[biofuel] Re: Jet Fuel
Jet fuel will work fine in a normal diesel. Jet A has a lower energy content than D2 so you mileage will go down some but if it is free what is the big deal. It also has a lower lubrication quality (not sure what the right term for this is) so mixing with BD would be good. The military currently runs Jet fuel in most of there diesel trucks and ships. It is easier logistically to just have one fuel that takes care of everything instead of having to supply many different fuels for the fleet. Gary --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, nick_75au [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a thought, make sure it is aviation turbine fuel (avtur) not avgas, avgas is aviation 110 octane petrol (dont want to state the obvious but :-)) turbine fuel generaly is diesel/kerosine with a very low cloud point, I dont know about the lubricating properties, if it is low then biodiesel woud be good to add those properties I guess. P.S i didnt know jet fuel was plant based biofuel LOL :-) regards Nick --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you find out about this? Greg H. - Original Message - From: towcloud9 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 09:21 Subject: [biofuel] Jet Fuel Hi all, A local airport often has wast jet fuel. My understanding is that with a lubricity additive, jet fuel can be used as diesel. I can get 30-40 gallons a week. Anyone doing this? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - --- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] generator/refrigerator
Neat device - I want one! * A GENERATOR THAT DOUBLES AS A REFRIGERATOR http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2001news/solar.htm UF professor generates new, cheaper solar energy system http://www.alligator.org/edit/issues/01-spring/010314/b09solar14.htm Optimization of a Novel Combined Power/Refrigeration Thermodynamic Cycle http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet? prog=normalid=JSEEDO0001250200021201idtype=cvipsgifs=yesjs essionid=1058641089018385495 The Solar-AC FAQ http://www.solarmirror.com/cgi-bin/faq.cgi?_recurse=1 http://www.solarmirror.com/cgi-bin/faq.cgi?_recurse=1file=1 file=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor?
Hello, I'm traveling across country this month, 'by accident'- I really didn't intend to take this trip!, and I'll be going from DC to Maine and then back to California, taking Interstate 80 back. My partner and I are driving a couple of vans back here which he and another friend had purchased on eBay (it's a bit difficult to find a cheap diesel van in California these days), and I got drafted to help get one of the vehicles running. ANyway, this July trip is somewhat of an accident, and cuts into my planning for my 'real' biodiesel class tour at the end of the summer/fall (details coming up shortly). In my quest to fund the fall class tour, and since I'll be missing work to do this July thing, I'm once again offering to build biodiesel processors for people along the route of my trip (same offer applies to my travels in the fall): The processors would be the water heater-based Biodiesel Appleseed reactors from www.veggieavenger.com/media , which in general I encourage you all to build yourselves (it's easy). However if you want a processor built for you, and you are 'along the way' of the route of my July trip, I'll build you one for the cost of parts and $200 for labor, which will go into funding my August-November biodiesel class tour (ie taking my own vehicle, a reactor and a bunch of other gear on the road from August through November and teaching classes). The total cost for these units including my labor charge is either $380 or $580 depending on whether you can find a free used electric water heater or whether you have to buy a brand new one (they're about $200 usually). If you can find a closed-head barrel somewhere, I'll throw in a wash tank for the same cost. I'll be putting together a list of the fall classes tonight and emailing it out. Some of those class dates are also for 'equipment building' classes, which are opportunities for participants to build their own reactor. mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
The Fahrenheit 9/11 - THE HOT MOVIE - Michael Moore thread will now end. Enforcement is likely to be ruthless. Keith Addison List owner Sorry, I should have listened to Gustl and apologize for carrying on. Respectfully, Hoagy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Getiing rid of the water in oil and alcohol (just a thought)
Its just a silly thought but, would it be possible to use electrolyse to get rid of the water in the oil? And more unlikely, could I use electrolyse to get rid of the water in my methanol?? Or would i be electrolysing the oil and alcohol? If so what comes out of the electrolyse? Electrolyse could be a cheaper form of dehydrating oil and water if u get the power from solar or wind energy. + About the icy ball, can one be asily constructed? At home i have a 1m parabolic mirror that i use to heat tea. Coule i build such a system for solar airconditionning? THat would be just great! Thanks for your time everybody And sorry if none of my ideas make any sense. But hey you never know, maby it might inspire somebody else. Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] vortex tube
cool tech THE HILSCH VORTEX TUBE http://www.visi.com/~darus/hilsch/ regards Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-sources http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] earth tube
Earthtubes http://www.thenaturalhome.com/earthtube.htm comments? regards Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-sources http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
hehe... It's been Godwined... finally. At 05:34 PM 7/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: Thank you Keith, for the first time on this list, I have been using the delete button constantly. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:40 PM 7/5/2004, you wrote: - was Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Long, but please read it anyway. I very much hope this generates some discussion at least here. I can tell you that the future of the list is not 100% assured. Some of us are working damned hard to try to make sure that it does have a secure future. I think we should know it if all we're trying so hard to defend turns out to be just a rabble after all. Your choice. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
My faith in mankind has been restored. For one, I have received communication from some brewers who are is fairly close proximity that I can look over their shoulders in my learning stage. Girl- Mark is having the DC seminar unfortunately when I am on the Atlantic shore doing my best imitation of a beached whale, but she is coming back in September and I will be attending that seminar come hell or high water. So my spirits have been bolsterd. Replying back to bioveg...I have an in with the wvo as I work for a grocery chain who fries their own chicken. I have access in my store alone to 25 gallons a week of fryer grease. I also pass 6 stores daily going to and from work where I could conceivable pick up another 25 gals in each store. I don't have to go ask just yet and be looking over my shoulder for the grease cops.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
Hoagy, The only thing I will miss in this thread are your updates on how F 911 was doing with the critics etc. It is going to take some time before I can see it and it will be a historical piece. Anyway, it was right to stop the thread. Hakan At 01:12 06/07/2004, you wrote: The Fahrenheit 9/11 - THE HOT MOVIE - Michael Moore thread will now end. Enforcement is likely to be ruthless. Keith Addison List owner Sorry, I should have listened to Gustl and apologize for carrying on. Respectfully, Hoagy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My Methanol
I just received the methanol that i had ordered. the ayre in 10 liter containers and the label says Metanol CH3OH 1l = 0,80kg MW = 32,04 what does the las thing indicate? And do I have any way of figuring out if this stuff is good. Of course i will do a test batch in a couple of hours. Some time back i remember vaguely reading somewhere that acetone was added to the gas tank to get rid of water in the gas tank. Would that be any use to us? Teoman __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My Methanol
chemical properties of Methanol mw is Molecular weight: 32.042 kg/kmol PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF METHANOL: CH3OH ÊAlso called METHYL ALCOHOL, it is the simplest of a long series of organic compounds called alcohols; its molecular formula is CH3OH. Methanol was formerly produced by the destructive distillation of wood. The modern method of preparing methanol is based on the direct combination of carbon monoxide gas and hydrogen in the presence of a catalyst. Most methanol is produced from the methane which is found in natural gas. Pure methanol is an important material in chemical synthesis. Its derivatives are used in great quantities for building up a vast number of compounds, among them many important synthetic dyestuffs, resins, drugs, and perfumes. Large quantities are converted to dimethylaniline for dyestuffs and to formaldehyde for synthetic resins. It is also used in automotive antifreezes, in rocket fuels, and as a general solvent. Methanol is also a high-octane, clean-burning fuel that is a potentially important substitute for gasoline in automotive vehicles. Methanol is a colorless liquid, completely miscible with water and organic solvents and is very hydroscopic. It boils at 64.96¡ C (148.93¡ F) and solidifies at -93.9¡ C (-137¡ F). It forms explosive mixtures with air and burns with a nonluminous flame. It is a violent poison; drinking mixtures containing methanol has caused many cases of blindness or death. Methanol has a settled odor. Methanol is a potent nerve poison. Key physical properties are: Melting Point : -97.7 0C Boiling Point : 65 0C Relative Density : 0.79 Formula: CH3OH Molecular weight: 32.042 kg/kmol Heat of Formation -201.3 MJ/kmol Gibbs Free Energy -162.62 MJ/kmol Freezing point: -97.7 ¡C Boiling point: 64.6 ¡C (at atmospheric pressure) Critical properties: Critical temperature 512.6 K Critical pressure 81 bar abs Critical volume 0.118 mÒ/kmol Liquid Properties: Density 791 kg/mÒ at 20 ¡C Heat of Vaporization 35278 kJ/kmol Viscosity: a = 555.3 b = 260.6 where log(viscosity) = a * ( 1/T - 1/b ) viscosity: mNs/mÓ T: ¡K Vapor Properties: Heat capacity: a = 21.152 b = 0.07092 c = 2.59E-05 d = -2.85E-08 where Cp = a + b*T + c*TÓ + d*TÒ Cp: kJ/kmol.K T: ¡K Vapour pressure: a = 18.5875 b = 3626.55 c = -34.29 where ln(P) = a - b/(T+c) P: mmHg; T: ¡K within range -16 to 91¡C MANUFACTURE OF METHANOL: CH3OH Most of world methanol is manufactured from natural gas by a steam reforming process. Methane of natural gas is first mixed with steam at 3/1 ratio. It is then reformed to carbon oxides and hydrogen under nickel catalyst at 1000¡C and 20 Atm. Carbon oxides and hydrogen reacts exothermically at about 70 Atm pressure in the gas phase to form mainly methanol and water mixture. These reactions take place in the presence of Cu, Al and Zn based catalyst. Crude methanol is cooled and condensed and fed through a distillation process to achieve 99.9 Mole% product purity. The process is highly integrated. It uses the state-of-the art technologies to achieve low capital cost and higher conversion efficiency. As an alternative, partial oxidation or oxygen aided processes are also used. Methanol production economics are highly depended on the feedstock selection and feedstock prices. Methanol can be manufactured from any hydrocarbon source; naphtha, oil, coal, wood, bio-mass, LPG, etc. The naphtha, fraction of crude oil distillation, is used as a raw material in many older facilities for the manufacture of methanol. When naphtha is reacted with a high steam ratio, under pressure and at high temperature, synthesis gas of low methane content is obtained. Most of the carbon from the naphtha is converted to carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide: 1000 ¡ C CH4+H2O === CO + 3H2 Carbon Hydrogen Monoxide CO+ H2O === CO2 + H2 Carbon Hydrogen Dioxide The mixture of hydrogen and carbon oxides is compressed and is passed over a catalyst under high pressure and at high temperature, methanol is formed. 400 ¡ C CO + 2H2 === CH3OH Methanol CO2 + 3H2 === CH3OH + H2O Methanol The mixture of methanol, water, other impurities is distilled to produce 99.95 Mole% methanol product purity. Back to CEC Overview Page | Top of this Page -- CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF METHANOL: CH3OH Combustion of Methanol: Methanol burns with a pale-blue, non-luminous flame to form carbon dioxide and steam.
Re: [biofuel] earth tube
This topic was discussed at length on the organic building list a few years ago. The people who had installed the systems found they had problems with mold and mildew entering the home from the pipes. Using the same principles, but using hydronics to heat and cool rather than an air system seems to avoid the problems. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:10 PM 7/5/2004, you wrote: Earthtubes http://www.thenaturalhome.com/earthtube.htm comments? regards Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-sources http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My FIrst Batch
My first batch looks like it is fairly successfull, I found an old scale purely mechanical. With which i managed to measure the NaOH. I mixed it with the methanol in a jar, it took about 25 mins to mix, and in the end result one could almost see very very tiny particles floating. I heated the oil (corn oil) in a jar which i placed in a pan filled with water. I kept the heat constant between 55 and 60 degrees. Then i slowly added the methanol with lye. I kept it at constant temperature for about three hours and i gave it a good shake every half an hour. Can you ruin it by overstirring? Or can i recover it if the reaction has not compleeted because of insufficient stirring? It has been settling for about two hours now. There is some brownish reddis stuff at the bottom, some yellow liquid which i hope is biodiesel and a very thin again reddish brownish layer on top. Tthe biodiesel is not too clear. Does this sound ok? Or have i goofed? HOw can i check if my methanol is good? And if i wash it is this stuff good enough to pour in to my car? I must say i am excited, what is the next step? thanks, Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My Methanol
biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: what does the las thing indicate? And do I have any way of figuring out if this stuff is good. Of course i will do a test batch in a couple of hours. Looks like Metric Weight. People are like rugs: Hang them out a window and shake them a couple of times, and you'll be surprised how much dirt comes out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PURITY OF SODIUM HYDROXIDE
Hi all Please can you advise if caustic soda pearls (sold as drain cleaner) at 98% are sufficient or if i must order 99%+ which is a lot more expensive. thanks Ben . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol
Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from the methanol plant. I worked at the plant in Medicine Hat, Alberta, and then I got transferred to Kitimat when the other plant shut down. So, needless to say I won't have any problem finding a bit of methanol (for well under $2 a litre!!). If anyone has any questions about how it's made (I saw the post about it just now from Rob and Teoman), just drop me a line. Also, since I have an ingrained safety ethic from where I work, if anyone needs any MSDS's (material safety data sheets) for methanol, or ANY chemical for that matter, just let me know. Part of having these chemicals, especially around the house, is that you (and everyone using them) know everything you can about them, and have the information available. Label all of your chemicals (not just with the name...also include the hazard symbols or words) and have the sheets in a binder (labelled) nearby!! You are liable if someone stops in and decides to have a drink of your unlabelled methanol! On that thought, I must just go ahead and post them anyways in a couple of days. So, hello again and talk to you soon! Chris 'biofuel newbie' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India
The professor incharge of the bio diesel project at the Delhi College of Engneering is Dr. Sagar Maji and he can be reached at 9818434090 or +911129219186 Hope this helps Akshay Kakar --- ram c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akshay Kakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sam, I dont know if this is of much help but my college (Delhi College of Engineering) had been running a very successful bio desiel project for about 2 years. I have since then graduated but i do believe that the college has pursued the concept very vigrously. If you want I could ask my professor to get in touch with you. Akshay Kakar dear mr.kakar please ask your professor to contact me or give me his contact tel.nos or e.maii id to discuss foe the manufacturing of bio diesel. thanks ramdas. email;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Oil faces new threats
Published on Monday, July 5, 2004 by The Daily Star Don't blame the Arabs: Oil faces new threats beyond the Gulf by Ed Blanche http://www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=906 Ed Blanche, a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, is a Beirut-based journalist who has covered Middle Eastern affairs for three decades. He is a regular contributor to THE DAILY STAR. BEIRUT: The United States' drive for energy security, one of the dominant elements in its tough-guy foreign policy, is running into trouble around the globe, making US control of Iraq's oil wealth ever more necessary. And that is sure to stir up more trouble, unsettling a market that has become volatile and unpredictable. In an effort to reduce dependence on Middle Eastern oil, the Americans have been encouraging the quest for new sources of oil and gas for some time, but this has often led oilmen into regions that were unstable, or are made so by their presence and the greed their product instills among the political elites. These days, the New York Times commented recently, the discovery of oil is itself almost a guarantee of conflict. In short, the world's main oil-producing regions are becoming political quagmires that threaten global supply, and this is likely to keep oil prices high for some considerable time no matter what happens in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Major convulsions in those countries, which seem unavoidable, will only worsen an already bad situation. The violence in Iraq and Saudi Arabia has kept the concerns of oil-importing countries like the US focused on the Middle East. But in recent months there have been internal problems in key oil producers like Venezuela, Nigeria and Norway that have either reduced oil production or threaten to do so. None of this will bring any comfort to the Middle East. With production by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries stretched and global oil demand expected to keep rising due to strong economic growth in industrialized countries and population giants China and India, a major disruption by a top producer such as Venezuela, the world's fifth largest exporter with the western hemisphere's largest reserves, could trigger a global crisis. (SNIP) The ruling elites in several of the Central Asian states sitting on these vast deposits of oil and gas are as totalitarian as the Soviets who were their masters until the collapse of communism nearly 15 years ago. Political upheaval could erupt in the not-too-distant future as these elites, enriched by the oil profits and courted by the US for their energy resources and their strategic military value, establish dynasties through which they will maintain their grip on power. Islamic extremists fighting the Russians in nearby Chechnya could find the pipeline a tempting target. As it is, the Caspian region lacks investment and suffers serious export bottlenecks, so it cannot be counted on to compensate for any loss in production in Iraq, Saudi Arabia or anywhere else. Georgia could also be a collision point between Russia and the US, which backed the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline as a way to cut into Moscow's traditional monopoly of Caspian energy resources. The Russians, alarmed at US encroachment into Central Asia, especially since Sept. 11, 2001, are now making determined efforts to recover their influence - along with access to Caspian oil and to military bases - in the former Soviet republics of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan. The Americans cannot afford to have Georgia plunged into turmoil again. In recent weeks there have been coup attempts in Sao Tome, Equatorial Guinea, Chad and Mauritania in West Africa, a region which is expected within five years to be producing 15 percent of the United States' oil imports. The oilfields, mainly offshore in the Atlantic Ocean, can supply oil to the US East Coast far faster than the Gulf - 10 days against up to two months - which gives them added strategic value. But the oil wealth that US and European oil companies are racing to develop in the region seems to be the cause of a chain reaction of unrest as political rivals squabble over the riches that are suddenly descending on these countries, some of the poorest in the world, and in several cases ruled by dictators just as brutal in their way as Saddam Hussein. These, too, are now supported by the US. (SNIP) The union problems remain unresolved and more trouble probably lies ahead for Norway, the world's third biggest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia and Russia. It pumps 200 million cubic meters of gas per day to continental Europe and Britain. Russia, which now rivals Saudi Arabia as the world's top producer, can no longer pick up any slack in global output. Its crude oil exports have hit a ceiling after several years of growth and Moscow cannot raise shipments unless new
Re: [biofuel] Re: Jet Fuel
The Jet A fuel has a very low cloud point so it will not jelly at altitude. So that it will light of incase of a mid air restart a miniscule amount of benzene is added. Frompast use of this waste fuel suggest use of Baldwin or Parker Hanafin water and junk filter than add 1 gallon type F transmission fluid or the BD to get the lubrication back up so the injector pump and injectors will not wear rapidly. The EPA has banned the reuse of this fuel at airports for the ground equipment . Usual non sensical reasons and generate a whole nother hidden tax on already bleeding industry. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Hi Chris, welcome Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from the methanol plant. I worked at the plant in Medicine Hat, Alberta, and then I got transferred to Kitimat when the other plant shut down. So, needless to say I won't have any problem finding a bit of methanol (for well under $2 a litre!!). If anyone has any questions about how it's made (I saw the post about it just now from Rob and Teoman), just drop me a line. Make it onlist rather? Then it'll be in the archives for everyone's use, now and later. Of much interest, for a long time, has been the possibility of feasible small-scale methods (down to backyard-level) of making your own methanol from renewable resources. You can see why that's interesting. I think anything about methanol is of general interest here. Here are some previous messages on this: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29796/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30149/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31310/ There's also this: http://tinyurl.com/3f5v7 United States Patent Application20030158270 Kind Code A1 Mahajan, Devinder August 21, 2003 Lots more in the archives. Also, since I have an ingrained safety ethic from where I work, if anyone needs any MSDS's (material safety data sheets) for methanol, or ANY chemical for that matter, just let me know. Part of having these chemicals, especially around the house, is that you (and everyone using them) know everything you can about them, and have the information available. Indeed yes. Label all of your chemicals (not just with the name...also include the hazard symbols or words) and have the sheets in a binder (labelled) nearby!! Yes! And running water to hand, closed processors, safe electrical connections... and some common sense, respect, no sloppiness. You are liable if someone stops in and decides to have a drink of your unlabelled methanol! On that thought, I must just go ahead and post them anyways in a couple of days. Good! Thankyou, please do. We're aware of how much damage an accident can do to the biofuels movement, though we try to keep it in perspective too - some people overreact and back right off because of an unreasonable fear of all those horrible chemicals. All due care and precaution, good safe practices and equipment, good information on the hazards, but no need for paranoia either. We have made a lot of progress with safety issues over the last few years, it's MUCH safer now, in every way. Best wishes Keith So, hello again and talk to you soon! Chris 'biofuel newbie' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Double Batching
G'day L G'day; Having pretty much completed my processor and also having found a nice home for it, I have a question for those in the know. I am set up for a single batch lot or with a spare drum I can send tghe finished process to a settling tank and straight away fire up another one. The question is, can I pop one batch on top of the first one even though it may be a couple hours (2-3) between processing the first batch and the second and just have them settle together until I am ready to sent them together to the wash tank? My batches can either be 100 liter sigle or 80 liter when doubled. The wash tank determining the size of double batching. (160 liters plus water in the wash tank is going to about top it off I think). Do I still bubble 4-5 hours, change water and then wash twice more 10 hours each, or do I have to make the wash longer due to increased volume? Ok, that's two questions. So you want half-price or what? :-) I'm not sure I grok your numbers aright - hey, that reminds me, you STILL didn't get that other one right! Sheesh! How much lye per litre of methanol, remember? (Or was it hogsheads?) He'd asked the wrong question anyway. Have to go back and dig it up... Anyway, numbers permitting, I see no reason you can't dump one batch on top of another one, then they'll both have settled out together the next day and proceed as if it's a single batch. That said, if one of the batches is good and the other's iffy, different oil or different something or other, you're perhaps going to be a little hard put to find out just what went wrong and where and why once they're all mixed up. With that in mind, it might be an idea to do small-size test-batches in parallel with each batch, at least at first until you get the hang of doing it that way. You're going to wash 160 litres in a 200-litre tank? Needs some headroom too, doesn't leave much space for the water. Try it and see, maybe it'll be worth it even if it takes more washes and more time. Or make somewhat smaller batches. Thanks for any input. HIH. Best Keith L. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
Phil Dodd wrote: Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the land of the closed mind. Phil Hello Phil, I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a couple years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. I've also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is it common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New flexible solar cells
New flexible solar cell - Solar cells for the masses http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Jun/gee20040706025857.htm Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-sources http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
My appologies to everyone. More than likely, I would have ignored the offending message had I not been on a down swing. Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PURITY OF SODIUM HYDROXIDE
Hi all Please can you advise if caustic soda pearls (sold as drain cleaner) at 98% are sufficient or if i must order 99%+ which is a lot more expensive. thanks Ben Hi Ben I think that'll be just fine. Try small test-batches first, as ever. Make sure to keep the stuff dry, close the lid quickly and tight, even transfer and weigh it out it inside plastic bags if the weather's very wet. Make sure too that it's still dry in the first place when you buy it. If all the pearls are stuck together in a lump there's been a moisture leak. It'll still work as drain cleaner but not so well with biodiesel (though you could probably just use more of it, if you adjust the proportions in an organised sort of way). Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
