Re: [Biofuel] Algae In Storage Tank?

[A. Lawrence]

 I've been warned of this but haven't seen any thing yet.  I keep my
 finished biodiesel in a 275-Gal Oil Tank.  Someone my dad was talking to
 said they had problems with algae growing in their tank.  Just wondering
 if any one else has encountered this and if there is something I can do
 to prevent it.


Hi Roger,


There is an algae that thrives in diesel fuel, and is a real bear to get rid
of... Usually it's done with noxious chemical additives, I just forget the
name at the moment... BD can also develop this stuff, (or a close cousin)
with the same results/problems... I have several drums stored now, and have
had no problem with it... best to use a lined drum in the case of 200L (55
gal) containers... unlined and long storage periods can lead to rust, (ask
me how I know that) whether by water contamination, or the hygroscopic
nature of the fuel - source doesn't matter, water and steel with a few other
misc. components will yield rust in the bottom, and over time,
perforation Avoidance of the circumstances the could lead to such
problems is always the best way... hope this helps a little... Al


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Re: [Biofuel] Algae In Storage Tank?

[A. Lawrence]

 ALGAE DOES NOT grow in diesel fuel.  Other biological bugs do however
grow
 in diesel fuel under rare and specific conditions.  It is a long term
 storage condition.   Diesel fuel degrades over a period of time and forms
 asphaltene compounds which eventually settle out forming a sludge that
 resembles ALGAE but which is not.   These are excerpts from two WebPages
 that ultimately quote the same person.  He is in the business of selling
 diesel fuel system filtering systems so use the info to do your own
 research.

 http://www.shareyourstate.com/dieselfuel.htm

Funny, I pulled a fuel tank out of a 1987 vintage car, and there was diesel
fuel in it from long ago (a parts car), and miracle of miracles, I could see
the bottom of the tank in all it's metallic glory, through the fuel after I
pulled the level sender out... Algae, bacteria, whatever you would care to
call it matters not a whit to me, but that fact remains, that some kind of
life thrives in a diesel fuel environment... Specific conditions for growth,
yes, rare, not so much... any life including us needs specific conditions to
grow... As for this life form living in BD, I have to ask, why wouldn't it??
There are organisms that grow in all manner of extreme environments...
seems to me that a natural fuel such as BD, is not all that hostile, and
could/would quite easily support life - even if we (as humans) are arrogant
enough to believe otherwise... In any case, the crud exisits, and can be
cleaned up, but as I said in my last post, it's a bear... best to avoid
creating a friendly environment for it in the first place if at all
possible... Al




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Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?

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Hi Tom,

Using it to heat a shop or such is probably the best thing you can do with
something as haywire as that - glad you found out *before* you made a large
batch of soap... I still have a lot of that bad oil from the supplier I
let go, and will continue to work with it, but it's sure nasty stuff...
monetarily - not worth the effort... environmentally - gotta do it... as for
the advice, my favorite one-liner; Take my advice - I'm not using it...
g




 Al,
  I spent a few hours monkeying around with this stuff. I succeeded in
 making soap.

 A couple of years ago I split the glyc. mix  methanol recovery. I
 blended the FFAs that split out with BD to fuel my oil-fired heating
 system. I can't help but think that somebody dumped FFAs into the
dumpster.
 A sample from the top titrated 19; deeper titrated 24!!!  The FFAs split
 from the glyc mix titrate 33. Maybe they split the glyc in order to
recover
 the methanol, and had no use for the FFAs.

  The good news:  This stuff burns nicely in a friend's waste oil
heater.
 A 100+ gal will help heat his shop next winter.
Thanks for the good advice,
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Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?

[A. Lawrence]

  My thoughts as well  ...  after sleeping on it. I have a cubie
 (4.5gal/17.7L) of the WVO. As time permits I'll do some test batches using
 A/B two step. As the price of veg oil increases, some restaurants are
 changing less frequently. It might be a good idea for me to become better
 acquainted with processing bad oil. If I can convert this stuff I can
 probably deal with just about anything.

  Since you are an experienced A/B two stepper, I'd like your thoughts
on
 the following:
  I have had great success composting glycerin after it has been split
 from the mix.
 Unsplit glycerin composts, but does not seem to do as well as split glyc.
I
 suspect the presence of soaps is the reason.
  A/B two step not only increases yield, but should reduce the amount
of
 soap produced  .  Yes?   - once neutralized, the glyc from A/B
two
 step more closely resembles the split glyc.

   Best to You,

Tom

Hi Tom,  All I do with my glycerine is mix it with sawdust and burn it.
Indeed, I get less glycerine from using the 2-step method, but beyond that,
I don't monkey with it... Not to appear terse, (I can't remember the exact
science) but as memory serves, the 2-step allows more oil to be made into
bio-fuel, hence, less glycerine... I'd ask you to have a peek at the JTF
site, again, not to appear terse - I'll be revisiting too, to refresh my
memory. (D'oh!) Single step is well-suited to gently used oil, but hard-used
oil demands 2-step, unless you'd like a 30% (or so)return of oil and 70%
glyc... If there's Magnesol in it - run for your life!! It's a BDr's
nightmare!!

Regards, Al

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Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?

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I recently dumped a WVO supplier because their oil has become
unmanageable - my best guess is that they are using Magnesol to filter it,
and get more mileage out of it... The titration was all over the spectrum,
and yes, for those of you that would ask, all was well with the titration
chemicals, and process... Test batches done at titration levels varied in
result, and again, I suspected I had a bad component somewhere, but even
with many test batches, only changing one component at a time to control the
outcome(s), it was never anywhere near what the titration said it should
be... Titration results suddenly went up with the change of ownership...
hmmm..
So, that's my best guess, and my exp. with that sort of thing... and BTW, I
have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and
processes as it should... good luck with that, Al

FWIW, I don't eat there either... :-|




 Hi All,
  I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited
it from the previous owner. I tested a sample  . clean, fairly light in
color .  titrated 19g KOH/L !!!
  (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.)

  The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be
returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as
soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the
two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble
pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil?

  The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like
what's in the dumpster.
 Advice appreciated,
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Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?

[A. Lawrence]

 Al,
  BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff
 titrates and
 processes as it should...

  Me too. Looks can be deceiving, huh?
Tom

Tom,  Looks can sure be that... that Magnesol (if that's what is going on)
is an absolute nightmare to deal with... I have been doing the A/B two step
for a long time now, and it works much better than I could ever imagine a
single stage process doing (further on in this thread). However, the results
are still all over the map - if I use the methoxide mix titration calls for,
*usually* it's instantly more soap than fuel, so cutting back on the
methoxide helps, but even at that, the variance between batches from the
same supplier won't allow me to use experience to tweak it to the right
place. Incremental changes up or down even slightly seem somehow to be
magnified... Best advice I'd offer is pass on this on please unless you've
got plenty of time, patience, resources, and methods of dealing with the
consequences... and they aren't pleasant... Al


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Re: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

[A. Lawrence]

Any chance you've disturbed something and it's sucking some air now?? Go
over the whole system carefully... Easier to pull in air than fuel...

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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?


 Greetings all,

 Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and
 now it won't start.
 I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it
 to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
 It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I
 ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.

 Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I
 pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
 I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the
 old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
 line filled up again.

 But, it won't start.

 So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries
 in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
 and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.

 As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I
 gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to
 running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.

 Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.

 It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery
 problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.

 I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is
 somehow messed up.

 BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.

 Any greybeards out there with advice?

 TIA,

 Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20

[A. Lawrence]

My apologies Mike, I do indeed remember that there was a time when one
government employee actually did their job - and did it very well... I was
looking for some information, and of all the many contacts that I made, one
stood out as above and beyond...  the others just offered standard lip
service... so, I stand corrected... there are *some* that care, do their
job, and get results - I was fortunate to run across one... Al



 Not quite true, deep, deep inside all those ugly gray buildings are the
 30% of gov't employees who do care and actually do 90% of the work.
 the final 10% is done by the other 70%.

 Been there, done that.

 A. Lawrence wrote:

 Only one problem with the statement below...
 
  Government and Work don't belong in the same sentence - it's a
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Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20

[A. Lawrence]

Only one problem with the statement below...

 Government and Work don't belong in the same sentence - it's a
contradiction of terms...



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Re: [Biofuel] Ensuring Canada's biofuel self-sufficiency - National Post - 2007.02.16

[A. Lawrence]

I've got a nickel that says they'll cave to foreign pressure and import


- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Biofuel] Ensuring Canada's biofuel self-sufficiency - National
Post - 2007.02.16


 http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=23af94
 26-4512-4939-a311-068b48399d74


 KORY TENEYCKE
 Special to the National Post


 Friday, February 16, 2007


 Next Wednesday, federal and provincial energy ministers will gather in
 our nation's capital. A critical decision on the future of homegrown
 ethanol and biodiesel fuel hangs in the balance. Will Canada join the
 developed world in building its own renewable fuels industry, or will we
 pay our major foreign competitors to fulfill Canadian needs? Will Canada
 enjoy the many benefits of a biofuels boom, or will it be a
 made-in-Canada bust?

 The decision is a critical one, and its consequences are far-reaching
 for climate change, farmers and Canadian taxpayers.

 Late last year, Stephen Harper's government, with the support of all
 opposition parties, mandated a 5% average renewable fuel blend for all
 cars, buses and trucks on the road in Canada, to take effect in 2010.
 This sets a firm target for the blending of biofuels such as ethanol and
 biodiesel in our national fuel supply.

 What the federal government did not decide is who will supply the
 renewable fuels to meet this new mandate. That decision will have to be
 made in time for the federal budget expected in late-March.

 Currently, foreign ethanol and biodiesel producers enjoy tax breaks that
 provide them with a competitive advantage over Canadian producers. In
 the United States, this competitive advantage has resulted in 30 biofuel
 plants being constructed in the last year, while Canada has built just
 two during the same period. The reason for the discrepancy is simple:
 Thanks in large part to the difference between our two tax regimes, the
 relative rate of return on investment for an ethanol or biodiesel
 facility in the United States is much higher than that for the exact
 same facility in Canada. If we want to have a domestic renewable- fuels
 industry in Canada, then adopting tax parity with the United States is
 essential. The current gap could be addressed by creating a refundable
 tax credit to fuel producers of $.10/litre for ethanol and $.20/litre
 for biodiesel.

 Of course, when looking at the cost of such a policy, it is important to
 consider the cost savings that ethanol and biodiesel tax parity will
 generate in other priority policy

 areas, particularly in agriculture. Tax parity will create enormous new
 demand for Canadian grains and oilseeds, not to mention the economic
 spin-offs to rural communities. A thriving Canadian biofuels industry is
 a better way to increase profitability in agriculture than relying on ad
 hoc emergency payments, which last year cost Ottawa $755-million.

 The decision whether to create a vibrant biofuels industry in Canada and
 a new future for farmers, combined with lower greenhouse gases, now
 rests with our federal leaders in Ottawa. We hope they lead us to a
 homegrown biofuels future and not into the hands of our foreign
 competitors.

 - Kory Teneycke is the executive director of the Canadian Renewable
 Fuels Association. www.greenfuels.org.

 (c) National Post 2007



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Re: [Biofuel] Seed Companies Want To Ban Farm-saved Seed

[A. Lawrence]

Yoiks! Just a cursory read of this post makes me think of Windoze - the
seed version where every technical glitch is met with another genetic
patch... I don't really care much about computers and Windoze issues - can't
eat 'em... but I do care about someone monkeying with my food


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed Companies Want To Ban Farm-saved Seed


Latest Seedling magazine now available online

January 2007

Every day the biotechnology companies bombard us with their
publicity. We are told that eight million farmers throughout the
world are already enjoying higher yields and lower production costs
because of the benefits of genetically modified crops. And forever
dangled before us is the carrot of far greater improvements in the
future. We are promised that within a decade the biotech companies
will have designed crops that will deal with drought, salinisation
and all the other problems that we are likely to be facing as the
result of global warming and climate change.

But how true are these claims? Have hybrids and GM crops really
reduced costs and increased yields? And is this kind of farming
sustainable? It is often difficult to probe behind the hype of the
biotech companies and to find out what is happening on the ground. In
this edition, we have an extensive first-hand report from China about
the real impact of hybrid rice, http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=455
which now covers well over half of the area under rice cultivation in
this vast country. Another article brings together reports from many
different countries - Burkina Faso, China, India, Indonesia, South
Africa and the USA - about the impact of Monsanto's genetically
modified Bt cotton, http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=457 which has
now been on the market for a decade. The reports uncover profound
concerns among the farmers and a worrying lack of transparency among
the advocates of the new technologies. In both cases, it is clear
that, even if the new crops bring short-term benefits (and this is
not always the case), these can soon be outweighed by serious
long-term problems in both the financial and agronomic viability of
the new varieties.

The biotech companies' response to the plethora of problems is to
come up with another round of technical fixes. We are already hearing
about the second - and even third - generation of GM crops engineered
to deal with the problems created by the first generation. And so it
will continue.S Not surprisingly, many farmers throughout the world
are increasingly sceptical and are returning to the tried-and-tested
practices of agro-ecological farming. Support is growing for the
concept of food sovereignty - the idea that communities have the
right to define their own agricultural, pastoral, labour, fishing,
food and land policies, in accordance with their own ecological,
social, economic and cultural circumstances.

In this edition, we talk to two different proponents of food
sovereignty, one in Africa, one in India.
http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=456 Not surprisingly, their
strategies are different, for they come from very different parts of
the world, but they agree on one essential point - the need for local
farmers to be the ones who decide which crops they cultivate, what
farming methods they use and how their produce should be marketed. In
February advocates of food sovereignty from the five continents will
be meeting in Mali for the Forum for Food Sovereignty.

Click here to go to the publication
http://www.grain.org/seedling/?type=66


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Subject: [Biofuel] Seed Companies Want To Ban Farm-saved Seed


  New from GRAIN
  February 2007
  http://www.grain.org/?nfg=470
 
 
  SEED COMPANIES WANT TO BAN FARM-SAVED SEED
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Re: [Biofuel] Seed Companies Want To Ban Farm-saved Seed

[A. Lawrence]

So, when the farmers stop farming becauser they can't buy the seed, are the
big *head honchos* going to go hungry too?? Seems the only route left open
is to grow yer own - they can't toss everyone in the cooler for having
seeds... remember - we are the many - they are the few



- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Seed Companies Want To Ban Farm-saved Seed


 New from GRAIN
 February 2007
 http://www.grain.org/?nfg=470


 SEED COMPANIES WANT TO BAN FARM-SAVED SEED

 A new report from GRAIN reveals the new lobbying offensive from the
 global seed industry to make it a crime for farmers to save seeds for
 the next year's planting. This briefing traces the recent discussions
 within the seed industry and explores what will happen if a plant
 variety right becomes virtually indistinguishable from a patent.

 BACKGROUND

 Seed companies already have strong legal support from governments. In
 many countries, seed laws require farmers to use only certified seed
 of government-approved varieties. That seed is often available only
 from commercial seed companies.

 A rapidly increasing number of governments also grant legal monopoly
 rights for commercial seed, by means of industrial patents and
 so-called plant variety protection (PVP). Until recently, both seed
 patents and PVP existed only in developed countries. But since the
 World Trade Organisation (WTO) was created in 1994, all member
 governments must provide some form of monopoly rights on seeds. There
 is now enormous pressure on developing countries to adopt the
 developed country models. Many have been persuaded to join the
 international PVP system, managed by UPOV (International Union for
 the Protection of New Varieties of Plants). In the past ten years,
 UPOV has more than doubled its membership. Most new members are
 developing countries.

 The UPOV system was originally set up in 1961, in response to many
 years of lobbying by the seed industry. What the companies really
 wanted was to have industrial patents on seeds. Patents give absolute
 rights to control all uses of the seed, both for planting and for
 further breeding. But at the time many governments felt that patents
 would give industry too much power over farmers. The UPOV PVP was
 created as a compromise. From the beginning, it gave seed companies a
 monopoly on only the commercial multiplication and the marketing of
 seeds. Farmers remained free to save seed from their own harvest to
 plant in the following year, and other breeders could freely use any
 variety, protected or not, to develop a new one.

 During the 1980s, the development of genetic engineering attracted
 large transnational companies from the pharmaceuticals and chemical
 sectors into plant breeding. With their much greater lobbying power,
 they began a new offensive to strengthen monopoly rights on plant
 breeding in developed countries. First, they got industrial patents
 on plants bred with genetic engineering (GE) and related techniques.
 This meant, in practice, that they got the absolute monopoly that
 conventional breeders had been refused two decades earlier.

 Second, the UPOV PVP rights were radically expanded for all plant
 varieties, GE or conventional. Since 1991, the PVP monopoly has
 applied not only to seed multiplication but also to the harvest and
 sometimes the final product as well. The previously unlimited right
 for farmers to save seed for the following year's planting has been
 changed into an optional exception. Only if the national government
 allows it can farm-saved seed still be used, and a royalty has to be
 paid to the seed company even for seeds grown on-farm.

 Third, these much stronger monopoly rights are required for
 membership in the WTO, as already described. This is the starting
 point for the new lobby offensive now being prepared by the global
 seed industry. The goal this time is to remove the few remaining
 differences between the PVP system and patents, so that companies
 will have an absolute monopoly over seeds all over the world,
 regardless of which legal system is used, for all crops and all
 countries.

 THE REAL TARGET - FARM-SAVED SEED

 Farm-saved seed will be a primary target of this offensive. At least
 two-thirds of the global crop area is currently planted with
 farm-saved seed every year. In many developing countries, it
 represents 80--90 per cent of all seed used, but even in developed
 countries it commonly accounts for a large share (30--60 per cent).
 If farmers were legally forced to plant all of this area with
 commercial seed, it could easily mean a doubling of seed industry
 turnover, that is, an extra US$20 billion annually -- all taken out
 of farmers' pockets and delivered to transnational giants such as
 DuPont, Bayer, Syngenta, and Monsanto.

 Another key industry demand will be to restrict or eliminate the
 freedom to 

Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority

[A. Lawrence]

I hope they don't put any ethanol in my biodiesel...or anyone else's for that 
matter, but otherwise sounds good...
  - Original Message - 
  From: coastal view 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority


  just a simple FYI from a list lurker...


  
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/02/14/news/wyoming/3429ac0418e8ce2887257280007ab193.prt


  Ethanol from wood chips
  By BRANDON BENNETT
  Black Hills Pioneer 

  UPTON -- They're betting on the chips. Wood chips, that is.
  Scientists from the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology have designed 
a plant aimed at producing ethanol from wood chips.

  According to George Douglas of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in 
Golden, Colo., the planned facility in Upton would be the first of its kind in 
the nation. A second plant is planned in Georgia, he said.

  The plant, near completion in the Black Hills, could bring closer to fruition 
a goal set for the country by President Bush: to make more fuel from renewable 
sources.
  This is certainly the wave of the future, said Dr. David Dixon of SDSMT's 
Chemical and Bio-Engineering Department.

  Ethanol is widely produced today from corn and other food crops and used as 
an additive to gas and diesel fuel. Making fuel from wood chips and other 
nonfood crops is more difficult but has the potential to significantly alter 
our dependence oil.

  We must continue investing in new methods of producing ethanol, Bush said 
in his State of the Union address last month, including, using everything from 
wood chips to grasses to agricultural waste.

  Dixon teamed with Western Biomass Energy, a Rapid City, S.D.-based company, 
to help develop a plan to convert Black Hills forest waste into ethanol. The 
company is now building a plant in Upton on just under 5 acres and hopes to 
open its doors in March.

  The pilot plant is designed to produce 1 million gallons of fuel a year and 
could lead to a plant that would eventually produce as much as 20 million 
gallons of the fuel each year, using wood chips and wood residue as base 
material, according to President Randy Kramer.

  According to its Web site, Western Biomass works closely with KL Process 
Design Group, a company that operates three other ethanol plants in Greybull; 
Sutherland, Neb.; and Buffalo, N.Y. Those other plants use corn as the primary 
source for ethanol.

  The ethanol industry is growing by leaps and bounds, with 120 plants 
nationwide and 72 under construction. South Dakota boasts 12 plants with three 
more under construction. While the majority of ethanol plants use corn and 
other grains to make the fuel, a growing number worldwide are turning to wood, 
grasses and other plants for their needs.
  Countries such China, Canada and Spain have joined the United States in the 
pursuit of this new form of energy.

  Turning wood chips into ethanol is a little harder than with corn, so the 
South Dakota School of Mines and Technology has been developing new ways to do 
that, under the direction of Dixon.

  We just founded a biomass research center, and partnered with (South Dakota 
State University). Ethanol is going to be the primary focus of our efforts, 
Dixon said.
  The Center for Bioprocessing Research and Development was created after Gov. 
Mike Rounds said the state needed to be a leader in research and development of 
biofuels. The center was funded for five years at $500,000 per year. A group of 
10 instructors makes up the team of researchers, and they have experience in 
agricultural engineering, chemical and biological engineering, as well as 
biology and microbiology. The center joins four other research centers around 
South Dakota.

  With our dependence on oil, we found that this is a resource that is harder 
to get, Dixon said. And so we're looking at renewable resources like ethanol, 
or biodiesel, made from feedstocks that can be added to fuels like gas or 
diesel.

  While starch-based ethanol uses sugars as a starting point, cellulosic 
ethanol uses cellulose as a base. Cellulose is harder to break down than starch 
or sugar, so the School of Mines conducted research into making glucose out of 
cellulose, and then using microorganisms to ferment the mixture. Using 
cellulosic materials means being able to use the whole plant, making it 
potentially cheaper to procure.

  Cellulose is the primary part of the plant walls, lignin is the secondary 
part. Hemicellulose is the weaker part of the plant and can be easily 
dissolved, Dixon said. Once that is done, it can be turned into glucose, a 
natural plastic. It's this that is turned into ethanol.
  He said while this process is more expensive, the research being done may 
make it more efficient. He added the benefits outweigh the cost of producing 
this type of ethanol.
  This different process in distilling ethanol will help lessen the need 

Re: [Biofuel] It's clean air vs. TV in poor India village

[A. Lawrence]

I also - runs great on B100 - I use it at work for portable power...
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] It's clean air vs. TV in poor India village


 I have one of these - I run it on biodiesel.

 -Weaver


 BAHARBARI, India: A toxic purple haze of diesel exhaust hangs over the
 rice and jute fields here in northern India, and bird songs are
 frequently drowned out by the chug-a-chug-a- chug of diesel generators.

 Across the developing world, cheap diesel generators from China and
 elsewhere have become a favorite way to make electricity. They power
 everything from irrigation pumps to television sets, allowing growing
 numbers of rural villages in many poor countries to grow more crops and
 connect to the wider world.

 But as the demand increases for the electricity that makes those
 advances possible, it is often being met through the dirtiest, most
 inefficient means, creating pollution problems in many remote areas that
 used to have pristine air and negligible emissions of carbon dioxide,
 the main global warming gas.

 http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/08/business/village.php?page=1


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Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?

[A. Lawrence]

Nothing is illegal until (unless) you get caught...


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?


 Raw milk, but it's illegal

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which taste do you prefer, John?
 
 Doug Woodard
 St. Catharines, ontario
 
 
 On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote:
 
 
 
 I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter.  But
I
 live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for
 significant savings.  But I have to share the fact that the taste of
 Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm
sure
 our commercial factory farms do some of the same things.
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus

[A. Lawrence]

Witness composting toilets... are they not doing the same thing you are,
albeit in a different manner??


- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: humanure to humus


 Can anyone help Tom?

 He's not a list member, but I'll refer him to any discussions here.

 Thanks!

 All best

 Keith


 From: tom habasco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: humanure to humus
 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006
 
 Hello my name is Tom Habasco and I will be going into circuit court
 in order to defend my right to compost. I am the 5th generation of
 organic farming family.We have known of the benefits of this for
 many decades.
   Unfortunately the local health people tell me it is illegal for me
 to compost humanure, as it is explained by Joseph Jenkins in his
 book.Now they have a signed order which makes my home and lifestyle
 illegal . They say that there is no scientific proof that composting
 humanure works or that it is safe. I personally have been growing
 fruits and veggie's for the plate to eat for many years. In my
 defense I must say I have never become ill from my gardens. I have
 no illness whatsoever and take no medication for anything.
   How do we convince these youngsters at the so called health
 dept's that composting is safe and a much better approach to our
 handling of the environment than there septic approach?
   I need proof and support that you may have to fight for my right
 to own property live on that property, farm my small gardens 
 under half acre of gardens and compost including humanure.If I fail
 at this I will be ordered off my property and my home will be moved
 away by them at my cost.
  This is not an option , that is why it is of the utmost importance
 that I seek help from like minded people like you to help[ support
 me and my decision to make a lifestyle change and help the earth by
 becoming less dependant on fossil fuels like oil.
  Thank you for your time, if you can please respond before Jan 3 2007,


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Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump

[A. Lawrence]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:06 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor 
  as a Vacuum Pump
  
  Hi Al;I'm curious now about the details. Do you have any 
  feeling about what the throughput of that compressor is when used as a vacuum 
  pump?
  
  I use it on a 250 gal ex-propane 
  tank (decertified) and it seems to work just fine... it's a little slow, but I 
  have all day, and it takes that long to heat that volume of oil to evap. 
  temp
  
  I typically remove about 250 ml of water from oil by vacuum drying 
  ( any settled water was drained after heating to 58 deg C prior to this so it 
  is all adsorbed water) from 25 litres of oil or about 1 percent. It 
  takes about half an hour to reach 28" Hg vacuum.
  
  generally it takes a while (most all day) to heat 
  the oil to a temp where the water becomes vapour, whereupon I condense it in 
  another tank... the low pressure area makes it easier to "boil off" the water 
  held in suspension in the oil Just how much water, I've never measured as 
  my suppliers vary, as does quality of wvo... I pull about 27" and hold it 
  there - I have a clear (translucent) tube that I can peer at now and again and 
  see if I'm still getting any water out theoretically, at 27" and 50C (I 
  think was the magical temp) the water should all be gone, but I watch the tube 
  anyway
  
  
  But my pump is highly throttled for most of that time except at the 
  end to prevent boilover. I could use a smaller pump I guess. 

  
  The important part that escaped me initially 
  (hence the meltdown) with the first compressor is - don't run it all the time 
  during drying it'll overheat, pop the built-in breaker, and won't last at 
  all... I just feel the compressor to see what temp it is, and if i think it's 
  had enough for a bit, I let it rest (I know - very 
scientific)
  
  
  How does this compare to your findings? What ultimate vacuum do you 
  reach?
  
  Gauge says I reach 27-28"... 
  
  What steps do you take to keep moisture out of the pump during this 
  process? 
  
  I don't take any steps for that, unless you refer 
  to my condensing tank, which is, imho, an absolute must... where else would 
  the moisture go?? One certainly doesn't want it condensing in the 
  compressor... that'd be a death sentence for it right away
  
  How long does the pump last before it fails?
  
  The first one proved to be only fool-resistant to 
  a low level, as I tend to be a fairly determined fool... the second one has 
  much more experience, as do I... it's lasted almost a year now - added no oil, 
  nor have I done anything special, other than being "somewhat" careful of the 
  temp... If I can't hold the back of my fingers on it without wanting to pull 
  away right away ( scientifically measured) it's not too hot... too hot to the 
  touch, is too hot, and time to let it cool...

  I see you're Canadian, are you in the KW area? 
  
  West coast guy - on the island...
  
  KW surplus had a whole bunch of brand new refrigeration type compressors 
  for 10 bucks each.
  
  I got both of mine for the labour and time to 
  remove them gotta like that
  
   I almost bought one but decided to check first with a HVAC guy I 
  know and he felt it wouldn't last long since it apparently relies on 
  lubrication which is disolved in the freon.
  
  That may be entirely possible - all I know 
  about refrigeration is that it keeps beer cold... g
  
  
   Sounds like he was wrong. 
  
  Possible, but as I noted, beer's cold, fridge is 
  working - beyond that, I couldn't argue with any authority...
  
  You say you've been doing this for 'quite a while' how long is 
that?
  
  Been 'vacuuming' for about a year now - someone 
  else mentioned crushing their drum... yep, I did too - they just don't make 
  'em like they used to you'll need a substantial tank of some sort to 
  withstand the crushing pressure of the atmosphere... as I noted earlier, I 
  just use a decommissioned propane tank...if they'll take pressure, they'll 
  take vacuum
Al
  JoeA. Lawrence wrote:
  

I have been using a fridge compressor for quite 
a while now and yes, I roasted one, but that was due more to bungling and 
inexperience than any fault of the compressor... I find it to work superbly 
for vacuum drying of water fromWVO... In fact, for anyone planning to 
use one, I would highly recommend it... As for any use involving methanol 
extraction, I would shy far away from that - there are much safer and better 
methods previously discussed...

A big bonus is that they are usually free for 
the asking from appliance repair outfits, trash disposal companies etc. Just 
*be sure* that the refrigerant has been recovered. (Done by a refrigeration 
c

Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump

[A. Lawrence]

I have been using a fridge compressor for quite a 
while now and yes, I roasted one, but that was due more to bungling and 
inexperience than any fault of the compressor... I find it to work superbly for 
vacuum drying of water fromWVO... In fact, for anyone planning to use one, 
I would highly recommend it... As for any use involving methanol extraction, I 
would shy far away from that - there are much safer and better methods 
previously discussed...

A big bonus is that they are usually free for the 
asking from appliance repair outfits, trash disposal companies etc. Just *be 
sure* that the refrigerant has been recovered. (Done by a refrigeration 
company)Any loss of that (the refrigerant) to the atmosphere will 
absolutely negate any of the good things we are trying to accomplish here... My 
0.02¢ Cdn, Al

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:32 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor 
  as a Vacuum Pump
  Hi Tom;Not for long. Refrigeration compressors 
  rely on lubricant in the refrigerant charge and anyways you will always get 
  some moisture or in the case of vacuum methanol recovery, some methanol that 
  gets past the liquid trap and condenses in your vacuum pump. This would 
  kill a refrig type compressor in short order I would guess. But why not 
  use the refrigeration system to cool your condenser? That way you use 
  some electricity instead of water for cooling and the condenser efficiency 
  would be much better.JoeThomas Kelly wrote:
  



 A couple of months ago 
a post suggested using a refrigerator compressor as a vacuum pump. I just 
accidentally destroyed the refrigerator that I had been using for my "kegs" 
of homebrewed beer. The compressor still works.
 Will it work as a 
vacuum pump on my processor?

 
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Industry Girds For Sprawling E.U. Regulatory Scheme

[A. Lawrence]

Some interesting takes - esp. the last comment about trusting the EU...
would we rather trust a chemical mfr.?? Although this seems somewhat
cumbersome, so are diseases and eaths caused by safe chemicals... safe
according to the mfrs... DDT was the best thing ever for pests not so
good for everything else though... anyway, I'm sure you get the idea...
Won't be long and I'll become a Raging Grandpa grouch about all this
crap... g


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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Industry Girds For Sprawling E.U. Regulatory Scheme


 http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_industry_girds_for_reach.061013.htm

 Greenwire, October 13, 2006

 Industry Girds For Sprawling E.U. Regulatory Scheme

 [Rachel's introduction: The chemical industry continues to oppose
 REACH, Europe's proposed new precautionary chemicals policy -- but
 the handwriting is on the wall. REACH is coming, in one form or
 another.]

 By Russell J. Dinnage

 A landmark European Commission plan for overhauling chemical
 regulations is on its way to becoming law.

 Five years in the making, REACH -- the Registration, Evaluation,
 Authorization and Restriction of Chemicals Act -- is a 600-page tome
 that has been making the rounds in government offices and corporate
 headquarters throughout Europe, generating thousands of public
 comments for European Union officials to review. The proposal is on
 track to become law sometime next year.

 Some experts are questioning U.S. readiness for a such a sweeping
 proposal that figures to reshape the global regulatory landscape for
 chemical manufacturers and all businesses that use chemicals.

 Businesses in the United States are completely not focused on this
 topic, said Angela Logomasini, who tracks risk and environmental
 policy for the Washington-based Competitive Enterprise Institute.
 The reality of REACH is that it will affect everything in the
 business. From downstream manufacturers, importers, domestic users -- 
 people are not aware that it could become a globally focused
 phenomenon.

 But it is not easy to assess REACH's effect on U.S. interests. There
 is, first of all, a lack of consensus about how deeply the law would
 dig into industry's bottom line.

 The Bush administration, for example, considers REACH a very
 important issue, but it has yet to produce an official evaluation of
 its potential economic impact on the U.S. chemical industry, said
 Matt Braud, spokesman for the Department of Commerce's International
 Trade Administration.

 Nonetheless, the administration has a strong opinion on REACH. In
 our view, and as expressed by many other governments, the E.U.'s
 proposal remains overly expansive, burdensome and would be difficult
 to implement effectively, Braud said. We believe the E.U.'s stated
 objectives of protecting human health and the environment are worthy
 policy goals; however, achieving those goals must be applied in ways
 that are consistent with the E.U.'s obligations to its trading
 partners under the World Trade Organization.

 Small and mid-sized U.S. chemical companies are keenly aware of REACH
 and are actively preparing for its impacts, said Jim Cooper, a
 spokesman for the Synthetic Organic Chemical Manufacturers
 Association.

 The American Chemistry Council, which represents large companies, did
 not return calls for comment on REACH's potential financial effect,
 and DuPont Chemical Corp. spokesman Dan Turner said the company is
 examining REACH but it does not have any comprehensive financial
 impact estimates yet. A price tag in the billions

 REACH would require the registration of more than 30,000 chemical
 substances used in manufacturing within 11 years for the stated
 purpose of protecting human and environmental health. The proposal
 resembles the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act,
 which regulates pesticides in the United States.

 A November 2005 Government Accountability Office report said REACH
 would eliminate the distinction between new and existing chemicals
 and require chemical companies to submit certain basic information on
 chemical products produced over certain volumes.

 Specifically, REACH affects all chemicals manufactured in or imported
 into the European Union in quantities of 1,000 kilograms (2,204.6
 pounds) or more.

 REACH's Article 23 requires all chemical companies doing business in
 Europe to submit testing data to the new European Chemicals Agency.
 If a substance has qualities deemed carcinogenic, mutagenic or
 toxic, further testing must be conducted at a company's expensive on
 animals and results submitted to the agency for a safety review.

 Of 30,000 substances expected to come under regulation in 2010, 1,500
 are estimated to have carcinogenic qualities, the European Union says.

 No one can say with certainty how much it will cost to register a
 substance. But the E.U.'s 2003 Extended 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES

[A. Lawrence]

Since when does an apology cost money?? 
Sheesh...



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirk 
  McLoren 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:54 
  PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: CANADIAN POLICE 
  OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES
  
  How about restitution of lost wages and payment for pain and sudffering? 
  Talk is cheap.
  Kirk
  

CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL 
APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES 
Errors Led to Torture of 
Innocent Man
By Doug 
Struck
Washington Post Foreign 
ServiceFriday, September 29, 2006; Page A16
TORONTO, Sept. 28 -- 
Canada's top Mountie apologized Thursday for the "terrible injustices" done 
to a Canadian Muslim spirited to Syria and tortured for 10 months on false 
suspicions of terrorist ties. Critics of the government demanded that the 
prime minister offer his own apology.
Giuliano Zaccardelli, 
commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, directed his remarks to 
Maher Arar, 36, who four years ago was detained at a New York airport and 
delivered to a Syrian prison by U.S. agents. Those agents were working on 
false information given to them by Canada.
"Mr. Arar, I wish to 
take this opportunity to express publicly to you and to your wife and to 
your children how truly sorry I am" for RCMP actions that led to "the 
terrible injustices that you experienced and the pain that you and your 
family endured," Zaccardelli said, testifying before a parliamentary 
committee.
The remarks on the 
Arar case were Zaccardelli's first since a judicial inquiry on the 
controversy was released Sept. 18. The inquiry found that RCMP agents had 
given exaggerated and often flat-out false reports to U.S. intelligence 
agents, suggesting that Arar had terrorist connections and was the subject 
of a terrorist investigation. In fact, the exhaustive inquiry found, he was 
an innocent computer programmer.
The United States 
sent Arar to Syria as part of its "extraordinary rendition" program, in 
which terrorist suspects are secretly dispatched to other countries, some of 
which are known to torture prisoners and practice brutal interrogation 
methods. U.S. officials have not acknowledged Arar's innocence or any 
wrongdoing on their part.
Political critics 
excoriated Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Thursday for balking at 
extending the same apology made by the RCMP commissioner. The House of 
Commons unanimously voted last week that "apologies should be presented" to 
Arar. But Harper's government has said any such formal _expression_ from the 
government must be part of a negotiated settlement to compensate the father 
of two children, ages 9 and 4.
"Canada owes a moral 
debt to Mr. Arar and his children," Marlene Jennings, a Liberal Party 
lawmaker from Quebec, said in debate in the House of Commons. "The 
Conservative government has yet to apologize. Surely compassion is not a 
matter of negotiation."
"The government 
agrees that Mr. Arar was the victim of a great injustice," responded Jason 
Kenney, the Conservative Party parliamentary secretary to Harper. "But we 
have a responsibility to the taxpayers to ensure that the result will be 
responsible financially."
Arar returned to 
Canada after his imprisonment in a coffin-size dungeon in Syria and has 
campaigned to clear his name.
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Re: [Biofuel] Global Meltdown Feared - Vancouver Sun - 2006.09.25

[A. Lawrence]

Well done...however, when the gov't has their collective heads jammed firmly
in their collective ... uh sand, they still won't be able to read the
report, thus creating plausible deniability... welcome to Harpers (bizarre)
Gov't... We all know where the hand goes to run a hand puppet, and we all
know who's hand is running that puppet...


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Global Meltdown Feared - Vancouver Sun - 2006.09.25



http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/features/energy/story.html?id=62464470-b75f-4b26-8360-f17b9a8e5249

 Scott Simpson
 Vancouver Sun

 Monday, September 25, 2006

 CREDIT: Nathan VanderKlippe, CanWest News Service
 Warm weather came nearly a month early in many parts of the Arctic,
 melting sea ice and setting the pace for another warm year. With
 Photograph by : Nathan VanderKlippe, CanWest News Service

 A landmark climate change report coming early next year will reveal such a
 strong link between global warming and fossil fuels that the world will
 have to end its addiction to oil, says a leading Canadian climate
 researcher.

 Ignoring the findings of the report will lead to widespread environmental
 catastrophes, Andrew Weaver added.

 We do not need more research to tell us what the first-order problem is,
 and what needs to be done, said Weaver, Canada research chairman at the
 University of Victoria's school of earth and ocean sciences.

 He is one of the authors of a climate change report -- the first major
 study since 2001 -- that will be released next year by an international
 panel of scientists.

 He was recently interviewed as part of The Vancouver Sun's series on
 energy and the tough choices ahead for Canada in its role as the world's
 most energy-dependent nation. Today's stories look at how the warming
 climate is changing British Columbia's forest environment and threatening
 migrating salmon.

 Weaver said the new report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel
 on Climate Change will take an unprecedented stance on the urgency of
 government measures to curb fossil fuel emissions from the combustion of
 oil, natural gas and coal.

 The strongest comment in the panel's last report, in 2001, was that most
 global warming in the last 50 years was attributable to human activity.

 This time around, he expects readers will be stunned by the size and scope
 of environmental problems that the report will link to fossil fuel
 combustion.

 Weaver said climate change has been detected in patterns of rainfall,
 rising sea levels, forest fires, extreme weather events -- and even the
 availability of drinking water supplies.

 We need to move to a complete and utter change in our energy systems so
 that we no longer rely on fossil fuels. Period, Weaver said in an
 interview.

 I can tell you for sure that the statements in that report will be far
 stronger than what existed in 2001. It will be flabbergastingly stronger.

 Weaver pointed to an exclusive story last week in The Sun about the
 disappearance of glaciers in Garibaldi Provincial Park, as an indicator of
 just one of the challenges humanity will face as the warming trend
 proceeds.

 Simon Fraser University researcher Johannes Koch studied 15 glaciers in
 the park and found they are at their smallest levels in at least 4,500 to
 8,000 years -- and are shrinking faster than at any time in their history.

 Weaver noted the Garibaldi trend is being repeated at virtually every
 glacier in the world.

 There are communities in this country that rely on summer melt for their
 water. If these glaciers are on their way out, as you know from Garibaldi,
 it creates rather a predicament.

 Weaver believes the momentum for change is accelerating, and noted several
 events last week as proof.

 Flamboyant Virgin Group founder Richard Branson announced he would donate
 $3 billion over 10 years to help combat global warming.

 Branson plans to donate all the profits from his airline and train
 services. He made the announcement last Thursday at a Global Initiative
 conference organized by former United States president Bill Clinton.

 Closer to home, Canadian and British researchers published a new study
 that finds clearly detectable evidence of human-caused warming in
 regions around the world, including Canada.

 Study co-author Francis Zwiers, a Victoria-based researcher with the
 Meteorological Service of Canada, said there is a large body of research
 pointing the finger at human-caused greenhouse gas emissions pushing up
 temperature on a global scale.

 Virtually everybody who looks at this comes up with the same conclusion,
 Zwiers said.

 Zwiers said the new study, presented in Journal of Climate this month,
 shows clearly detectable climate impacts right down to regional levels in
 Canada and elsewhere.

 This isn't the only study to have done this. But this is the first study
 to use multiple 

Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc

[A. Lawrence]

  You don't really think he's Mensa level do you?? 
  I think Keith nailed it with hiscomments about sociopathy... they too, 
  are "out there" and have opinions - which unfortunately are often skewed by 
  their disorder (when untreated) Life as we know it, goes on...
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fred 
  Finch 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive 
  etc
  
  On 9/13/06, Keith 
  Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  You're 
a noble man Fred. Sorry to say the chances of it happeningwould have 
been zilch. "Would have been" because it's too late forthat, it went too 
far. I doubt an apology would have been acceptable 
anyway.RegardsKeith
  I like to think that given a chance he might have come around. 
  Alas, the decision has been made.This is the second Mensa clown that 
  stumbled to the group only to make an ass out of himself. Why is 
  that? Is there a requirement that you have to be heartless and souless 
  to become a member? Perhaps they are too smart for their own 
  good,fred
  On 
9/13/06, Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:I just have to say, I think its rather 
funny that my personal beliefs can cause such a shit 
storm-Original 
Message-From:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
lelists.org[mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]biofuel-bounces@ sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of 
David PenfoldSent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AMTo: 
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: 
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etcThor,it's 
not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would 
beperfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to 
get your oil.You're a small-minded 
idiot.Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 
08:58:24 -0700 From: "Thor Burfine" mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 
Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Message-ID:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ced72aa8928b4ffdb[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 
  
 
The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive 
 politicly correct are offended  
My work is done  
  
 
From: bob allen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: mailto: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney  so mensa is a 
society for the insensitive, even cruel?   Thor 
Burfine wrote:   Actually, Mensa   
  I just don't give a shi.. 
 
      *From*: "Fred Finch"  
 *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM   *To*: 
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
 And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers 
   as well... On 
9/13/06, *Thor Burfine*  wrote:
 Well I will admit, I have the 
subtlety of a sledgehammer   
   
 
     *From*: Joe Street
   *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM 
*To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org   *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] 
Disney   This offends 
me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be   turned 
to glass as well.  Thor Burfine 
wrote: snip  
   My feeling on the middle east... we can drill 
for oil through glass 
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

[A. Lawrence]

And they'll laugh you right out of the station - 
sad, but true... unless of course, the grease came from their favorite donut 
shop...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Thor Burfine 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:46 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen 
Grease
  truea lock keeps an honest 
  person honesta 12 guage keeps a thief awayI would report the 
  theft to the police
  
  From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 
  September 08, 2006 11:43 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: 
  Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease 5 seconds and a bolt cutter... no 
  matchThor Burfine wrote:  has anybody thought of 
  welding little chains to thier drums, say about  4ft long and locking 
  them to the fence?  hasp and padlock on the lid? 
  better yet, drill hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad lock  
  the ring
   
  *From*: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent*: Friday, 
  September 08, 2006 7:53 AM *To*: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  *Subject*: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease  Well, it finally happened 
  to me. I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of  waste grease behind the 
  local pizzeria taken on me the other day. I  live in a small town 
  where things like this don't happen-or do they? I  originally had the 
  owner's permission to keep it there-right next to the  large 
  commercial grease dumpster. The agreement he made with me was  that he 
  would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the  rest 
  he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it  
  processed fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a metal container 
   because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the 
   container and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and it was 
  working  out nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that 
  it was  his and for his use, since it was on his property. I was 
  driving to  work yesterday and noticed it was not there. That night, I 
  went in and  asked him if he knew where it was. He said that he 
  thought that I had  taken it and didn't think anything of it. He told 
  me that  the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk 
  container with  locks on it because they are experiencing more and 
  more grease  theft. The owner does not particulary like to pay for 
  grease disposal,  but does not have many options since he wants to do 
  the right thing when  it comes to disposal. I stated that I most 
  likely would not put another  metal drum behind his eatery because 
  this would happen again. He  agreed. Even though it is more work for 
  him, the owner told me he would  pour off the grease once cooled back 
  into the 5 gal. polys that it comes  in for me. This will work out 
  better for me anyways. I just don't  understand why people think they 
  can take something that does not belong  to them without asking first. 
  Most people get upset when you take  something without asking, but if 
  you ask first, many times they will  give it to you. Thanks to the 
  members here for listening to me vent  some frustration. Jonathan. 

   
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

[A. Lawrence]

You can buy what's called a "chime ring" here in 
the Great White North, and there's already a place for a lock... I use a small 
chain locked to a fencepost (c/w fence) and so far (knock wood) haven't had it 
disappear again... it's just stopgap...if they want it, they'll still get it - 
just not as easy...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Thor Burfine 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen 
Grease
  has anybody thought of welding 
  little chains to thier drums, say about 4ft long and locking them to the 
  fence?hasp and padlock on the lid?  better yet, drill 
  hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad lock the 
  ring
  
  From: Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: 
  [Biofuel] Stolen Grease Well, it finally happened to me. 
  I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of waste grease behind the local pizzeria 
  taken on me the other day. I live in a small townwhere things like 
  this don't happen-or do they? I originally had the owner's permission to 
  keep it there-right next to the large commercial grease dumpster. The 
  agreement he made with me was that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum 
  until it was full and the rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I 
  could not get it processed fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a 
  metal container because hepreferred to pour his grease hot out of the 
  fryer into the container and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and 
  it was working out nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them 
  that it was his and for his use, since it was on his property. I was 
  driving to work yesterdayand noticed it was not there. That night, 
  I wentin and asked himifhe knewwhere it was. He 
  said that hethought that I had taken it and didn't think anything of 
  it. He told me that thecommercial grease hauler is 
  bringinghim a new bulk container with locks on it because they are 
  experiencing more and more grease theft.The owner does not 
  particulary like to pay for grease disposal, but does not have many options 
  since he wants to do the right thingwhen it comes to disposal. I 
  stated that I most likely would not put another metal drumbehind 
  hiseatery becausethis would happen again. He 
  agreed.Even though it is more work for him, the ownertold me 
  he would pour off the grease once cooledback into the 5 gal. polys 
  thatit comes in for me. This will work out better for me 
  anyways. Ijust don't understand whypeople think they can 
  take something that does not belong to themwithout asking 
  first.Most people get upset when you take something without 
  asking, but if you askfirst, many times theywill give it to 
  you. Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent some 
  frustration. 
  Jonathan. 
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

[A. Lawrence]

same thing happened to me - only I had "exclusive" 
oil rights - no commercial tank... now I lock the drum in place...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jonathan Schearer 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:38 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease
  Well, it finally happened to me. I had a 30 gallon steel 
  drum full of waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other 
  day. I live in a small townwhere things like this don't happen-or 
  do they? I originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right 
  next to the large commercial grease dumpster. The agreement he made with 
  me was that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the 
  rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it processed 
  fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a metal container because 
  hepreferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the container 
  and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and it was working out 
  nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was his and 
  for his use, since it was on his property. I was driving to work 
  yesterdayand noticed it was not there. That night, I wentin 
  and asked himifhe knewwhere it was. He said that 
  hethought that I had taken it and didn't think anything of it. He 
  told me that thecommercial grease hauler is bringinghim a new bulk 
  container with locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease 
  theft.The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease 
  disposal, but does not have many options since he wants to do the right 
  thingwhen it comes to disposal. I stated that I most likely would 
  not put another metal drumbehind hiseatery becausethis would 
  happen again. He agreed.Even though it is more work for him, 
  the ownertold me he would pour off the grease once cooledback into 
  the 5 gal. polys thatit comes in for me. This will work out better 
  for me anyways. Ijust don't understand whypeople think they 
  can take something that does not belong to themwithout asking 
  first.Most people get upset when you take something without 
  asking, but if you askfirst, many times theywill give it to 
  you. Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent some 
  frustration. 
  Jonathan. 
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] New member - NIR biodiesel testing

[Aaron Lawrence]

Thanks for the speedy response.

Keith Addison wrote:

  Hello Aaron

  
  
Hello everyone,

I just recently joined the mailing list after finishing the processing
of my first test batch.  I used the 1L test batch method listed on JTF
using ~85% KOH, Dri-Gas, and new VO from the supermarket.  I stir washed
it until the wash water and biodiesel appeared crystal clear.  I dried
the biodiesel by heating it to 130degrees F and then letting it cool.
The final product looks good from what I have compared it to on JTF.

I plan to do a few test batches with the new VO and then a few test
batches using WVO.  Before I do another test batch I wanted to quantify
my results by testing it.  I'm a senior computer/electrical engineering
attending the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth.  I'm no chemist
by any means but I know a couple people in the Chem department and I'm
pretty sure they have an NIR machine.

I was wondering how skilled a person would need to be in NIR testing to
be able to test the biodiesel and tell me how it matches up against the
US ASTM spec and the German DIN spec.  Would I be better off sending a
sample to an experienced lab?  If anyone has experience sending samples
out, are there any labs you'd recommend?  How costly is the testing?

  
  
Well, there's no need to go to all that trouble, NIR is overkill. You 
don't say if you checked your first batch with the prescribed quality 
control tests. This is the sixth step in making your first test batch:

6. Quality
Proceed to the wash-test to check the quality. If your biodiesel 
doesn't pass the test, here's what to do next.

wash-test
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality

here's what to do next
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo

Please see these Gas Chromatograph test results:

http://snipurl.com/pie8
[Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
11 Apr 2006

"So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the 
Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your 
processing... it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' 
cheapo kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a 
high-quality product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path 
is the way to go."

  


Sorry, I did omit the wash-test step in my email but rest assured, I
didn't omit it in the process. The first attempt at the wash test
yielded lots of emulsion. I had bought my KOH from a soap supplier and
they had specified 99% pure NaOH but no specification on the KOH. I
assumed it was left out by accident and used 4.9g of KOH. After I got
lots of emulsion on the wash test I sent out an email to the company
and found out that the KOH was ~85%. I reprocessed with 4.9g KOH and
100mL methanol (a slight modification from the recommendation on JTF if
the wash test didn't go well). After the second processing the product
seemed to pass the wash test without a problem and a lot more glycerol
was collected on the bottom layer.

I have read that biodiesel, even if it passes the US ASTM spec, may
cause injector coking over time (
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/EthylWVO.pdf ). I know a
lot of people around me who are skeptical about the cleanliness of
biodiesel since diesels in the US have earned the reputation of being
"dirty". I want to have some credible consistent numbers behind my
fuel. I would like to know that it meets the German DIN spec since
this is the spec Volkswagen cites in their warranties for new vehicles.

I can see that GC testing at a commercial lab is quite out of my
range. NIR is supposed to be a lot easier and quicker from what I've
read and heard. My sister is a Biology graduate from my university and
had to use the NIR machine once or twice in her Organic Chem lab. They
had a graduate student actually operating the machine. Apparently it
only takes a couple minutes to actually run the test itself and then
it's just dealing with the graphs. Also, one of my friends is a senior
in Chem and works in a lab doing HPLC which I may be able to get access
to.

It seems I have two testing methods that I may be able to use: NIR and
HPLC. Is GC better suited than these two in testing biodiesel?

I have found these two articles on JTF dealing with NIR testing with
biodiesel:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR1.html
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR2.html



Thanks

-Aaron



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Re: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud: researchers

[A. Lawrence]

I read somewhere (may even have been on this list) that the incentives for
alternate fuels (i.e. biodiesel) from the gov't totalled a whopping 18
mil... that sum was for all alternate fuel sectors (as I understood
it) Big oil was awarded a paltry 40 Billion to explore...  like they
don't have any money of their own to invest... that speaks a volume to me...
and not in very nice language either...

Kyoto shot down?? Same reasons... not at all popular with big oil because it
cuts directly (or should) into their bottom line, so their bottom line to
gov't is simple - drop Kyoto, or think about going back to a real job in the
private sector instead of playing Mr./Mrs./Ms. Politician... Care to guess
how those Kyoto targets suddenly became too optimistic to meet ??

One more little tidbit... just *try* to get a license/permit to operate a
still to make ethanol... *If* you manage to even get close enough to a gov't
person to actually apply for one, I sincerely hope you have another (good
paying) job, and you are only about 20-23 years old... 25 at the most... by
the time you hit retirement age, you *might* have made your way through the
maze of red tape, red herrings, red faces (temper control) ad infinitum, to
finally arrive at being allowed to run a still... *However*... *If* you
happen to be Big Oil, how many stills would you like, how soon, and how much
do you need to get set up??... As I said... Cynical? You bet...


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From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud:
researchers


 I didn't know that you guys in Canada had the same
 problem as we do in the US. Our govenment is totally
 controlled by big corporations.
 Ken

 --- A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The only real plan (Liberal or Conservative) is to
  keep big business
  feeding their election campaigns... They (big biz)
  won't  feed the election
  coffers unless they're allowed to continue business
  as usual... Us little
  guys and home producers couldn't hope to contribute
  at big biz levels, even
  if we were of a mind to...  Money talks. BS
  walks and big biz hasn't
  the mindset to change anything - unless it increases
  the bottom line...
  Cynical? You bet...
 
  Al
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:37 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse
  emissions a dud: researchers
 
 
   The results of the study come as no surprise,
  sadly.  The Liberal
   administrations were more interested in photo-ops
  than results.
   While the new Conservative administration claims
  to have a
   made-in-Canada plan, suspicions are it's a
  made-in-neocon-USA plan.
 Personally, I'd welcome any real plan on the
  subject.
  
   
  
 
 http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602651.html
  
   May 28, 2006
   By DENNIS BUECKERT
  
   OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberals' $12-billion plan to
  implement the Kyoto
   Protocol over seven years would have been largely
  ineffective, says an
   as-yet unpublished report by the C.D. Howe
  Institute.
  
   The report, marked do not cite or circulate, was
  written before the
   current government axed Project Green, as the plan
  was dubbed, and may
   have been a factor in the Conservatives' decision
  to scrap it.
  
   Project Green largely relied on voluntary measures
  and incentives which
   have been shown not to work, says the study, which
  sarcastically calls
   the package Project Dream.
  
   This policy approach will fail dramatically to
  meet national objectives
   and yet will entail a substantial cost, says the
  report, whose lead
   author is Mark Jaccard of Simon Fraser University.
  
   The study was written in April and obtained by The
  Canadian Press on the
   weekend. It is finally expected to be made public
  this week.
  
   The report says Project Green would have cost $12
  billion by 2012, with
   much of that money being spent outside Canada.
  
   It would have reduced emissions by 175 megatonnes
  compared with a
   business-as-usual scenario, far short of the 230
  to 300 Mt. reduction
   required to meet Canada's Kyoto target.
  
   Efforts like the One Tonne Challenge advertising
  campaign, which urged
   individuals to reduce their own greenhouse
  emissions through lifestyle
   changes, have negligible effect, says the study.
  
   The policy approach of Canada since 1990 and
  continued with Project
   Green is clearly ineffective in causing the
  disconnection of GHG
   (greenhouse gas) emissions from the economic
  output that must take place
   if these emissions are to be reduced and their
  atmospheric
   concentrations stabilized at low risk levels.
  
   Canada's domestic emissions remain on a path that
  would miss its Kyoto
   target

Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning

[A. Lawrence]

The surest sign that there is other intelligent life out here is that fact
that it hasn't stopped to see what we're up to...


- Original Message - 
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning


 ET is ET until they actually come down here and say Hi. when or if they do
i
 will put some thought to it, but only then.
 - Original Message - 
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 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning


  Allen,
 
  I never felt Kirk's reply nit-picking, I was just a bit confused.
  Anyway ET rarely enters my though process, unless someone brings it up.
  I would be surprised if ET does exist, nor will I be disappointed
  if I go to my grave not knowing the answer. I have no speculation if ET
  is peaceful or not.
  --
  Doug, N0LKK
  Kansas USA
 
  E. C. wrote:
  Doug;
 
  your meaning was crystal clear to me,  i am an
  English major (more precisely, was, since i never
  followed the career path i trained for in college).
  In point of fact, your response said what i tried to,
  but more succinctly  to the point.  Kudos.  :-)~
 
  Kirk;
 
  I looked back in my archived file to see if your
  nit-pick was justified,  didn't find it so, IMHO --
  but hey, to err is human,  i've been called on gaffes
  i've made before.
 
  Since you brought it up (the ET comment) -- a couple i
  know has acquainted me with the fact that there's a
  fair number of folks who fervently believe that,
  indeed, the human species IS descended from
  cross-breeding between early hominids and ET visitors
  from space (there being no clearly-defined missing
  link in the fossil record).  True or not, we humans
  are a relatively new experiment in Earth's evolution
  -- and may not have a very long chapter in that
  history if we don't learn to overcome our aggressive,
  egocentric management style.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery Results

[A. Lawrence]

- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery Results


Joe,
Good idea, but ... no, I don't have any unused Zeolite.

I dried them on a cool, clear day    low humidity. I find it hard to
believe that they could have absorbed 10% of their weight in water from the
air   but that would account for the weight gain by the control.

 I'll try drying the zeolite from the control gently   ... raise the
temp slowly  cool slowly. It seems that regenerating them w. heat (400F)
damages the pores    expansion and contraction. Gentle heat w. vacuum is
the way to go.

A vacuum pump may be in my near future.

A compressor from a tossed (junk) refrigerator works great for a vacuum
pump - I use one all the time to dewater my WVO, and am getting set up to
use another for dewatering the finished BD... Just make sure someone (that
knows how) has reclaimed the freon in the system before you start hacking
the compressor out...

I'll try to get close to the original mass. It's raining again. Should
we ever get another cool, clear day w. low humidity I'll let the zeolite sit
outside in the same shallow baking pans and see if they gain mass.
Tom

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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery Results


Hi Tom;

Do you have any unopened zeolite?  If it is vacuum dried (and I suspect
it is) at the manufacturer, it may gain mass due to adsorption of
moisture from the air.  Take some out and weigh it and let it sit out in
the same conditions as the other stuff you are air drying and then weigh
it again.

Joe

Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Hello to all,

 I have some concerns re: my recent results  using 3A Molecular Sieve to
 dry recovered methanol.

 Concerns:

 1. I distilled 4 gal ( Containers #1  2), and had to interrupt

 the process.

 Last 4 gal were distilled two days later (Containers #3  4).



 2. Air drying: The Zeolite from the Control as well as from

 Containers # 1  2 were air-dried at the same time, for the

 same duration under “identical” conditions.

 Due to interruption of distillation and a week of rain, the

 Zeolite from Containers 3  4 was removed from the methanol

 after the same time period (24 hrs) as C, #1,  #2, but stored

 in covered plastic containers until weather permitted, and then were
 air-dried for the same length of time as the others under as similar

 conditions as could be reasonably expected.



I air-dried the Zeolite until it looked uniformly light in color.

 The idea was to simply remove moisture (methanol) from the

 surface.



  3. The Control gained mass. Although the methanol in the

 Control was not a newly-opened barrel, I reason to believe it

 to be reasonably pure.

  I had a concern going into the experiment that

 3A Molecular Sieve might allow methanol to enter

 (3A = 3 angstrom units ~ size of pores in the beads) It is

 used to dehydrate ethanol. Water molecule = 2.8 angstrom

 units, ethanol = 4.4 angstrom units, methanol = I don’t know.

 I suspected/hoped methanol was larger than the pore size.

 I suspect that water adheres more strongly than methanol to

 the inner walls of the beads and tends to remain attached.

 Additional air-drying Zeolite from  C, #1, and #2 (done after

 surface was dry and original measurements were recorded)

 resulted in continued loss in mass. At temps of only

  72 F (22.2 C) and filtered light I don’t suspect much of the

  weight loss is due to water.



 4. Zeolite, under the best of circumstances (exposed to vapor

  under pressure) can absorb up to 25% of its weight in water.

  Zeolite from container 3 increased in mass 23.1 % and

  zeolite from Container 4 gained 28.8%. What gives?



The results are interesting in that a comparison of the

 zeolite exposed to the recovered methanol to the control

 suggests that there was little water in the first 4 gallons

 recovered. This is corroborated by the fact that I used the

 Control and the first 2 recovered gallons + about 1 gal. from

  the barrel to make a 91L batch of BD that passed the

 “methanol quality” test. I pan to use the second 2 gal. in the

 next batch. (Maybe after a couple of hours of dry zeolite

 treatment).

 Tom





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 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:41 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery
 Results

 Hello all,


 3A Molecular Sieve and Methanol Recovery

  I first separated the glycerine mix using 

[Biofuel] New member - NIR biodiesel testing

[Aaron Lawrence]

Hello everyone,

I just recently joined the mailing list after finishing the processing 
of my first test batch.  I used the 1L test batch method listed on JTF 
using ~85% KOH, Dri-Gas, and new VO from the supermarket.  I stir washed 
it until the wash water and biodiesel appeared crystal clear.  I dried 
the biodiesel by heating it to 130degrees F and then letting it cool.  
The final product looks good from what I have compared it to on JTF.

I plan to do a few test batches with the new VO and then a few test 
batches using WVO.  Before I do another test batch I wanted to quantify 
my results by testing it.  I'm a senior computer/electrical engineering 
attending the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth.  I'm no chemist 
by any means but I know a couple people in the Chem department and I'm 
pretty sure they have an NIR machine. 

I was wondering how skilled a person would need to be in NIR testing to 
be able to test the biodiesel and tell me how it matches up against the 
US ASTM spec and the German DIN spec.  Would I be better off sending a 
sample to an experienced lab?  If anyone has experience sending samples 
out, are there any labs you'd recommend?  How costly is the testing?

Thanks in advance.  After watching this mailing list for a few days I 
have to say I'm very impressed with how active the biofuels community is.

-Aaron

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Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?

[A. Lawrence]

Soon enough, with some more CO2 emissions etc, there will be water enough
for all, and then some... in the right form, but we may not like having our
beachfront homes under water...


- Original Message - 
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?


 There's plenty of water.  It's just not in the right place and in the
 right form...

 Darryl McMahon wrote:

 Additional reading (just pulled from my bookshelf).
 
 Best overview of the subject to date IMO.
 _Whose Water Is It? The Unquenchable Thirst of a Water-Hungry World_
 Bernadette McDonald and Douglas Jehl, Editors
 ISBN# 0-7922-6238-7
 Maude Barlow's piece in this book says:
 'Both the World Bank and the United Nations state that water is a human
   need not a human right.'
 
 Also excellent IMO (winner of Canadian Governor General's Award).
 _Water_
 Marq de Villiers
 ISBN#0-7737-6174-8
 
 Solid coverage of the Walkerton Ontario scandal - public ownership gone
bad.
 _Well of Lies - The Walkerton Water Tragedy_
 Colin N. Perkel
 ISBN# 0-7710-7019-5
 
 Quirky, but presents some very interesting history that makes good
 context for other reading.
 _Water Wars - Drought, Flood, Folly, and the Politics of Thirst_
 Diane Raines Ward
 ISBN# 1-57322-995-4
 
 Strident, primary focus on privatization of water supplies.
 _Blue Gold_
 Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke
 ISBN# 0-7710-1086-9
 
 Darryl
 
 Keith Addison wrote:
 
 
 12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water,
 and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World.
 
 Same as energy, same as food, same as money.
 
 Actually there is only one problem, IMHO, and this is it.
 
 For a glimpse at water issues worldwide in 2002 see:
 http://snipurl.com/qcpd
 Re: [biofuel] Sewage  Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: Animal Waste
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 ---
 
 New at Anup Shah's Global Issues web site.
 http://www.globalissues.org
 
 * Trade-Related Issues
 * Sustainable Development
 * Water
 
 Much of the world lives without access to clean water. A recognized
 global water crisis appears to come not so much from water scarcity
 and over-population but from management of this precious resource.
 Privatization has long been encouraged as the means to efficient
 management and provision of service. However, the result has been
 that often prices have increased, out of reach from poor people
 around the world. This commoditization of water goes to the heart of
 safe water access issues. This article looks into this issue in more
 detail.
 
 http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Development/water/
 
 Introduction-A Water Management Crisis Leading to Lack of Access to
 Safe Water for Much of the World
 * Coca Cola vs. Indian Farmers: Luxury vs. Necessity
 * Privatization in both rich and poor countries can mean many cannot
 access safe water
 * Water Access Policy: Following Neoliberal Ideology
 * Privatization vs. Democratic Accountability of Management of a
 Fundamental Resource
 * Water: A Human Right or a Commodity?
 * Water and Environmental Issues
 * International Agreements and Action
 * More Information
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud: researchers

[A. Lawrence]

The only real plan (Liberal or Conservative) is to keep big business
feeding their election campaigns... They (big biz)  won't  feed the election
coffers unless they're allowed to continue business as usual... Us little
guys and home producers couldn't hope to contribute at big biz levels, even
if we were of a mind to...  Money talks. BS walks and big biz hasn't
the mindset to change anything - unless it increases the bottom line...
Cynical? You bet...

Al


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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud: researchers


 The results of the study come as no surprise, sadly.  The Liberal
 administrations were more interested in photo-ops than results.
 While the new Conservative administration claims to have a
 made-in-Canada plan, suspicions are it's a made-in-neocon-USA plan.
   Personally, I'd welcome any real plan on the subject.

 
 http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602651.html

 May 28, 2006
 By DENNIS BUECKERT

 OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberals' $12-billion plan to implement the Kyoto
 Protocol over seven years would have been largely ineffective, says an
 as-yet unpublished report by the C.D. Howe Institute.

 The report, marked do not cite or circulate, was written before the
 current government axed Project Green, as the plan was dubbed, and may
 have been a factor in the Conservatives' decision to scrap it.

 Project Green largely relied on voluntary measures and incentives which
 have been shown not to work, says the study, which sarcastically calls
 the package Project Dream.

 This policy approach will fail dramatically to meet national objectives
 and yet will entail a substantial cost, says the report, whose lead
 author is Mark Jaccard of Simon Fraser University.

 The study was written in April and obtained by The Canadian Press on the
 weekend. It is finally expected to be made public this week.

 The report says Project Green would have cost $12 billion by 2012, with
 much of that money being spent outside Canada.

 It would have reduced emissions by 175 megatonnes compared with a
 business-as-usual scenario, far short of the 230 to 300 Mt. reduction
 required to meet Canada's Kyoto target.

 Efforts like the One Tonne Challenge advertising campaign, which urged
 individuals to reduce their own greenhouse emissions through lifestyle
 changes, have negligible effect, says the study.

 The policy approach of Canada since 1990 and continued with Project
 Green is clearly ineffective in causing the disconnection of GHG
 (greenhouse gas) emissions from the economic output that must take place
 if these emissions are to be reduced and their atmospheric
 concentrations stabilized at low risk levels.

 Canada's domestic emissions remain on a path that would miss its Kyoto
 target by at least 270 Mt. in 2010, equivalent to almost a 30 per cent
 emissions gap, the study says.

 Indeed, the policy approach epitomized by Project Green allows
 emissions to continue to grow at close to their BAU (business-as-usual)
 rate.

 Prime Minister Stephen Harper could use the report to buttress his
 claims about the ineffectiveness of the Liberal plan, but he probably
 won't like the alternatives it recommends.

 The most effective policy would likely be a gradually rising tax on
 greenhouse gas emissions, combined with reductions in other taxes to
 ensure no net tax increase, says the report.

 The main Conservative response to climate change so far has been to make
 transit passes tax deductible, which experts say will have little effect
 on emissions.

 Louise Comeau of the Vancouver-based Sage Climate Project said many of
 the criticisms in the report are valid but Project Green was not a total

 wash.

 She said a 175 Mt. cut in emissions would have been a start, adding that
 the plan had always been presented as a work in progress.

 Comeau said the real importance of the report is its call for tough
 regulations and tax changes to prevent greenhouse emissions.
 ==

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Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel

[A. Lawrence]

A bent rod in a diesel will definitely be a problem as far as firing on that
cyl. goes... no compression (low) = no fire in that hole...


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel


 Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k
 shown on the odometer may be original.  Or maybe 188k.  But I think
 that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn
 out.  The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though.  I think
 I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test,
 and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them
 out, and see if that helps.

 On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've driven one - nice but pokey.
 
  How many miles?  I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder?  If it's been
  sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the
  piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent.  If it
  has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder
  NA diesel is going to be slooowww.
 
  Good luck!
 
  Zeke Yewdall wrote:
 
  Hey everyone
  
  I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a
  2.2 liter NA diesel engine.  I was just wondering if any of you
  (Keith?) have experience with this.  It'll be run on B100 of course
  (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in
  there).  It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead
  piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second
  truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first
  one.
  
  No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these.
  
  Zeke
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Energy Problem Solved! Here Comes the Turboencabulator!

[A. Lawrence]

So what happens when the left rear geodex valve explodes, scattering
nanoparticles into the warp engines??


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Energy Problem Solved! Here Comes the Turboencabulator!


 The machine that makes all other machines obsolete!
 http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/%7Eids/dotdot/misc/jokes/turboencabulator.txt

 Turboencabulator
 JH Quick

 [From The Institute of Electrical Engineers, Students Quarterly Journal
25]

 For a number of years now, work has has been proceeding in order to bring
 prefection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would work to
not
 only supply inverse reactive current, for use in unilateral phase
detectors, but
 would also be capable of automatically synchronising cardinal grammeters.
Such
 a machine is the 'Turboencabulator'.  Basically, the only new principle
involved
 is that instead of the power being generated by the relaxive motion of
 conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interactions of
magneto-
 reluctance and capacitive directance.

 The original machine had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surrounded
by a
 malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings
were
 in direct line with the pentametric fan, the latter consisted simply of
six
 hydrocoptic marzelvanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar vaneshaft that
side
 fumbling was effectively prevented.  The main winding was of the normal
lotus-
 o-delta type placed in panendermic semiboloid solts in the stator, every
seventh
 conductor being connected by a non-reversible termic pipe to the
differential
 girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeter.

 Forty-one manestically placed grouting brushes were arrranged to feed into
the
 rotor slip stream a mixture of high S-value phenyhydrobenzamine and 5
percent
 reminative tetraiodohexamine.  Both these liquids have specific
pericosities
 given by p=2.4 Cn where n is the diathecial evolute of retrograde
temperature
 phase disposition and C is the Chomondeley's annual grillage coefficient.
 Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar pilfrometer, but up
to the
 present date nothing has been found to equal the transcetental hopper
dadoscope.

 Electrical engineers will appreciate the difficulty of nubbing together a
 regurgitative purwell and a superaminative wennel-sprocket.  Indeed, this
proved
 to be a stumbling block to further development until, in 1943, it was
found that
 the use of anhydrous nagling pins enabled a kyptonastic boiling shim to be
 tankered.

 The early attempts to construct a sufficiently robust spiral decommutator
failed
 largely because of lack of appreciation of the large quasi-pietic stresses
in
 the gremlin studs; the latter were specially designed to hold the roffit
bars to
 the spamshaft.  When, however, it was discovered that wending could be
prevented
 by the simple addition of teeth to socket, almost perfect running was
secured.

 The operating point is maintained as near as possible to the HF rem peak
by
 constantly fromaging the bituminous spandrels.  This is a distinct advance
on
 the standard nivelsheave in that no drammock oil is required after the
phase
 detractors have remissed.

 Undoubtedly, the turboencabulator has now reached a very high level of
technical
 development.  It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions.
In
 addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed
in
 conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal
 depleneration.



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Re: [Biofuel] Harper misquided to cut energy efficiency and renewableenergy programs

[A. Lawrence]

Harper is nothing more than a Bush hand puppet... and we all know where the
hand goes... Gutting the Kyoto accord because the requirements are
unrealistic ??? HUH??? And how would you like your carbon dioxide served to
you, Sir? Would that be straight up, or would you prefer to have it with all
the other air pollutants??

I could rant on at length here, but I can stand tall enough to say that he
and his party didn't get my vote...
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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Harper misquided to cut energy efficiency and
renewableenergy programs


 Here's a prime example of right wing muddled thinking. We can pretty
 well forget about this government implimenting improved energy
 efficiencies and alternative energy tech development.
 The (Canadian) Harper government moves to mirror Bush's oil soaked
madness.
 He should be ashamed of himself.



 Blowing in the wind - Harper misguided to cut energy efficiency and
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

[A. Lawrence]

Hello Jan, 

I run an '87 Nissan Sentra diesel on BD, 100% this 
time of year, and less during the colder winters up her in the Great White North 
(Canada). My buddy runs a 20% blend (of my fuel) year 'round in a '95 Ford 
pickup...

Al

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] American diesels
  
  Hello everybody in the Americas! I 
  have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as 
  if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American 
  diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD 
  ?
  
  Jan Warnqvist
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Preparing to plant my garden

[A. Lawrence]

I don't know squat about squash, but the Square Foot Gardener (Mel
Bartholomew) says:

3 plants per 1' x 4' trench for vine types

1 plant per 3' x 3' plot foor bush types

Cucumbers - 2 plants per quare foot, best done as a row - i.e. 6 apart in a
1' x 4' plot (example)

Cantaloupe - (muskmelon?)  1 plant per square foot - I'm presuming these are
related critters, if not in fact the same thing...

Sorry, Mel makes no reference to watermelon, so can't pass along any info
there...

HTH Al

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Preparing to plant my garden


 Whew!  I just got done raising the beds in the garden.  Each bed is 3' x
 8' long and has soil 2-3' deep. The soil is basically 50-75% compost
 that you can't make a clod out of when moist (a decent clod that is).
 (well composted)  I plan on planting Squash (Hubbard  Acorn) gourds,
 Watermelon, cucumbers and cantelope in some of these.

 Does any one know how close together I can plant each in these raised
beds?

 Help much appreciated,

 Jim

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Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

[A. Lawrence]

As I understand it, hardwoods when split with an axe will not necessarily
'go with the grain' of the wood, whereas softwoods (fir, hemlock, etc)
will... Nice smooth splits, no splintering off to one side, which hardwoods
can, but not always will...

HTH Al


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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst


 Often all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers are
 called softwoods, but that's not really true.  For example, aspens
 have much softer wood than do larch.  I'm not sure of a technical
 definition -- a certain hardness or strength or something?  Or in this
 case it seems like we're looking for a certain chemical composition,
 which could vary with soil type as well?

 Z

 On 5/11/06, Scott Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not an expert in these matters, but I know that Oak and I think
Walnut
  and Maple are hardwoods.  I'm not sure about elm and cherry.
 
  Sounds to me like it'd be a good source.
 
  --Scott Burton
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason  Katie
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
 
  my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource
management
  (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three
  years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the
  park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the
  tops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood, which
is
  all oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods be a
  suitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls for hardwood,
but
  there are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify.
 
  anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an alcohol
  distillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any
real
  waste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain
barrel
  can make their own KOH.
 
 
  there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is
the
  least obvious.
 
  Jason
 
 
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[Biofuel] City Ordinances

[Stephen M.H. Lawrence]

Just a brief heads-up:  You can always call your municipal authority
and find out.  In addition, it would be a good idea to find if there are
any conditions and restrictions, or a Homeowners' Association banning
noxious activity.

Good Luck,

Steve Lawrence, Realtor¨
www.realtyfulltime.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:07:29 -0500
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I am just starting to make a biodiesel duel process unit in my garage.
I live in the city dose anyone know what city ordinances might be a
problem mixing this stuff?
just wondering.
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Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear

[A Lawrence]

once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this
isn't there? My apologies to the group for not snipping but to make the
point...
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear


 Dear Bob,

 I read the whole editorial and quite poignant. My
 local newspaper suggested everyone read the new book
 Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by
 Jared Diamond. I read his previous Pulitzer
 Prize-winning Guns, Germs, and Steel.

 http://www.booksellersnow.com/bsncollapse.htm
 Brilliant, illuminating, and immensely absorbing,
 Collapse is destined to take its place as one of the
 essential books of our time...

 The SF Chronicle has a good review:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2005/01/09/RVGR6AJCCI1.DTLtype=books



 --- bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all, again,
 Seems as if the media is at last
  waking up to a few realities. Who would have
  believed the the geriatric New York Times would ever
  have run a story such as this.
  Bob.
 
 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10herbert.html
 
  New York TimesJanuary 10, 2005
 
  Op-Ed columnist
 
  The Scent of Fear
 
  By Bob Herbert
 
  The assembly line of carnage in George W. Bush's war
  in Iraq continues
  unabated. Nightmares don't last this long, so the
  death and destruction must
  be real. You know you're in serious trouble when the
  politicians and the
  military brass don't even bother suggesting that
  there's light at the end of
  the tunnel. The only thing ahead is a deep and
  murderous darkness.
 
  With the insurgency becoming both stronger and
  bolder, and the chances of
  conducting a legitimate election growing grimmer by
  the day, a genuine sense
  of alarm can actually be detected in the
  reality-resistant hierarchy of the
  Bush administration.
 
  The unthinkable is getting a tentative purchase in
  the minds of the
  staunchest supporters of the war: that under the
  current circumstances, and
  given existing troop strengths, the U.S. and its
  Iraqi allies may not be
  able to prevail. Military officials are routinely
  talking about a major U.S.
  presence in Iraq that will last, at a minimum, into
  the next decade. That is
  not what most Americans believed when the Bush crowd
  so enthusiastically
  sold this war as a noble adventure that would be
  short and sweet, and would
  end with Iraqis tossing garlands of flowers at
  American troops.
 
  The reality, of course, is that this war is like all
  wars - fearsomely
  brutal and tragic. The administration was jolted
  into the realization of
  just how badly the war was going by the brazen
  suicide bombing just a few
  days before Christmas inside a mess tent of a large
  and supposedly heavily
  fortified military base in Mosul. Fourteen American
  soldiers and four
  American contractors were among the dead.
 
  Seven American soldiers were killed last Thursday
  when their Bradley armored
  personnel carrier hit a roadside bomb in
  northwestern Baghdad. Two U.S.
  marines were killed the same day in Anbar.
 
  Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez told reporters at the
  Pentagon on Friday of an
  ominous new development in Iraq. We've noticed in
  the recent couple of
  weeks, he said, that the I.E.D.'s [improvised
  explosive devices] are all
  being built more powerfully, with more explosive
  effort in a smaller number
  of I.E.D.'s.
 
  Mr. Bush's so-called pre-emptive war, which has
  already cost so many lives,
  is being enveloped by the foul and unmistakable odor
  of failure. That's why
  the Pentagon is dispatching a retired four-star
  general, Gary Luck, to Iraq
  to assess the entire wretched operation. The hope in
  Washington is that he
  will pull a rabbit out of a hat. His mission is to
  review the military's
  entire Iraq policy, and do it quickly.
 
  I hope, as he is touring the regions in which the
  U.S. is still using
  conventional tactics against a guerrilla foe, that
  he keeps in mind how
  difficult it is to defeat local insurgencies, and
  other indigenous forces,
  as exemplified by such widely varying historical
  examples as the French
  experiences in Indochina and Algeria, the American
  experience in Vietnam,
  the Israeli experience in Lebanon, and so on.
 
  But even the fortuitously named General Luck will be
  helpless to straighten
  anything out in time for the Iraqi elections. The
  commander of American
  ground forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, made it
  clear last week that
  significant areas of four major provinces, which
  together contain nearly
  half the population of the entire country, are not
  safe enough for people to
  vote.
 
  Today I would not be in much shape to hold
  elections in those provinces,
  said General Metz.
 
  With the war draining the military of the troops
  needed 

Re: [biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma? what sh*t

[Lawrence Hein Hein]

Iam in the recycling business in Dallas, TX There are
several companies in our area who buy used cooking
oil. The market changes from the haulers charging to
haul off,  to paying as much as .27 cents per gallon
for used cooking oil. If the generator is a large
operation with multiple locations they most certainly
are being paid for the material. There are many
imaginative people out there who come up with a
commercial use and market for different waste streams,
as that occurs more competitors join in and the waste
stream has a value. A couple of examples in our area,
used motor oil is going for as much as .30 per gallon.
Used antifreeze is .17 per gallon

--- CH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree! That bit about the restaurants planning
 on selling their 
 grease to a recycling company is the most bogus part
 of the article.
 
 Does anyone know of restaurants who actually sell
 their waste veg oil to 
 a renderer?
 
 Chris
 
 billy truman wrote:
 
 resturants don't sell the used oil, the pay to have
 it
 taken away. So ? 
 
 
 --- erichalltoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 The restaurants were planning to sell the grease
 to
 a recycling company and the total value of the
 stolen goods was
 about $380. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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