your prejudices than it reveals about the alleged technology. Apparently many biodiesel fanatics are just as bigotted as gasoline fanatics. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance ö that principle is contempt prior to investigation. ö Herbert Spencer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] heaters powered by PV
You could use the PV panel to charge a battery then run the heaters for a while before you go. You don't need to run the heater continuously (correct me if I'm wrong please) James H wrote: Maud Essen wrote: Can block, tank, or fuel line heaters be made to work off a solar panel? Maud St. Louis, MO I would guess most block, tank, or fuel heaters draw between 15 and 100 amps. A 75 watt Photovoltaic module would put out 4 amps in ideal conditions. Therefore you would need minimum 4 panels at $350 each to run a 15amp heater. More likely you would need 10 - 20 modules. My 6 panels give me between 1 and 24 amps during sunlight hours. James -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Keith, Link did not work for me, probably it was obsolete and deleted after Bush published his energy plan. Hakan At 05:51 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: Merlin Dear Keith, Your ridicule of alternative energy technologies, and fuel efficiency improvement technologies, is totally unscientific. No, I'm sceptical of totally unscientific free-energy and fuel-economy scams. Such as these: Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm It's still alive and well, the free energy scam industry, as Mr Scroot has warned. Would you stake your life that there are no existing technologies that can improve the efficiency of any internal combustion engines, reduce emissions, and / or reduce wear and tear? Of course not. Are you omniscient? Do you know everything that can be known about magnets and their potential applications in the energy field? Once yet again, go and check out the archives, and you'll find that the list ban on magnets was indeed imposed by popular demand, and you'll see why. You are being insulting, and rather foolish, your barbs are ill-aimed and fail to strike home, and they might turn out to be boomerangs. You were not insulted, you were asked direct and valid questions about the information you posted and the claims you made, and you've responded with insults, sneers, labellings and disparagement - but no real answers to the questions. You're protesting much too loudly. Now, attend to business please: stop trying to distract and obfuscate, provide verifiable substantiation for the claims you've made about the fuelsaver and your relationship with the company, about platinum injection and your techniques for cheap extraction of platinum that you say deserve careful scrutiny. In other words, prove you're not a spammer. Best be quick about it. Keith Addison List owner Arrogant contempt for new information is a major bar to human progress. Are you, or anyone else, able to prove a priori that your current knowledge is the sum total of all possible knowledge? Has science and technology reached its apotheosis, with no further progress possible? Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer scientific and technological obstructionists like you whose pronouncements about the law of entropy and invocation of other primitive laws of nature to disprove any assertion outside of your narrow worldviews. Increasingly, humanity is maturing into an objective, informed, humble, curious and open state of mind which acknowledges the incompleteness of human knowledge and the inevitable, unlimited forward march of progress in all aspects of living, insofar as we are willing to be open to new discoveries and revise our imperfect understanding of the universe. Merlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Energy
It's just another way of creating hydrogen from water, while burning some carbon in the process creating CO2 What's the big deal? It's been done. It's not any more efficient than a bubbling electrolysis cell. Where's the controversy? Why aren't they marketing large cells and making millions of dollars? Is it a conspiracy? No. People know it isn't any better than the multitude of pseudo technologies coming out claiming THIS is the answer. It's like the watercar. It can be proven by a Jr High student not to work, yet it just won't go away. People are still talking about it now. http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=watercar -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ merlinsaintgermain wrote: All the above sounds like an investigation worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Prejudice in science and technology seems to work exactly the same way as in religion, health, and all other aspects of life. I'm not saying that aquafuels is not a scam, just that your process of analysis betrays more about your prejudices than it reveals about the alleged technology. Apparently many biodiesel fanatics are just as bigotted as gasoline fanatics. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation. Herbert Spencer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Trans-esterification with enzymatic process.
Hello Biofuel group members, I understand that it is possible to make Biodiesel also by enzymatic conversion of oils. This process is said to avoid hazardous chemicals such as the strong Alkali's and Methanol. Could some body enlighten me on this possibility and whether it is being used in commercial scale any where? Any references or useful web sites -links will be highly appreciated. Kishore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Found it, http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html a great sit and very funny. Hakan At 07:08 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: Keith, Link did not work for me, probably it was obsolete and deleted after Bush published his energy plan. Hakan At 05:51 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: Merlin Dear Keith, Your ridicule of alternative energy technologies, and fuel efficiency improvement technologies, is totally unscientific. No, I'm sceptical of totally unscientific free-energy and fuel-economy scams. Such as these: Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.htmlhtt p://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmh ttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~ds imanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm It's still alive and well, the free energy scam industry, as Mr Scroot has warned. Would you stake your life that there are no existing technologies that can improve the efficiency of any internal combustion engines, reduce emissions, and / or reduce wear and tear? Of course not. Are you omniscient? Do you know everything that can be known about magnets and their potential applications in the energy field? Once yet again, go and check out the archives, and you'll find that the list ban on magnets was indeed imposed by popular demand, and you'll see why. You are being insulting, and rather foolish, your barbs are ill-aimed and fail to strike home, and they might turn out to be boomerangs. You were not insulted, you were asked direct and valid questions about the information you posted and the claims you made, and you've responded with insults, sneers, labellings and disparagement - but no real answers to the questions. You're protesting much too loudly. Now, attend to business please: stop trying to distract and obfuscate, provide verifiable substantiation for the claims you've made about the fuelsaver and your relationship with the company, about platinum injection and your techniques for cheap extraction of platinum that you say deserve careful scrutiny. In other words, prove you're not a spammer. Best be quick about it. Keith Addison List owner Arrogant contempt for new information is a major bar to human progress. Are you, or anyone else, able to prove a priori that your current knowledge is the sum total of all possible knowledge? Has science and technology reached its apotheosis, with no further progress possible? Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer scientific and technological obstructionists like you whose pronouncements about the law of entropy and invocation of other primitive laws of nature to disprove any assertion outside of your narrow worldviews. Increasingly, humanity is maturing into an objective, informed, humble, curious and open state of mind which acknowledges the incompleteness of human knowledge and the inevitable, unlimited forward march of progress in all aspects of living, insofar as we are willing to be open to new discoveries and revise our imperfect understanding of the universe. Merlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor http://rd.yahoo.com/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o885gmo/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556lineid=3614674prop=egroupwebpos=HM [] [] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Democracy is the worst possible system, except for all the others. - Churchill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP,
[biofuel] Mark Schofield's BD plant was Re: USING SEPAR
and? which acidbase process, for which feedstock, what variations, are yu using, where you found it (and where we can that is) and what have you found in the process that you vary depending on the feedstock? mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Depends on the feed stock. Mark --- skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which acid-base method are you using? mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Yes, the samples are being sent to a GC lab on Monday. The most basic test is to boil to 60'C cool and then freeze thaw. If the product does not cloud and is pH neutral, its good enought for GC testing. I certainly haven't seen any problems to date. I have bought a 205 1.8 Diesel to be fitted with a re-furb engine for long term emission tests. I have bought a vacuum recovery unit capable of removing 125 moles of Methanol a second, which is of order 6300 CFM at 50mtorr. It is a beast of a plant, I am very happy with it. I had a site visit yesterday (Thursday 2 Oct) and everything looks to be getting there in part. I can operate at single base, double base or acid-base depending upon the feed stock. The plant will be on-line in 3 months. I may open a web site detailing our progress. Regards Mark = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps __ __ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.c __ __ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yaho Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] under the give me a break heading.
On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 08:47 AM, Bob Allen wrote: I had no idea that silica was important in human physiology. and neither apparently do the authors of major biochemistry or physiology text books- those which are used to train physicians and medical researchers. Actually, I see silicon was recently added to the list of essential trace elements, along with boron, chromium, manganese, nickel, tin, vanadium, molybdenum, arsenic, lithium, aluminium, strontium, and cesium. See http://www.fao.org/docrep/U5900t/u5900t05.htm I assume the silicon would typically be ingested as silicates rather than silica, but the similarities are enough (crystal structure etc) that I think we can forgive the layman confusing the two. BTW, I was also surprised! :-) -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Keith, Link did not work for me, probably it was obsolete and deleted after Bush published his energy plan. Hakan :-) Perhaps. But then why isn't the second one dead? - How to become a Free Energy con man. Or am I missing something? LOL! Sorry Hakan, I usually check links first, but these worked not long ago, IIRC. This one does work: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines The other two are okay. Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Handy alternative
At 01:10 PM 10/7/03 -0400, Martin wrote: It's just another way of creating hydrogen from water, while burning some carbon in the process creating CO2 What's the big deal? Doesn't have to be a big deal in order to serve as a handy alternative in some cases. Our focus here is on converting biomass to methanol, and one of the things that's hard to use up is sawdust. It appears from the patents that it would be possible to operate that system using a fluidized bed of sawdust and generate CO and H2 which would be both storable and compressible, something which a mix of O2 and H2 ain't. Given the new room temp co-catalyst methanol technology, having such a handy source for syngas adds a nice degree of flexibility. Especially in the set-up / break down/ try it again stage. I'm further intrigued with this because: 1) The process is not pressure dependent. It's easy enough to compress a liquid to 3,000 psi; it's a whole lot more difficult to compress a gas to that degree. By being able to build to the desired pressure within the reactor unit itself, you can get the compression needed to fill aluminum scuba tanks. I've got enough room under the bed of my pickup to easily mount eight 80 CF tanks, and that's a respectable amount of fuel which will get me down the road quite a ways before I run out and have to switch back to purchased fuel. The key there is that by getting the first 50 miles for free, and being able to switch back to propane when that runs out, I can cut down considerably on the total amount of fuel which needs to be purchased. 2) The patent indicates that the process uses 35 VDC and is interruptible, which makes it a good match for intermittent wind power sites. It's also a lot simpler design than what's needed for standard electrolysis, something which helps the small user considerably. While I appreciate the skepticism, and agree that there's a lot of snake oil out there, I'm more than ready to give the benefit of the doubt to articles that list actual patent numbers. with best wishes, Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trans-esterification with enzymatic process.
Hello Biofuel group members, I understand that it is possible to make Biodiesel also by enzymatic conversion of oils. This process is said to avoid hazardous chemicals such as the strong Alkali's and Methanol. Could some body enlighten me on this possibility Do an archive search for enzyme (which will also find you some ethanol refs), lipase, solid catalyst: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Check the More on this subject links. and whether it is being used in commercial scale any where? I don't think so, nor by homebrewers, it's lab stuff. Any references or useful web sites -links will be highly appreciated. More then you ever wanted to know at the archive, I expect. Best Keith Kishore Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Handy alternative
Hello Walt All fair enough, just want to comment on this bit: snip While I appreciate the skepticism, and agree that there's a lot of snake oil out there, For my part, I'm sceptical about these claims, but I'm not really negative about it, though many are, free energy is almost a blasphemy to some. I do believe there's an answer to the energy problem, a REAL answer, that remains to be found, but all the snake oil doesn't help at all, it discourages and hampers any real research. It's the scammers I'm against, not free energy per se. So far the scepticism's been well-founded. Look at this one, for instance, from about 18 months ago - I haven't checked the links, no need, sadly: Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energy needs Wednesday, January 23, 2002 By Kevin Smith, Reuters http://www.remnantsaints.com/AlternativeUtilities/free_energy_Ireland.htm http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01230206.html Science News Irish Inventor Constructs Free Energy Device this device is so phenomenal that it shatters the laws of science. http://www.chennaionline.com/science/invent.asp The power of invention A multi-meter reading of the batteries' voltage before the device started up showed a total of 48.9 volts. When it was switched off, a second reading showed 51.2 volts... And a website! - and a promise: http://www.jasker.com/ Jasker Power Systems International It is our objective to launch the Jasker Power Systems technology on a global basis. Details will be posted on our web-site as they are released. And now: http://www.jasker.com/ jasker.com :: this domain is for sale www.jasker.com $600 The owners of the domain name jasker.com are accepting offers from interested parties willing to obtain ownership rights over the domain name. You can place your bid by filling out the form below. :-( You see. We had rather an interesting discussion here awhile back on what to do if you'd discovered a viable, cheap, energy source anyone could use anywhere, true energy independence - how would you handle it? How would you stop it getting bought out and locked up in a little box in back room somewhere, for instance? I'm more than ready to give the benefit of the doubt to articles that list actual patent numbers. 1635 - first of many English perpetual motion machine patents granted. - by 1903, 600 such patents had been granted. Free energy claimants love impressing people with patents (most people don't understand that a patent can't promise feasibility). http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Best Keith with best wishes, Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Handy alternative
Hi Walt I appreciate your friendly response :) I've added comments in the message below. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Walt Patrick wrote: At 01:10 PM 10/7/03 -0400, Martin wrote: It's just another way of creating hydrogen from water, while burning some carbon in the process creating CO2 What's the big deal? Doesn't have to be a big deal in order to serve as a handy alternative in some cases. That's true, there are many 'alternatives'. Our focus here is on converting biomass to methanol, and one of the things that's hard to use up is sawdust. It appears from the patents that it would be possible to operate that system using a fluidized bed of sawdust and generate CO and H2 which would be both storable and compressible, something which a mix of O2 and H2 ain't. That's interesting, maybe I will try that. Given the new room temp co-catalyst methanol technology, having such a handy source for syngas adds a nice degree of flexibility. Especially in the set-up / break down/ try it again stage. I'm further intrigued with this because: 1) The process is not pressure dependent. It's easy enough to compress a liquid to 3,000 psi; it's a whole lot more difficult to compress a gas to that degree. By being able to build to the desired pressure within the reactor unit itself, you can get the compression needed to fill aluminum scuba tanks. I've got enough room under the bed of my pickup to easily mount eight 80 CF tanks, and that's a respectable amount of fuel which will get me down the road quite a ways before I run out and have to switch back to purchased fuel. The key there is that by getting the first 50 miles for free, and being able to switch back to propane when that runs out, I can cut down considerably on the total amount of fuel which needs to be purchased. An electrolysis cell can compress the effluent as well, but it requires more energy. I think you'll find that this cell requires more energy if you're compressing the output to 3,000 PSI. Any chemical reaction has factors that cause it to occur or slow down. The ability for the gas to get away (the pressure) is a driving force for the reaction. 2) The patent indicates that the process uses 35 VDC and is interruptible, which makes it a good match for intermittent wind power sites. It's also a lot simpler design than what's needed for standard electrolysis, something which helps the small user considerably. An electrolysis cell is interruptable as well. I don't see how it is a lot simpler. Do you? electrolysis cell: two plates aquagas (?) cell: two carbon rods + something to strike the arc and regulate the voltage While I appreciate the skepticism, and agree that there's a lot of snake oil out there, I'm more than ready to give the benefit of the doubt to articles that list actual patent numbers. with best wishes, Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution with platinuminjection?
Alex wrote: I think that this concept is not a hoax. quoting from an epa website note thge last sentence http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The overall conclusion from these tests is that the Platinum Gasaver did not significantly change vehicle emissions or fuel economy for either the FTP or HFET. device clearly did not produce the large -- greater than 2.0 mrcent -- fuel economy benefits claimed by the manufacturer. Therefore, users of the device would not be expected to realize either an emission or fuel economy benefit. Vehicle operation and performance were unchanged by the device. -- -- Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistryhttp://ozarker.org/bob --- Some scientists claim that Hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than Hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. - Frank Zappa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution withplatinuminjection?
Bob, thank you for pointing towards that very interesting web site - I'm not going to buy this device, since it doesn't look like I'll be able to recoup the cost with fuel savings. Alex - Original Message - From: Bob Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Dramatically reduce diesel engine pollution withplatinuminjection? Alex wrote: I think that this concept is not a hoax. quoting from an epa website note thge last sentence http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The overall conclusion from these tests is that the Platinum Gasaver did not significantly change vehicle emissions or fuel economy for either the FTP or HFET. device clearly did not produce the large -- greater than 2.0 mrcent -- fuel economy benefits claimed by the manufacturer. Therefore, users of the device would not be expected to realize either an emission or fuel economy benefit. Vehicle operation and performance were unchanged by the device. -- -- Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistryhttp://ozarker.org/bob --- Some scientists claim that Hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than Hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. - Frank Zappa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Keith, At 07:49 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote: Keith, Link did not work for me, probably it was obsolete and deleted after Bush published his energy plan. Hakan :-) Perhaps. But then why isn't the second one dead? - How to become a Free Energy con man. Or am I missing something? LOL! Could Bush maybe use the second one as source reference? -:)) Hakan Sorry Hakan, I usually check links first, but these worked not long ago, IIRC. This one does work: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines The other two are okay. Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~dsi manek/museum/unwork.htm Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1595053/R=0/SIG=124gf29oe/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitakenattogyo?YH=3707890yhad=1595053 Click Here! [] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Democracy is the worst possible system, except for all the others. - Churchill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc
Knew a gal once who used to sleep with magnets insider her pillow. Don't know if it was the magnets or the genetics, but there wasn't a doubt in my mind that something had sucked out every lick of sense and half her brains ta' boot. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Free energy and magic dust, etc Merlin Dear Keith, Your ridicule of alternative energy technologies, and fuel efficiency improvement technologies, is totally unscientific. No, I'm sceptical of totally unscientific free-energy and fuel-economy scams. Such as these: Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.syc.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm It's still alive and well, the free energy scam industry, as Mr Scroot has warned. Would you stake your life that there are no existing technologies that can improve the efficiency of any internal combustion engines, reduce emissions, and / or reduce wear and tear? Of course not. Are you omniscient? Do you know everything that can be known about magnets and their potential applications in the energy field? Once yet again, go and check out the archives, and you'll find that the list ban on magnets was indeed imposed by popular demand, and you'll see why. You are being insulting, and rather foolish, your barbs are ill-aimed and fail to strike home, and they might turn out to be boomerangs. You were not insulted, you were asked direct and valid questions about the information you posted and the claims you made, and you've responded with insults, sneers, labellings and disparagement - but no real answers to the questions. You're protesting much too loudly. Now, attend to business please: stop trying to distract and obfuscate, provide verifiable substantiation for the claims you've made about the fuelsaver and your relationship with the company, about platinum injection and your techniques for cheap extraction of platinum that you say deserve careful scrutiny. In other words, prove you're not a spammer. Best be quick about it. Keith Addison List owner Arrogant contempt for new information is a major bar to human progress. Are you, or anyone else, able to prove a priori that your current knowledge is the sum total of all possible knowledge? Has science and technology reached its apotheosis, with no further progress possible? Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer scientific and technological obstructionists like you whose pronouncements about the law of entropy and invocation of other primitive laws of nature to disprove any assertion outside of your narrow worldviews. Increasingly, humanity is maturing into an objective, informed, humble, curious and open state of mind which acknowledges the incompleteness of human knowledge and the inevitable, unlimited forward march of progress in all aspects of living, insofar as we are willing to be open to new discoveries and revise our imperfect understanding of the universe. Merlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Handy alternative
At 05:01 AM 10/8/03 +0900, Keith wrote: Hello Walt All fair enough, just want to comment on this bit: Please do :-) For my part, I'm sceptical about these claims, but I'm not really negative about it, though many are, free energy is almost a blasphemy to some. With just cause. It's a bit like Heinlein's comment that When a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash. I do believe there's an answer to the energy problem, a REAL answer, that remains to be found, but all the snake oil doesn't help at all, it discourages and hampers any real research. It's the scammers I'm against, not free energy per se. I'm with you, although I'm personally more concerned with folks using alternative energy technology in an attempt to with a Darwin Award. I don't mind it so much when fools loose their money; I'd just rather they didn't lose body parts since it gives people grounds to talk. So far the scepticism's been well-founded. Look at this one, for instance, from about 18 months ago - I haven't checked the links, no need, sadly: snip Again, we're on the same page, probably the one that bears Jefferson's comment that, those who wish to be ignorant and free, want what never was and never soon shall be. We had rather an interesting discussion here awhile back on what to do if you'd discovered a viable, cheap, energy source anyone could use anywhere, true energy independence - how would you handle it? How would you stop it getting bought out and locked up in a little box in back room somewhere, for instance? There's nothing more radical than a working model of a better way, so I would (we are) just get on with it, build a working model of the concept, and see that the information was as widely dispersed as possible. Here's an example from the current edition of our newsletter - http://www.windward.org/notes/notes63/wal63_b.htm 1635 - first of many English perpetual motion machine patents granted. - by 1903, 600 such patents had been granted. Free energy claimants love impressing people with patents (most people don't understand that a patent can't promise feasibility). http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Well, a fool and his money are soon parted. [I do seem full of cliches these days, so I hope you'll bear with me :-) Still, I'm more respectful of someone's assertions when they've gone through the exercise of filing a patent application, and been successful, than I am for those who have secret methods that they don't dare off up for public scrutiny because you know who will scarf up their work and cheat them out of their just rewards. Pah! My perspective is that it's a grand, never-ending relay race in which we each get the privilege of running a lap or two. We stand on the shoulders of giants, and if we can advance the cause even a little bit, then that's great. Well, back to work. Thanks for the kind words and the frank thoughts. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] oil BTUs?
Does anyone have the numbers on BTUs available in 1 litre of propaine, diesel and bio diesel? Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Golden Brown Biodiesel
Hi to all Any body from the group can give me an insight why my biosiesel from WVO (corn oil-from steak restaurant) turn golden brown (like tea) instead of golden yellow. I filtered the WVO with double layer cheese cloth and remove water by heating my WVO. I follow Mike Pellyâs recipe to the letter. By the way Iâm getting good result with my biodiesel from SVO. Thanks Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Building a Balancing Scooter
Do it yourself Segway :) Kirk http://www.tlb.org/scooter.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Handy alternative
At 04:28 PM 10/7/03 -0400, you wrote: Hi Walt I appreciate your friendly response :) My pleasure. I'm enjoying following along. An electrolysis cell can compress the effluent as well, but it requires more energy. Agreed. I think you'll find that this cell requires more energy if you're compressing the output to 3,000 PSI. Agreed, but the use would be to consume excess wind energy and store it, so that's okay. Any chemical reaction has factors that cause it to occur or slow down. The ability for the gas to get away (the pressure) is a driving force for the reaction. Not sure I follow you there. As I recollect, in traditional electrolysis systems, an increase in either temperature pressure results in an increase in efficiency. Within limits, of course. 2) The patent indicates that the process uses 35 VDC and is interruptible, which makes it a good match for intermittent wind power sites. It's also a lot simpler design than what's needed for standard electrolysis, something which helps the small user considerably. An electrolysis cell is interruptable as well. I don't see how it is a lot simpler. Do you? I believe I do. Part of it has to do with the need to separate the H2 from the O2 in a traditional electrolysis cell, and this patent's alleged ability to generate a non-explosive fuel gas that does not require separation. Note: the technology described in the patent is significantly different from what's shown on the website. The second big advantage is that you could drink the solution used in the patented system (a sugar/water solution is described in the patent) whereas the electrolyte used in traditional electrolysis cells is 30% KOH, a solution which requires skilled operators, special equipment and a high degree of caution and training in order to build and/or maintain the cell in working order. A third advantage is that traditional cells require that you manage two gas output flows, one of which is coming off at twice the volume of the other, and that involves two storage tanks. It's tricky to maintain and equal pressure within the cells when one element is off-gassing at twice the flow rate of the other. A forth advantage, at least for us, is that we already have a good power supply to use to test out the process in the form of our hi-freq heli-arc welder. Although they don't mention using a hi-freq pulse to initiate the arc, that's how it's done in air. FWIW, I'm part of an intentional community located on 111 acres in the woods (south central Washington state), and I have enough of a problem getting people here to comprehend the details of our gravity feed water system. Not that my fellows here are idiots, in fact they're quite bright, but anything I can do to make potentially hazardous systems idiot proof is generally worth doing. Thanks for the interesting questions, Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
