RE: [biofuel] Re: ready to go rquipment in the uk
EU directive (2003/30/EC) states that 2% of all transport fuel should be bio fuel by 2005, and 5% by 2010 over all The UKís production of bio diesel is minute at 6000t/y, compared to the 18m t/y of petrol diesel consumed. There is a need for rapid growth over the next year or so, as the EU directive (2003/30/EC) states that 2% of all transport fuel should be bio fuel by 2005, and 6% by 2010. pending if Mr Blair is elected and whether he chooses the dollar or the Euro this is just an Although these percentages are insignificant the UK does not have the capacity to produce and as a result have to export from main land Europe. In August 2002 a 20p/l in duty on bio diesel was introduced but as yet it has not caused the type of increase in bio diesel production required in the UK, this was not a large Enoch reduction to make bio diesel production economically viable as there is a 30p/l duty remains. Austria, Germany, Sweden and France have all low or zero taxation, and significant bio diesel production. Germany had minimal bio diesel production capacity ten years ago; and now it is the larges producer in the world with 6-7 hundred thousand t/y. The UK has to follow in the German example and Quickly as a new EU directive in 2004-2005 will ban the use of vegetable oil in animal feed. Although this is a substantial amount 1-2 hundred thousand t/y it is no were near Enoch to fulfil the obligation to produce 350,000 by 2005. hope this help just email back if u need more info Mohamed --- dermot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mohamed, Could you tell me what EU legislation you are talking about or have you a reference to it? Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: mohamed hassan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 11:10 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ready to go rquipment in the uk hi Shaun Harwood i am in Loughborough UK am interested in bio diesel and would like to know if i can get involved in your plans with my technical know how ??? especially when EU legislation on biological fuels demanding a 2% market share of bio diesel fuels by 2005, and a share of 5.75% by 2010. Please get in touch and will try to help as much as possible Mohamed --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, shaun horwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you Know of any Individuals or companies who sells the equipment ready to make bio diesel in the Uk, I am in the South (Swindon) .I can get plenty of used cooking oil and wish to manufacture approx 5000lts per month for personal use. regards Shaun [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Biofuel] Another welcome
Please read this message - it will help you get the best out of your membership. Rights and obligations Membership of Internet discussion groups is a privilege, not a right. Like any community, your rights end where those of others begin. This is especially important at the Biofuel list, which has a large, global, multi-cultural membership with very diverse views. Many of the members think this is one of the list's greatest values, but some newcomers are unprepared for it, and a small minority fail to adapt: confronted with views that differ from their own, they lash out in anger. Others have demanded that dissenting views be censored, usually by labelling them off-topic. But would you walk into a strange bar in a foreign city and give everyone orders about what they may and may not discuss? Of course not. Open discussion Some newcomers don't realize at first that it's a *biofuels* list, not just about how to make biodiesel. Biofuels is a much more wide-ranging subject and it comes with a context. With such an international membership, what has nothing to do with biofuels is a matter of opinion. Anything that has to do with energy has relevance for biofuels issues. Similarly, though the focus is on ready-to-use technologies, discussion of all alternative energy technologies and topics is welcome. (Free energy scams might not be very welcome.) So the discussion is free and open. That is a long-established tradition of the list, much discussed and endorsed by the majority of the list membership. There aren't a lot of rules, but that is one of them: no calls for restricted discussion. It's a discussion list, not a less-discussion list. That said, the Biofuel list is also a very good place to learn how to make and use biodiesel, with about the best resources there are and many experienced biodieselers who are happy to help. List Netiquette Other rules are the usual ones: good Netiquette, the universal rules of social discourse, that discussions should be even-handed and honest. Some of the following are rules, others guidance. - If someone questions you, don't just ignore them. You should be prepared to substantiate what you say, or to acknowledge it if you can't. Admitting you were wrong doesn't mean you lose face, it gains you respect. - Obscene language is banned. - Advertising of goods or services related to biofuels is not banned but should be kept to a minimum. This is a privilege, not a right, and it should be proportional to a member's contribution to normal discussions. There are also other issues involved. If in doubt it's best to ask the list administration first. - Don't call for an offlist response unless you have a special reason. If it's discussed on-list, everybody can share in the discussion, more people will contribute, you'll end up with much better answers, and it will all be in the archives for future seekers to find there. - When there's disagreement, try to be diplomatic - attack an opinion, not the person. I disagree is not the same as You're wrong. Disagreement is productive, flame wars are not. - Trim your replies: quote relevant portions of the original message in your reply, and snip what's not relevant. Read through what you've written before you Send it. - In-line responses are much better than on-top responses (some lists insist on in-line responses). See: Post In-line for Context http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/03.html See also: Netiquette http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/04.html Netiquette, by Virginia Shea, Table of Contents (online book) http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html - All members are obliged to read Administrative messages sent to the list, and to heed them. These messages will have PLEASE READ - Moderator's message in the Subject line. Using the list Newcomers sometimes get confused by all the different topics being discussed, but all messages have subject lines, there's no need to read anything you don't want to read. If you don't see what you're interested in, just ask. Or check the archives first to see if it has been dealt with previously, and then ask. If you have information to offer please do so. Here is some advice on how best to handle a mailing list: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Languages The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English speaker please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad English but it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to understand. Use the language translation programs on the Web if you like, they're not very good sometimes, but again it doesn't matter. The list is not just for the Western English-speaking males who mostly populate the Internet, it is for everyone, with a special interest in the 3rd World countries of the Global South. http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Language Tools List
[Biofuel] PLEASE READ - moderator's message
Where exactly we are is at list member Martin Klingensmith's site, along with the Extremely Useful list archives that Martin runs for us, and with the Journey to Forever website too. The essential list addresses are in the auto-welcome you received from the Mailman program, and in the headers above, and the footers below. Or they should be anyway. The second Welcome message sent onlist is from the administrators - rules, of a sort. The gist of it is that the list is an online community, for sharing and mutual benefit, not a shop where you can be demanding and the customer's always right. Once you realize that it's all fairly obvious. If you come to a mailing list via Yahoo though you might be more inclined to see it as a shop - the wrong expectations, and another reason for leaving there. This below is quite interesting. http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/lifelist.html Psychology of Cyberspace The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists Kat Nagel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up). 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after). We're fluctuating between stages 4 and 5, but there are many indications and have been for some while that we're really at 6b. But, indeed, stage 5 pops up every few weeks, but not briefly - more often the result has been to knock us back to stage 4. This is what I meant when I said the list administrators had been concerned less with direct administration than with what's involved in moving the list, and in planning its future course. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/38212/ Now we're here we can get on with it - to 6b, and maturity. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
email-only! No option for the Web only - no email preference available at Yahoo. We're sorry about this, the administrators discussed it a lot. One major reason is that there still is no good email list software available that also offers a fully functional web board interface, where messages can be sent, read and replied to, as at Yahoo. We have a Web archives (two archives!) where you can read messages and search for previous information, but you can't send messages from there. It was decided that moving the list away from Yahoo outweighed the disadvantages of losing the Web interface. Also, using the Web as a discussion forum interface has its disadvantages. Web forums might be more sociable, arguably, but on average, discussion is more chatty and superficial, the noise to signal ratio is higher, there's less direction and development, and the users don't build up their own information resources - it's a bit like having no memory. The exception, well-run web boards that overcome these disadvantages, are in the minority, and often have a paid staff to manage them, or you have to pay a subscription to join. Neither of these options is open to us here. By comparison, email discussions are usually meatier, and where it's subject specific as this list is, you can't help building up a good personal knowledge-base - which is why we're all here, after all. But it needs some technique. We'd argue that if you're not prepared to learn the few simple skills required to handle an email list well, will you be prepared to learn the skills needed to make your own fuel well? People sometimes complain that they're being swamped or flooded with hundreds of emails a day. But the Biofuel list isn't a high volume list, which would have 200-300 emails a day, just medium volume with about 30 or so messages a day. If you can't handle this list as an information resource then you should improve your techniques, because a whole world of knowledge is passing you by. There is a Daily Digest option, a single email containing all that day's messages. But Daily Digests are not a good way of doing it, they only look like a good way at first, but they make the information less accessible, not more.. You need an email account that delivers email to your computer via a good email program (eg Eudora, or Outlook Express if you're careful about viruses). Then you have email filters that you can set so they automatically send mails on different subjects to different mailboxes - no flooded in-box. There are also search functions you can use to find information in what will soon grow into a very useful database on your own hard disk. Filters and separate mailboxes are essential to handling mailing lists properly, and perhaps the Internet in general. Now you have a memory. When you ask questions they'll be better informed and you'll get better answers. You'll be more willing to answer other people's questions and to contribute generally. You benefit, everyone benefits, as a community we become more effective in advancing biofuels issues, and we all live happily ever after. Please have a look at this previous message on handling email, it might help you: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Here's another way that a list member recommended - good! I'm accustomed to the e-mail system and simply file messages I want to keep in an archival folder. Everything else goes in the trash after reading because I know it's all archived for my benefit, and accessible when the need arises. (Thank you, thank you, thank you!) And yet another way from another member - BAD! My solution is to monitor the in-box regularly printing those items of special interest (for a resource file), and deleting those postings which are not of specific interest. Printing??? Ulp... You can't grep dead trees. He hasn't realised what a computer does, and he hasn't discovered archives yet either. Another point that he misses, which the previous member didn't miss, is that it's impossible to pre-judge which information will turn out to be useful and which not. On a computer it just doesn't matter - the more information there is in your database the more sheer depth it will have, while it won't make searching any slower, and current-model computer hard disks have plenty of space, 40Gb and more. (That's equivalent to 40,000 to 50,000 books.) Many members were on the Web only - no email option at Yahoo, but many other members are email adepts. Can we all try to help each other find our feet? See also: http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.top.html A Beginner's Guide to Effective Email Thanks! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of Americaâs traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. ãOnly one in five want to see Bush reelected,ä said Steven Kull, the universityâs program on international policy attitudes. ãThough he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president.ä The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of Americaâs traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bushâs seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bushâs closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bushâs 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bushâs foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel ãworseä about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel ãbetter.ä ãPerhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq,ä said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerryâs 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bushâs 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bushâs 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global Support for US ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Two comments At 09:06 AM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: People sometimes complain that they're being swamped or flooded with hundreds of emails a day. But the Biofuel list isn't a high volume list, which would have 200-300 emails a day, just medium volume with about 30 or so messages a day. If you can't handle this list as an information resource then you should improve your techniques, because a whole world of knowledge is passing you by. 30 messages? since when? I've been on email only since I subscribed and I'm not sure I've gotten 30 messages since july... This is a slow list traffic wise if people can't deal with this list's traffic they certainly don't have time to make their own dinner let alone their own fuel. AllanD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
[Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Two comments At 09:06 AM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: People sometimes complain that they're being swamped or flooded with hundreds of emails a day. But the Biofuel list isn't a high volume list, which would have 200-300 emails a day, just medium volume with about 30 or so messages a day. If you can't handle this list as an information resource then you should improve your techniques, because a whole world of knowledge is passing you by. 30 messages? since when? I've been on email only since I subscribed and I'm not sure I've gotten 30 messages since july... This is a slow list traffic wise if people can't deal with this list's traffic they certainly don't have time to make their own dinner let alone their own fuel. AllanD Slow? Not sure where you've been, but since the end of July there have been 965 messages, average 25 a day, slightly lower than usual. Not just 30 total. It says here according to Yahoo that your email account was set to 'No Email'. Let's see if it's still like that... Yep - No email, since 6/17/2004 . Maybe my message was meant just for you? :-) Anyway, now you're on email, but you'll still have time for dinner. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fwd from Greg: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks
fixed it, but here's his message. Sorry Greg! Best Keith From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:01:11 -0600 That is a thought, I was having visions of filling with water and then adding in a can ( or two ) of Drano, let set a couple of weeks as the Drano converts the oil to detergents, then drain, and rinse. Greg H. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]CH To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:41 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks To clean these tanks, how about just going to a car wash and using their hot water and soap pressure washer? Seems like it would work. I've got one that needs a good cleaning I think I'll give it a try. Chris JHP31 wrote: The tanks have a 4 drain with an on/off valve at the bottom. There is a 12 opening at the top with a lid. I think it would be very easy to wash using a water hose with high pressure. I would only store finished BD. An excellent setteling tank. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
One thing many will notice straight away about the new list - email-only! No option for the Web only - no email preference available at Yahoo. We're sorry about this, the administrators discussed it a lot. One major reason is that there still is no good email list software available that also offers a fully functional web board interface, where messages can be sent, read and replied to, as at Yahoo. I believe Communigate Pro might do this but I haven't played with it in years, so I can't say for sure. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - moderator's message
Hello Keith. Its been a long time since I wrote something due to increase in work at my workplace (under economic recovering), I still read some post but it is incresealy difficult to catch up, I still remember those days with the number of list members less than 1000! I think it is better to have in the e-mail only format for the slow computers owners and places where there is only slower providers of Internet access like in my country Paraguay. Juan -Mensaje original- De: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Miercoles 8 de Septiembre de 2004 9:07 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - moderator's message Well, here we all are at last. I hope. Where exactly we are is at list member Martin Klingensmith's site, along with the Extremely Useful list archives that Martin runs for us, and with the Journey to Forever website too. The essential list addresses are in the auto-welcome you received from the Mailman program, and in the headers above, and the footers below. Or they should be anyway. The second Welcome message sent onlist is from the administrators - rules, of a sort. The gist of it is that the list is an online community, for sharing and mutual benefit, not a shop where you can be demanding and the customer's always right. Once you realize that it's all fairly obvious. If you come to a mailing list via Yahoo though you might be more inclined to see it as a shop - the wrong expectations, and another reason for leaving there. This below is quite interesting. http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/lifelist.html Psychology of Cyberspace The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists Kat Nagel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up). 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after). We're fluctuating between stages 4 and 5, but there are many indications and have been for some while that we're really at 6b. But, indeed, stage 5 pops up every few weeks, but not briefly - more often the result has been to knock us back to stage 4. This is what I meant when I said the list administrators had been concerned less with direct administration than with what's involved in moving the list, and in planning its future course. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/38212/ Now we're here we can get on with it - to 6b, and maturity. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Safe Energy Conference in Chicago
[NIPG] Safe Energy Conference in Chicago FYI: Dr. Helen Caldicott is the Founding President of Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR). PSR was the co-winner of the 1985 Nobel Peace Prize, and Dr. Linus Pauling individually nominated Dr. Caldicott for the Prize. Dr. Caldicott also founded Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament (WAND), and is the author of numerous books exploring nuclear and environmental issues, the most recent of which is entitled The New Nuclear Danger: George W. Bush's Military-Industrial Complex. - --- Dear Safe Energy Supporter, On December 3, 1942, Chicago was witness to the Dawn of the Nuclear Age, when Enrico Fermi and his research team initiated the world's first sustained, controlled chain reaction in a secret lab under the squash courts at University of Chicago. On October 15th, 2004, Chicago will be witness to what many of us hope will be the Beginning of the End of the Nuclear Age, as hundreds gather from Illinois and beyond for a national conference dedicated to ending nuclear perils of all kinds. This major national Conference titled, Nuclear Power and Children's Health, will be a two-day symposium on current issues and findings about the hazards of nuclear power and low-level radiation exposure. On behalf of the planning committee for this event, I would like to extend a formal invitation for you, your friends and members of your family to attend this important Conference. This Conference (available online at www.nuclearpolicy.org ) is being conducted by internationally renown pediatrician and peace activist Dr. Helen Caldicott, founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility and the Nuclear Policy Research Institute (NSPI) of Washington, D.C. in cooperation with the Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS) of Washington, D.C.; and locally by the Chicago Chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR-Chicago), North Suburban Peace Initiative (NSPI), and NEIS. It will be held at St. Scholastica Academy in West Rogers Park, Chicago, on Friday and Saturday, October 15-16; and is expected to draw over 400 participants from Illinois communities and other states. We offer participation in this Conference as a means of becoming educated and updated on new developments and findings on nuclear concerns. What better place to plan the end of the Nuclear Age than in the belly of the beast - Illinois, the most nuclear-reliant state in the U.S.; the one responsible for producing more high-level radioactive wastes than any other state; the place where it all began! This Conference comes at a time when: á The major utilities, heavily nuclear-reliant Exelon among them, still balk and actively work against the adoption of state or federal renewable energy legislation ; á Exelon announces plans to seek extended operation permission from federal regulators for its four aging Dresden and Quad Cities reactors, among the oldest, most decrepit and heavily fined reactors in the U.S.; and seeks permission for an early site permit for the possible construction of new nuclear reactors in Illinois, sometime before 2010; á A cancer cluster is reported to exist in the area around the Dresden reactor, yet is dismissed by public health officials and Exelon (a trained health care worker and mother of one child victim of this cancer cluster will report her experience at the Conference); á New medical and scientific evidence indicates that low-doses of radiation exposure may have powerfully greater negative effects than previously thought or believed, strongly suggesting the need for a planned decrease, not increase, in nuclear power and other radiation-related industries (findings to be presented by several researchers and MD's); á A former Exelon senior engineer turned safety advocate/whistle-blower reports gross violation of NRC standards regarding safety certification and quality assurance issues, yet has his concerns dismissed as inconsequential by the regulators at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (he will present his revelations and conclusions at the Conference); á Federal regulators at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission have thoroughly abdicated their regulatory responsibility to protect the public and the environment, and routinely cave-in to every demand from the nuclear industry (you will hear details of this at the Conference from experienced nuclear engineer David Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists). á Uranium left over from the manufacture of reactor fuel is now being manufactured into radioactive weapons like depleted uranium -DU - the manufacture and use of which continues to expose millions of civilians and hundreds of thousands of military personnel and workers worldwide to potentially hazardous doses of ionizing radiation. These issues and concerns have enormous significance and implications for the economic and environmental future of Illinois, with its 14 reactors (11
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They are a bit pricey, but work great, the technology is well developed and, if the refrigerants are handled properly, environmentally sound. A search on 'Servel', 'RV Refrigerator' or 'absorption refrigeration' may be useful. Kim Garth Travis said: Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Average BTU consumed Per Passenger mile by mode of travel: SUV: 4,591 Air: 4,123 Bus: 3,729 Car: 3,672 Train: 2,138 Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics http://199.79.179.77/publications/nts/index.html It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. __ J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) Reports that say something hasn't happened are interesting to me, because as we know, there are known unknowns; there things we know we know, Rumsfeld told the briefing. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Hey Kim, A few of questions. 1) Why don't you say hello? 2) What is the terrain around your house like ( flat hilly woods ect...)? 3) What is the weather like around your house ( hot mild dry damp ect...)? The first question is just out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer if you don't want, but, for the other two - well let's just say I have come across some very interesting solutions to some problems with things for root cellaring, and could pass them on with more info. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 05:01 Subject: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Hello Kin Garth In our country where there is no electric grid avalable, it is standard the use of a refrigerator using Ammonia and Hidrogen as the refrigerating agents and a burner as energy source, using as fuel LPG o Kerosene as the combustion material. You might change the burner for those big ones prepared for veg oil or BioD instead and. Regards. Juan -Mensaje original- De: Kim Garth Travis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves 9 de Septiembre de 2004 8:01 AM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Another welcome
read your notification thank you for accepting me on list ken blades KEN R BLADES -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:06:52 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Another welcome Welcome to the Biofuel mailing list. Please read this message - it will help you get the best out of your membership. Rights and obligations Membership of Internet discussion groups is a privilege, not a right. Like any community, your rights end where those of others begin. This is especially important at the Biofuel list, which has a large, global, multi-cultural membership with very diverse views. Many of the members think this is one of the list's greatest values, but some newcomers are unprepared for it, and a small minority fail to adapt: confronted with views that differ from their own, they lash out in anger. Others have demanded that dissenting views be censored, usually by labelling them off-topic. But would you walk into a strange bar in a foreign city and give everyone orders about what they may and may not discuss? Of course not. Open discussion Some newcomers don't realize at first that it's a *biofuels* list, not just about how to make biodiesel. Biofuels is a much more wide-ranging subject and it comes with a context. With such an international membership, what has nothing to do with biofuels is a matter of opinion. Anything that has to do with energy has relevance for biofuels issues. Similarly, though the focus is on ready-to-use technologies, discussion of all alternative energy technologies and topics is welcome. (Free energy scams might not be very welcome.) So the discussion is free and open. That is a long-established tradition of the list, much discussed and endorsed by the majority of the list membership. There aren't a lot of rules, but that is one of them: no calls for restricted discussion. It's a discussion list, not a less-discussion list. That said, the Biofuel list is also a very good place to learn how to make and use biodiesel, with about the best resources there are and many experienced biodieselers who are happy to help. List Netiquette Other rules are the usual ones: good Netiquette, the universal rules of social discourse, that discussions should be even-handed and honest. Some of the following are rules, others guidance. - If someone questions you, don't just ignore them. You should be prepared to substantiate what you say, or to acknowledge it if you can't. Admitting you were wrong doesn't mean you lose face, it gains you respect. - Obscene language is banned. - Advertising of goods or services related to biofuels is not banned but should be kept to a minimum. This is a privilege, not a right, and it should be proportional to a member's contribution to normal discussions. There are also other issues involved. If in doubt it's best to ask the list administration first. - Don't call for an offlist response unless you have a special reason. If it's discussed on-list, everybody can share in the discussion, more people will contribute, you'll end up with much better answers, and it will all be in the archives for future seekers to find there. - When there's disagreement, try to be diplomatic - attack an opinion, not the person. I disagree is not the same as You're wrong. Disagreement is productive, flame wars are not. - Trim your replies: quote relevant portions of the original message in your reply, and snip what's not relevant. Read through what you've written before you Send it. - In-line responses are much better than on-top responses (some lists insist on in-line responses). See: Post In-line for Context http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/03.html See also: Netiquette http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/04.html Netiquette, by Virginia Shea, Table of Contents (online book) http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html - All members are obliged to read Administrative messages sent to the list, and to heed them. These messages will have PLEASE READ - Moderator's message in the Subject line. Using the list Newcomers sometimes get confused by all the different topics being discussed, but all messages have subject lines, there's no need to read anything you don't want to read. If you don't see what you're interested in, just ask. Or check the archives first to see if it has been dealt with previously, and then ask. If you have information to offer please do so. Here is some advice on how best to handle a mailing list: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Languages The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English speaker please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad English but it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to understand. Use the language translation programs on the Web if you like, they're not very good
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Keith; I don't want you to take this as my being critical, about the new email format, but... I really did like the daily message list, to the Yahoo Group, as it keeps me from having to read all the posts, if the subject line didn't appeal to my interests (political rants, disagreements between members, etc.). Now, it would appear, I will be getting every email that comes in, and if this new format follows the same number of daily posts, I'll have about 25-30 emails a day, to sort thru. To be fair, I will sit back and give this a trial, I may be over pessimistic in what I foresee. Don Faulkner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global Support for US ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
In that case Yahoo changed my settings for me and I never checked. I just thought it was a slow list like the other two alt fuel lists I'm on. BTW, can we keep the political rhetoric to a minimum? I found that world wide Bush Vs Kerry poll post to be bordering on the offensive (though more amusing to my finely tuned BS detector) Frankly I consider myself a Centrist, but by comparison to the foaming at the mouth leftist/liberals I may SEEM to be right wing... an appearance purely created by their skewed view of things... If someone posts stuff like that I'm going to reply to it. and if those posts are allowed and contrary views aren't the simply solution is don't post political BS either from the left or the right. AD At 09:22 PM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: Hello AllanD Two comments At 09:06 AM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: People sometimes complain that they're being swamped or flooded with hundreds of emails a day. But the Biofuel list isn't a high volume list, which would have 200-300 emails a day, just medium volume with about 30 or so messages a day. If you can't handle this list as an information resource then you should improve your techniques, because a whole world of knowledge is passing you by. 30 messages? since when? I've been on email only since I subscribed and I'm not sure I've gotten 30 messages since july... This is a slow list traffic wise if people can't deal with this list's traffic they certainly don't have time to make their own dinner let alone their own fuel. AllanD Slow? Not sure where you've been, but since the end of July there have been 965 messages, average 25 a day, slightly lower than usual. Not just 30 total. It says here according to Yahoo that your email account was set to 'No Email'. Let's see if it's still like that... Yep - No email, since 6/17/2004. Maybe my message was meant just for you? :-) Anyway, now you're on email, but you'll still have time for dinner. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - moderator's message
Nice to hear from you again. Hello Keith. Its been a long time since I wrote something due to increase in work at my workplace (under economic recovering), I still read some post but it is incresealy difficult to catch up, I still remember those days with the number of list members less than 1000! I think it is better to have in the e-mail only format for the slow computers owners and places where there is only slower providers of Internet access like in my country Paraguay. I think it's better for just about everything except idle chatter. :-) regards Keith Juan -Mensaje original- De: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Miercoles 8 de Septiembre de 2004 9:07 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - moderator's message Well, here we all are at last. I hope. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Keith Addison wrote: One thing many will notice straight away about the new list - email-only! No option for the Web only - no email preference available at Yahoo. We're sorry about this, the administrators discussed it a lot. One major reason is that there still is no good email list software available that also offers a fully functional web board interface, where messages can be sent, read and replied to, as at Yahoo. I believe Communigate Pro might do this but I haven't played with it in years, so I can't say for sure. Martin will know that, I don't. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Keith; I don't want you to take this as my being critical, about the new email format, but... It's not new, it's always been the standard. The Web only interface was an add on. I really did like the daily message list, to the Yahoo Group, as it keeps me from having to read all the posts, if the subject line didn't appeal to my interests (political rants, disagreements between members, etc.). Now, it would appear, I will be getting every email that comes in, and if this new format follows the same number of daily posts, I'll have about 25-30 emails a day, to sort thru. We get 800-1,000. To be fair, I will sit back and give this a trial, I may be over pessimistic in what I foresee. Don, I think you should have another read of the message you're replying to. It's here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/08.html [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list There's information there, advice, resources. Without my being critical, viewed as an information resource, you've been wasting it. You can't give it a fair trial if you go on using the same technique, or lack of one. Did you check this link that's reffed there for instance? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Do yourself a favour Don. Best wishes Keith Don Faulkner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Political BS - was Re: Using an email discussion list
You registered it that way yourself. The membership record as at 18 June showed this: allandegroot','[EMAIL PROTECTED]','','-','','','No Email','Moderated','6/18/2004' For all Yahoo's faults, it does not change members' preferences. Not ever. and I never checked. I just thought it was a slow list like the other two alt fuel lists I'm on. BTW, can we keep the political rhetoric to a minimum? I found that world wide Bush Vs Kerry poll post to be bordering on the offensive (though more amusing to my finely tuned BS detector) Frankly I consider myself a Centrist, but by comparison to the foaming at the mouth leftist/liberals I may SEEM to be right wing... an appearance purely created by their skewed view of things... If someone posts stuff like that I'm going to reply to it. and if those posts are allowed and contrary views aren't the simply solution is don't post political BS either from the left or the right. Your simple solution harks from two places: (a) the American right, which is well-known for finding it difficult to abide dissenting views (see archives, eg), and (b) the US, but this is not an American list, it's a global list, and Americans are but an honoured minority here. However, AllanD, you've just made another mistake, or several of them rather. You received a list message titled [Biofuel] Another welcome, from the Biofuel list administration, which was also referred to in the Welcome message you received, under List rules, that discussed Open discussion - There aren't a lot of rules, but that is one of them: no calls for restricted discussion. That message also discusses Rights and obligations: Membership of Internet discussion groups is a privilege, not a right. Like any community, your rights end where those of others begin. It is a member's obligation to read such messages: All members are obliged to read Administrative messages sent to the list, and to heed them. In consequence, you have just been removed from the Biofuel mailing list. If you now wish to say I told you so! about this: and if those posts are allowed and contrary views aren't ... you're welcome, but you'll have to do it somewhere else. In fact WE told YOU so, but you took no notice, and that's all there is to it. If you'd agreed wholeheartedly with MH's post but then said same thing about political BS exactly the same thing would now be happening. There are many right-wingers here, from the US and elsewhere, their views are as welcome as any others. But this is not a shop, Mr De Groot, you are not a paying customer, and you very obviously aren't always right. Goodbye. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner AD At 09:22 PM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: Hello AllanD Two comments At 09:06 AM 9/9/04 +0900, you wrote: People sometimes complain that they're being swamped or flooded with hundreds of emails a day. But the Biofuel list isn't a high volume list, which would have 200-300 emails a day, just medium volume with about 30 or so messages a day. If you can't handle this list as an information resource then you should improve your techniques, because a whole world of knowledge is passing you by. 30 messages? since when? I've been on email only since I subscribed and I'm not sure I've gotten 30 messages since july... This is a slow list traffic wise if people can't deal with this list's traffic they certainly don't have time to make their own dinner let alone their own fuel. AllanD Slow? Not sure where you've been, but since the end of July there have been 965 messages, average 25 a day, slightly lower than usual. Not just 30 total. It says here according to Yahoo that your email account was set to 'No Email'. Let's see if it's still like that... Yep - No email, since 6/17/2004 . Maybe my message was meant just for you? :-) Anyway, now you're on email, but you'll still have time for dinner. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd from Greg: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks
I've had good results cleaning old gas tanks out with Muriatic acid. I let it sit for a day or so, then flush out the tank with water several times and then use baking soda to neutralize the acid. Then I coat the tank in oil or somehting similar to stop the rust from getting at it before it gets used. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
There is a Daily Digest option, a single email containing all that day's messages. But Daily Digests are not a good way of doing it, they only look like a good way at first, but they make the information less accessible, not more.. If want to choose this option anyway, how do I go about it since I am already subscribed? I don't want to subscribe twice. Do I have/need a password? Caroline ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Hey Kim, Greetings Greg, A few of questions. 1) Why don't you say hello? I always open my epistles with: 'Greetings', partly because there are so many people named Kim out there and partly because I like it better. Some virus sent out a bunch of emails in my name, which is why I pointed this fact out. 2) What is the terrain around your house like ( flat hilly woods ect...)? Flat, no trees as yet, full sun. 3) What is the weather like around your house ( hot mild dry damp ect...)? Hot and humid, I am 125 miles north of the Gulf of Mexico in Texas. Summer highs can hit 117F, lots of rain, heavy down pours are common such as 18 inches in 24 hours. The first question is just out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer if you don't want, but, for the other two - well let's just say I have come across some very interesting solutions to some problems with things for root cellaring, and could pass them on with more info. Any ideas would be wonderful as I am out of ideas at this point. Greg H. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Kim, Aerated concrete (like Hebel blocks) can be used to make a coolroom. There is also a way you can use alcohol Zeolite to create a cooling system. Have a Google around and you should find some info. regards Doug On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:01 pm, Kim Garth Travis wrote: Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings Kim, The solution could be wrapping your storage area in marble. Marble has a curious property--it stays 15 degrees cooler than the surroundings. Not so good for a bathroom floor, as I have discovered. But a great idea for storing foods that need to be cold. While marble may sound expensive, depending where you live, you can pick up a whole bunch absolutely for free. I fulfill all my slab marble and granite needs by visiting the dumpsters of local tile and granite shops. These shops throw away many tons of stone every week! I personally have more than I can use, and nearly killed my rabbit hauling so much stone my shocks were fully compressed. You can even develop a relationship with the workers to have them save aside choice chunks for you before they get thrown in and buried, or broken. Then if you still had to chill it some, at least your refrigeration would be working less of the time. Capra -Original Message- From: Kim Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
There is a Daily Digest option, a single email containing all that day's messages. But Daily Digests are not a good way of doing it, they only look like a good way at first, but they make the information less accessible, not more.. If want to choose this option anyway, how do I go about it since I am already subscribed? I don't want to subscribe twice. Do I have/need a password? Caroline In the Welcome message you received it says: If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: Followed by a link. Click on the link. Or, just go to the url at the end of each message, this one: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel You can change it there, and you can also access your preferences from there. Considering all of which, I would recommend that you read the message you're responding to again, and give it some study. You won't be sorry. It's here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/08.html [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
