[Biofuel] World must wake up to the dangers of biofuels
http://www.ecoearth.info/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=60393 Kew boss: 'World must wake up to the dangers of biofuels' Source: Copyright 2006, Independent (UK) Date: September 9, 2006 The world should wake up to the dangers of the mass production of biofuels, which are increasingly seen as a major solution to global warming, according to Professor Sir Peter Crane, director of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. Extensive production of biofuel crops, such as oil palms, could destroy remaining areas of rainforest and bring about a new cycle of worldwide intensive agriculture involving vast applications of artificial fertilisers and pesticides, and requiring enormous water resources, said Professor Crane, who as the head of Kew Gardens is the world's leading plant scientist. There are big opportunities with biofuels, but there are big problems too, he said. It's not a free lunch. Professor Crane, 52, is retiring from Kew after seven very successful years to take up a chair at the University of Chicago, and gave his biofuels warning as part of a valedictory interview with The Independent. It comes at a critical moment. The production of road transport fuels made from crops, which do not add to the greenhouse gases causing global warming, is now starting to take off around the globe, and is likely to grow vastly. It will be one of the main agricultural developments of the 21st century. The attraction of biofuels in the fight against climate change is that they are carbon neutral. Unlike the fossil fuels, oil, gas and coal, which when burnt add to the net amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the CO2 which biofuels produce when ignited has been absorbed from the atmosphere by the crops used to make them, and so the net atmospheric amount is not increased. The best known biofuels are ethanol, a petrol substitute made from sugar cane, sugar beet or maize, widely used in Brazil and coming into use in many other countries, and biodiesel, which is made from oil palms, oilseed rape or recycled vegetable oil. American output of ethanol from maize is now rising at 30 per cent a year; Germany is raising output of biodiesel by nearly 50 per cent a year and China has built the world's biggest ethanol plant. Britain jumped on to the biofuels bandwagon this year with an obligation on British petrol companies to blend a fixed proportion of biofuels with all the petrol and diesel that they sell on garage forecourts. But Sir Peter sounded a strongly cautionary note about the new developments. If we're serious about biofuels, we're going to have to produce them in a much more sustainable way than intensive agriculture has given us in the past, he said. He voiced a concern which has already been highlighted by some environmental groups - that mass expansion of biofuel production might lead to a new round of rainforest destruction, especially with crops such as oil palm. Oil palm needs warm humid conditions and is largely grown in south-east Asia on land from which rainforest has been cleared. Expansion of oil palm production is going to have to be handled extremely carefully to ensure that it doesn't start to eat into the remaining pieces of rainforest that still exist, Professor Crane said. He went on: We're going to have to get biofuels off land that's already degraded, perhaps land that's not valuable for other purposes, for conservation or for agriculture. And we've got to do it without creating other problems with the kinds of inputs that in the past have gone into intensive agriculture. It was possible that intensive biofuel production might involve too much nitrogen-based fertiliser, pesticides and herbicides, in order to get the desired level of production, he said, as well as taking up enormous amounts of scarce water in irrigation. Sir Peter will be succeeded as director at Kew by Professor Stephen Hopper from the University of Western Australia. In his timeat the Royal Botanic Gardens he has been one of the leading figures in world plant conservation, and was a principal architect of the UN's Global Plant Conservation Strategy. Under his direction, Kew has been leading the way in one of the strategy's first aims - to provide a working checklist of all the plants of the world. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Secret to cheap petrol is coal
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/secret-to-cheap-petrol-is-coal/2006/09/09/1157222384113.html Secret to cheap petrol is coal Jason Dowling September 10, 2006 A $5 BILLION proposal to turn some of Victoria's abundant brown coal into diesel moved a step closer after the State Government revealed it was about to grant a mining licence to the company behind the project. Energy Minister Theo Theophanous told The Sunday Age that the project aimed to produce about 60,000 barrels a day of high-quality diesel fuel at a much lower cost than present world prices. He said an announcement on a mining licence for Monash Energy was likely to be made before the November 25 state election. The mining licence approval would include details of the total investment and when the plant would be operational. The first stage, which will cost between $300 million and $400 million, would be a demonstration plant that could be up and running in six years. The entire project should be operational in 10 years. The project has the backing of Shell and the big mining company Anglo American. A key aspect of the project, promoted as clean energy, would be the minimising of greenhouse gas emissions by separating the carbon dioxide from the brown coal and storing it underground - a project known as geosequestration. About $1.5 billion of the $5 billion project would be spent on the geosequestration process, Mr Theophanous said. The project would be one of the world's biggest carbon dioxide capture and storage projects, with the gas stored deep underground in the offshore oil and gas fields in the Gippsland Basin. Mr Theophanous told The Sunday Age that a trial geosequestration project near Warrnambool had received $4 million in State Government money and would likely begin depositing carbon dioxide underground next year. We have to find out - does it work and how safe is it? he said. It would be selfish to not worry about global warming, leaving it to our children. Victoria is estimated to have about 500 years of brown coal reserves in the Latrobe Valley. Mr Theophanous said that if geosequestration was successful, Victoria could cut to close to zero the emissions from new brown coal power stations in the future. He said Victoria would need a new base-load power station in the next decade, but he did not expect the geosequestration technology to be ready until the power station after next. Mr Theophanous said it would also be unlikely the geosequestration technology would have much impact on emissions from Victoria's existing power stations. Peter Cook, chief executive of the company CO2CRC, which is behind the geosequestration trial at Nirranda, near Warrnambool, said its success was absolutely crucial to the future of the Monash Energy coal-to-diesel project. Dr Cook said there had been keen interest in the geosequestration trial from around the world. He said representatives from other countries and the International Energy Agency would be in Melbourne next month to examine the geosequestration trial. He said they would look at how the carbon could be monitored once it was stored underground. The project is expected to be the first geosequestration trial in Australia when up and running next year. Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said he supported any project that tackled carbon dioxide emissions at their source. But a Greenpeace energy campaigner, Mark Wakeham, said geosequestration was untried and expensive. We don't know whether the CO 2 can be stored for the long term, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] soap or mono- and diglycerides
On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 05:05:59PM -0700, Ken Provost wrote: On Sep 9, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: I'm talking about the result I get from the washing test. I know the soap formation is only possible in presence of water dissolving the lye. That's probably why aggresive mixing in the test could produce the soap in my case. Except by the time you're washing, the NaOH will be so dilute it shouldn't produce any additional soap. I think all your glycerides and all your soap will be present already -- if you want to know the relative proportions, an FFA assay or gas chromatogram are possible ways. One of the reasons I raised this question is that I'd like to know for sure, after my product fails the wash test, whether I should increase the amount of lye or decrease it. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] World must wake up to the dangers of biofuels
Of course, the solution to all of this is to make more use of our bicycles or even better yet our feet. What the world must wake up to is the nightmare we've created with our technology...for what purpose? To get from here to there faster? More conveniently? Oh, to live longer? Why? Fear? Convenience? More money for more power to bonk your neighbor? Madness run amok!!! Oh, but they say I'm the one who is mad! Hell yes I'm mad...and probably crazy too. Whatever. I'm going outside to pull some weeds and listen to the bees buzz. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: [Biofuel] World must wake up to the dangers of biofuels http://www.ecoearth.info/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=60393 Kew boss: 'World must wake up to the dangers of biofuels' Source: Copyright 2006, Independent (UK) Date: September 9, 2006 The world should wake up to the dangers of the mass production of biofuels, which are increasingly seen as a major solution to global warming, according to Professor Sir Peter Crane, director of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. Extensive production of biofuel crops, such as oil palms, could destroy remaining areas of rainforest and bring about a new cycle of worldwide intensive agriculture involving vast applications of artificial fertilisers and pesticides, and requiring enormous water resources, said Professor Crane, who as the head of Kew Gardens is the world's leading plant scientist. "There are big opportunities with biofuels, but there are big problems too," he said. "It's not a free lunch." Professor Crane, 52, is retiring from Kew after seven very successful years to take up a chair at the University of Chicago, and gave his biofuels warning as part of a valedictory interview with The Independent. It comes at a critical moment. The production of road transport fuels made from crops, which do not add to the greenhouse gases causing global warming, is now starting to take off around the globe, and is likely to grow vastly. It will be one of the main agricultural developments of the 21st century. The attraction of biofuels in the fight against climate change is that they are "carbon neutral". Unlike the fossil fuels, oil, gas and coal, which when burnt add to the net amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the CO2 which biofuels produce when ignited has been absorbed from the atmosphere by the crops used to make them, and so the net atmospheric amount is not increased. The best known biofuels are ethanol, a petrol substitute made from sugar cane, sugar beet or maize, widely used in Brazil and coming into use in many other countries, and biodiesel, which is made from oil palms, oilseed rape or recycled vegetable oil. American output of ethanol from maize is now rising at 30 per cent a year; Germany is raising output of biodiesel by nearly 50 per cent a year and China has built the world's biggest ethanol plant. Britain jumped on to the biofuels bandwagon this year with an obligation on British petrol companies to blend a fixed proportion of biofuels with all the petrol and diesel that they sell on garage forecourts. But Sir Peter sounded a strongly cautionary note about the new developments. "If we're serious about biofuels, we're going to have to produce them in a much more sustainable way than intensive agriculture has given us in the past," he said. He voiced a concern which has already been highlighted by some environmental groups - that mass expansion of biofuel production might lead to a new round of rainforest destruction, especially with crops such as oil palm. Oil palm needs warm humid conditions and is largely grown in south-east Asia on land from which rainforest has been cleared. "Expansion of oil palm production is going to have to be handled extremely carefully to ensure that it doesn't start to eat into the remaining pieces of rainforest that still exist," Professor Crane said. He went on: "We're going to have to get biofuels off land that's already degraded, perhaps land that's not valuable for other purposes, for conservation or for agriculture. And we've got to do it without creating other problems with the kinds of inputs that in the past have gone into intensive agriculture." It was possible that intensive biofuel production might involve too much nitrogen-based fertiliser, pesticides and herbicides, in order to get the desired level of production, he said, as well as taking up enormous amounts of scarce water in irrigation. Sir Peter will be succeeded as director at Kew by Professor Stephen Hopper from the University of Western Australia. In his timeat the Royal Botanic Gardens he has been one of the leading figures in world plant conservation, and was a principal architect of the UN's Global Plant Conservation Strategy.
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I hope Disney grows some major cojones,ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's inthe mini serieslike a vampire doesto sunlight. Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the USSenate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not evenfunny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, againstDisney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entireDemocratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble.Read it, then read my analysis of it below:September 7, 2006Mr. Robert A. IgerPresident and CEOThe Walt Disney Company500 South Buena Vista StreetBurbank CA 91521Dear Mr. Iger,We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of ThePath to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports fromexperts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and seriousinaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about thetragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, themanner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertisedsuggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major andwell respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancelthis broadcast to cease Disneyâs plans to use it as a teaching tool in schoolsacross America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed andfactually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be agross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, toyour shareholders, and to the nation.The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcastlicense predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principleobligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest.Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty ofbroadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an openand accurate discussion of political ideas and events.Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Reportand are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks,and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the veryevents themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by anywho attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educationalprogram. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, âWhen youtake on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an importantevent, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.âUnfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.Despite claims by your networkâs representatives that The Path to 9/11 isbased on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, aswell as other experts on the issues, disagree.Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners whorecently viewed the program, said, âAs we were watching, we were trying tothink how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâs findings the waythat they had.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,âNew York Times, September 6, 2006]Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national securityadvisor to ABC has described the program as âdeeply flawedâ and said of theprogramâs depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent,âItâs 180 degrees from what happened.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized asInaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006]Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as aconsultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, âhe thought theywere making things up.â [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, hasadmitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â9/11 Miniseries IsCriticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006]That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven falserecounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of itscreators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, thatDisney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning ofand the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr.Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs andtalk shows.Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could beconstrued as right-wing
[Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
Hello everyone! I have a FOREST of sunflowers in my garden this year. (The tallest one measured over four meters in height when I finally cut it down.) But now I have dozens of seed heads laying next to my compost pile. I don't know what to do with them, and my saintly mother-in-law is getting upset at me for letting them "rot" on the ground. Is there an inexpensive, simple solution to getting the seeds out of their hulls? (I like sunflower seeds, especially in salads.) If I leave the seed heads out, I'm thinking that they might represent a food source for birds, but the only birds that hang around here in the winter are crows, ravens and seagulls--species I've never seen using sunflower seeds as a food source. (And I'm not sure I want a bunch of crows hanging around my house either!) Any ideas for what I could do about this? robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
On Sep 10, 2006, at 9:31 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: Hello everyone! I have a FOREST of sunflowers in my garden this year. I don't knowwhat to do with them, and my saintly mother-in-law is getting upset atme for letting them "rot" on the ground. Any ideas for what I could do about this?Get yourself a seed press and make sunflower oil -- great on salads,and makes good biodiesel!Better yet, ship them all to ME and I'LL make sunflower oil :-)-K___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
Ken Provost wrote: Get yourself a seed press and make sunflower oil -- great on salads, and makes good biodiesel! I like my salads naked, and I don't own a diesel. But, where can I find a seed press? Better yet, ship them all to ME and I'LL make sunflower oil :-) Wouldn't there be a food miles issue with that? : -) Of course, you could come and visit, enjoy our hospitality, then take as many as you want with you when you leave . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.� Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your network’s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, “As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission’s findings the way that they had.� [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,� New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as “deeply flawed� and said of the program’s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, “It’s 180 degrees from what happened.� [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,� New York Times, September 6, 2006] Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
On Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:31 AM, Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Well, I would imagine Disney/ABC wouldn't need huevos that large to spin a few lies about 9/11... I mean, after all, BushCo has manged to lie up one side and down the other and I'm quite certian they all have tiny tiny testies. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. According to the abc website, this story goes back to 1993 to start the tale of Osama and 9/11.. Seems if they want to blame some people they may as well start back when Reagan was underwriting the conflict in Afganastan, or when Reagan traded arms with both Iran and Iraq, or when Bush Senior really pissed off Osama with Air Bases in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. After all of that, it does seem Clinton is a bastard for boinking a secretary rather than toying with the middle east like the two presidents before him. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Stop muddying the waters. The Clinton Admistration's Legacy just came and put crabgrass in my lawn. DHAJOGLO wrote: On Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:31 AM, Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Well, I would imagine Disney/ABC wouldn't need huevos that large to spin a few lies about 9/11... I mean, after all, BushCo has manged to lie up one side and down the other and I'm quite certian they all have tiny tiny testies. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. According to the abc website, this story goes back to 1993 to start the tale of Osama and 9/11.. Seems if they want to blame some people they may as well start back when Reagan was underwriting the conflict in Afganastan, or when Reagan traded arms with both Iran and Iraq, or when Bush Senior really pissed off Osama with Air Bases in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. After all of that, it does seem Clinton is a bastard for boinking a secretary rather than toying with the middle east like the two presidents before him. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
On Sep 10, 2006, at 10:41 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: I like my salads naked, and I don't own a diesel. But, where can I find a seed press? Journey to Forever has a good selection (all too expensive!) under supplies and suppliers Of course, you could come and visit, enjoy our hospitality, then take as many as you want with you when you leave . . . Sounds like fun! Next time I'm in Canada.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week?And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the "Oral Orifice".Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I was dumb enough to vote for him.Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâs plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, âWhen you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your networkâs representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, âAs we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâs findings the way that they had.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as âdeeply flawedâ and said of the programâs depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, âItâs 180 degrees from what happened.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006] Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, âhe thought they were making things up.â [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
On Sep 10, 2006, at 10:41 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: I like my salads naked, and I don't own a diesel. But, where can I find a seed press? Journey to Forever has a good selection (all too expensive!) under supplies and suppliers DIY, cheap as junk: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html The Sunflower Seed Huller and Oil Press Best Keith Of course, you could come and visit, enjoy our hospitality, then take as many as you want with you when you leave . . . Sounds like fun! Next time I'm in Canada.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheese Whey to Ethanol
To Saludos, Why you want to ferment whey to ethanol when you can make Tagatose sugar that is more lucrative fron whey. From: Dimas Ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cheese Whey to Ethanol Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:56:32 + I have a waste of 20,000 liters of cheese whey every day. I want to convert it to ethanol, but a can not find Kluyveromyces Fragilis to break the lactose. Anybody knows about it or another method to make it happens? Saludos! Dimas ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:31 AM, Gregg Davidson wrote:I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway.Well, I would imagine Disney/ABC wouldn't need huevos that large to spin a few lies about 9/11... I mean, after all, BushCo has manged to lie up one side and down the other and I'm quite certian they all have tiny tiny testies. Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that?Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.According to the abc website, this story goes back to 1993 to start the tale of Osama and 9/11.. Seems if they want to blame some people they may as well start back when Reagan was underwriting the conflict in Afganastan, or when Reagan traded arms with both Iran and Iraq, or when Bush Senior really pissed off Osama with Air Bases in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. After all of that, it does seem Clinton is a bastard for boinking a secretary rather than toying with the middle east like the two presidents before him.I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama.We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long as it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones (Clinton), is that what you're saying? Best Keith Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â* Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your networkâ*s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, â*As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâ*s findings the way that they had.â* [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as â*deeply flawedâ* and said of the programâ*s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, â*Itâ*s 180 degrees from what happened.â* [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, â*he thought they were making things up.â* [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that? Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
No Keith, that's not what I'm saying. A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it.If President Bushdid the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous, I'd be screaming for him to be impreached too.There are things that thePresident is doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception to. I don't see the present administration threateningto pull the license of abroadcast network, or tryingviolate ABC's First Amendment Right,but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling outthe figurativeStorm Troopers, which is the typicalscare tactic.Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long as it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones (Clinton), is that what you're saying?BestKeithMike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â* Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your networkâ*s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, â*As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâ*s findings the way that they had.â* [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as â*deeply flawedâ* and said of the programâ*s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, â*Itâ*s 180 degrees from what happened.â* [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, â*he thought they were making things up.â* [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
Keith Addison wrote: DIY, cheap as junk: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html The Sunflower Seed Huller and Oil Press I've been to the JTF site dozens of times. Why have I never seen that??? You're a wealth of info, Keith, and I'm printing as I write. Thank you! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than that.The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened.DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg,I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years.On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that?Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened.-dave___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Oil Collection and Other Questions
Hey everyone,I am currently attending the University of Illinois. A student group that I am involved with has recently begun a project to convert all of the used cooking oil from the university food services into biodiesel to power university vehicles. The WVO is currently collected by a company that uses it to make animal feed. As of now, we are operating under the assumption that we will simply take oil from the company's tanks. If our use becomes so great that we collect all the oil, I understand that we will probably have to collect the oil in our own tanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions
Sorry, I hit send before I was finished. As I was saying:We are concerned that it will be difficult to collect the WVO in the winter because it will be solid. The company uses a heating element on the collection trunk, but we'll just be sucking it out with a hose. Does anyone know how we should heat up the WVO in order to extract it? Also, if it becomes necessary to collect the WVO in our own tanks, does anyone have any idea where we could find something like that? Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD use cannot void engine warranty
Hey all,Has anyone ever seen this? http://www.sqbiofuels.com/faq.htm#q6Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
No Keith, that's not what I'm saying. A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it. If President Bush did the things that made Clinton famous, or infamous, I'd be screaming for him to be impreached too. There are things that the President is doing, as well as not doing, that I take exception to. I don't see the present administration threatening to pull the license of a broadcast network, or trying violate ABC's First Amendment Right, but the Democrat/Liberals are. They're calling out the figurative Storm Troopers, which is the typical scare tactic. Er, you haven't noticed the current administration's antics with the FCC, eg, and with just about every media protection the US ever had? Maybe you sh (a) wake up just a little and (b) do some homework (a helluva lot) - the list archives is a great place to start. Best Keith Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. So Gregg, it doesn't matter if it's all lies and disinfo just as long as it supports the good guys (Republicans) and attacks the evil ones (Clinton), is that what you're saying? Best Keith Mike Weaver wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâ*s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, â*When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â* Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your networkâ*s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, â*As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâ*s findings the way that they had.â* [â*9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â* New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as â*deeply flawedâ* and said of the programâ*s depiction
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that? Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? I believe some foreign civilians might have been killed too, just in case anyone's interested. ICH: 62,006 - 180,000, The number killed in the 'war on terror' http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14906.htm Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War? As Many As 250,000 http://www.marchforjustice.com/shockawe.php Eg. And the rest! All strangely invisible from within the borders of the US somehow. Best Keith Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us. Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Woes
Keith Addison wrote: DIY, cheap as junk: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html The Sunflower Seed Huller and Oil Press I've been to the JTF site dozens of times. Why have I never seen that??? You're a wealth of info, Keith, and I'm printing as I write. Thank you! :-) You are most welcome. Robert, we loved your amazing sunflower! LOL! If your lad had climbed up to the top of it I reckon he'd have found a giant sleeping in a castle up there in the clouds. Thanks for sending the pic - I'll upload it and post a ref. for the list. All best Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories about WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice. Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I was dumb enough to vote for him. Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.� Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. Despite claims by your network’s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree. Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, “As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission’s findings the way that they had.� [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,� New York Times, September 6, 2006] Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as “deeply flawed� and said of the program’s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent,
Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions
are you using a big hopper ordrums? if you are usingyour ownhopper, i probably wont be of much help, but drums can be picked up with a 2 wheeled dolley and loaded onto a truck with atommy lift, a minimum of equipment. the only thing i can think of for a hopper would be to borrow one of the bigger maintenance tractors and cart it off that way, because heating it would require either a LOT of time to heat from the truck power, or to run up the shop owner's power bill with a constant heater (which i highly doubt they will appreciate). my personal suggestion is to place a 55 gal drum and have the owner fillthat before theystart onto the reclaimer's hopper. that should give plenty for experimenting, and is expandable as needed, just add drums. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions Sorry, I hit send before I was finished. As I was saying:We are concerned that it will be difficult to collect the WVO in the winter because it will be solid. The company uses a heating element on the collection trunk, but we'll just be sucking it out with a hose. Does anyone know how we should heat up the WVO in order to extract it? Also, if it becomes necessary to collect the WVO in our own tanks, does anyone have any idea where we could find something like that? Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Very good point, Keith. Though, invisible would give us an excuse. I would say conveniently ignored. From: Keith Addison I believe some foreign civilians might have been killed too, just in case anyone's interested. ICH: 62,006 - 180,000, The number killed in the 'war on terror' http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14906.htm Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War? As Many As 250,000 http://www.marchforjustice.com/shockawe.php Eg. And the rest! All strangely invisible from within the borders of the US somehow. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD use cannot void engine warranty
woud the dissolution of a gasket be considered fuel damage or a component failure, though? i can just about guarantee that theyll say even ASTM biodiesel caused the failure thus voiding the warranty on the grounds of "external influences" . JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] BD use cannot void engine warranty Hey all,Has anyone ever seen this? http://www.sqbiofuels.com/faq.htm#q6Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
