[biofuel] PSA - Oxygen source
One of the most interesting new developments to come down the pike in the past decade involves the use of ceramic membranes to separate out gases such as hydrogen and oxygen from gas streams. This process, called Pressure Swing Adsorption, allows oxygen to be separated from low pressure air, thereby making autothermal reforming of biowaste much more feasible for small plants. My question is this; is anyone familiar with a source for the ceramic guts for one of the these units? I notice that China is starting to produce PSA-O2 units; is anyone familiar with their products? with appreciation, Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Anyone in NJ, USA??
Dear all: I'm taking Keith's advice and keeping the biodiesel in New Jersey, USA onlist. I've not yet received any replies to my first post. If you're in the NJ area (and Delaware Valley -- eastern PA) please identify yourself! I'd love to get to know the local biodiesel scene! Michael Tayvah __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
I like the idea of inline heating of the SVO, but... The size of the fuse does not regulate the current in a glow plug; it only breaks the circuit once the current exceeds the fuse rating. The simple formula V=I*R is helpful here. Or turn it around to I=V/R. Measure the resistance with a good digital ohmmeter. For example, if you have 1.0 ohm on the glow plug and 13V on a battery, then the glow plug wants 13 amps. In this case, a 10A fuse would simply blow immediately. The power requirement would be 13A * 13V = 169Watts. Another idea to consider is to use two glow plugs wired in series to reduce the power. This doubles the resistance. With P=V*I and I=V/R you get the formula P=V*V/R =13*13/2 = 85Watts. This would require 6.5Amps. Also, it was suggested by someone else that the glow plug fuel heater should be placed upstream of the fuel filter. I believe the Ford Powerstroke diesel has a heater wire in the fuel filter bowl in order to preheat the fuel. Furthermore, this fuel bowl is nestled in the V of the block and so benefits from the engine block heat. You might want to look at this concept, maybe even retro this fuel filter/heater assembly into your setup. Good luck, Rob --- Martin Klingensmith wrote: Joshua wrote: Your typical triac phase-shaping dimmer will not work on DC, this can't be what they're using. If it turns out that they need a control, I could make a simple one. Quite right, we're using an automotive dimmer for a heater... it's great, even says HEAT on it. ;) We haven't actually tested it yet, though, so we're not sure how low it'll get the glow plug. 120 watts on the small surface area of a glow plug is probably too much for oil. I'm guessing about 30 watts would be decent. I'm not exactly sure about watts, but we've got it run through a 20 amp fuse, though we might put a 10 amp on there. Cheers, Joshua A 10 amp fuse means the current would have to stay somewhere below 13v * 10 amps = 130 watts. 20 amps would be less than 260 watts. Let us know how it works our for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anyone in NJ, USA??
Hello Michael, I am in elkton, md just 1 mile south of Delaware line off I 95. I am making test batches and thinking I should have a processor built and in operation by fall. I would love to chat with you. Where are youu located? Jim On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Michael Tayvah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear all: I'm taking Keith's advice and keeping the biodiesel in New Jersey, USA onlist. I've not yet received any replies to my first post. If you're in the NJ area (and Delaware Valley -- eastern PA) please identify yourself! I'd love to get to know the local biodiesel scene! Michael Tayvah __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Jim Prange [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Environment
Bush seems to regularly follow the wishes of his donors on environmental decisions. When will this stop? In 2000, President Bush promised that, if elected, he would work to reduce carbon dioxide emissions that contribute to global warming.[1] Yet, upon taking office, he withdrew American support from the Kyoto Treaty to regulate carbon dioxide,[2] and he dismissed a report from his own Environmental Protection Agency pointing out carbon dioxide's critical role in global warming.[3] Now, with the White House having done nothing to address the growing problem, elected attorneys from New York City and eight states filed a lawsuit this week to force five utilities to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.[4] Why has President Bush reversed his position on carbon dioxide/global warming, and why has he refused to confront these energy companies himself? Because they are among the top donors to Republicans and the Bush-Cheney campaign. Among the defendants in the case are: Southern Company, a company that has given almost a half million dollars to Republicans congressional candidates[5] since 2000; has given more than $1.1 million in soft money to the Republican Party;[6] and whose executives[7] and political action committee[8] have given more than $79,000 directly to the Bush-Cheney campaign. American Electric Power Company, a company that has given more than $550,000 to Republican congressional candidates[9] since 2000 and whose executives[10] and political action committee[11] have given $24,000 to the Bush-Cheney campaign. Cinergy Corporation, a company that has given almost $200,000 to Republican congressional candidates[12] since 2000; has given more than $360,000 in soft money to the Republican Party;[13] and whose executives[14] and political action committee[15] have given more than $27,000 to the Bush-Cheney campaign. Sources: 1. Representative Tom Allen Criticizes Bush Broken Promise on CO2 Emissions from Power Plants, Representative Tom Allen, 03/14/01, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47281. 2. USA withdraws from Kyoto protocol , Directorate of Environmental Affairs, 3/29/01, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47282. 3. Bush Disses Global Warming Report , CBSnews.com, 06/04/02, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47283. 4. Suit targets carbon dioxide emissions by utilities , Indystar.com, 07/22/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47284. 5. Southern Co 2004 PAC Summary Data, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47285. 6. Soft money donors found for Southern Co., Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47286. 7. Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47287. 8. Southern Co 2004 PAC Summary Data, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47285. 9. American Electric Power 2004 PAC Summary Data , Opensecrets.org, www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00096842cycle=2004. 10. Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47288 . 11. American Electric Power 2004 PAC Summary Data, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47289. 12. Cinergy Corp 2004 PAC Summary Data, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47290. 13. Soft money donors found for Cinergy, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47291. 14. Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47292. 15. Cinergy Corp 2004 PAC Summary Data, Opensecrets.org, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2875998l=47290. Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers, but the greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal.Justice Louis Dembritz Brandeis The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
Hi Al, Martin is right.Back at the turn of the last century,rainwater was collected in rainbarrels and cisterns for all manner of household uses including drinking water.Some of your older city houses still have cisterns buried in their backyards,though most have been filled in. A recent This Old House show featured a company that is producing a barrel top for rainbarrels that you would put under your downspout to collect the rain off the roof. I know some women who swear that the best water for washing their hair is rainwater. I think it depends where you live on weather you treat the water as pottable or grey water.If it comes off the roof just let it sit for a day to settle out and don't draw off the bottom.Tip the barrel over every couple of months to clean out the sediments. Hey,we all gotta go some time.I wouldn't worry about a little rain water.Now Twinkies on the other hand.. Rico Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al Hi Al, I think rainwater is fine but in some areas it will be acidic. I'm downwind from Detroit, my rainwater is pretty acidic. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Hi Keith, Related to all this.The water in the dehumidifiers is already semi distilled,having been been evaporated at some point into the atmosphere.It carries nothing with it until it comes in contact with something or some surface.It should be at 7Ph. A dehumidifier is a weak sister to an air conditioner and a distant cousin to a refrigeration unit.All three are absorbing heat and as a byproduct produce condensate.The dehumidifier does this deliberately. When boiling water to create distilled water we create the same process but in a more deliberate,efficient manner. All three of the above will and do create distilled water.It just becomes contaminated by its surroundings. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonathan I have approx. 60 gallons of distilled water in plastic milk containers from my dehumidifier sitting in my basement. I had planned on using it for wash water for biodiesel on a small scale. Can anyone see any potential problems by using this water as wash water? Thanks. Jonathan. If it's acidic your final washwater will also be acidic rather than pH7. Just as long as it's clear. To be safe, you might want to use clean water for the final wash. Remember you can re-use the washwater, except that for the first wash: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_wash.html The Economy of Wash Water Recycling Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon? Yankee Boy Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Texas Hillbilly (redneck) Song (Sing to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies) Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about. But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up. Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke. Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy. The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kin folks say, George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard. Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy. Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He said, Now the White House is the place I wanna be. So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP. Moral Majority, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms. Come November 7, the election ran late. Kin folks said Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls. So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes. Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade. Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters Hey, we want George to win. Stop counting votes! was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation. Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] please help...
Hi,as of this morning in NW Indiana Diesel is going for 1.63 per us gal.Across the state line it varies but is generally .20 per us gal higher due to state and county taxes. Rico baketampangetko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone knows literature/published articles about comparative prices of biodiesel and petroleum diesel? need it for my school research.. thank you very much beng p.s. the more recent/latest prices the better.. :) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
rob crowley wrote: I like the idea of inline heating of the SVO, but... The size of the fuse does not regulate the current in a glow plug; it only breaks the circuit once the current exceeds the fuse rating. Hi Rob, I said the current would be somewhat less than whatever fuse he used [and if the fuse blew then the current was higher]. Without knowing the resistance of the heater I wasn't going to speculate. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: please help...
Actually, in the US, Flying J truck stops HQ'd in Ogden Utah makes it a pleasure to make available their pricing as compared to all other competitors and if you send them an email they would most welcome it, I am sure. They are known to make this data available through their monthly send out newsletter, I can't remember the name but they know it :) That should give you a fairly decent cross section of diesel prices cross-US, although I am not certain if it reflective of consumer pricing or truck fleet pricing, you'd have to ask as their stations offer pumps for both the big rigs as well as cars using diesel fuel. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,as of this morning in NW Indiana Diesel is going for 1.63 per us gal.Across the state line it varies but is generally .20 per us gal higher due to state and county taxes. Rico baketampangetko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone knows literature/published articles about comparative prices of biodiesel and petroleum diesel? need it for my school research.. thank you very much beng p.s. the more recent/latest prices the better.. :) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad
Papa george and his eastern friends wrecked the independant oil men so only ivy league types could continue their control.They are not good ole' boy red necks or texans,but true counterfiets in every way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Dutch biodiesel brewers
Hi Frag, The company who delivers to BB is Breustedt, if I remember correctly they are based in Apeldoorn. Found them via another Dutchie on the forum. Their number is listed they were very helpfull in finding a BB near my house that sells lye! Found mine in one of the smallest BB's in the neighborhood. But one surrounded by farms;) Grtz, From: frag_lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Dutch biodiesel brewers Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:29:13 - --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frag, Got my Lye at Boerenbond/Welkoop and my methanol at a farmacist the methanol I'm not sure about the purity it says nothing on the bottle. The lye is 99%. Good luck What does it say on it? i could only find pool stuff (small boerenbond department here) only have calsium there.. _ Ontvang Hotmail Messenger op je mobiele telefoon http://mobile.msn.com/?lc=nl-nl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
For example, if you have 1.0 ohm on the glow plug and 13V on a battery, then the glow plug wants 13 amps. In this case, a 10A fuse would simply blow immediately. The power requirement would be 13A * 13V = 169Watts. but be careful - i don't think it's quite that simple. as the glow plugs heat up the resistance changes. i don't know what the graph would look like, but it's not a constant. Another idea to consider is to use two glow plugs wired in series to reduce the power. This doubles the resistance. With P=V*I and I=V/R you get the formula P=V*V/R =13*13/2 = 85Watts. This would require 6.5Amps. another benefit of using multiple plugs in series is having more surface area for heating of the oil. i like that idea. Also, it was suggested by someone else that the glow plug fuel heater should be placed upstream of the fuel filter. I believe the Ford Powerstroke diesel has a heater wire in the fuel filter bowl in order to preheat the fuel. Furthermore, this fuel bowl is nestled in the V of the block and so benefits from the engine block heat. You might want to look at this concept, maybe even retro this fuel filter/heater assembly into your setup. Good luck, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad
Who cares, where is Texas? When his brother came to Spain, he talked about the Republic of Spain, which then amused the Royals and the Spanish people. For a year you could not turn on the TV, without hearing jokes about it and it is still referred to, on occasions. I am sure that this is one of the major reasons why people did not want to have troops in Iraq, they doubted that Dubya and his brother did not even knew where that was. Hakan At 07:26 23/07/2004, you wrote: Papa george and his eastern friends wrecked the independant oil men so only ivy league types could continue their control.They are not good ole' boy red necks or texans,but true counterfiets in every way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
rico suavae wrote: Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon? Yankee Boy Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread needs to stop right here. Keith, sorry for playing moderator here but I know you will agree that personal attacks are completely useless to any discussion group. rico, You are allowed to disagree with what Kim/Garth said but you are not allowed to make rude comments about them. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
Greetings Martin, Thanks for defending me, but let him show his ignorance. In actuality, neither I or Bush are Texans. I am a Canuck and the Bush family just adopted poor Texas. I passed the song on because it was well done and funny. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:11 AM 7/23/2004, you wrote: rico suavae wrote: Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon? Yankee Boy Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread needs to stop right here. Keith, sorry for playing moderator here but I know you will agree that personal attacks are completely useless to any discussion group. rico, You are allowed to disagree with what Kim/Garth said but you are not allowed to make rude comments about them. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Electricity from WVO and Rapeseed
I heard an interesting story on the BBC World Service Europe Today program broadcast on July 23. They interviewed a spokesperson from a British company with a patented technology to generate electrical power from rapeseed oil and WVO. The process involves virgin oil and waste vegetable oil. The rapeseed is pressed to extract the virgin oil for fuel. Then the soild remains from the pressing is mixed with waste vegetable oil and burned in a turbine. In this way, the entire rapeseed is used to generate electricity. According to the interview, the technology could produce electricity for one thousand homes for one year using crops planted in an area of 1 square mile (2.5 sq km). Based on the rapeseed crops planted in the UK now, there is enough to supply five percent of the UK power needs. The article did not appear on their web site, but perhaps it will be available later at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/europe/europetoday/index.shtml best regards, rob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
Okay, I'm very excited by all the interest that has been shown in this group to the inline glow plug heater. Here's the update! We have been delayed in our actual running of the bus due to a cracked head, but we are doing the heads and will be running again in less than a week. Yesterday we did a very promising test. We have an automotive heater knob with four settings (off, high, med, and low in that order) and we have it run to the glow plug after the lighted truck switch. We tested the glow plug in it, and it certainly seems to get a great range of heat. On low, it gets just barely hot enough to burn your hand, on med, it gets rather hot but not glowing, and on high it glows red. I know these are some very inacurate measurements, but they are promising for us none the less. As for fuses, we have tested the glow plug with a 10a and a 20a fuse, and we have certainly not blown any yet. Right now, I believe we have a 20a in there, but we may lower it to 10 and see what happens. The lighted switch is rated to 20a, and the fuse is wired before both switches. Some have suggested that we need to have a filter installed after this, and although this inline glow plug is after our special heated Racor 900FG filter, it is before the regular fuel filter that sits right at the top of the engine not far before the fuel goes into the injection pump. To make sure everyone is clear how we did it, the glow plug is installed in a brass T in the rubber fuel lines before the fuel goes into the transfer pump. We put it here because we were very hesitant to cut into and bend metal flared fuel lines. Another element we have installed only 5 or 6 inches from the inline glow plug is a mechanical temperature sensor run to a guage in the dash, so with the adjustable heat on the glow plug, we should be able to fairly fine tune the temperature of the fuel at this juncture. Does anyone know the optimum temperature for the WVO to reach? Does anyone know at what fuel temperature we risk melting rubber fuel lines? These are the only questions that we haven't satisfactorily answered yet. Anyway, I will certanily keep the group informed. I think that the notion of using a glow plug in this way is going to prove very effective and is rather low cost as a heating system for fuel. To clarify, we are using a two tank system, so we are of course going to turn this glow plug off when we are running diesel, and this glow plug has nothing to do with the normal functioning of glow plugs in the head. Anyway, that's all for now, cheers! Joshua Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jatropha book
Free online http://www.echonet.org/ ECHO Development Notes ISSUE 60, MAY 1998 Edited By Martin L. Price 17391 Durrance Road, North Fort Myers, FL 33917-2239 Phone: (941) 543-3246, Fax: (941) 543-5317 USA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.echonet.org New IPGRI Series Promotes Underutilized Crops. The International Plant Genetic Resources Institute (IPGRI) has published a series of books titled Promoting the conservation and use of underutilized and neglected crops. Each title covers a different crop species. The purpose is to draw attention to species which have been neglected in a varying degree by researchers and/or underutilized economically. As ECHO is very interested in underexploited crops, we wrote to IPGRI and obtained copies of each title in the series. IPGRI is a research center dedicated to identifying and collecting plant germplasm, conserving it, and disseminating it to researchers developing or promoting new crops. Each book focuses on taxonomy, origins of species, related species, and reproduction biology. Ecology, propagation methods, cultivation, and germplasm conservation are also covered. Because of the heavy focus on germplasm topics, the series will not be of interest to everyone in our network. Those trying to identify local minor crops and possibly useful wild relatives or who have worked to introduce a specific crop will find this series helpful. For example, Nancy Harper in Belize wrote to ECHO regarding the physic nut, Jatropha curcas. The physic nut is a shrub widely found in the tropics. (It is used as a living fence and as a medicinal, grows in arid regions, and produces a nut which when pressed yields an oil that can be used in making soap and has been used as a diesel substitute in small engines with some success in trials. Young leaves of the plant may be cooked and eaten. All parts of the plant have been used medicinally.) Most Jatropha curcas plants produce toxic nuts. In Mexico and Central America there are types of physic nut that are safe to eat when roasted. Nancy wanted to know if these edible types were a different species of Jatropha and if they should therefore propagate them by cuttings or by seed. Using the IPGRI book on Jatropha curcas, we learned that the edible type is probably the same species as the toxic type, and that because it is pollinated by insects, the edible and toxic types may be able to cross pollinate if grown in the same area. We encouraged her to talk with local farmers, as the book seemed to indicate that in her region the predominant Jatropha may be the non-toxic type, making propagation by seed safe. The series book on black nightshades, Solanum nigrum and related species, is useful for identifying local Solanum species used as potherbs and huckleberries, as ten species or sub-species are described in detail with diagrams, local names, and an identification key. Some botanical education would be helpful in using the key. (The genus Solanum includes tomato, pepper, potato and eggplant. It also contains many wild relatives, some of which have food potential and some are poisonous.) These are the titles in print as of this time: Physic nut Jatropha curcas L., Yam bean Pachyrhizus DC., Coriander Coriandrum sativum L., Hulled wheats: Proceedings of the First International Workshop on Hulled Wheats Guizotia abyssinica (L.f.) Cass., Pili nut Canarium ovatum Engl., Safflower Carthamus tinctorius L., Chayote Sechium edule (Jacq.) SW., Bambara groundnut Vigna subterranea (L.) Verdc., Breadfruit Artocarpus altilis (Parkinson) Fosberg, Cat's whiskers Cleome gynandra L., Tef Eragrostis tef (Zucc.) Trotter, Sago Palm Metroxylon sagu Rottb., Oregano S., Black nightshades Solanum nigrum L. and related species, Carob tree Ceratonia siliqua L. IPGRI advertises that their publications are free of charge to institutions and libraries. We corresponded with their publications department for clarification. Paul Stapleton, Head of the Editorial and Publications Unit, replied IPGRI publications are distributed free of charge, so we aim to place them in libraries and institutions so that their potential readership is maximized. We do not want them to be read by one person, then filed on a bookshelf and forgotten. However, if the organization is going to use the information to benefit workers in the area, they can have as many copies of our material as needed. IPGRI is eager to disseminate its information where it can do the most good, and that is why we maintain our free distribution policy. Some workers can easily show that they have a need for a personal copy, such as laboratory researchers, university professors, extension agents, etc., and we gladly supply those. If your organization is able to make use of one of the titles listed above or would like to know of IPGRI's many other titles related to germplasm conservation and breeding, write to: Paul Stapleton; Head
