date:20051114


H.  Not that I have ever had any love for the GOP, but even to me
it seems like they picked a cynical title for the article.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7639.shtml

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[Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?

2005-11-14 Thread Ken Provost



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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy



 The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor
 population seem to attest to that.


We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a
while) after Katrina.  The rampant social inequity that all of the
developed countries have typically done a rather good job of keeping
under the rug came out.  And this past week it came out from under the
rug in France too.

Zeke


On 11/13/05, Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doug,

 Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only
 substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on
 foreign markets.

 Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only
 one company remains standing in the world. But with all the hidden mergers
 and such, its probably closer than we think.

 Kenji Fuse


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Re: [Biofuel] Keith's soap - Re: Question from a beginner


I can cover far more skin with saponified biodiesel by-product.  With
commercial shampoo I get about 35 square inches per ounce, with SBBP
it's closer to 55.

Thankyou! Nothing like a bit of good science to cheer a person up 
first thing in the morning. :-)

Not very metric though, hm, square inches per ounce, that's so five 
minutes ago, that skin you're talking about must be all wrinkled up 
by now. Anyway never mind it didn't spoil my coffee, just as well 
'cos I finished the last pint of milk. D'you think we can find a 
better brand-name than SBBP? SBBP's a little hard to shape a 
compelling jingle round, it needs something bright and snappy that 
lodges in the brain like a prion (thankyou Misha).

Keith


Keith Addison wrote:

 Not to mention I find I get better mileage with saponified biodiesel
 by-product
 
 
 
 Sorry Mike, you'll have to be a bit more specific than that, are you
 talking about mileage gained while you're in the driver's seat or the
 back seat?
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 And have you seen the prices on shampoo? I mean, who can afford it?
 
 
 Keith Addison wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Ken
 
 
 
 
 
 I take offense to that.  I use soap too.  Just not very often.
 
 
 
 
 You do? You could go cold turkey on the soap. I went through the
 bi-monthly ordeal a few weeks ago (aarghh!) and I didn't use any
 soap. I used saponified biodiesel by-product instead, liquid cleaner,
 it cleans like all hell but it's VERY mild on the skin. Nice shower,
 not bad at all. But I wouldn't call it soap. Not quite sure what to
 call it.
 
 You have to get the lye quantity right, the online recipes I've seen
 are too vague and it doesn't work that way with acid-base anyway, but
 when you do get it right it's great stuff. The, uh, Joe Street Honda
 Civic backseat factor might need a little attention for toiletries
 applications. (Don't watch this space.)
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 11/11/05, Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 might be nice for the ladies
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 On 11/11/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Hey, he just make some nice coconut soap it sounds like...
 
 On 11/11/05, Joe Street  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 ROFLMAO.  This is a joke right?  Please?
 OK throw out whatever 'instuctions' you had and follow these
 instructions instead:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodnew
 
 
 
 snip


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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy


Hello Kenji

Doug,

The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor
population seem to attest to that.

Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only
substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on
foreign markets.

Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only
one company remains standing in the world.

The 'final corporate solution' might be more akin to the world of 
The Matrix or Terminator (and long explored in SF). It's the 
logical outcome, it makes the best sense for the bottom-line. See eg:
http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous5.html#creed
Feel No Remorse -- The Corporate Creed

This is worth a read:

 This publication by ETC with the Dag Hammarskjold Foundation, on the
 technological challenges of the 21st Century, sets the scene well.
 It's very good, covers GE, nanotech and more:
 ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate
 Concentration in the 21st Century
 http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159

Best

Keith


But with all the hidden mergers
and such, its probably closer than we think.

Kenji Fuse

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Doug Foskey wrote:

  Hakan,
   I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches
  (economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long.
  History shows that equilibrium will be restored eventually.
 
  regards Doug
 
  On Sunday 13 November 2005 7:28, Hakan Falk wrote:
   Ken,
  
   The spot markets are in Belgium and Netherlands. For oil in
   Belgium and they trade in $.
  
   Last one who seriously tried with oil in Euro, was Saddam H.
   and Iraq was invaded. LOL Do not worry, it will come anyway.
  
   Jeans are not made in US and to boycott corporations, who
   in most cases are without a real home nation, is of no real
   benefit. Even if they have HQ outside US and their products
   made made and sold outside US, they are US based if 20%
   of their business are made in US. It is an US law who says
   that any company with its business 20% or more in US, must
   be consolidating their business in US and that makes them
   American on paper. Very few of US multinational are in a
   real sense American. To avoid this, is complicated, i.e.
   Shell who is two independent companies, one for US and
   one for the rest of the world.
  
   I don not see what real action that you suggest to boycott,
   that is American other than only the images? The Euro is
   gradually making large inroads anyway, despite forceful
   resistance from US.
  
   Hakan
  
   At 02:27 13/11/2005, you wrote:
   On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote:
 I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand
 against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of
 trust that US is going through now, will take a very long
 time to repair.
   
   Excellent. Glad to hear it!  So I assume this means that
   Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will
   desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying
   our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will
   shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated
   in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost
   gotten them invaded).
   
   In other words, with all due respect, please put your money
   where your mouth is, ie,  until those in the world with higher
   standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic
   institutions, they can't  really be serious about supporting
   some alternative, can they?
   
   -K


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Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA


Yup.  Know what's funny.  The republicans are doing a far better job
of destroying themselves in the past few weeks than the democrats have
ever managed to do, and the democrats are STILL having a hard time
positioning themselves as the winners in the whole thing.

Remember when we (americans) were making jokes about the corruption in
Italy's government...  Well, what do you think WE look like?

On 11/13/05, ABC aquaculture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Scary stuff,

  O dear we are in the shit  !



  


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 bmolloy
  Sent: Monday, 14 November 2005 12:30 PM
  To: Biofuel
  Subject: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA








 Hi All,


 Anyone with some inside knowledge, is this just an urban legend?


 Regards,


 Bob.

 http://nightweed.com/printableusavotefacts.html



 20 Amazing Facts About
  Voting in the USA


  by Angry Girl

 Nightweed.com



 Did you know

 1.  80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:  Diebold
 and ESS.

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



 2.  There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the
 U.S. voting machine industry.

 http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



 3.  The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ESS are brothers.

 http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



 4.  The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and
 donor who wrote in 2003 that he was committed to helping Ohio deliver its
 electoral votes to the president next year.

 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

 http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



 5.  Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ESS.  He became
 Senator based on votes counted by ESS machines.

 http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html



 6.  Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was
 recently caught lying about his ownership of ESS by the Senate Ethics
 Committee.

 http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=26

 http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

 http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



 7.  Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
 vice-presidential candidates.

 http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

 http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html



 8.  ESS is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts
 almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

 http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



 9.  Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any
 votes.  In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out
 of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

 http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html



 10.  Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of
 which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

 http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



 11.  Diebold is based in Ohio.

 http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



 12.  Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to
 help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes
 in 30 states.

 http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



 13.  Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it
 was bought by Diebold.  Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of
 felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by
 Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning
 software now used in most of the United States.

 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
  http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

 http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



 14.  Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in
 his software and using a high degree of sophistication to evade detection
 over a period of 2 years.

 http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

 http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



 15.  None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls
 in Ohio.

 http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

 http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html



 16.

[Biofuel] Manzanar Project in Eritrea; Mangroves and Sea Water Farming Fight Global Warming

2005-11-14 Thread Thomas Mountain

Title: Manzanar Project in Eritrea; Mangroves and Sea Water Farming Fight Global Warming

from Asahi.com
Weekend Beat/ Scientist takes on the desert and wins

11/12/2005
By Marie Doezema, Staff Writer

For most people, the words barren and desert go together as naturally as peanut butter and jelly. Scientist Gordon Hisashi Sato sees things a bit differently. To him, the bleakest of landscapes suggests potential. The scraggliest of plants hints at nourishment. Civil war and famine are grounds for discovery.

Sato, who considers planting the Sahara desert entirely feasible, admits that his ideas are often met with skepticism. Recently, however, his work has been receiving global attention. In 2002, Sato was awarded the Rolex Award for Enterprise. This October, he came to Tokyo to accept the Blue Planet Prize, given by the Asahi Glass Foundation, for his Manzanar Project. To date, the initiative has succeeded in planting 800,000 mangrove trees in Eritrea, one of the world's poorest nations.

Sato, 78, is an unabashed dreamer. But he's also a pragmatist, a California Institute of Technology-trained biophysicist, who has spent his life trying to ameliorate some of the world's greatest social problems through science.

Outsmarting arid landscape is nothing new for Sato, who was interned for two years during World War II at the Manzanar Relocation Camp in California's Owens Valley. He was 14 years old, surrounded by barbed wire and dusty earth. Freedom was nonexistent, food was sparse.

The food was very bad, he says, recalling endless days of canned spinach and spam. So eventually we set up farms, and I set up a little garden where I grew what I liked to eat.

The time spent with his parents and brother at the camp taught Sato the importance of resourcefulness. It also taught him the meaning of injustice. I always thought the world was not right, he says. So let's fix it.

Sato, a small-framed man whose soft-spoken demeanor belies his intensity, was born in Los Angeles to Japanese parents, a first-generation father and an American-born mother.

The first big influence was that I grew up in a Japanese immigrant community. That was almost 80 years ago. Japanese immigrants were just acclimating and getting into mainstream society, he says.

At that time, almost 80 years ago, Japan was a third-world country, and Japanese in America were considered as people from an undeveloped, backward country. I identified with the people of the developing world. Also, very early in life, I found that I liked science very much. And I came up with the idea that someday I would use science to lift up people in the third world.

That day would come years later, after serving time in the U.S. Army and working as a gardener in Southern California. Sato came to Japan for the first time as an American soldier, after the war. It was very sad because there was so much misery here, he says. People were hungry.

Though his academic record was short of stellar--work had always left little time for studying--Sato talked his way into gaining special student status at the California Institute of Technology, a top-tier university, where he earned his doctoral degree in biophysics.

Sato dedicated over a decade to teaching and cell research before returning to the question of growing food in extreme conditions. In the mid-1970s, he began experimenting with how to grow algae in salt water.

In 1986, after meeting several Eritreans in Washington, D.C., Sato made his first trip to the nation that would become a lifelong passion.

At that time, Eritrea had not yet gained its independence from Ethiopia. Poverty and war were a way of life. We went there because of famine, Sato says. We wanted to try to help.

After arriving in Sudan, Sato was smuggled into present-day Eritrea with the help of the Eritrean People's Liberation Front. I had no idea (what to expect). Everything was new.

Sato quickly learned the necessary street smarts for surviving in a region consumed by war, mismanagement and corruption. Though life was often perilous, a photograph from the period, of a grinning Sato brandishing an automatic weapon, is misleading.

I wanted to shoot a rabbit. I was tired of canned spaghetti, he says. Sato missed the rabbit, but succeeded with his larger goal--to supply a war-wounded population with sustenance to survive.

We grew fish--not so much, but enough so that the wounded had high-protein food. When Eritrea gained its independence in 1991, however, fish farming proved too labor intensive to be effective on a wide-scale, long-term basis.

For the next two years, Sato traveled between Eritrea and New York, where he was the director of the W. Alton Jones Cell Science Center. The eureka moment came one day as he watched a group of camels munching on the leaves of mangrove trees, which grew sparsely along the Eritrean coastline.

I saw camels eating mangrove trees, he says. But the mangrove trees don't grow in many areas of

[Biofuel] was.. 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

2005-11-14 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork





Hello,
There is tons of credable information on rigged voting machines
and other irregularities that (allegedly) happened in the last election
and you would have to be  dumber than a box of hammers to not think
something very fishy went on especially with Diebold and co.
The last election was rigged in more ways than one.  Perhaps
it's time to bring in international observers to supervise the next one.
Yeah, that will really happen ;)  sarcasm intended.
Demanding a verifiable, certified paper trail after voting might be a start.




regards 
tallex


  ---Original Message---
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
  Sent: 14 Nov '05 02:51
  
  Yup.ÊÊKnow what's funny.ÊÊThe republicans are doing a far better job
  of destroying themselves in the past few weeks than the democrats have
  ever managed to do, and the democrats are STILL having a hard time
  positioning themselves as the winners in the whole thing.
  
  Remember when we (americans) were making jokes about the corruption in
  Italy's government...ÊÊWell, what do you think WE look like?
  
  On 11/13/05, ABC aquaculture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
   Scary stuff,
  
  ÊÊO dear we are in the shitÊÊ!
  
  



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   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   bmolloy
  ÊÊSent: Monday, 14 November 2005 12:30 PM
  ÊÊTo: Biofuel
  ÊÊSubject: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Hi All,
  
  
   Anyone with some inside knowledge, is this just an urban 
 legend?
  
  
   Regards,
  
  
   Bob.
  
   http://nightweed.com/printableusavotefacts.html
  
  
  
   20 Amazing Facts About
  ÊÊVoting in the USA
  
  
  ÊÊby Angry Girl
  
   Nightweed.com
  
  
  
   Did you know
  
   1.ÊÊ80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:ÊÊDiebold
   and ESS.
  
   http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold
  
  
  
   2.ÊÊThere is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of 
 the
   U.S. voting machine industry.
  
   http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
  
   http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
  
  
  
   3.ÊÊThe vice-president of Diebold and the president of ESS are brothers.
  
   http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
  
   http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
  
  
  
   4.ÊÊThe chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and
   donor who wrote in 2003 that he was committed to helping Ohio deliver its
   electoral votes to the president next year.
  
   http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
  
   http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886
  
  
  
   5.ÊÊRepublican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ESS.ÊÊHe became
   Senator based on votes counted by ESS machines.
  
   http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
  
   http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html
  
  
  
   6.ÊÊRepublican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, 
 was
   recently caught lying about his ownership of ESS by the Senate Ethics
   Committee.
  
   http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=26
  
   http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
  
   http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php
  
  
  
   7.ÊÊSenator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
   vice-presidential candidates.
  
   http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
  
   http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html
  
  
  
   8.ÊÊESS is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts
   almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
  
   http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
  
   http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
  
  
  
   9.ÊÊDiebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any
   votes.ÊÊIn other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out
   of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
  
   http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
  
   http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html
  
  
  
   10.ÊÊDiebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all 
 of
   which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
  
   http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

[Biofuel] Alum as coagulant

2005-11-14 Thread Wes Moore




After a few months of experimenting with Alum  (1 liter test batches) I have
concluded that Alum is effective to congeal water and most of the black
sludge in used cooking oil.  
By adding about 1 teaspoon of alum to a liter of dirty oil, stirring and
leaving to settle for a day or two, there is an obvious clarity to the oil
and a layer of sediment at the bottom of the container.  
To make this process even more attractive, by adding more oil after pouring
the clarified oil off the top, the alum seems to be able to clarify the next
couple of batches without adding more alum.
Adding powdered bentonite seems to help, although I have not tried to
separate the effects of each.  I would be interested to hear the experiences
of others.
Wes



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Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?


Hello Ken

Interesting article:

http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2005/11/11/opinion/comment 
ary/iq_3161168.txt

Overpopulation is an issue no one, liberal or conservative, wants to
touch. The right-wing Christian conservatives say it's ungodly to screw
with procreation while left-wing liberals claim it steps on our 
civil liberties.

-K

Aarghh! Only he got it all wrong, double-aarghh.

I'll touch it for you. But then I'm both a liberal and a 
conservative, or is it neither of them, I keep forgetting.

Anyway, says Jim Lydecker: The giant iceberg's given a name: 
Overpopulation. Some of the ones connected to it are known as 
resource depletion, climate change, disease, hunger and economic 
collapse.

But it's a confusion of cause and effect.

There is no overpopulation problem as such, it's just a side-effect 
of some of the things Lydecker says it causes: resource depletion (ie 
resource extraction), and economic collapse, yes, but only at the 
local or sub-regional level, and the cause of that is not 
overpopulation but an inequitable world economic system that 
concentrates the wealth it extracts elsewhere, and, not leaves, but 
deliberately creates poverty and deprivation in its wake, as we've 
agreed in previous discussions, in order to maintain the excess 
labour pool that's an integral part of corporate capitalism.

We've discussed all this a great deal in the past. One problem is 
that some people seem to get themselves emotionally committed to the 
idea that there are too many humans and they'll just have to go. You 
find it all over the place, with the population non-issue, with folks 
like good old Die-Off Jay Hanson and the others who can't manage to 
contemplate eating cold turkey without Big Oil, and with the quite 
common view especially in the Western countries that we humans are 
just a sort of cancer on the face of the planet anyway, though when 
you poke that last one with a stick it usually emerges that the 
unsustainable behaviour they're objecting to is corporate, not human, 
but that doesn't faze them.

It's all nonsense. There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO 
shortage of money, in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than 
there's ever been before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, 
except for some of it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the 
same places where you'll find all the money, all the food, and, all 
the silly ideas too that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and 
a few billion of us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least 
it's not us because we're not poor and starving.

Please see:

http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html#povcause
The causes of poverty

... Abundance, not scarcity, best describes the world's food supply. 
Enough wheat, rice and other grains are produced to provide every 
human being with 3,500 calories a day. That doesn't even count many 
other commonly eaten foods -- vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, 
fruits, grass-fed meats, and fish. Enough food is available to 
provide at least 4.3 pounds of food per person a day worldwide: two 
and half pounds of grain, beans and nuts, about a pound of fruits and 
vegetables, and nearly another pound of meat, milk and eggs -- enough 
to make most people fat!

Read the whole page. Read what's reffed there, follow it up in the 
list archives. Check out Anup Shah's site, lots of solid information:

http://www.globalissues.org/
Global Issues That Affect Everyone

Enjoy!

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA


Hello Kurt

Okay, so, I will be the first to admit that the election system as 
it stands is shaky on many grounds. Both in voter turnout 
percentages and in the actual process.

But I don't personally believe we need to keep beating the horse of 
the past. I mean, we can't change it, no matter how much we wave our 
hands and wish it were so.

It's time to talk about not beating the horse of the past once the 
problem's solved and it no longer has any bearing on the present or 
the future, which is not quite the case here. Especially not while so 
many people refuse even to acknowledge that the problem exists. Very 
convenient for some.

Instead we need to actually learn from our mistakes, rouse up that 
beast known as the American Public (Currently sleeping, I think; I 
mean, the only thing it's been making noise about lately is gas 
prices.), and make some changes in both policy and oversight in time 
for the next election.

Or maybe make some changes to what exactly it is that put them to 
sleep and keeps them that way, or you'll just have the same old same 
old.

I mean, what else can we do? Impeach Bush? Then you'd have 
weak-heart Cheney in office, who apparently most of those who are 
not staunch Republicans still have screaming problems about. I'm 
none too fond of him myself, especially since that whole Halliburton 
contracts thing. But what can you do with him then? Impeach him too? 
Try and replace him with Kerry? Even if you could do such a thing 
and disrupt the whole line of succession for Presidency, it 
wouldn't do much good at all. Even if Kerry were the greatest 
administrator in the world (A claim I would wholeheartedly laugh at. 
He's a politician after all), walking into a situation like what 
past and present trends have brought us to would be akin to walking 
into the heart of a nuclear furnace and trying to calm the fission 
reaction down to near absolute zero. It wouldn't do much good, and 
it would only kill (metaphorically or physically) whoever was 
involved in the attempt.

When we talk about our glorious leadership it's Newspeak, like the 
Ministry of Truth. The mistake is in believing they're going to do 
anything you could call leading. They're not the agents of change, 
they never have been, they're the ones who hold it back.

You could look to our social institutions for some sort of avenue of 
redress to try to put pressure on them to represent us as they're 
supposed to. But not the kind of pressure that might counter the 
pressure those who own them can put them under, so nothing happens.

See, eg:
http://snipurl.com/jv6s
[Biofuel] US Montana's energy future

It took us as a nation and a people a very long time to build up the 
habits and trends we currently hold and espouse; it didn't happen 
overnight.

What's made very much of the difference in the US has happened over 
not a very long time, the last 30 years or so of very effective 
rightwing campaigning, and a really masterful use of spin. The sheer 
level and effectiveness of spin in the US now is quite unprecedented, 
and not many people even notice it. They might know it's there, but 
they tend to think they're immune, it doesn't work on them only on 
other people (sheeple). So they don't take account of it. Just as 
required.

Especially with the voting system: I seem to recall hearing numerous 
stories about how ballot boxes used to be stuffed or outright bought 
by various candidates or affiliates in the past. We apparently 
didn't care much then, except for a show of resistance, and all the 
latter did was make the deviousness more, well, devious. Rigging 
setups just got more and more sneaky, and I imagine they remained a 
fairly common occurence throughout electoral history. They just 
happened to get caught once again.
So... what do we do?

Counterspin's not a bad place to start. (Great tools in the, uh, 
archives.) This is worth a read:

The Enemies of Democracy
Report of a chilling, documented history of ongoing corporate efforts 
to use propaganda and public relations to distort science, 
manipulate public opinion, discredit democracy, and consolidate 
political power in the hands of a wealthy few. Details, references, 
and lots of resources.
http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous3.html#070701

Best

Keith


Peace
-Kurt
 


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Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)

2005-11-14 Thread E. C.


Keith

no blame here (i know how weasely crackers are) 
should have known better than to open a no subject
attmnt -- no harm done, my AV caught  refused the
virus -- but just to let you know  warn others. 
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Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Weaver


Actually some states have changed the voting process - set up a 
bi-partisan board to prevent gerrymandering.

Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Kurt

  

Okay, so, I will be the first to admit that the election system as 
it stands is shaky on many grounds. Both in voter turnout 
percentages and in the actual process.

But I don't personally believe we need to keep beating the horse of 
the past. I mean, we can't change it, no matter how much we wave our 
hands and wish it were so.



It's time to talk about not beating the horse of the past once the 
problem's solved and it no longer has any bearing on the present or 
the future, which is not quite the case here. Especially not while so 
many people refuse even to acknowledge that the problem exists. Very 
convenient for some.

  

Instead we need to actually learn from our mistakes, rouse up that 
beast known as the American Public (Currently sleeping, I think; I 
mean, the only thing it's been making noise about lately is gas 
prices.), and make some changes in both policy and oversight in time 
for the next election.



Or maybe make some changes to what exactly it is that put them to 
sleep and keeps them that way, or you'll just have the same old same 
old.

  

I mean, what else can we do? Impeach Bush? Then you'd have 
weak-heart Cheney in office, who apparently most of those who are 
not staunch Republicans still have screaming problems about. I'm 
none too fond of him myself, especially since that whole Halliburton 
contracts thing. But what can you do with him then? Impeach him too? 
Try and replace him with Kerry? Even if you could do such a thing 
and disrupt the whole line of succession for Presidency, it 
wouldn't do much good at all. Even if Kerry were the greatest 
administrator in the world (A claim I would wholeheartedly laugh at. 
He's a politician after all), walking into a situation like what 
past and present trends have brought us to would be akin to walking 
into the heart of a nuclear furnace and trying to calm the fission 
reaction down to near absolute zero. It wouldn't do much good, and 
it would only kill (metaphorically or physically) whoever was 
involved in the attempt.



When we talk about our glorious leadership it's Newspeak, like the 
Ministry of Truth. The mistake is in believing they're going to do 
anything you could call leading. They're not the agents of change, 
they never have been, they're the ones who hold it back.

You could look to our social institutions for some sort of avenue of 
redress to try to put pressure on them to represent us as they're 
supposed to. But not the kind of pressure that might counter the 
pressure those who own them can put them under, so nothing happens.

See, eg:
http://snipurl.com/jv6s
[Biofuel] US Montana's energy future

  

It took us as a nation and a people a very long time to build up the 
habits and trends we currently hold and espouse; it didn't happen 
overnight.



What's made very much of the difference in the US has happened over 
not a very long time, the last 30 years or so of very effective 
rightwing campaigning, and a really masterful use of spin. The sheer 
level and effectiveness of spin in the US now is quite unprecedented, 
and not many people even notice it. They might know it's there, but 
they tend to think they're immune, it doesn't work on them only on 
other people (sheeple). So they don't take account of it. Just as 
required.

  

Especially with the voting system: I seem to recall hearing numerous 
stories about how ballot boxes used to be stuffed or outright bought 
by various candidates or affiliates in the past. We apparently 
didn't care much then, except for a show of resistance, and all the 
latter did was make the deviousness more, well, devious. Rigging 
setups just got more and more sneaky, and I imagine they remained a 
fairly common occurence throughout electoral history. They just 
happened to get caught once again.
So... what do we do?



Counterspin's not a bad place to start. (Great tools in the, uh, 
archives.) This is worth a read:

The Enemies of Democracy
Report of a chilling, documented history of ongoing corporate efforts 
to use propaganda and public relations to distort science, 
manipulate public opinion, discredit democracy, and consolidate 
political power in the hands of a wealthy few. Details, references, 
and lots of resources.
http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous3.html#070701

Best

Keith


  

Peace
-Kurt


 


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Re: [Biofuel] Alum as coagulant

2005-11-14 Thread Doug Turner


Hi Wes:

Thanks for the information.  I was wondering if you have determined if
adding alum has any impact on processing the WVO into BD.  My weak, old, and
somewhat suspect knowledge of chemistry tells me that alum will dramatically
alter the pH of unbuffered solutions and that some metals (not sure about
aluminium) will hasten oxidization rates in vegetable oils, shortening their
shelf-life.  I don't know enough to figure out for myself if there would be
an impact on processing.  Any ideas?

TIA

Doug Turner

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Subject: [Biofuel] Alum as coagulant




 After a few months of experimenting with Alum  (1 liter test batches) I
have
 concluded that Alum is effective to congeal water and most of the black
 sludge in used cooking oil.
 By adding about 1 teaspoon of alum to a liter of dirty oil, stirring and
 leaving to settle for a day or two, there is an obvious clarity to the oil
 and a layer of sediment at the bottom of the container.
 To make this process even more attractive, by adding more oil after
pouring
 the clarified oil off the top, the alum seems to be able to clarify the
next
 couple of batches without adding more alum.
 Adding powdered bentonite seems to help, although I have not tried to
 separate the effects of each.  I would be interested to hear the
experiences
 of others.
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Re: [Biofuel] Keith's soap - Re: Question from a beginner

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Weaver


Actually I find that using SBBP leaves my previously wrinkled skin baby 
soft and smooth.
As for metric, heh, I'm in the US and as our clueless leader never stops 
singing - *it's all about US*  Metrics schemtrics.

Keith Addison wrote:

I can cover far more skin with saponified biodiesel by-product.  With
commercial shampoo I get about 35 square inches per ounce, with SBBP
it's closer to 55.



Thankyou! Nothing like a bit of good science to cheer a person up 
first thing in the morning. :-)

Not very metric though, hm, square inches per ounce, that's so five 
minutes ago, that skin you're talking about must be all wrinkled up 
by now. Anyway never mind it didn't spoil my coffee, just as well 
'cos I finished the last pint of milk. D'you think we can find a 
better brand-name than SBBP? SBBP's a little hard to shape a 
compelling jingle round, it needs something bright and snappy that 
lodges in the brain like a prion (thankyou Misha).

Keith


  

Keith Addison wrote:



Not to mention I find I get better mileage with saponified biodiesel
by-product




Sorry Mike, you'll have to be a bit more specific than that, are you
talking about mileage gained while you're in the driver's seat or the
back seat?

Best

Keith




  

And have you seen the prices on shampoo? I mean, who can afford it?


Keith Addison wrote:





Hi Ken





  

I take offense to that.  I use soap too.  Just not very often.






You do? You could go cold turkey on the soap. I went through the
bi-monthly ordeal a few weeks ago (aarghh!) and I didn't use any
soap. I used saponified biodiesel by-product instead, liquid cleaner,
it cleans like all hell but it's VERY mild on the skin. Nice shower,
not bad at all. But I wouldn't call it soap. Not quite sure what to
call it.

You have to get the lye quantity right, the online recipes I've seen
are too vague and it doesn't work that way with acid-base anyway, but
when you do get it right it's great stuff. The, uh, Joe Street Honda
Civic backseat factor might need a little attention for toiletries
applications. (Don't watch this space.)

Best

Keith






  

On 11/11/05, Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






might be nice for the ladies

Mike



On 11/11/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




  

Hey, he just make some nice coconut soap it sounds like...

On 11/11/05, Joe Street  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






ROFLMAO.  This is a joke right?  Please?
OK throw out whatever 'instuctions' you had and follow these
instructions instead:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodnew


  

snip
  



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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Weaver


So what?  As long as Nascar is on what's the big deal?

Freedom hater.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor
population seem to attest to that.




We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a
while) after Katrina.  The rampant social inequity that all of the
developed countries have typically done a rather good job of keeping
under the rug came out.  And this past week it came out from under the
rug in France too.

Zeke


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Doug,



  

Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only
substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on
foreign markets.

Of course we are not too near the 'final corporate solution', when only
one company remains standing in the world. But with all the hidden mergers
and such, its probably closer than we think.

Kenji Fuse




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[Biofuel] Drying KOH

2005-11-14 Thread logan vilas


If KOH is exposed to water can it be dryed? If so do ya'll think 
dehumidifaction would dry it?

I am building a cabinet sort of like a sand blast cabinent for measuring 
KOH. I am going to build a small dehumidifyer from peltier junctoins. It 
opens on the right side to put in a bag of KOH. Then I'll let the 
dehumidifier run until it has very little or no liquid removal before 
opening the bag. I will have a box on the left side of the unit. The box's 
top will open, but close when you let it go. That box will have a door on 
the outside of the case. There will be a tray along the back and left side 
of it. Sandblasting gloves in the front and a plexiglas window. My scales 
will be on the tray. Just measure out the amount needed put it in a plastic 
bag. Then drop the bag in the box. Pull your hands out and remove the bag 
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Re: [Biofuel] Drying KOH

2005-11-14 Thread bob allen


Exposure no air causes two problems:  both the water vapor hydrates the 
KOH and CO2 reacts converting the KOH to KHCO3 and K2CO3.


logan vilas wrote:
 If KOH is exposed to water can it be dryed? If so do ya'll think 
 dehumidifaction would dry it?
 
 I am building a cabinet sort of like a sand blast cabinent for measuring 
 KOH. I am going to build a small dehumidifyer from peltier junctoins. It 
 opens on the right side to put in a bag of KOH. Then I'll let the 
 dehumidifier run until it has very little or no liquid removal before 
 opening the bag. 

You may be getting rid of water but at the same time adding CO2.


For about hundred liter batches, I just work in the open air, but always 
keep my KOH closed while not actually removing it. I can easily get 500 
or 600 grams removed and measured without problems.


I will have a box on the left side of the unit. The box's
 top will open, but close when you let it go. That box will have a door on 
 the outside of the case. There will be a tray along the back and left side 
 of it. Sandblasting gloves in the front and a plexiglas window. My scales 
 will be on the tray. Just measure out the amount needed put it in a plastic 
 bag. Then drop the bag in the box. Pull your hands out and remove the bag 
 from the little door on the left. 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy





Hear Hear!!



Ken Provost wrote:

  On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote:


  
  
I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand
against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of
trust that US is going through now, will take a very long
time to repair.

  
  

Excellent. Glad to hear it!  So I assume this means that
Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will
desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying
our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will
shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated
in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost
gotten them invaded).

In other words, with all due respect, please "put your money
where your mouth is", ie,  until those in the world with higher
standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic
institutions, they can't  really be serious about supporting
some alternative, can they?

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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy





Hoooray for meltdown. Bring it on!
:-)  :-) 

Signed, The Fairorist



Doug Foskey wrote:

  Hakan,
 I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches 
(economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. 
History shows that equilibrium will be restored eventually.

regards Doug

On Sunday 13 November 2005 7:28, Hakan Falk wrote:
  
  
Ken,

The spot markets are in Belgium and Netherlands. For oil in
Belgium and they trade in $.

Last one who seriously tried with oil in Euro, was Saddam H.
and Iraq was invaded. LOL Do not worry, it will come anyway.

Jeans are not made in US and to boycott corporations, who
in most cases are without a real home nation, is of no real
benefit. Even if they have HQ outside US and their products
made made and sold outside US, they are US based if 20%
of their business are made in US. It is an US law who says
that any company with its business 20% or more in US, must
be consolidating their business in US and that makes them
American on paper. Very few of US multinational are in a
real sense American. To avoid this, is complicated, i.e.
Shell who is two independent companies, one for US and
one for the rest of the world.

I don not see what real action that you suggest to boycott,
that is American other than only the images? The Euro is
gradually making large inroads anyway, despite forceful
resistance from US.

Hakan

At 02:27 13/11/2005, you wrote:


  On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote:
  
  
I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand
against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of
trust that US is going through now, will take a very long
time to repair.

  
  Excellent. Glad to hear it!  So I assume this means that
Europeans and others will stop buying blue jeans, will
desist from investing in US corporations, will stop buying
our certificates of deposit, our Treasury bills, etc., and will
shortly be establishing a European Oil Bourse, denominated
in euros of course (like the Iranian one which has almost
gotten them invaded).

In other words, with all due respect, please "put your money
where your mouth is", ie,  until those in the world with higher
standards begin to BOYCOTT the US and all its economic
institutions, they can't  really be serious about supporting
some alternative, can they?

-K
  

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Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy


Good Lord Mike give your head a shake!  How many people were screaming 
that there were no WMD but it was brushed asside. Have a listen to 
George Galloway's diatribe for example.

Joe

Mike Weaver wrote:

help work on one.  The Bush administration finally told us to 
stick it.  Finally, the forgoing assumed that there were WMD in Iraq.  
This was a lie.  Had that been known, I find it hard to believe anyone 
would have supported the Iraq invasion.

  



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Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?

2005-11-14 Thread Ken Provost



On Nov 14, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Keith Addison wrote:


 There is no overpopulation problem as such, it's just a
 side-effect of some of the things Lydecker says it causes..



An interesting view -- I'll read the references you gave,
and I won't belabor an issue that's already been discussed
here. Just curious, tho. Do you and the sources you mention
see ANY limit to the carrying capacity of the planet? Many
estimates suggest world population will peak somewhere
around 10-13 billion, at which point disease and ecological
collapse will limit further growth. Do you see THAT level of
population also being sustainable, assuming the inequities
of distribution could be addressed?

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA


How about a good old fashioned lynchin'?  Yes we need us a good 
lyinchin' session. (sing along to the strains of Doo Dahh Day)  
Everybody now..

The Fairorist




Kurt Nolte wrote:

 Okay, so, I will be the first to admit that the election system as it 
 stands is shaky on many grounds. Both in voter turnout percentages and 
 in the actual process.

Snip


 I mean, what else can we do? Impeach Bush? Then you'd have weak-heart 
 Cheney in office, who apparently most of those who are not staunch 
 Republicans still have screaming problems about. I'm none too fond of 
 him myself, especially since that whole Halliburton contracts thing. 
 But what can you do with him then? Impeach him too?

Nip


 It took us as a nation and a people a very long time to build up the 
 habits and trends we currently hold and espouse; it didn't happen 
 overnight. Especially with the voting system: I seem to recall hearing 
 numerous stories about how ballot boxes used to be stuffed or outright 
 bought by various candidates or affiliates in the past. We apparently 
 didn't care much then, except for a show of resistance, and all the 
 latter did was make the deviousness more, well, devious. Rigging 
 setups just got more and more sneaky, and I imagine they remained a 
 fairly common occurence throughout electoral history. They just 
 happened to get caught once again.
 So... what do we do?

Zip


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Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?





Hey Ken I'm confused;

Don't the right wing Christian Conservative Congregations ( The CCC)
say it's ungodly to screw WITHOUT procreation???

Joe

Ken Provost wrote:

  Interesting
article:
  
  
  http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2005/11/11/opinion/commentary/iq_3161168.txt
  
  
  
  
  Overpopulation is an issue no one, liberal or
conservative, wants to
  touch. The right-wing Christian conservatives say it's
ungodly to screw
  with procreation while left-wing liberals claim it
steps on our civil liberties.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  -K
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Drying KOH


The cabinet should be metal and aim for a temperature of -60 Deg. C with 
the peltier stack to get the ppm levels of water down.  Oh also make 
sure the seals are of Butyl rubber not neoprene or buna and the gloves 
too.  If this seems like a lot of work then consider getting a vacuum 
pump.  Put the KOH in a bell jar and pump out all the air.  Gentle 
warming while pumping may even remove adsorbed water and the vacuum will 
keep out the nasty CO2's as well.

Cheers.

Joe

logan vilas wrote:

If KOH is exposed to water can it be dryed? If so do ya'll think 
dehumidifaction would dry it?

I am building a cabinet sort of like a sand blast cabinent for measuring 
KOH. I am going to build a small dehumidifyer from peltier junctoins. It 
opens on the right side to put in a bag of KOH. Then I'll let the 
dehumidifier run until it has very little or no liquid removal before 
opening the bag. I will have a box on the left side of the unit. The box's 
top will open, but close when you let it go. That box will have a door on 
the outside of the case. There will be a tray along the back and left side 
of it. Sandblasting gloves in the front and a plexiglas window. My scales 
will be on the tray. Just measure out the amount needed put it in a plastic 
bag. Then drop the bag in the box. Pull your hands out and remove the bag 
from the little door on the left. 


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Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?

2005-11-14 Thread Ken Provost



On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Joe Street wrote:


 Hey Ken I'm confused;

 Don't the right wing Christian Conservative Congregations
 (The CCC) say it's ungodly to screw WITHOUT procreation???



Indeed -- I believe I repeated or else created a misprint :-(  !!

In addition, tho, I think they ALSO believe that it's ungodly
to ENJOY the activity, with or without procreation :-)

-K

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