[Biofuel] Test batch no. 2
This message was sent earlier (2005-01-05) but seems to have been lost somewhere... Now i am (almost) ready to make the first bigger batch and do not want to be a not so proud owner of 100 l. of glop.. Could anyone encourage me to move on with this oil (of course with titration and so on) or tell me not to with some hints about how to proceed..? Thank You Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 Good evening everybody and thank You for this amount of information communicated here. This is my first post here after at least six months of just reading and thinking while building a reactor from 200l drums. I made a quick page (for some reason with very poor picture quality, please excuse that) about the test batch mentioned by GoHoff and it all looked quite allright to me but after the water test i could not resist to shake it once more the next day and after that it separated again but i got some kind of fluff between the water and the BD (no pictures of that).. It lies on top of the water and looks bad... Is that something that a normal wash would take care of or something that is bad ?? I have bubble washed the rest of the batch in another PET bottle turned upside down with the bottom cut of and a outlet in the screw plug.. The fourth water (this is better than siphoning (??) the used wash water out but some of the milky water still gets caught in there) is very clear. http://user.tninet.se/~qrg733j/Krympta/Snoddastest_1.html Any comments on the rsults of my test batch would be very appreciated. Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
polystyrene pellets into his concrete mix. You know the shipping peanuts. However he had to cut them down to about the size of MM's John Miggins Harvest Solar Wind Power renewable solutions to everyday needs www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete I don't know about using soap, but, professionals make it by mixing in aluminum chips. The aluminum reacts with the calcium hydroxide, and produces aluminum hydroxide and H2 gas. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:52 Subject: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] BioD test batches
Hi folks, I have done two 1 ltr test batches in a 2 ltr PET bottle using new safeway brand canola oil. Test batch 1 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 4.9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Shaken for about 5 mins then every 10-15 mins for the next two hours Result: good separation but the BD layer is milky Test batch 2 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Mixed in blender for 20 mins then poured back into pet bottle to settle Result: same as batch 1 only faster One of the locals thought it might be water in the oil. I tested it by heating up a sample in a sauce pan and did not get any spattering or popping. Any thoughts as to why I am not getting a clear BD layer? Thank you, Dana Boulder, CO ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fw: Test batch no. 2
Please excuse my strange postings The original message was posted 2005-02-05 but was dated 2005-01-05 because i had messed with the settings for time and date Please read all of this unsuccessful message ! The most important parts is below I am still very interested in a comment regarding my test batch. Thank You, again Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 - Original Message - From: Lars Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: Test batch no. 2 This message was sent earlier (2005-01-05) but seems to have been lost somewhere... Now i am (almost) ready to make the first bigger batch and do not want to be a not so proud owner of 100 l. of glop.. Could anyone encourage me to move on with this oil (of course with titration and so on) or tell me not to with some hints about how to proceed..? Thank You Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 Good evening everybody and thank You for this amount of information communicated here. This is my first post here after at least six months of just reading and thinking while building a reactor from 200l drums. I made a quick page (for some reason with very poor picture quality, please excuse that) about the test batch mentioned by GoHoff and it all looked quite allright to me but after the water test i could not resist to shake it once more the next day and after that it separated again but i got some kind of fluff between the water and the BD (no pictures of that).. It lies on top of the water and looks bad... Is that something that a normal wash would take care of or something that is bad ?? I have bubble washed the rest of the batch in another PET bottle turned upside down with the bottom cut of and a outlet in the screw plug.. The fourth water (this is better than siphoning (??) the used wash water out but some of the milky water still gets caught in there) is very clear. http://user.tninet.se/~qrg733j/Krympta/Snoddastest_1.html Any comments on the rsults of my test batch would be very appreciated. Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options
'85 was the last year for the 5 cyl all cast iron motor. I searching for one to buy for my personal biodiesel project, I ran across a very nice well-maintained one in Allentown, PA. It is still for sale $3000. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. I just bought one locally and will keep the list updated as I move from test batches to the real thing. And no, they aren't slow. If it is slow it is not working properly. As much pick-up as a gas Volvo 240. OK, a little slow. Chris Kueny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58 Send Biofuel mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Biofuel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Soap ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: Glycerin soap making (JD2005) 3. Re: Re: New member introduction (John Hayes) 4. Re: Glycerin soap making (Andrew Cunningham) 5. RE: What oil to use (Ron Papaleo) 6. Re: Glycerin soap making (Legal Eagle) 7. Glycerine soap making (Legal Eagle) 8. Re: Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization (Keith Addison) 9. US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction (Keith Addison) 10. Re: Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive (DHAJOGLO) 11. Re: Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive (Legal Eagle) 12. Re: Soap (Keith Addison) 13. Biofuel Bill in VA (grahams) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:29:44 +0200 (EET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Soap To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-9 Dear Sir/Madams, Is there any body who can help me making my biodiesel in house. Which way iste cheapest way to make biodiesel. I have read nearly all the web pages. regards, Seref -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:04:21 -0800 From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning. Andy By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? JD2005 -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:27 -0500 From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sir Woody Hackswell wrote: Any others? Especially to fit my station wagon/SUV desires? Opinions on the reliability of the three brands in diesel? I don't have the money for a new, or I might consider the new Jeep Liberty TDI. =sigh= Just a minor point - the Liberty has a CRD powerplant, not a TDI. Likewise, the MB E320 is a CDI, not a TDI. Collectively, they're all diesels, but in North America, the TDI is specific to VW (and Audi if VWAG ever brings one over). The Tdi badge has also been used by Land Rover worldwide, but in the US, these are strictly one off custom conversions as they were never sold in North America market. Anyway, back to your original question, you can find used TDIs here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/postlist.php?Cat=0Board=UBB43 Unfortunately, B5.5 TDI Passats (2004+) start at about $23k and the B4 TDI Passats (19961997 only) are rare as hen's teeth. The B5 Passat never sold with a TDI in North America and the TDI was introduced very very late in the B5.5 product cycle. A4 Chassis (NB, 4th generation Jettas and Golfs) TDIs were available from '99 on but probably appears too small if your wife is insisting on an SUV. Realistically, a 4 door Golf will haul *lots* of stuff, but seems small to the American eye. Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus gasser that gets 35 mpg. Good luck! jh -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:28:31 -0500 From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If you have a sealed container with a vent line, source of hot water (above 75C) and cold water - yes. Run the hot water around the sealed container or put the sealed container in bath of hot water. This will boil off the MeOH - add hot water as needed. The vapors will
[Biofuel] question's
I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative.I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it.Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Honda, Nissan join suit against CA
FWD: Somehow I missed the news on Feb. 4 that Honda and Nissan have joined the suit by other automakers against California's clean-air laws. You can send a letter to Honda easily from the web site of the Union of Concerned Scientists: http://www.ucsaction.org/action/index.asp?step=2item=22412 = Sherry Boschert President San Francisco Electric Vehicle Association 415-681-7731 www.sfeaa.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] glycerine soap making
For those who use a lower % of (c.o.) in your recipe, Castor oil can be used to increase your bubble action. Tracy AntiFossil wrote I have been making my own soap for about 14 years now. The only real secret that I have found in regards to fantastic foaming action of your soaps is the inclusion of coconut oil (c.o.) in your recipe. I am aware that a few of the more popular websites, and even books written on the subject, warn against using too high a percentage of c.o. because of its drying effects on the skin. However, I keep the percentage of c.o. in my soap between 20% and 40%, and haven't had any problems with excessively dry skin. Common sense must also come in to play of course. If you start with dry skin, you would definitely want to stay on lower end of those percentages with c.o., and increase the hydrating oils like olive, and settle for less foaming soap. AntiFossil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen It is hard to believe that George Bush has ever read the works of George Orwell, but he seems, somehow, to have grasped a few Orwellian precepts. The lesson the President has learned best--and certainly the one that has been the most useful to him--is the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration's current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent. Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of God. The omission was too obvious to have been anything but deliberate, in spite of Alexander Hamilton's flippant responses when asked about it: According to one account, he said that the new nation was not in need of foreign aid; according to another, he simply said we forgot. But as Hamilton's biographer Ron Chernow points out, Hamilton never forgot anything important. In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist, God is mentioned only twice (both times by Madison, who uses the word, as Gore Vidal has remarked, in the only Heaven knows sense). In the Declaration of Independence, He gets two brief nods: a reference to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the famous line about men being endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. More blatant official references to a deity date from long after the founding period: In God We Trust did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and under God was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954 [see Elisabeth Sifton, The Battle Over the Pledge, April 5, 2004]. In 1797 our government concluded a Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, or Barbary, now known simply as the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the treaty contains these words: As the Government of the United States...is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of Musselmen--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. This document was endorsed by Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and President John Adams. It was then sent to the Senate for ratification; the vote was unanimous. It is worth pointing out that although this was the 339th time a recorded vote had been required by the Senate, it was only the third unanimous vote in the Senate's history. There is no record of debate or dissent. The text of the treaty was printed in full in the Philadelphia Gazette and in two New York papers, but there were no screams of outrage, as one might expect today. The Founding Fathers were not religious men, and they fought hard to erect, in Thomas Jefferson's words, a wall of separation between church and state. John Adams opined that if they were not restrained by legal measures, Puritans--the fundamentalists of their day--would whip and crop, and pillory and roast. The historical epoch had afforded these men ample opportunity to observe the corruption to which established priesthoods were liable, as well as the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, as Jefferson wrote, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time. If we define a Christian as a person who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then it is safe to say that some of the key Founding Fathers were not Christians at all. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine were deists--that is, they believed in one Supreme Being but rejected revelation and all the supernatural elements of the Christian Church; the word of the Creator, they believed, could best be read in Nature. John Adams was a professed liberal Unitarian, but he, too, in his private correspondence seems more deist than Christian. George Washington and James Madison also leaned toward deism, although neither took much interest in religious matters. Madison believed that religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize. He spoke of the almost fifteen centuries during which Christianity had been on trial: What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [Burnveggies] Biofuel Station pump is open for biz!
on 2/14/05 5:34 PM, Kimber Holmes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, We are pleased to announce that the Biofuel Station's B100 fill-n-go pump is open for business! We are open Mon thru Fri, 9am - 5pm. Please stop by to say hello, and get some B100. The price is $3.50 at the pump (includes all state and federal excise taxes). I've attached a photo of our station. And a beautiful station it is, indeed! But that email took an AWFUL long time to download, for all the Luddites like me in the group that still have dialup (at home :-)). Is there someplace ELSE we might put pictures, with just a pointer in the text? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Better options
Check out these web sites for super strong concrete and better designs.[1] www.romanconcrete.com [2]www.earth-house.com [click eh plans and read liberty house,especially] [3] www.monolithicdome.com Research building of the new buddist temple in hawaii.enormous stones cut in india and shipped to location and assembled on slab that has NO rebar in it.concrete expert p.k. kumar [i believe spelling is correct] was consultant on project.He is retired professor from university of california [berkeley,i believe] and an expert in the use of volcanic ash and flyash cement mixtures. check this out before you get hurt or give up in digust. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] - Original Message - From: knoton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen It is hard to believe that George Bush has ever read the works of George Orwell, but he seems, somehow, to have grasped a few Orwellian precepts. The lesson the President has learned best--and certainly the one that has been the most useful to him--is the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration's current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent. Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of God. The omission was too obvious to have been anything but deliberate, in spite of Alexander Hamilton's flippant responses when asked about it: According to one account, he said that the new nation was not in need of foreign aid; according to another, he simply said we forgot. But as Hamilton's biographer Ron Chernow points out, Hamilton never forgot anything important. In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist, God is mentioned only twice (both times by Madison, who uses the word, as Gore Vidal has remarked, in the only Heaven knows sense). In the Declaration of Independence, He gets two brief nods: a reference to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the famous line about men being endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. More blatant official references to a deity date from long after the founding period: In God We Trust did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and under God was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954 [see Elisabeth Sifton, The Battle Over the Pledge, April 5, 2004]. In 1797 our government concluded a Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, or Barbary, now known simply as the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the treaty contains these words: As the Government of the United States...is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of Musselmen--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. This document was endorsed by Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and President John Adams. It was then sent to the Senate for ratification; the vote was unanimous. It is worth pointing out that although this was the 339th time a recorded vote had been required by the Senate, it was only the third unanimous vote in the Senate's history. There is no record of debate or dissent. The text of the treaty was printed in full in the Philadelphia Gazette and in two New York papers, but there were no screams of outrage, as one might expect today. The Founding Fathers were not religious men, and they fought hard to erect, in Thomas Jefferson's words, a wall of separation between church and state. John Adams opined that if they were not restrained by legal measures, Puritans--the fundamentalists of their day--would whip and crop, and pillory and roast. The historical epoch had afforded these men ample opportunity to observe the corruption to which established priesthoods were liable, as well as the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, as Jefferson wrote, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time. If we define a Christian as a person who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then it is safe to say that some of the key Founding Fathers were not Christians at all. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine were deists--that is, they believed in one Supreme Being but rejected revelation and all the supernatural elements of the Christian Church; the word of the Creator, they believed, could best be read in Nature. John Adams was a professed liberal Unitarian, but he, too, in his private correspondence seems more deist than Christian. George Washington and James Madison also leaned toward deism, although neither took much interest in religious matters. Madison believed that
Re: [Biofuel] BioD test batches
Who says you're not? Perhaps you're not waiting long enough? The stuff that's making your biodiesel hazy is just micro-amounts of what quickly settled out in the glyc cocktail layer. Neither hazyiness or clarity are indicators of anything more than that. Also, no need to run at the high temperature you're reacting at. One hundred and forty degrees Fahrenheit is getting close to the temp that methanol boils. On top of that, agitating the contents at increasingly higher temps in one of those bottles is going to generate a healthy amount of pressure. Chances are that nothing will happen. But then again, every once in a while someone wins the Lotto. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] BioD test batches Hi folks, I have done two 1 ltr test batches in a 2 ltr PET bottle using new safeway brand canola oil. Test batch 1 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 4.9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Shaken for about 5 mins then every 10-15 mins for the next two hours Result: good separation but the BD layer is milky Test batch 2 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Mixed in blender for 20 mins then poured back into pet bottle to settle Result: same as batch 1 only faster One of the locals thought it might be water in the oil. I tested it by heating up a sample in a sauce pan and did not get any spattering or popping. Any thoughts as to why I am not getting a clear BD layer? Thank you, Dana Boulder, CO ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction
Keith, Jeep shows that the are producing the Liberty CRD but I have yet to find a dealer in the Atlanta area that has one. Regards, Pat Thanks Pat, that's one to add. There's a hot new (?) Jaguar diesel, is that being sold in the US? If more than three list members can afford it we'll start chargig subscriptions! LOL! (Joke.) Also an Alfa diesel, and a BMW. Quite a few new(ish) diesels here, dunno if they're States-bound though: Nope. Nope. And nope. :( Sad, eh? (I mean the cars, not the subscriptions!) I'll help put together a list when I get home from work tonight if I have time. Thankyou John! Best wishes Keith jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] BioD test batches
Sorry, no attachments allowed: Virus-free -- As an essential anti-virus measure the list does not accept attachments. All attachments are automatically removed before messages are distributed to the members. It is not possible to receive a virus from the Biofuel list. - List rules The administrators received the photograph though, I've uploaded it to the section at the Journey to Forever website we keep for Biofuel list members' images: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/BDtestbatch1and2.jpg It's now 24kb rather than 460kb!!! Distributed to nearly 3,000 members, how much bandwidth would that have taken? If you don't have an image optimiser there are online rsources you can use to reduce them to a reasonable weight without losing much, if anything. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Hi folks, I have done two 1 ltr test batches in a 2 ltr PET bottle using new safeway brand canola oil. Test batch 1 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 4.9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Shaken for about 5 mins then every 10-15 mins for the next two hours Result: good separation but the BD layer is milky Test batch 2 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Mixed in blender for 20 mins then poured back into pet bottle to settle Result: same as batch 1 only faster One of the locals thought it might be water in the oil. I tested it by heating up a sample in a sauce pan and did not get any spattering or popping. Any thoughts as to why I am not getting a clear BD layer? Thank you, Dana Boulder, CO ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [Burnveggies] Biofuel Station pump is open for biz!
See below... on 2/14/05 5:34 PM, Kimber Holmes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, We are pleased to announce that the Biofuel Station's B100 fill-n-go pump is open for business! We are open Mon thru Fri, 9am - 5pm. Please stop by to say hello, and get some B100. The price is $3.50 at the pump (includes all state and federal excise taxes). I've attached a photo of our station. And a beautiful station it is, indeed! But that email took an AWFUL long time to download, for all the Luddites like me in the group that still have dialup (at home :-)). Is there someplace ELSE we might put pictures, with just a pointer in the text? -K Same message to you. Sorry, no attachments allowed: Virus-free -- As an essential anti-virus measure the list does not accept attachments. All attachments are automatically removed before messages are distributed to the members. It is not possible to receive a virus from the Biofuel list. - List rules We received the photograph though, I've uploaded it to the section at the Journey to Forever website we keep for Biofuel list members' images: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/kimberbiofuel030.jpg The ridiculous size, 1.9Mb!!! has now shrunk to a more reasonable 32kb - no Leonardo in the first place and it still isn't one, but it's nice and clear. If you don't have an image optimiser there are online rsources you can use to reduce them to a reasonable weight without losing much, if anything. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: New member introduction
Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus gasser that gets 35 mpg. 30 mpg for a very heavy, very safe/solid 4-dr sedan running on any form of Bio-diesel is one hell of a lot preferable to ANY 'gasser' @ 35 mpg. I was always impressed with the 30+ miles/gallon my 1980 300D gave me. In addition this 59 yr old life-long car-freak will state without hesitation, that the 300D was THE best car I've ever driven. The best handling, the safest, the most road-worthy by far. I'm not a reluctant or slow driver. I was warned I'd not be satisfied with the Mercedes because it would be slow. I never was!! I pushed the (#*%%*^$ out of that car and was always happy with the performance. It's a heavy, well-made diesel torgue-monster - it can take it. In addition, mine wasn't even the turbo-diesel! I'm now looking for another - the best I can find to replace my newer gas Mercedes. These babies are not only a smart buy for bio-fuel folk, but they are nothing less than the best cars on the road! (o.k. I have a bias). Also, they imported some MB diesels in the mid-late nineties. Again... great cars! Doug Smith P.S. By the way, the Mitsubishi Coup that slammed into me from behind and drove me totally through a major intersection... was destroyed all the way up to the windshield. My 300D was totally unscathed! The only sign of being hit was a few pieces of glass embedded in the hard rubber on the back bumper! Can a Focus take that? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
The process you mention is the process to make Hebel. The problem with using that process, is you need heat (ie Autoclave), and the product is reactive, so requires epoxy coated re-inforcing. The process I am interested in uses externally generated bubbles of less than 1mm diameter, mixed with (fine sand) mortar. This creates a product similar to Hebel, but with better (from my searching, anyway) water properties. (Hebel cannot be wet as it looses strength) Proper aerated concrete retains much of the strength of normal concrete. regards Doug On Tuesday 15 February 2005 8:03, Greg Harbican wrote: I don't know about using soap, but, professionals make it by mixing in aluminum chips. The aluminum reacts with the calcium hydroxide, and produces aluminum hydroxide and H2 gas. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:52 Subject: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
No problem, Caroline. I would be more likely to posr any results on the list, as there are others probably interested. Others are welcome to use the Delete key! regards Doug (I really like the group because we have such diverse interests views!) On Tuesday 15 February 2005 7:33, grahams wrote: At 02:52 PM 2/14/2005, you wrote: Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? There are many recipes for how people make/use homemade soap for dishes. I would suggest you make a batch of concrete as the directions state to get an idea how the consistency is supposed to be at each stage and then experiment substituting with homemade soap -whatever recipe you decide to use. Perhaps you will need to adjust your soap recipe (or quantities needed) to end up with a similar outcome. I would love to hear of your results, email me privately if you don't mind when you experiment. Caroline Caroline ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Test batch no. 2
Fluff at the interphase layer of water and biodiesel upon the first wash stage isn't exactly what you want to see. If the reaction has gone to completion, you have let the fuel/glyc-cocktail set overnight or perhaps 24 hours and you didn't transfer any of the glyc cocktail into your wash, the interphase layer should be a very clean separation, with but a paper-thin layer of white between water and fuel. Just exactly what did the oil titrate at before you started? Three possibilities are that either the reaction failed to complete, or it's a very degraded oil that generated a grand amount of soap and you didn't let the glyc cocktail settle out for a long enough period of time, or a combination of both. It's also possible that the oil is borderline, so degraded and high in FFAs (eventually soap) that you're always going to have problems with it. The suggestion here is to slow down and figure this one out before you move on to 100 liters. If your able, secure one or two liters of virgin veg oil. Run side-by-side samples of that and a half-dozen blends of the SVO and the feedstock you're having trouble with. (perhaps 15%, 30%, 45%, 60%, 75% and 90%) Two hundred milliliters of oil at a time will be sufficient, all of them preferably in identical jars. Pint canning jars work lovely. Use a water bath to keep the temp elevated while the contents are reacting. Shake each jar violently for perhaps 10 seconds, every five minutes, for 20 minutes. When working with such small volumes it helps to use a stock methoxide solution and dilute it as necessary for each sample using pure methanol. This is a much more accurate and quicker method than weighing out micro-amounts of catalyst for each and every sample. See http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#stockmeth Take note of everything you do. As you progress towards the samples with the high percentage of crappy oil (?) some of the characteristics you've already experienced should start popping up, providing that the problem rests with the oil and not previous operator error. When you go to washing some of each sample, pour off 50 ml of each into separate jars, making sure not to get any glyc cocktail in with the fuel. Add 50 ml of warm/tepid water. Close the lid tightly and either swirl quickly for ten seconds or just shake violently three or four times. Set the jars down, let settle and observe. What you see shuld start providing answers to some of your questions. There is one other set of tests that could help you gather a better understanding of what gives. Take a liter of fairly clean oil. Titrate it. Put 200 ml of the oil in each of five identical jars. In the center sample use the appropriate amount of methoxide that your titration dictates. In the two samples to the left use an amount of catalyst equivalent to 1/2 gram per liter of oil and 1 gram per liter of oil less than what the titration indicates. On the two samples to the right, go in the opposite direction with 1/2 and 1.0 grams more, respectively, than the titration indicates. Close the lids tightly and agitate in the same manner as the test mentioned above. Wash 50 ml samples, also in the same manner as in the test above. Observe. This side-by-side bracket titration will give you a visual understanding of what too little catalyst can do to a wash. You might find some reasonable parallels to the problems you're presently having. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lars Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Test batch no. 2 Please excuse my strange postings The original message was posted 2005-02-05 but was dated 2005-01-05 because i had messed with the settings for time and date Please read all of this unsuccessful message ! The most important parts is below I am still very interested in a comment regarding my test batch. Thank You, again Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 - Original Message - From: Lars Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: Test batch no. 2 This message was sent earlier (2005-01-05) but seems to have been lost somewhere... Now i am (almost) ready to make the first bigger batch and do not want to be a not so proud owner of 100 l. of glop.. Could anyone encourage me to move on with this oil (of course with titration and so on) or tell me not to with some hints about how to proceed..? Thank You Lars A Lars Andersson Vstanskogsgatan 7 590 71 Ljungsbro 013-66574/070-5334054 Good evening everybody and thank You for this amount of information communicated here. This is my first post here after at least six months of just reading and thinking while building a reactor from 200l drums. I made a quick page (for some reason with very poor picture quality, please
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Hit the Full Size hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the image. A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size. Or just go to View on the toolbar and hit View Fullscreen. Voila!!! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] question's
The only modification was to change about one foot of rubber fuel line with one made of nitrile. After that it was necessary to add an inline fuel filter before the stock fuel filter because the filters were clogging up with old petrol gunk. This was the only problem. I sold the car in '04 to buy an'02 VW golf TDI. The mercedes was still running fine and it still is. The new owners still come by to fill up with bio-D. I have mad over 2500 gal since dec 02., and highly recommend the mercedes 300 series. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative.I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it.Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction
Just one question - have you ever tried out a Peugeot 505? That is hands down the best car I've ever driven. I've driven a 300SD (tho not very far) and while it was nice, I still prefer my 505. It just sucks that it's so expensive to repair! I know of at least a few other car freaks who have driven just about everything out there and also choose the 505. Not that that is conclusive at all, of course! Erik On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:17:10 -0800, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 11:38 AM, jh wrote: Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus gasser that gets 35 mpg. 30 mpg for a very heavy, very safe/solid 4-dr sedan running on any form of Bio-diesel is one hell of a lot preferable to ANY 'gasser' @ 35 mpg. I was always impressed with the 30+ miles/gallon my 1980 300D gave me. In addition this 59 yr old life-long car-freak will state without hesitation, that the 300D was THE best car I've ever driven. The best handling, the safest, the most road-worthy by far. I'm not a reluctant or slow driver. I was warned I'd not be satisfied with the Mercedes because it would be slow. I never was!! I pushed the (#*%%*^$ out of that car and was always happy with the performance. It's a heavy, well-made diesel torgue-monster - it can take it. In addition, mine wasn't even the turbo-diesel! I'm now looking for another - the best I can find to replace my newer gas Mercedes. These babies are not only a smart buy for bio-fuel folk, but they are nothing less than the best cars on the road! (o.k. I have a bias). Also, they imported some MB diesels in the mid-late nineties. Again... great cars! Doug Smith P.S. By the way, the Mitsubishi Coup that slammed into me from behind and drove me totally through a major intersection... was destroyed all the way up to the windshield. My 300D was totally unscathed! The only sign of being hit was a few pieces of glass embedded in the hard rubber on the back bumper! Can a Focus take that? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Heggie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove Hello! Our ethanol stove site has new data from user's of the stove in rural areas. http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/ethstove.pdf Cheers. Anil K. Rajvanshi Anil K Rajvanshi Director Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute P.O.Box 44, Phaltan 415523 Maharashtra, India Ph: 02166-222396/220945 Fax: 02166-220945 ___ Stoves mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves %http://www.repp.org/discussiongroups/resources/stoves/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Sowing the Seeds of Dictatorship
TITLE: The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Sowing the Seeds of Dictatorship AUTHOR: Vandana Shiva PUBLICATION: Znet DATE: 14 February 2005 URL: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=56ItemID=7249 THE INDIAN SEED ACT AND PATENT ACT: SOWING THE SEEDS OF DICTATORSHIP by Vandana Shiva 14 February 2005 Since the beginning of farming, farmers have sown seeds, harvested crops, saved part of the harvest for seeds, exchanged seeds with neighbours. Every ritual in India involves seeds, the very symbol of life's renewal. In 2004 two laws have been proposed -- a seed Act and a Patent Ordinance which could forever destroy the biodiversity of our seeds and crops, and rob farmers of all freedoms, establishing a seed dictatorship. Eighty per cent of all seed in India is still saved by farmers. Farmers indigenous varieties are the basis of our ecological and food security. Coastal farmers have evolved salt resistant varieties. Bihar and Bengal farmers have evolved flood resistant varieties, farmers of Rajasthan and the semi-arid Deccan have evolved drought resistant varieties, Himalayan farmers have evolved frost resistant varieties. Pulses, millets, oilseeds, rices, wheats, vegetables provide the diverse basis of our health and nutrition security. This is the sector being targeted by the Seed Act. These seeds are indigenous farmers varieties of diverse crops -- thousands of rices, hundreds of wheats, oilseeds such as linseed, sesame, groundnut, coconut, pulses including gahat, narrangi, rajma, urad, moong, masur, tur, vegetables and fruits. The Seed Act is designed to enclose the free economy of farmers seed varieties. Once farmers seed supply is destroyed through compulsory registration by making it illegal to plant unlicensed varieties, farmers are pushed into dependency on corporate monopoly of patented seed. The Seed Act is therefore the handmaiden of the Patent Amendment Acts which have introduced patents on seed. New IPR laws are creating monopolies over seeds and plant genetic resources. Seed saving and seed exchange, basic freedoms of farmers, are being redefined. There are many examples of how Seed Acts in various countries and the introduction of IPRs prevent farmers from engaging in their own seed production. Josef Albrecht, an organic farmer in Germany, was not satisfied with the commercially available seed. He worked and developed his own ecological varieties of wheat. Ten other organic farmers from neighbouring villages took his wheat seeds. Albrecht was fined by his government because he traded in uncertified seed. He has challenged the penalty and the Seed Act because he feels restricted in freely exercising his occupation as an organic farmer by this law. In Scotland, there are a large number of farmers who grow seed potato and sell seed potato to other farmers. They could, until the early 1990s, freely sell the reproductive material to other seed potato growers, to merchants, or to farmers. In the 1990s, holders of plant breeders' rights started to issue notices to potato growers through the British Society of Plant Breeders and made selling of seed potato by farmers to other farmers illegal. Seed potato growers had to grow varieties under contract to the seed industry, which specified the price at which the contracting company would take back the crop and barred growers from selling the crop to anyone. Soon, the companies started to reduce the acreage and prices. In 1994, seed potato bought from Scottish farmers for £140 was sold for more than double that price to English farmers, whilst the two sets of farmers were prevented from dealing directly with each other. Seed potato growers signed a petition complaining about the stranglehold of a few companies acting as a 'cartel'. They also started to sell non-certified seed directly to English farmers. The seed industry claimed they were losing £4 million in seed sales through the direct sale of uncertified seed potato between farmers. In February 1995, the British Society for Plant Breeders decided to proceed with a high profile court case against a farmer from Aberdeenshire. The farmer was forced to pay £30,000 as compensation to cover royalties lost to the seed industry by direct farmer-to-farmer exchange. Existing United Kingdom and European Union laws thus prevent farmers from exchanging uncertified seed as well as protected varieties. In the US as well, farmer-to-farmer exchange has been made illegal. Dennis and Becky Winterboer were farmers owning a 500-acre farm in Iowa. Since 1987, the Winterboers have derived a sizeable portion of their income from 'brown bagging' sales of their crops to other farmers to use as seed. A 'brown bag' sale occurs when a farmer plants seeds in his own field and then
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove
Hello As fifty porcent alcohol distillation can be very easily done by fuel wood and solar energy , Anil alcohol stove is an very interesting an more important his achievements . And also very good Keith bring this work here . Surely the ethanol made in India used as food , leading to health problem ca be used very easily to solve the fuel problems of rural areas One thing I am not very clear after going through this stove design is that how is the pressure obtained in the tank .Is it done manually as that of many kerosene stove or need any other device . Can any one reply. sd Pannir Selvam On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:16:13 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:40:53 +0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Heggie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove Hello! Our ethanol stove site has new data from user's of the stove in rural areas. http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/ethstove.pdf Cheers. Anil K. Rajvanshi Anil K Rajvanshi Director Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute P.O.Box 44, Phaltan 415523 Maharashtra, India Ph: 02166-222396/220945 Fax: 02166-220945 ___ Stoves mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves %http://www.repp.org/discussiongroups/resources/stoves/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque
Hi, New to the list so I have a lot of catching up to do.. The ethanol barbeque that I am working on uses wate from restaurants to make the mash ie potato peelings and apple peelings . The still is a used eletric hot water heater with two elements one on the bottom and one on the top should make control of the temperature a snap. Still waiting for exise Canada to give me a permit. to try it. At the last go they said they will require a $5000.00 bond before I am able to try it. The barbeque itself will be modified. I plan to take the tank apart and put a pipe in it so that the alchol is drawn off from the bottom. I will put an air valve in the top and use an existing compressor or a 12 volt air compressor set to maintain at 5-15 lbs in the tank. Exise Canada said they will get back to me at the end of February. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:38:52 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] The Founding Fathers were not religious men, This bit is absolutely false. What our founding fathers were were religious men who knew the importance of not letting sectarian predilicition intefere with the rights they were espousing and the government they were establishing. They were giving the people the right to choose their religion or to choose to not have any religion, a purely private decision. Unfortunately the modern state has instituted radical and mindless patriotism as the state religion. A sad situation. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
I don't think you'd find it as false a claim as you might think if you apply the generally accepted, contemporary, rough translation of religion and religious to the matter. Even if you strictly applied the definitions found in Websters, you would quickly see that they don't stick very well to those who don't adhere to the extremes of worship and systemized ritual. Their beliefs were by-and-large all encompassing, incorporating fundamental tenants found in almost all religions, not specifically the tenants and doctrines of any one religion. When you combine their almost unanimous acknowledgements of diety with their discord for organized religion, its constructs and decripitudes, you would probably come up with a more precise akin to 'The founding fathers were deists, not men of religion,' which the author does go to great lengths to verify. All in all his statement is to a very large degree correct. And, as you may have noticed, it certainly gets the dander up for some, eh? :-) Quite the nicely written and well thought out piece of work - far more accurate than the habitual abuse of historic fact for the purpose of idealogical gain being rendered by the self-appointed elitists of the day. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:38:52 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] The Founding Fathers were not religious men, This bit is absolutely false. What our founding fathers were were religious men who knew the importance of not letting sectarian predilicition intefere with the rights they were espousing and the government they were establishing. They were giving the people the right to choose their religion or to choose to not have any religion, a purely private decision. Unfortunately the modern state has instituted radical and mindless patriotism as the state religion. A sad situation. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Hello Gustl, I agree with this, This bit is absolutely false. The Founding Fathers were not religious men, However, I am sure that you know a hook when you see one. Reading through this article, one becomes aware that, while it meanders through more distant, and sometimes obscure historic details, it's focal point, and yours, are basically the same, the absolute necessity for the separation of church and state. Personally, I see another separation even higher on the nation's priority list at the present time, that of Bush and state. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:38:52 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] The Founding Fathers were not religious men, This bit is absolutely false. What our founding fathers were were religious men who knew the importance of not letting sectarian predilicition intefere with the rights they were espousing and the government they were establishing. They were giving the people the right to choose their religion or to choose to not have any religion, a purely private decision. Unfortunately the modern state has instituted radical and mindless patriotism as the state religion. A sad situation. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Sowing the Seeds of Dictatorship
Dear Keith - Excellent article and have not posted awhile because of my new job. I will read and re-read this article. I hope our lawmakers take time to really study the issues. I studied Plants and Plant Genetics and Plant Taxonomy (Dendrology) as undergraduate. The issue of seeds and hybrid vigor was a great discussion in the early days (1970s). Things have changes so much since that time. Best Regards, Phillip Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BIO-IPR docserver | http://www.grain.org/bio-ipr TITLE: The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Sowing the Seeds of Dictatorship AUTHOR: Vandana Shiva PUBLICATION: Znet DATE: 14 February 2005 URL: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=56ItemID=7249 THE INDIAN SEED ACT AND PATENT ACT: SOWING THE SEEDS OF DICTATORSHIP by Vandana Shiva 14 February 2005 Since the beginning of farming, farmers have sown seeds, harvested crops, saved part of the harvest for seeds, exchanged seeds with neighbours. Every ritual in India involves seeds, the very symbol of life's renewal. In 2004 two laws have been proposed -- a seed Act and a Patent Ordinance which could forever destroy the biodiversity of our seeds and crops, and rob farmers of all freedoms, establishing a seed dictatorship. Eighty per cent of all seed in India is still saved by farmers. Farmers indigenous varieties are the basis of our ecological and food security. Coastal farmers have evolved salt resistant varieties. Bihar and Bengal farmers have evolved flood resistant varieties, farmers of Rajasthan and the semi-arid Deccan have evolved drought resistant varieties, Himalayan farmers have evolved frost resistant varieties. Pulses, millets, oilseeds, rices, wheats, vegetables provide the diverse basis of our health and nutrition security. This is the sector being targeted by the Seed Act. These seeds are indigenous farmers varieties of diverse crops -- thousands of rices, hundreds of wheats, oilseeds such as linseed, sesame, groundnut, coconut, pulses including gahat, narrangi, rajma, urad, moong, masur, tur, vegetables and fruits. The Seed Act is designed to enclose the free economy of farmers seed varieties. Once farmers seed supply is destroyed through compulsory registration by making it illegal to plant unlicensed varieties, farmers are pushed into dependency on corporate monopoly of patented seed. The Seed Act is therefore the handmaiden of the Patent Amendment Acts which have introduced patents on seed. New IPR laws are creating monopolies over seeds and plant genetic resources. Seed saving and seed exchange, basic freedoms of farmers, are being redefined. There are many examples of how Seed Acts in various countries and the introduction of IPRs prevent farmers from engaging in their own seed production. Josef Albrecht, an organic farmer in Germany, was not satisfied with the commercially available seed. He worked and developed his own ecological varieties of wheat. Ten other organic farmers from neighbouring villages took his wheat seeds. Albrecht was fined by his government because he traded in uncertified seed. He has challenged the penalty and the Seed Act because he feels restricted in freely exercising his occupation as an organic farmer by this law. In Scotland, there are a large number of farmers who grow seed potato and sell seed potato to other farmers. They could, until the early 1990s, freely sell the reproductive material to other seed potato growers, to merchants, or to farmers. In the 1990s, holders of plant breeders' rights started to issue notices to potato growers through the British Society of Plant Breeders and made selling of seed potato by farmers to other farmers illegal. Seed potato growers had to grow varieties under contract to the seed industry, which specified the price at which the contracting company would take back the crop and barred growers from selling the crop to anyone. Soon, the companies started to reduce the acreage and prices. In 1994, seed potato bought from Scottish farmers for £140 was sold for more than double that price to English farmers, whilst the two sets of farmers were prevented from dealing directly with each other. Seed potato growers signed a petition complaining about the stranglehold of a few companies acting as a 'cartel'. They also started to sell non-certified seed directly to English farmers. The seed industry claimed they were losing £4 million in seed sales through the direct sale of uncertified seed potato between farmers. In February 1995, the British Society for Plant Breeders decided to proceed with a high profile court case against a farmer from Aberdeenshire.
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Perlites and found with the Borates and all part of the volcanic geological evolution. We have a lot of Perlites in our Sierra Nevadas in California. Same with borates (borax). Borates, perlites, colemanites, - all that stuff can be found anywhere you have an escarpment of raised mountains due to ancient volcanic magma scarns and earthquake activity especially next to an arid desert bowl. What is Perlite? http://www.perlite.info/hbk/0034409.htm Perlite is not a trade name but a generic term for naturally occurring siliceous volcanic rock. The distinguishing feature which sets perlite apart from other volcanic glasses is that when heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion process is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600 F (870 C) the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles in the softened glassy particles. It is these tiny glass-sealed bubbles which account for the amazing lightweight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. The expansion process also creates one of perlite's most distinguishing characteristics: its white color. While the crude perlite rock may range from transparent to light gray to glossy black, the color of expanded perlite ranges from snowy white to grayish white. Expanded perlite can be manufactured to weigh from 2 lbs/ft3 (32 kg/m3) to 15 lb/ft3 (240 kg/m3) making it adaptable for numerous uses, including filtration, horticultural applications, insulation, inert carriers and a multitude of filler applications. --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Try googling the following: Constitution Restoration Act which was introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress one year ago this month. Dominionism Christian Reconstructionism It all sounds way too incredible, but the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 caught my attention. I don't think we can casually dismiss these folks as a minor fruitcake fringe anymore. Demian Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [1]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.knoton.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Has anyone else ever seen a copy of the Six Nations Constitution? There weren't many other democracies at hand in the mid 1700's, and apparently this quite venerable Native document was very useful. It gives a context to the Godless document. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:38:52 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen It is hard to believe that George Bush has ever read the works of George Orwell, but he seems, somehow, to have grasped a few Orwellian precepts. The lesson the President has learned best--and certainly the one that has been the most useful to him--is the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration's current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent. Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of God. The omission was too obvious to have been anything but deliberate, in spite of Alexander Hamilton's flippant responses when asked about it: According to one account, he said that the new nation was not in need of foreign aid; according to another, he simply said we forgot. But as Hamilton's biographer Ron Chernow points out, Hamilton never forgot anything important. In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist, God is mentioned only twice (both times by Madison, who uses the word, as Gore Vidal has remarked, in the only Heaven knows sense). In the Declaration of Independence, He gets two brief nods: a reference to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the famous line about men being endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. More blatant official references to a deity date from long after the founding period: In God We Trust did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and under God was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954 [see Elisabeth Sifton, The Battle Over the Pledge, April 5, 2004]. In 1797 our government concluded a Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, or Barbary, now known simply as the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the treaty contains these words: As the Government of the United States...is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of Musselmen--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. This document was endorsed by Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and President John Adams. It was then sent to the Senate for ratification; the vote was unanimous. It is worth pointing out that although this was the 339th time a recorded vote had been required by the Senate, it was only the third unanimous vote in the Senate's history. There is no record of debate or dissent. The text of the treaty was printed in full in the Philadelphia Gazette and in two New York papers, but there were no screams of outrage, as one might expect today. The Founding Fathers were not religious men, and they fought hard to erect, in Thomas Jefferson's words, a wall of separation between church and state. John Adams opined that if they were not restrained by legal measures, Puritans--the fundamentalists of their day--would whip and crop, and pillory and roast. The historical epoch had afforded these men ample opportunity to observe the corruption to which established priesthoods were liable, as well as the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, as Jefferson wrote, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time. If we define a Christian as a person who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then it is safe to say that some of the key Founding Fathers were not Christians at all. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine were deists--that is, they believed in one Supreme Being but rejected revelation and all the supernatural elements of the Christian Church; the word of the Creator, they believed, could best be read in Nature. John Adams was a
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Guag - One of my favoite borates is called Ulexite. Ulexite is called a natural fiber optic by scientists and TV rock by children. It exists in oxidized form as a rock but you can see throught the rock because it allows light to pass through its crystalline structure - thus transmistting the light. Take a look: http://www.gc.maricopa.edu/earthsci/imagearchive/ulexite.htm The natural world is a great. Phillip Wolfe --- Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perlites and found with the Borates and all part of the volcanic geological evolution. We have a lot of Perlites in our Sierra Nevadas in California. Same with borates (borax). Borates, perlites, colemanites, - all that stuff can be found anywhere you have an escarpment of raised mountains due to ancient volcanic magma scarns and earthquake activity especially next to an arid desert bowl. What is Perlite? http://www.perlite.info/hbk/0034409.htm Perlite is not a trade name but a generic term for naturally occurring siliceous volcanic rock. The distinguishing feature which sets perlite apart from other volcanic glasses is that when heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion process is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600 F (870 C) the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles in the softened glassy particles. It is these tiny glass-sealed bubbles which account for the amazing lightweight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. The expansion process also creates one of perlite's most distinguishing characteristics: its white color. While the crude perlite rock may range from transparent to light gray to glossy black, the color of expanded perlite ranges from snowy white to grayish white. Expanded perlite can be manufactured to weigh from 2 lbs/ft3 (32 kg/m3) to 15 lb/ft3 (240 kg/m3) making it adaptable for numerous uses, including filtration, horticultural applications, insulation, inert carriers and a multitude of filler applications. --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Knoton, Try googling the following: Constitution Restoration Act which was introduced in both houses of the U.S. Congress one year ago this month. I found the text of this act and some things about it. Am I right in thinking that they are trying to make god's law part of our constitutional law? -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act:
Phil and Keith, Dear Keith - Excellent article and have not posted awhile because of my new job. I will read and re-read this article. I hope our lawmakers take time to really study the issues. I studied Plants and Plant Genetics and Plant Taxonomy (Dendrology) as undergraduate. The issue of seeds and hybrid vigor was a great discussion in the early days (1970s). Things have changes so much since that time. My very pesimistic outlook on legislation like this is that the legislators are in the pockets of industry which seeks to patent and license just about everything. This is very evident in the field of computers and software. Putting this together with GM research (not the least of which is the Terminator) it follows that industry seeks to control every facit of every industry. Its the ultimate form of capitalism and extortion (synonyms?). -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] BioD test batches
Dana, 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 4.9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Shaken for about 5 mins then every 10-15 mins for the next two hours Result: good separation but the BD layer is milky Test batch 2 1 ltr new safeway brand canola oil in 2 ltr PET bottle 9g KOH in 200ml methanol Heated in water bath to about 140F Mixed in blender for 20 mins then poured back into pet bottle to settle Result: same as batch 1 only faster I will cross reference your methoxide mix with my numbers as I have undertaken the same experiments comparing different processes (batch, two stage, acid base). However, from my experiences, my biod is cloudy after 1 hour of stiring but will settle out rather well over night (12+ hours). Furthermore, after seperation I let it settle another day (I get some more glyc on the bottom of the glass flask). By this time its quite clear. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
thanks again. My stepdoughter came in my asistance and said the same magic words, kids are very good in this business. Tks. Francisco - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, Hit the Full Size hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the image. A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size. Or just go to View on the toolbar and hit View Fullscreen. Voila!!! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove
As fifty porcent alcohol distillation can be very easily done by fuel wood and solar energy , Anil alcohol stove is an very interesting an more important his achievements . And also very good Keith bring this work here . Surely the ethanol made in India used as food , leading to health problem ca be used very easily to solve the fuel problems of rural areas One thing I am not very clear after going through this stove design is that how is the pressure obtained in the tank .Is it done manually as that of many kerosene stove or need any other device . Can any one reply. sd Pannir Selvam Why don't you ask him, Pan? I'm sure he'd like to hear from you in Brazil. Here's a previous message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41084/ Fwd: [Stoves] Forwrding enthanol stove Email: Anil K. Rajvanshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net http://www.nariphaltan.org But I'm sure you're right, it's a manual pressure pump like you get on the kerosene pressure stoves (roarers) - it looks like exactly the same pump, as well as the fller cap and pressure release that' on our kero roarer from India (which we use with biodiesel), and that would make sense, to utilise existing technology that everyone is already familiar with. The pressure regulator and flame regulating valve are new to me though. Best wishes Keith On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:16:13 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:40:53 +0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Heggie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Stoves] Re: New data on ethanol stove Hello! Our ethanol stove site has new data from user's of the stove in rural areas. http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/ethstove.pdf Cheers. Anil K. Rajvanshi Anil K Rajvanshi Director Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute P.O.Box 44, Phaltan 415523 Maharashtra, India Ph: 02166-222396/220945 Fax: 02166-220945 ___ Stoves mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves %http://www.repp.org/discussiongroups/resources/stoves/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Perlite is made from a siliceous volcanic rock for horticultural use and also for insulation. When heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600¡F (871¡C), the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles which account for the amazing light weight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. So it's very similar to rice husk ash, which, when properly prepared, consists mainly of myriad tiny glass bubbles. A major difference is that Perlite is a product, rice husk is one of the world's most underutilised waste materials. Perlite is very fragile and makes an unpleasant dust. Wear a breathing mask. Reject perlite of a suitable grade can often be obtained free of charge (or at low cost) from the manufacturers. Best wishes Keith Perlites and found with the Borates and all part of the volcanic geological evolution. We have a lot of Perlites in our Sierra Nevadas in California. Same with borates (borax). Borates, perlites, colemanites, - all that stuff can be found anywhere you have an escarpment of raised mountains due to ancient volcanic magma scarns and earthquake activity especially next to an arid desert bowl. What is Perlite? http://www.perlite.info/hbk/0034409.htm Perlite is not a trade name but a generic term for naturally occurring siliceous volcanic rock. The distinguishing feature which sets perlite apart from other volcanic glasses is that when heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion process is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600 F (870 C) the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles in the softened glassy particles. It is these tiny glass-sealed bubbles which account for the amazing lightweight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. The expansion process also creates one of perlite's most distinguishing characteristics: its white color. While the crude perlite rock may range from transparent to light gray to glossy black, the color of expanded perlite ranges from snowy white to grayish white. Expanded perlite can be manufactured to weigh from 2 lbs/ft3 (32 kg/m3) to 15 lb/ft3 (240 kg/m3) making it adaptable for numerous uses, including filtration, horticultural applications, insulation, inert carriers and a multitude of filler applications. --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein
[Biofuel] The Secret History of Lead
The Secret History of Lead March 20, 2000 SPECIAL REPORT by JAMIE LINCOLN KITMAN PDF: http://www.globalleadnet.org/pdf/TheSecretHistoryofLead.pdf Fuels and Society A. How Fuels were Developed for the Automobile http://chemcases.com/fuels/index.htm#The Chemistry B. How We Allowed Toxic Lead to Fluorish in the Worldwide Gasoline Supply for Sixty Years http://chemcases.com/tel/index.htm C. Gasoline Today - The Changes that Affect Cost and Supply http://chemcases.com/converter/index.htm http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Essays/Biofuel/fuel.shtml Henry Ford, Charles Kettering and The Fuel Of The Future ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options
Word to the wise; when you start burning B100 in your benz be aware that there is a screen sediment filter *inside* the tank that will gum up with the loosening crud from the dino. It looks like this: http://oem.overnightautoparts.com/parts/overnightautoparts/viewImage.jsp?image=img.overnightautoparts.com/live/E101087062MEY.JPG IMO it would be a good idea to strip the screening from the one you have and install an exterior in-line fliter at the tank's outlet. That way when it does gum up (and it will) you only have to spen a couple minutes on yor back to change it instead of having the car towed and the tank emptied out. This may occur a couple times. It cost me a bundle to learn this one. As for slowness in a Benz turbo of the 300 class, you have a thingy called the Alda that can be tweaked. How to tweak: http://users.vnet.net/w123d/w123d/adla.htm Benz's of that age bracket are particularly fond of biodiesel, mine sure is and I have a 1983 240D 4 speed manual (no Alda to tweak unfortunately) which *might* win a race with a little old lady in a wheel chair, but we enjoy it, class act. If the wagon is available for $3,000.00 and is in good shape jump on it. You could do a lot worse. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options Add to the '81-'85 Mercedes list: the wagon, the 300TD. '85 was the last year for the 5 cyl all cast iron motor. I searching for one to buy for my personal biodiesel project, I ran across a very nice well-maintained one in Allentown, PA. It is still for sale $3000. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. I just bought one locally and will keep the list updated as I move from test batches to the real thing. And no, they aren't slow. If it is slow it is not working properly. As much pick-up as a gas Volvo 240. OK, a little slow. Chris Kueny ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
the other night having a good look through it. Simple and efficient. maybe I could make some ethanol (vodka) for tinctures :-) or a fuel additive, hehe. Luc - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rice Husks, Was Perlite, was Soap aerated concrete
Keith, Thanks for the info on rice husks as one of the world's most under-utilized waste materials. I imagine the Rice Cooperative in California knows a lot about rice husks. I plan to read more about rice husks. All new to methanks again. Phillip Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Phillip, Peter Perlite is made from a siliceous volcanic rock for horticultural use and also for insulation. When heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600°F (871°C), the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles which account for the amazing light weight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. So it's very similar to rice husk ash, which, when properly prepared, consists mainly of myriad tiny glass bubbles. A major difference is that Perlite is a product, rice husk is one of the world's most underutilised waste materials. Perlite is very fragile and makes an unpleasant dust. Wear a breathing mask. Reject perlite of a suitable grade can often be obtained free of charge (or at low cost) from the manufacturers. Best wishes Keith Perlites and found with the Borates and all part of the volcanic geological evolution. We have a lot of Perlites in our Sierra Nevadas in California. Same with borates (borax). Borates, perlites, colemanites, - all that stuff can be found anywhere you have an escarpment of raised mountains due to ancient volcanic magma scarns and earthquake activity especially next to an arid desert bowl. What is Perlite? http://www.perlite.info/hbk/0034409.htm Perlite is not a trade name but a generic term for naturally occurring siliceous volcanic rock. The distinguishing feature which sets perlite apart from other volcanic glasses is that when heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion process is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600 F (870 C) the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles in the softened glassy particles. It is these tiny glass-sealed bubbles which account for the amazing lightweight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. The expansion process also creates one of perlite's most distinguishing characteristics: its white color. While the crude perlite rock may range from transparent to light gray to glossy black, the color of expanded perlite ranges from snowy white to grayish white. Expanded perlite can be manufactured to weigh from 2 lbs/ft3 (32 kg/m3) to 15 lb/ft3 (240 kg/m3) making it adaptable for numerous uses, including filtration, horticultural applications, insulation, inert carriers and a multitude of filler applications. --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did,
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not X anything thank you very much. Either learn some respect or please keep your crap to yourself. You don't have to agree, but you don't get to denigrate either. Someone had a whack at sacred cows a while back, you should have learned from that. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas
Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas As many as 27 state legislatures will consider biodiesel initiatives this year, predicts National Biodiesel Board analyst Scott Hughes in a story on Illinois Ag Connection. In 2004, 27 biodiesel-related laws were passed from 130 biodiesel proposals introduced. In 2005, 45 pieces of legislation have already been introduced in a total of 18 states. The state initiatives join federal efforts to promote biofuels use. URL: http://www.illinoisagconnection.com/story-state.cfm?Id=80 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=7uzwu7aab.0.pymlu7aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.illinoisagconnection.com%2Fstory-state.cfm%3FId%3D80%26yr%3D2005 yr=2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rice Husks, email wWas Perlite, was Soap aerated concrete
Keith: I checked the California Rice Commission website http://www.calrice.org/a5_ricestraw.htm and only found an arctile on rice straw. Looks like rice straw also in need of alternative uses cause they used to burn it but affected air quality. I will do more search on rice husks. thanks Phillip Wolfe Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, Thanks for the info on rice husks as one of the world's most under-utilized waste materials. I imagine the Rice Cooperative in California knows a lot about rice husks. I plan to read more about rice husks. All new to methanks again. Phillip Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Phillip, Peter Perlite is made from a siliceous volcanic rock for horticultural use and also for insulation. When heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600°F (871°C), the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles which account for the amazing light weight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. So it's very similar to rice husk ash, which, when properly prepared, consists mainly of myriad tiny glass bubbles. A major difference is that Perlite is a product, rice husk is one of the world's most underutilised waste materials. Perlite is very fragile and makes an unpleasant dust. Wear a breathing mask. Reject perlite of a suitable grade can often be obtained free of charge (or at low cost) from the manufacturers. Best wishes Keith Perlites and found with the Borates and all part of the volcanic geological evolution. We have a lot of Perlites in our Sierra Nevadas in California. Same with borates (borax). Borates, perlites, colemanites, - all that stuff can be found anywhere you have an escarpment of raised mountains due to ancient volcanic magma scarns and earthquake activity especially next to an arid desert bowl. What is Perlite? http://www.perlite.info/hbk/0034409.htm Perlite is not a trade name but a generic term for naturally occurring siliceous volcanic rock. The distinguishing feature which sets perlite apart from other volcanic glasses is that when heated to a suitable point in its softening range, it expands from four to twenty times its original volume. This expansion process is due to the presence of two to six percent combined water in the crude perlite rock. When quickly heated to above 1600 F (870 C) the crude rock pops in a manner similar to popcorn as the combined water vaporizes and creates countless tiny bubbles in the softened glassy particles. It is these tiny glass-sealed bubbles which account for the amazing lightweight and other exceptional physical properties of expanded perlite. The expansion process also creates one of perlite's most distinguishing characteristics: its white color. While the crude perlite rock may range from transparent to light gray to glossy black, the color of expanded perlite ranges from snowy white to grayish white. Expanded perlite can be manufactured to weigh from 2 lbs/ft3 (32 kg/m3) to 15 lb/ft3 (240 kg/m3) making it adaptable for numerous uses, including filtration, horticultural applications, insulation, inert carriers and a multitude of filler applications. --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Could I ask a stupid question? What is Perlite? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Hi Keith et al, I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 20 different ways in tests. Regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look === message
Re: [Biofuel] question's
You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) Just is jest. Good car, by the way. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? You need to do nothing to it, it will love the B100 as is, however there are things you need to be aware of concerning the filters ect. I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. Nothing. The only converting that could be done is if you wanted to run SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) or WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) directly in it, but biodiesel is fully compatible to any percentage with your car. You *might* experience some rubber hose failure, although this is not a guarentee. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative. We're working on it :-) I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it. The beginning: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Luc Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction
Those of us who have a weathered Benz wouldn't think of going any other way. It must be one of those things. Luc - Original Message - From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 11:38 AM, jh wrote: Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus gasser that gets 35 mpg. 30 mpg for a very heavy, very safe/solid 4-dr sedan running on any form of Bio-diesel is one hell of a lot preferable to ANY 'gasser' @ 35 mpg. I was always impressed with the 30+ miles/gallon my 1980 300D gave me. In addition this 59 yr old life-long car-freak will state without hesitation, that the 300D was THE best car I've ever driven. The best handling, the safest, the most road-worthy by far. I'm not a reluctant or slow driver. I was warned I'd not be satisfied with the Mercedes because it would be slow. I never was!! I pushed the (#*%%*^$ out of that car and was always happy with the performance. It's a heavy, well-made diesel torgue-monster - it can take it. In addition, mine wasn't even the turbo-diesel! I'm now looking for another - the best I can find to replace my newer gas Mercedes. These babies are not only a smart buy for bio-fuel folk, but they are nothing less than the best cars on the road! (o.k. I have a bias). Also, they imported some MB diesels in the mid-late nineties. Again... great cars! Doug Smith P.S. By the way, the Mitsubishi Coup that slammed into me from behind and drove me totally through a major intersection... was destroyed all the way up to the windshield. My 300D was totally unscathed! The only sign of being hit was a few pieces of glass embedded in the hard rubber on the back bumper! Can a Focus take that? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
G'day Ken; Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not X anything thank you very much. Either learn some respect or please keep your crap to yourself. You don't have to agree, but you don't get to denigrate either. Someone had a whack at sacred cows a while back, you should have learned from that. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque
An ethanol BBQ ? You do know what you are doing right ? This is not a gas gas, it is a liquid gas, like gasoline, and in fact can be substituted for gasoline in many applications. Wanna know how to build a still? http://www.moonshine-still.com/ How to, step by step. The legalisms are your responsibility. CCRA eh ? Hope it goes well for you. $5,000.00 eh? Ouch ! Luc PS; Beautiful puppies. Mine was a blend of Golden with Rottweiler.He is missed. - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque Hi, New to the list so I have a lot of catching up to do.. The ethanol barbeque that I am working on uses wate from restaurants to make the mash ie potato peelings and apple peelings . The still is a used eletric hot water heater with two elements one on the bottom and one on the top should make control of the temperature a snap. Still waiting for exise Canada to give me a permit. to try it. At the last go they said they will require a $5000.00 bond before I am able to try it. The barbeque itself will be modified. I plan to take the tank apart and put a pipe in it so that the alchol is drawn off from the bottom. I will put an air valve in the top and use an existing compressor or a 12 volt air compressor set to maintain at 5-15 lbs in the tank. Exise Canada said they will get back to me at the end of February. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act:
Luc - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Phil and Keith, Dear Keith - Excellent article and have not posted awhile because of my new job. I will read and re-read this article. I hope our lawmakers take time to really study the issues. I studied Plants and Plant Genetics and Plant Taxonomy (Dendrology) as undergraduate. The issue of seeds and hybrid vigor was a great discussion in the early days (1970s). Things have changes so much since that time. My very pesimistic outlook on legislation like this is that the legislators are in the pockets of industry which seeks to patent and license just about everything. This is very evident in the field of computers and software. Putting this together with GM research (not the least of which is the Terminator) it follows that industry seeks to control every facit of every industry. Its the ultimate form of capitalism and extortion (synonyms?). -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas
Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas As many as 27 state legislatures will consider biodiesel initiatives this year, predicts National Biodiesel Board analyst Scott Hughes in a story on Illinois Ag Connection. In 2004, 27 biodiesel-related laws were passed from 130 biodiesel proposals introduced. In 2005, 45 pieces of legislation have already been introduced in a total of 18 states. The state initiatives join federal efforts to promote biofuels use. URL: http://www.illinoisagconnection.com/story-state.cfm?Id=80 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=7uzwu7aab.0.pymlu7aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.illinoisagconnection.com%2Fstory-state.cfm%3FId%3D80%26yr%3D2005 yr=2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Luc, Sorry but my earlier reply was sent by itself and without following comment. You are right, but I think that many Christians also should learn respect or please keep their crap for them self. It is numerous times that I met representatives for the Christian religion, that in an abusive way promote their religion and demand respect for it, without them self having any respect for what others belive in. This I say, even because my denomination would officially and by birth be Christian protestant. I am sorry, but I fail to see in what way Ken did not show respect, he declared what be belive and did a general comment about religious variant in general. In mathematics X stand for unknown denomination and I think that in this case it was meant as such. Why are you so upset by not being especially mentioned, was it the lack of attention to your specific case? Hakan X-tian or whatever. At 11:07 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote: G'day Ken; Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not X anything thank you very much. Either learn some respect or please keep your crap to yourself. You don't have to agree, but you don't get to denigrate either. Someone had a whack at sacred cows a while back, you should have learned from that. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
I find your response rather amusing but all too much a double standard.. First of all, if the archives are any indicator, you spend a great deal of time bashing your favorite sects du jour. Second of all, Ken Provost didn't bash christians. He did make note of the type of christians who choose to misappropriate the power of public office in pursuit of enforcing their theological ideology upon others. From this vantage point it is an apology owed by you for jumping to sweeping conclusions. How you came to them one can only hazard to guess, probably with a fair degree of accuracy. You expect or demand respect but don't exactly reciprocate. Should others presume that this too is a tenant of your religion of choice? What? A person is allowed to have their opinioin but they aren't allowed to express it? What is it about such a double standard that sounds oh so Bushwellian? You can hold your opinion, express it, but others are to be denegrated for their opinion and expected to remain silent? If such truly is the case, then someone should take a moment to point out your extreme form of hypocrisy. Why this should even have to be said is beyond me...almost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution G'day Ken; Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not X anything thank you very much. Either learn some respect or please keep your crap to yourself. You don't have to agree, but you don't get to denigrate either. Someone had a whack at sacred cows a while back, you should have learned from that. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
