Re: [Biofuel] Keith Addison passed away
Oh, such sad news. Hardly a day will pass of me not thinking of Keith - as always. Deepest sympathies, Midori. Rest in peace, brother. Aleks -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:35 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Keith Addison passed away Dear biofuel friends, Keith, who contributed so much to the handmade biofuel movement and related appropriate technology and organic movements, died of pneumonia in August 2014. This is Midori, Japanese partner of Keith Addison. My apology for being late to tell you this sad news. It took a while for me to recover from his death and rearrange related matters. Still continues.. I'd like to maintain his projects available online, in which Keith devoted so much - literally he devoted more than 10 years of his life to journeytoforever.org and biofuel mailinglists. I cannot contribute to it anymore, but at least I will keep them as they are, available to the public for coming years. Regarding to this mailinglist, I suppose he left the managing to somebody else around 2013 - please advise me how this is arranged now, off-list if it's more suitable. I now manage his emails at ke...@journeytoforever.org and I see more than 100 moderator requests piling up (most of them are Post by non-member to a members-only list). I also manage the domain name sustainablelists.org. Do we still need it for the list? Please advise. There have been so many issues on and around these mailinglists over the decade. Keith used to tell me hours about what's going on on the list, both happy and annoying issues. No matter what - I really appreciate for your support and contribution for Keith over these years. Thank you so much. I hope we all remember Keith and what he taught us. Many thanks and best wishes, Midori Kyoto, Japan - I can be reached at i...@journeytoforever.org. Please specify to Midori in the title. Thanks. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Any beekeeping contacts in Switzerland?
To see alpine beekeping and beehouses you need to come to Slovenia. I'm starting to keep bees myself this year, with one colony. I will build a beehouse into a whole side of my roofed patio, so it will be a part of the house. This is not traditional, but also not unheard of. A trip to Slovenia will also be substantially cheaper than Switz, an to not forget, Slovenia is the original home of the carnica bee. We call it The Grey. Some links: Slovenian beekeeping association: http://www.czs.si/turizem_en/index.php Slovenian beehouse plans (just click on TIP A, B and C) by my friend, the architect Marjan Debelak : http://www.czs.si/cebelar_cebelnjaki.php Traditional Slovenian hive (Alberti Žnideršič hive, AKA AŽ hive) http://www.logar-trade.si/panji/?klasid=10601000 although all sorts of hive systems are in use. Cheers, A. -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:39 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Any beekeeping contacts in Switzerland? I am trying to find out more about the beehouses used in Switzerland (and other mountainous regions in Europe). There's very little info on them here in the US, but the standard langstroth hive does not work as well in cold winter climates, from what I can gather. And, they require electric fences for any protection from bears, and even with them, bear invasions are common in the mountains. But, they're cheap... the US way of doing things.I am considering making a trip to Switzerland next summer to research these more and see how they function, however, I need to get some contacts there first and see if it's possible to set up a tour of beehouses, etc. My not speaking German is not helping the research ;) But, I figured this list might have some ideas. Thanks Zeke ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG
Well, I need to say something here. Why all these inventions? You can buy a whole production car capable of 100 mpg today. The world record in fuel economy set by Gerhardt Plattner with this car is actually way better: 107 mpg from austria to denmark and back, 2007 km on 45 litres of diesel, using autobahns, climbing mountain highway passes etc. http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/gerhard-plattner-does-it-again-drives.html (7% better fuel economy at these low values is no easy job in real world traffic) It's not a hybrid. It's got aircon and everything a modern car should have. It hasn't got an exotic engine, the engine is a common rail 1.2 litre tdi. It's even almost half reasonably priced. And it's not even a kei or very small car : Skoda Fabia Greenline II http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/skoda/skoda_fabia/review_skoda_fabia_greenline_ii_4637.jhtml Cheers, Aleks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lee Dyson Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:13 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG Hello All, was sent this, looks interesting. Looks like if it can be vaporised and combustible you can run this engine on it, diesel also. Looks like the idea has been around since at least the 1950's Lee Begin forwarded message: Subject: FW: New Engine 100 MPG New Engine! VEY Cool! Here is another German Invention! Oh, and by the way! Let’s watch this invention closely, so we can observe the MANOEUVERING of the Oil Companies, Lawyers, Politicians, Unions and Wall Street, to cut this invention off at the knees, delay and/or even stop it’s development. They will all contribute to stopping this engine from ever reaching the American consumer in a reasonable time frame at a reasonable price. JUST WATCH! Be sure and watch the video…. Interesting..!! For a good demo, See: http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder Saving the World Two Strokes at a Time This is no wimp engine. It's a two cylinder with four pistons delivering 300+ Horse Power It's extremely small and very efficient and is presently in use in test applications The configuration below is equivalent to a extremely ballsy four cylinder engine when doubled, it's an extremely ballsy 600+ H.P. engine It’s called OPOC (Opposed Piston Opposed Cylinder), and it’s a turbocharged two-stroke, two-cylinder, with four pistons, two in each cylinder, that will run on gasoline, diesel or ethanol. The two pistons, inside a single cylinder, pump toward and away from each other, thus allowing a cycle to be completed twice as quickly as a conventional engine while balancing it's own loads. The heavy lifting for this unconventional concept was performed Prof. Peter Hofbauer. During his 20 years at VW, Hofbauer headed up, among other things, development of VW’s first diesel engine and the VR6. The OPOC has been in development for several years, and the company claims it’s 30 percent lighter, one quarter the size and achieves 50 percent better fuel economy than a conventional turbo diesel engine. They’re predicting 100 MPG in a conventional car! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110527/d5c2e6c1/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT11.jpeg Type: unknown/unknown Size: 23246 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20110527/d5c2e6c1/attachment.bin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110527/d5c2e6c1/attachment-0001.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT22.jpeg Type: unknown/unknown Size: 22124 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20110527/d5c2e6c1/attachment-0001.bin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110527/d5c2e6c1/attachment-0002.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG
Well. Regardless of every sane argument I need to drive to make a living. To pay the house I live in, to pay for my internet connection, you get it, I believe. I need to drive a lot some days. I need to carry tools sometimes. I need to be on time and I'm hot. So yes, its 33 deg C out there, and the humidity is high, and aircon helps a lot. I work 13-14 hours some days, staying cool during drives helps to stay alert on the road. So yes, I not only believe aircon is nice, I believe it's neccessary on some days. Traffic is heavy only some days, but mostly very bearable where I live. The most we need to take real good care of these days are the cyclists. These are not people getting from A to B, these are people with nothing to do all afternoon and they didn't tire themselves during their work day. But I still take care. So yes, passive and active safety elements in cars are essential. And we don't have tank traffic at all. We don't even have many tanks left anymore. There are some large vehicles on road and I happen to own one. And no, it's not putting in danger any one, it's rather useful for that matter. Cheers, Aleks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dawie Coetzee Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:54 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG Hi Aleks, Jason Well, I need to say something here. Why all these inventions? Why indeed? You can buy a whole production car capable of 100 mpg today. Unfortunately it is fundamentally one of several million of them, and done that way can't be otherwise. The world record in fuel economy set by Gerhardt Plattner with this car is actually way better: 107 mpg from austria to denmark and back, 2007 km on 45 litres of diesel, using autobahns, climbing mountain highway passes etc. http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/gerhard-plattner-does-it-again-drives.html (7% better fuel economy at these low values is no easy job in real world traffic) It's not a hybrid. Good. It's got aircon and everything a modern car should have. Should a modern car have aircon and everything else? Why? Perhaps because it spends so much time in heavy traffic? Isn't THAT rather the problem? It hasn't got an exotic engine, the engine is a common rail 1.2 litre tdi. That's one common rail too exotic! It's even almost half reasonably priced. And it's not even a kei or very small car : Skoda Fabia Greenline II http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/skoda/skoda_fabia/review_skoda_fabia_greenline_ii_4637.jhtml Primarily because it needs to 'protect' its occupants against all that tank traffic ... Cheers, Aleks This looks like a lot of fun to me. Seventeen of them might achieve remarkable fuel economy; no great matter if the eighteenth and nineteenth don't. And they would achieve that fuel economy the right way, that is, pretty much by accident. Regards Dawie From: Aleksander Kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 27 May, 2011 8:27:01 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG Well, I need to say something here. Why all these inventions? You can buy a whole production car capable of 100 mpg today. The world record in fuel economy set by Gerhardt Plattner with this car is actually way better: 107 mpg from austria to denmark and back, 2007 km on 45 litres of diesel, using autobahns, climbing mountain highway passes etc. http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/gerhard-plattner-does-it-again-drives.html (7% better fuel economy at these low values is no easy job in real world traffic) It's not a hybrid. It's got aircon and everything a modern car should have. It hasn't got an exotic engine, the engine is a common rail 1.2 litre tdi. It's even almost half reasonably priced. And it's not even a kei or very small car : Skoda Fabia Greenline II http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/skoda/skoda_fabia/review_skoda_fabia_greenline_ii_4637.jhtml Cheers, Aleks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lee Dyson Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:13 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG Hello All, was sent this, looks interesting. Looks like if it can be vaporised and combustible you can run this engine on it, diesel also. Looks like the idea has been around since at least the 1950's Lee Begin forwarded message: Subject: FW: New Engine 100 MPG New Engine! VEY Cool! Here is another German Invention! Oh, and by the way! Let’s watch this invention closely, so we can observe the MANOEUVERING of the Oil Companies, Lawyers, Politicians, Unions and Wall Street, to cut this invention off at the knees, delay and/or even stop it’s development. They will all contribute to stopping
Re: [Biofuel] I sussed it out
Ahoy! Hi Aleks! hope all is well with you Keith Got more problems than a cat with 20 kittens and only two tits. :-) Changing countries has never been so complicated before. Nearly there though - I'll go out in an hour or so and dash about the place again, and that should be it, then I can take it easy for a while. Yes, all's well. Way cool! How is Cape Town? Warm! (It's snowing again today in Kyoto.) I believe, the summer is ending? Not quite yet. There've been a couple of foggy mornings, cooler, and some wind, but not really - I think the wind really starts blowing in April. Looking forvard to a nice fall, eh. Indeed I am. And you to a nice spring? Does Slovenia have a Mediterranean climate? Partly. The terrain rises considerably from the Adriatic sea inlands. The effect can be felt some 60-70 km inwards. Not where I live. But in favourable weather conditions, the fall can have prolonged periods of mild climate even past november 1st. 2009 was such a year, my sweatheart was sunbathing untill mid december, with outside day temperatures reaching 17-18°C at the end of november. More influental even are mediterranean cyclons. We can definitely feel those. November 28th 2010 we got a foot of snow, and for a week every other day yielded another foot till the cyclone disintegrated. BTW, I got my sweetheart a kei car yesterday! Good! Now you'll want one for yourself. :-) Well. As with every story men tell about the wimens, my previous statement is only a half truth. The fact is, I bought the car for myself. I'm getting rid of the Fat Girl (Toyota LC 80 series), and I wanted a small car for my daily commute to work. I didn't want just any car, I wanted one with a small and efficient engine. And it had to be reasonably priced, in a reasonable/fixable condition. The latter I don't know yet, you see. I have driven it for 30 minutes only ... Just as I got home, her response was: Just in time. My Kia has a shot bearing and the CV joint is making strange noises. Hand them [car keys] over. So, you see, my driving tests are of a rather limited time. And my nose is still somewhat sagged. It's a Subaru VIVIO, 17 years old. A little gem of an engine: only 660 cc and multipoint injection. It's a 4WD, works like magic on snow. A full fuel tank is les than 25 litres, which will take you 500 kilometers far. I have been an utter idiot for not getting one of these a while ago. This car is surprisingly roomy for its rather small size, and quite comfortable. Least of all, you can get a new winter tire for it for les than 30 euros. On the side of the registration and insurance costs: only a 50 cc moped is cheaper per year. Anyways, way cheap, only sipping fuel and a quite comfortable ride. And sadly the only kei car available in continental Europe AFAIK. Pitty they stopped making them in '95. I think they still make them. Subaru stopped making them in '97, although old stock was inported to the EU until '99. But no new ones were imported after '95 to Slovenia. As there engines are EURO 3, they can not be imported, even from other EU countries. And even if that were possible, ther are only 40 on sale in the whole EU today, at ridicoulous prices. Pics: http://www.google.com/images?q=Subaru+VIVIOum=1ie=UTF-8source=univsa=Xei=7mR3TcC6FYKEvgO1sYHcBQved=0CCsQsAQ Kei cars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_cars There are dealers that export second-hand kei trucks all over the world, including to Europe I think, and probably kei cars too, not sure. Not to this little country they are not! We are (as can be seen on many, many, way too many other occasions) saintlier as Pope Ratzy. It can be seen on Google Earth, search for Slovenia. You can observe a faint golden aura along the borders to Austria, Italy, Hungary and Croatia. For a similar visual effect search up The City of Vatican and, during summer, The Apostolic Palace of Castel Gandolfo. A nice little aura, but ours is stronger ... I'd like to get another kei truck. They should be available here. I'll check it out. Cheers for now - all best Good luck! All the best, Aleks Keith Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I sussed it out
snipped hope all is well with you Keith Got more problems than a cat with 20 kittens and only two tits. :-) Changing countries has never been so complicated before. Nearly there though - I'll go out in an hour or so and dash about the place again, and that should be it, then I can take it easy for a while. Yes, all's well. Way cool! How is Cape Town? I believe, the summer is ending? Looking forvard to a nice fall, eh. BTW, I got my sweetheart a kei car yesterday! It's a Subaru VIVIO, 17 years old. A little gem of an engine: only 660 cc and multipoint injection. It's a 4WD, works like magic on snow. A full fuel tank is les than 25 litres, which will take you 500 kilometers far. I have been an utter idiot for not getting one of these a while ago. This car is surprisingly roomy for its rather small size, and quite comfortable. Least of all, you can get a new winter tire for it for les than 30 euros. On the side of the registration and insurance costs: only a 50 cc moped is cheaper per year. Anyways, way cheap, only sipping fuel and a quite comfortable ride. And sadly the only kei car available in continental Europe AFAIK. Pitty they stopped making them in '95. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Paying for fire response service (was Alabama Town's Failed Pension..)
{Small Snip}
Proceeding from the assumption that a fire-response service is a
rational response to the threat of structure fires and related hazards
to residents, it becomes necessary to fund that service. How to go
about it, on a sustainable basis? Let's suppose a fire house includes 3
major trucks (pumper, ladder, utility/rescue), has a staff of roughly 30
(to support 7x24 response) and can reasonably service a radius of 8 km,
with up to 8,000 structures. (I'm completely guessing here, but a quick
search turned up a ratio of 1.5 firefighters per 1,000 population for
the U.S., and one engine company per 15,000 to 20,000 population). A
building, massive supporting infrastructure (e.g., water mains), 3
expensive pieces of rolling stock, and 30 full-time salaries plus
benefits, and administrative overhead. As a wild guess, let's say that
represents an annual expenditure of $4,000,000. That's about $500 a
household per year. That figure is inflated as it includes more than
fire services (such full-time services include domestic water supply,
emergency health response and rescue capabilities). Moving to the
volunteer model, the annual cost is likely to be more in the range of
$150,000 a year (assuming the trucks and building have a service life of
30 years). Let's assume the $75 annual fee from the story. It takes
2,000 subscribers to support that cost. For a rural volunteer fire
department, that seems in the ballpark to me.
Let's suppose we get 10 call-outs a year for structure fires in the
rural situation (1 per 200 structures per year, which seems high to me).
If we only charge those whose structures actually require a call-out
(user-pay to the extreme), the cost to them will be $15,000 per
call-out. (At that price, I expect some will decline the service when
it arrives, and will take higher personal risks trying to fight the fire
themselves.) If they are not home to approve the charges, it is allowed
to burn down without intervention. Seems less than optimal to me.
Or we can move to the community pays model. Everybody pays $75 a year,
and no questions about fighting the fire, whether anybody is home or
not. Either via a tax, a subscription or whatever. Of course, someone
will object to this tax or fee, as they can better spend it on 15
Starbucks coffees (or whatever).
So, the inevitable result is that the number of funders will decrease,
likely slowly at first (the freeloader model). But after a couple of
years, the volunteers will get tired of going door to door begging for
renewals. Some folks will figure, I didn't need the fire department for
the past few years, so why not save the $75. Eventually, half the
people don't subscribe, and the cost goes up to $150 a year for those
that do. Somebody has a fire that is not a subscriber, and the
volunteer fire department puts out their fire anyway because they agree
to accept payment on the spot of whatever the going rate is. Word gets
out that this happened. Next year, nobody pays for a subscription,
figuring they can pay a small amount in the event they ever need the
service. The volunteer department goes broke, as they can't make the
loan payments on the firehouse, the trucks or the fuel bill. (An
enterprising arsonist then wipes out all the structures in the
community.) Also seems less than optimal.
So, if you are the chief official for the volunteer fire service, and
you can't get funded via the tax base, how do you propose to find the
revenue to support the minimum required operating costs? Labour is
already free or very close to it. Probably not paying municipal taxes
on the firehouse. But there are real costs associated with having the
building and equipment.
Personally, I think I would end up where this situation did. I would
elect to try to keep the service operational, hoping residents would
have the sense to support it. However, if not supported by taxes or
some form of mandatory payment, I expect with time someone will choose
not to pay. Eventually comes the tough decision. If they have a fire,
and have not paid to support the (volunteer) service, do you provide the
service anyway (which will eventually lead to the end of the service
being viable for the whole community), or do you make a very harsh
example 'pour encourager les autres'?
I'm curious, and looking for responses from this list.
If you are in the position of the chief official, how do you fund
desirable, low rate of incidence, high consequences, prevention
operations when there are no mandatory mechanisms available?
If you are in the position of a homeowner, and the funding mechanism is
not mandatory, do you pay the annual subscription? Is there a price
point where you will choose not to pay? What would motivate you to pay
or not pay if the amount is small?
Darryl
{Big Snip}
How it functions in Europe, particularly Slovenia where I live, is like this:
pro and voluntary
Re: [Biofuel] greenhouse farming
http://www.fourseasonfarm.com/resources/index.html#greenhouses This chap wrote a book. I ordered it last week, but I can't comment as amazon says it'll take another two weeks to get here. I just built a hybrid (well, bigger than a cold frame and not a full size greenhouse) last weekend. It will be unheated. I've looked up some information on the internet regarding greenhouses, as my sweatheart has a strong interest in veggie gardening in winter and the accompanied financial benefits, specially during winter. There seem to be two schools of thought: using heated greenhouses and unheated greenhouses. For starters I made this small thing, 2,5 by 1,5 metres, about 1,5 metres tall, both roofs sloping. Sadly its burried under one and a half feet of snow today ... winter came in early this year. Next year I'm planning a bigger, walk in greenhouse. It'll be unheated, as we don't aspire to tomatoes in winter. This year we got salad greens in the hybrid. I'm quite confident it'll work fine, as in the previos winter our winter lettuce survided quite nicely under more than 2 feet of snow just covered with gardening fabric. But that was just surviving, not growing. We're hoping for more with this new setup. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Status (biofuel@wwia.org)
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Re: [Biofuel] paper chromatography
Liz, I have a student who is studying biodiesel as his chemistry project. We have located a method of thin Layer Chromatography for the quality analysis but he also wants to try paper chromatography. We ahve tried some solvents but they only work for the glycerides layer. Does anyone have a method that works for paper chromatography. To analyze what? MG, DG and TG content? I don't think paper chrom' will work, because the stains will smear too much on paper. PC is more adapt for ion detection, sodium, phosphate ... at least what I did in high school. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns Leading Climate Expert
I believe one degree is the difference between water or ice. Nope. One degre is the difference between 1 degree and 0 degree water. The difference between the solid and liquid state of matter is several times bigger. Ice has a lot more energy trapped inside then just the deltaT of 1. But global warming is, AFAIK, measured by air T (mean values over a period, dunno what period). 1 degree of deltaT of air is very hard to feel in still air. BTW, I feel the effects of global warming. We haven't got any snow this winter. It's not a lot warmer on average, but we had few days in january reaching about 10 degC (on the + side). In a country that hosts 4 ski WC events and several nordic events ... The most recent woman's slalom and Gslalom races in Maribor were organized entirely on artificially made snow. Both tracks were soaked with rain a couple of days before the race, making the whole effort almost melt away. Cheers, Aleks Mick, Can you feel the difference of 1 degree increase on average? Andy As I sit here freezing, in temperatures colder than normal, I have a hard time swallowing the global warming concept. Mick snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Euro warrantees - was Re: 2nd batch: looks better...
snip The use of biofuel conforming to EN14214 as a blend component at up to 5% is accepted by the European vehicle manufacturers and their guarantees are honoured, providing the finished fuel remains in conformity with the diesel fuel standard EN 590. A blend component exceeding this percentage will no long be in conformity with EN 590, and any vehicle guarantees are then a matter for individual companies. As the major injection equipment manufacturers refuse to guarantee their systems beyond 5% biodiesel (this includes 100% biodiesel), many vehicle manufacturers may be reluctant to honour guarantees for such fuels. Therefore it is important to obtain the advice of local vehicle manufacturers and importers on this point, and to label filling station distributor pumps clearly so the customer knows what fuel he is buying. This basically concurs with my experiences with the HDi PSA diesels and neat bio. Although nothing broke, the OBD shut the engine down. snip I've just heard that the Peugeot HDi eqipped cars have an inline fuel sensor. The owner I spoke to said, that this was to prevent the use of colored fuel/heating oil in the engine by shutting the fuel valve and preventing the destruction of the cat exhaust with sulphur contained in heating oil. Any on list owners know about this? I phoned the nearest garage to find out if this is true, but the guy on the other side wanted to know the cars VIN, which I couldn't provide, duh. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2nd batch: looks better, but still some questions
snip Aleks said this in a message a few months ago: Opel in his new DI engines forbidds use of bio in any form. New VW models do not tolerate biodiesel also (any form, not even B5) in someengines. We have had a LC Toyota (100 series) with a totally broken IP after only6.000 km on neat bio (costly repair, 12.000 US).We've been in the EU for a very short time (meaning biofuels are legal now in Slovenija) and have had serious damage on engines. I could go on andon:BMW - no good OBD shuts the engine down, Peugeot - will stop engine,beacuse antiPMchemical injected in the exhaust is not compatible with neat bio,Mercedes - OBD gets all fuzzy, can't recognize the neat bio as a fuel . http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/38648/ And Chuck said this: I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/38766/ It would be nice to have some confirmation of this one way or the other. Latest: Sorry, Mat and I had to stop experimenting with other people's cars. No, seriously. :-). Mat's brother is still mad, because of the fuel lift pump broke in his VW Polo tdi. Uses neat dino now, engine's fine. Most of the users, including me, stepped back a little, using blends. The repaired Toy runs fine on 30% bio 70% dino for 6000 km now. I drive my Jeep on a 50% bio blend, fine for the moment, after about 4000 km post injection system rebuild. The owner of the Merc with the cdi engine gave up. Drives on dino, no trouble since. Mat's sister with the Renault Clio Dci gave up, drives on neat dino, no trouble since. On the other hand, the oil delivery guy drives his ~95 (not sure, the old shape) passat on a blend of bio and WVO for several years now, absolutely no problems. And it's not a kit car, all is regular, TDI pump, injectors, no other fuel heating ... Seems that older TDI engines (pre 2000) are particularly adapted to biodiesel. Also older mercedes diesel and turbodiesel engines (Mat went to see/buy the Biocar guy/kit last friday), got a lift back to the trainstation from a guy with a Merc 300 turbodiesel, older model, with 200.000 km on the engine on neat rapeoil w/Biocar kit. No problem whatsoever. No rule of thumb here. Read instructions booklet prior to neat biodiesel use. If in doubt, start with blends. In case of any trouble, blame the gas station (EU, where diesel is already blended with bio). It works some- times, especially if workshop is not familiar with biodiesel. Sometimes it's better not mention it at all. You might get stuff fixed for free, under warranty. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2nd batch: looks better, but still some questions
Hakan, I am confused, in front of me I have the sales literature and specs of VW Lupo 3L in Spanish. It is clearly stated that the VW Lupo 3L is RME compatible clean or in any mix and that is biodiesel on Rape seed. I do not have the latest literature for other VW models, but have a remembrance that they say the same. When I get to it, I will get the Golf TDI, since my wife will change her 8 years old one. snip Only the Lupo. Tested, 60.000 km by my friend Mat. Read the instruction booklet of the v6 tdi Passat, or 2004 Touran. These, if sold in my country, state: no biodiesel allowed. The Lupo is a pdi (pumpe-dse), the newer are a sort of common rail engines if I got it right. If this is correct, I can understand why they don't recomend the use of other fuels. And VW's research is oriented towards Sundiesel anyway. I'd keep the old tdi. Why's your wife changing it? '96 is a nice vintage for tdi engines. I know loads of owners of about this age of cars. All are very happy with them. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Keith? Query about WVO refining and Glycerin Purifying
When I start my homebrew biodiesel refining with that 150 lbs of WVO I've been discussing, I would to circulate the byproduct crude glycerin into distillation and purify it to about 90% purity or better. The reason is that I would like to recycle and send the glyerin to a local natural soap bar manufacture nearby. Am I taking this too far? You are not meaning boling the glycerine and then condensing it, are you? this can't be done at atmos- pheric pressure. Glycerine will crak just a few degC below atmospheric bpT, so glyc distillation must be done under lower than atmospheric pressure. OTOH, distilling away the methanol is reasonable, as for the low energy input and a valuable fossil chemical recovery. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic Tanks for Biodiesel
snip I've found two types of containers that I'd like to use for storage, or washing / bubbling... Both contained silicon... One is a sealed top 55 gal drum with two 2 bungs on top, the other is a 275 gal cube with a metal cage around it. It has a 2 valve at the bottom, and a 6 bung / cover on top. I don't yet know what type of plastic they are... I'll go see them tomorrow or Sat. The cube is what we call an intermediate bulk container or IBC and it will sweat, but a friend of mine uses one for bio storage for about 2 years now and the container is still fine. OTOH, in contact with bio, most plastic containers will sweat and still do fine. What can I use to get the residue silicone out? Is this a good idea at all? Silicone-what? What types of plastics are OK to use for these purposes? Which are not? Look it up at journey to forever. I use white PVC. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Luc, snip The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. One 1000th of an inch is 0.0254 milimeter. Rather coarse for machining ... We have milimeters (1/1000th of a meter) and micrometers (1/1000th of a mm). So, what's not covered by metric? You can go smaller still, we've got Angstroms. 1000's of an inch are regularly used by the average rodbuilder. But these are easily transformed into metric units. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: patents, biotech and cellulosic ethanol was RE: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood
Dave, snip As it has been explained to me, it is a matter of getting the enzymes cheap enough to make it cost effective--one cannot make the enzymes themselves, they are a product of biotech. Am I mistaken? What are the enzymes and where do they come from? snip Enzymes are a product of nature, i.e. microorganisms, such as bacteria fungi, plants, human and animal internal organs, et al. Enzymes are rather large molecules of proteinic origin, capable of doing a simple task, given the right conditions (temperature, pH). They can splice complex carbohydrates to simpler (mashing, for example) sugars that yeast can digest to make alcohol, for instance. Mankind has been utilizing these little friends in alcohol beverage making, cheesemaking, meat conservation, leather, breads, honey for ages... Fungi are one example of enzymatic cellulosic material breakdown to make simpler carbohydrates for food. Biotech came into the game later, to simplify and make cheaper and faster nature's processess. Try the difference between a small brewery pub beer and industrial beer. Biotech made it possible, for example to simplify beer fermentation and shorten lagering, and all the complex nuances of the beer's taste are gone. But biotech research is expensive and all the richness of beer can still be tasted in small brewpubs. Sorry, if I talk a lot of beer, but I'm a homebrewer and use malt's own enzymes a lot, and nothing in my brew is biotech. For now, at least untill GMO barley creeps into Europe. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using?
Biodiesel homebrewers, what hydroxide are you using, sodium or potassium? If you have switched from one to another, are the results any better? Anyone ethyl esters yet - single stage, two stage, mistery process? Just wondering, I switched from sodium to potassium hydroxide. The wash seems a little easier. Ethyl esters - no conversion at all with potassium ethoxide (99% ethanol) IPA esters with potassium methoxide as catalyst - no conversion, turned everything solid Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.
I'm sure there is a catalytic process to do this. One thing I know of is that methane can be conveted to syngas, which can then be converted to methanol through the critical process, or through a zinc-slurry process: snip The meth sold in my country is made exclusively by a catalytic conversion of natural gas. I really don't know why bother to make fuel methanol, if you can have excellent CNG cars, range and all included. Look up the new Merc C-class CNG car, or the Fiat Multipla Bifuel. And if you drive on both fuels, the range almost doubles in comparison to a single fuel car. Then you move on to partially cleaned biogas and compress it for use in the same equipment. Although, here at work we have a big powerplant (3.3 megawatt) on biogas containing roughly 48% methane, the rest CO2 and other gasses (it's land- fill gas), we use it in our GEJenbacher gensets unpurified, just filtered. Works fine, although silicon deposits are a major pain for the moment. We just opened one genset (1 megawatt, V20 spark ignition engine), and cleaned the combustion chambers, it's done with a special soak and rinse. But it took the genny 15.000 hours to build up deposits thick enough to cause problems. It has be cleaned, mind you, because the compression has changed and the engine does not fire propperly anymore. And also the LeaNOx firing electronics goes bezerk. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.
Arttu, snip Could methane, easily produced from rotting biomass, be used to make propane? It's easier and safer to handle than methane in transportation use, that's why ask. They do it in making polymers, but that's with extremely long hydrocarbon-chains. Rotting biomass produces a mix of gasses, rather difficult to separate and clean up the methane to a grade capable of polymerization. But it is done, as methane from natural gas/fermentation is used not to make propane but other stuff, mainly methanol. Propane's main source are the world's wells of oil and gas. Much cheaper than synthesized propane (still). There's also no real reason why not to use methane as road vehicle fuel. If it's hard to liquefy, use it compressed, the technology, is here, the Swedes and Italians are doing it for ages. Along with half of Asia ... Google compogas for a package example. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] China VW Competition - Golf ECO.Power
Todd, You're right Alex, at least in part. Let's not just linch all other auto makers than Volkswagen ... There's a lot going on outside the USofA. I should have qualified that, at least in part, leaning more heavily on American auto manufacturers than most others. Then again, its rather difficult to give accolades to the likes of Volvo, Daimler, Benz, etc. because they make a few small cars, when on the flip side they're as party and parcel to the Super Size It syndrome that has swept the industry. Even VW participates in it with their Tourag. The touareg also comes with a nifty 2.5 turbodiesel known from the VW van range. It will easy last you 1/2 a million of km and doesn't really need good roads. The touareg is rather compact by american standards. snip Pats on the back come when they've all got lines of affordable production vehicles for the masses that achieve a realistic 60 mpg and better. Please note the word affordable, which not only includes a vehicle costing considerably less than a home mortgage, but includes long-term maintenance as well, not paper-delicate technologies that will only last 20 years if kept in a clean room at Intel or Sony and bankrupt an owner over the same period if not. Affordable? But you already have them in Am'rika (along with very affordable fuel)! Just for example, a Toy Prius will cost You roughly half of that what it costs me in Slovenija (I can't afford it anyway, there are only 2 here). I can't immagine the ammount of money it costs in Denmark. Niels, how much ? Our countries really don't encourage us citizens buying cars. But then again, housing is more expensive still in my country, no fear the cost of a car will come even close to a home mortgage. With my meager pay savings, I could buy a condo in Florida, and noway here in Slovenija. You already have very affordable things, I suspect that a car's price in the US wouldn't even cover European prices for energy, raw materials and labour. Europeans can't have cheaper cars, but americans demand affordable ... Heck, I drive an american car, made in Toledo, Ohio. It's cheaper to buy than a european or japanese car ... a lot. Even for those manufacturers that offer a larger selection of small vehicles, their's not much to be proud of. Fifty plus mpg has been around now for 25 years. What pride is there to be taken in marketing cars that get less? They may be cute. They may be cuddly. But they can't be called inventive simply because they offer a cleverly disguised CD player and GPS for the map challenged. How many small cars does one need to choose from? There's plenty of them, with good mileage. AFAIK, a cd player doesn't hurt. Neither does GPS, if you drive, for example in an Italian town you've never been before. Saves fuel and sheet metal. The inventiveness stays with safety in small cars, there's been terriffic progress in the last 25 years. Look up the EuroNCAP reports for Renault's small cars. All got five stars, all you can get. And yes, they are inventive. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] first time post- first batch
Mark, you're not serious making a first batch of 100 gal, are you? Have you made any trial batches? How'd it go? How do you wanna heat a 100 gal of WVO? Cheers, Aleks Hello all.My name is Mark Rose.I live in Yarmouth Nova Scotia,Canada.I am new to the list and have been preparing for some time for my first batch of biodiesel. I have a decent supply of waste fat and have approx 130 gallons ready to process.The processor is a 250 gallon stainless milk tank with built in variable speed agitator.We are about two weeks from our first mix of 100 gallons. I'm looking for a little tech advice and hoping also to find biodieselers in eastern Canada to talk to about this process.I have been doing alot of reading (this list is great!) online and have learned much.(although nearly not enough) I'm unsure as to how long I should mix my first batch (100 gal) and if the agitator speed is crucially important.The forward speed of my tank mixer is not as fast as the reverse speed (wash cycle).Should I mix longer than two hours? Should I let it settle longer than 24 before pouring off the glycerin?(should still be warm enough to pour-fully insulated tank) Thanks in advance for your interest.Looking forward to your reply..Mark Rose - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] China VW Competition - Golf ECO.Power
snip That's ~62 mpg, ten more miles per gallon than the 1.6 liter, four cylinder diesel of Rabbit and mid 1980's Golf fame. Don't know if a 20% improvement in 20-25 years is all that great. But at least it's an improvement, providing it ever becomes a production vehicle, especially when all the other auto makers are moving in the opposite direction. Todd Swearingen What all the other auto makers? Don't forget Peugeot, Renault, Opel, Skoda, Seat, Audi, yeah, even Saab, Volvo, BMW, Mecedes-Benz, and there are again Toyota, Honda, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Ford, Hyunday, Mazda, Suzuki ... to name but a few, building really safe, good, comfortable and economic diesel cars. I believe you meant the minority of auto makers on the other side of the Atlantic. Let's not just linch all other auto makers than Volkswagen ... There's a lot going on outside the USofA. Cheers, Aleks snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
While I know some of you think that anyone who buys a new car is nuts, some of us just don't have the time to play back yard mechanic. I learned long ago that hiring someone to do the kind of work that needs to be done with an older car means bankruptcy. The old adage of if you want it done right do it yourself is really true of keeping cars running. Building a sustainable farm takes all my time. That said, My Dear Husband would like to know what the opinion of the 2005 Volkswagon Golf TDI is? He is buying me one this Friday and we hope to run biodiesel in it after it is off warranty. Kim, Don't do it. We've had trouble over here in Europe trying to run 2004 wagens on neat bio with horrible results. Of course my friend running this car did not tell it at the shop it was running on bio, so vw fixed the thing for free. The change included injectors, pump and OBD. Strangely, the instruction booklet doesn't mention any big no-no regarding fuel, as opposed to the V6 tdi passat, in which it is strictly forbidden to drive on biodiesel ... The biodiesel is within EU standars, except present water level (was 1000 mg/litre). The 04 engine was built to run not on biodiesel but on sunfuel - synthetic fuel from biomass, a project VW and Mercedes Benz joined with german scientists. Buy an earlier model. And even with that one: we had a broken fuel lift pump on a wv polo tdi '03, reason unknown, but it happened while driving on neat bio. Owner paid rather large sum for repair, the car was just a month out of warranty. You should look into 2000 or older models; my oil supplier drives a '96 passat tdi on a 50% blend of WVO and biodiesel during summer and 20% dino in bio in winter - hasn't missed a firing in 4 years now - I know, because he never failed a delivery :-). Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Happy!
YEP! Hic .. #..*.* .*^ ^ :o) Cheers, ...^, hic Aleks ... Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24.12.2004 05:49 Please respond to biofuel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[Biofuel] Happy Happy! Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas, for the Christians, a happy solstice for the pagans, Happy Happy! for all of them and everyone else too, and Happy Humbug for Todd! LOL! And may we all have a happy, healthy, prosperous and productive 2005, peace and goodwill to all mankind, and to all womankind too - thanks for holding up half the sky! Thanks to everyone for everything. Keith and Midori Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] it looks like soapy milk facts
Dermot, transfer esters to a separate washing vessel. That's why samples a and b wash fine and the the batch washed in the reactor doesn't. Aparently some of the glycerinuous phase clings to the surface and, as mentioned by Luc, to the plumbing. I also wash my biodiesel reactor after each batch to ensure that nothing of the glyc phase rests int it. Cheers, Aleks I had the same experience with pump washing. It just doesn't work. It appears to be too violent even if your reaction is perfect. The washing has to be gentle. It would seem to me that the initial wash has got to be quite gentle even with well made biodiesel and that subsequent washes can then be as violent as you like and you will still get good separation. Regards Dermot Here's my rather lengthy query to the group on this subject last summer. I would appreciate any suggestions or help from people who have experience with washing biodiesel by using a pump. I have tried unsuccessfully to do it and have ended up with about 50% mayonnaise. Here's what I did: I heated the used oil, which was over a year old, to 130 degrees centigrade for over an hour to make sure there was no water present. I then took a sample and allowed it to cool before titrating it. I got a titration reading of around 2.7. I did the titration three times and it was always around this figure. I added 4 grams to this figure and made a few one litre test batches mixing 6.7 grams of lye to the methanol. I used 22% methanol (220 ml) in order to ensure a complete reaction. I made sure that the lye mixed completely with the methanol. When I mixed the methoxide with the wvo I got a very good separation and everything seemed fine. I then siphoned off the top layer of biodiesel and added an equal amount of water to it. I shook it about 15 times and I got a good separation within seconds and after maybe an hour I had almost completely clean biodiesel on top and white coloured water underneath. There was no middle layer. After a few days I siphoned off the washed biodiesel and washed it a few more times. Same result, perfect separation after a few hours and it separated quite quickly initially. I will call this sample A. I then took another litre sample of the unwashed biodiesel and ran it through the whole process again to see if I had a complete reaction. I titrated it but it immediately turned purple so I used the figure of 4 grams of lye to mix with the 220 ml of methanol. I mixed the methoxide and biodiesel thoroughly and was pleased to see that I got no separation, indicating that there had been a complete reaction the first time. I washed it again and got good separation very quickly. So far so good. I felt confident enough now to do my first large batch in my processor. By large I mean 50 litres. My processor is an old discarded plastic tractor mounted spray tank. It is rectangular in shape but has a slight cone shaped bottom. I use a pump mixer to pump the contents from the bottom of the tank to the top where I have a three quarter inch pipe connected to a wand which has about 40 small holes drilled to enable good mixing. This wand is submerged near he bottom of the tank. The pump is a sliding vane type and is powered by a 2 horsepower motor running at 1750 rpm. I heated the wvo in a separate heater tank using a butane burner and brought it up to 65 degrees centigrade. I then transferred it by pump to the reaction vessel and turned on my pump. I then gradually added the methoxide mixture (at room temp) to the pump inlet and mixed away for about an hour to ensure good mixing. I have the reactor tank well insulated so the temperature didn't drop below 55 degrees centigrade during the reaction time of one hour. Next morning I saw that everything went very well. I had good separation and the glycerine had fallen to the bottom and was liquid, just as the trial batches had been, so it was easy to draw off the glycerine. I drew off a pint of biodiesel and did the wash test by shaking it vigorously for about ten shakes. I got good separation almost immediately and it cleared to lovely biodiesel and milky water in a few minutes. I drained off the water and let the biodiesel air dry for a few days when it turned the nice clear straw yellow. Call this sample B. I was happy that I had made good biodiesel so I decided to pump wash the biodiesel in the reaction vessel. I added to the approximately 50 litres of biodiesel about 30 litres of water and circulated it through the processor for about half an hour. The result was mayonnaise. I let it settle for a day and then drained off the milky white water. The only problem was that before long I realised that most of the mixture was at this stage mayonnaise so I stopped draining off the lower layer. What was left of the mixture(about 20 litres) I put into a plastic carboy and went on holidays for a week. When I came back I had three layers; the top 30 percent was biodiesel, a large middle layer of
Re: [Biofuel] Questions regarding biodiesel processing
Rob, I have made small scale and feel able to continue to make small scale batches. Move to actual fuel production with straight base methods. Drive on the fuel for a while. Most skills you'll gain will help you in any type of process you should use; the only thing is, that the two stage can play you some tricks - troubleshooting will be in order then. Troubleshooting, while helping you out, is a waste of energy and precious chemicals. I do have three reliable ongoing sources for oil, but have not titrated. My impression based on reading Aleks' fool proof method is that the acid-base two stage process is accomodating of all potential oils - is that not correct? The two stage a/b will make fuel out of many different oil sources, but I'm of course not claiming anything goes 100%. But it will do a thing for you no straight base will do: it enhances your yield. Conservation of resources is crucial, even for biodiesel, especially since bio is not 100% renewable. Not to mention the extra % of yield will drammatically lower the price of your fuel (that's what I was after - should have named it differently, I relize that). He does also mention arriving at an empirical 3.25 g lye per litre, so perhaps the pH of the oil does matter to some extent? Input oil quality: It does matter, as in anything you might cook : You can easily make pie out of dogshit, it just won't taste good - old Slovenian saying. snip Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of his resources keeping us (the nuthouse) alive for, how many years now? Journey has a donation button also. Both of them should deserve at least some expense coverage from us all. Cheers, Aleks Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14.12.2004 19:26 Please respond to biofuel To: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Strae liegen, da sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
Hi Aleks, Johan Sake brewers do it a different way. Do you know about this Aleks? Yep. Momentarily I don't have enough space to try these mash/fermentations. Hopefully, in a year or so. snip Huh? Bush what? Bushwhacked? LOL! :o)_ . Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CO2 and CO Biodiesel Emissions Reduction
Mamuel, Thank you for the explanation. Glad you like it :-). After your hints and further investigation it seems a 50% reduction of CO is a good average estimation for CO reduction while it is dependent on engine technology, engine tuning and feedstock used. Yes. As for CO2, there is only a negligible reduction at the exhaust pipe and to be honest, when we talk about the benefits of using biodiesel, we should be very clear explaining that the 80-100% of CO2 reduction claimed on almost every article and book on biodiesel is true only on the global scale and only if the full energy cycle is considered. I believe it is meant in this way, not to be exactely 100% as a part of our fuel comes from dinosaur gas (methanol). Alkalis and acids also need some dino heat to be produced, so, no, it is not a net 100% reduction with biodiesel, but it is a helluvalot better than driving on pure dinosaur oil. In other words, the people using biodiesel in a particular metropolitan area, will not experience any noticeable reduction on the emissions of CO2 to the air that they breath. Only, in the longer term, they will (hopefully!) experience the benefits of reduced global warming which is not at all unimportant however not direct and not easily measurable. Ah! But a very large and noticeable reduction of particulate matter, which is more important. CO2 causes just heat (and is/was largely absorbed by the oil bearing plant), particulate matter causes immediate lung diseases including cancer and a slow and painful death. I think your matropolitans will prefer a net about 80% CO2 reduction plus a net about 75% PAM reduction in a, ah hell, a not perfect biofuel, to slow and painful deaths in the city, polluted by dinosaur oil exhaust. Skol, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
I have been doing a lot of reading over the last few weeks; I would like to distil my own ethanol but have a slight problem. I live in Africa and would appreciate it if anybody can supply me with a brand name for alpha beta-amylases. Is there any alternative besides barley? Sure, corn malt. You couldn't do a thing with barley, still need to malt it. Malted grains contain all the enzymes you need. Will I be able to recycle these enzymes; if so how? Malt your corn for every batch. It's easy. Wet corn, allow to sprout in damp warm place, wait for small rootlet to form and dry for storage or grind and use immediately in mash. I have been printing and reading all the available information on JtF web page but cannot seem to find the quantities used for preparing the mash, both for enzymes and yeast. I have no idea how big MOTHERS spoons are. Rule of thumb: 60% of all your grist needs to be mashable, and you need to liquify whatever starch you fill in as an adjunct (sorry, beer lingo). You need roughly 80 M cells/ml if you want a strong start in fermentation. Menaning, your starter needs to be of 20% your fermentable volume to complete quickly. Yeast can be reciycled for several fermentations if you keep it happy (plenty oxygen on the start and temperature control during fermentation). How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? Huh? Bush what? Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
I have been doing a lot of reading over the last few weeks; I would like to distil my own ethanol but have a slight problem. I live in Africa and would appreciate it if anybody can supply me with a brand name for alpha beta-amylases. Is there any alternative besides barley? Sure, corn malt. You couldn't do a thing with barley, still need to malt it. Malted grains contain all the enzymes you need. Will I be able to recycle these enzymes; if so how? Malt your corn for every batch. It's easy. Wet corn, allow to sprout in damp warm place, wait for small rootlet to form and dry for storage or grind and use immediately in mash. I have been printing and reading all the available information on JtF web page but cannot seem to find the quantities used for preparing the mash, both for enzymes and yeast. I have no idea how big MOTHERS spoons are. Rule of thumb: 60% of all your grist needs to be mashable, and you need to liquify whatever starch you fill in as an adjunct (sorry, beer lingo). You need roughly 80 M cells/ml if you want a strong start in fermentation. Menaning, your starter needs to be of 20% your fermentable volume to complete quickly. Yeast can be reciycled for several fermentations if you keep it happy (plenty oxygen on the start and temperature control during fermentation). How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? Huh? Bush what? Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CO2 and CO Biodiesel Emissions Reduction
Manuel, There is many articles and studies about the reduced emissions of CO2 and CO when using biodiesel as compared to diesel emissions. Most sources document 80-100% reduction of CO2 and 50% reduction of CO. Can be even better. Provided the calorific energy of biodiesel is quite similar to that of normal diesel, and both are hidrocarbon compounds, how it comes the emissions of CO2 and CO can be so much lower at the engine exhaust pipe. (not talking about the full energy cycle, including the CO2 absorbed by the crops and so on). During combustion, Where the energy comes if not from Carbon? Where the carbon goes if not to CO2 and CO? True. Are the CO2 and CO emissions from biodiesel really lower than diesel emissions? Yes. If so, do you know why? A chemical or stechiometrical explanation. Look at the ester molecule. The catch lies in the oxygen bridge between the alcohol and acid component of the ester. This has two advantages: because the molecule breaks at the bridge the smaller part oxydizes first, rapidly causing a smal temperature bump up for the next step(s). The second advantage is, that the fuel carries oxygen inside the molecule, thus further leanning the fuel/air mixture. I'm sure there are other pluses, but these two are the ones I know of. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Devastating news ...
PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY DESTROYED BY FIRE Crawford, Texas-- A tragic fire this morning destroyed the personal library of President George W. Bush. Both of his books have been lost. A presidential spokesman said the president was devastated, as he had almost finished colouring the second one. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Please explain the chemestry
Roy, I have just made my first batch of fuel, it worked just great considering the rough measuring used. Thanks for all the info. I have a few questions someone may care to answer though. On mixing the lye with the methanol a (part) chemical reaction seems take place. I assume it is a reaction and not just a solution because heat is produced. Dissolving most of ionic compounds produces heat (latent heat stored in the chemical bonds of the compound) apart from a few (ammoniun nitrate for one which cools when dissolved - used as snow concrete in ski WC competitions and, of course, is very bad for alpine pastures used as skiing ground). Methanol, being the first in the row of alcohol chains retains a lot of polar characterics, much like water. Although all alcs are at least slightly polar (the huge minus charge or electron presence above the O atom). I say part because the amount of lye varies with the oil type not the methanol quantity, therefore leaving differing amounts of methanol un-reacted each time. Not very true. The amount of reacted meth is depending only on the number of molecules of oil which aremethylated in the process. The amount of lye is 3.5 g/l + whatever needed to neutralize FFAs. Will someone un-confuse my thinking on this bit, like what is really happening here? Next, when one puts the above concoction into the oil what is actually happening and in what order? Why is the lye added to the methanol and not the oil directly? High school chemistry textbook organic chemistry nucleophillic substitution. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles
The hybrid Hummer. All diesel subs starting well before WW2. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Washing Gone Wayward
Chickensoup! (at least a mild case). When heating does not disperse an emulsion you have to resort to heavier mallets. Usually lowering/raising the pH does the trick. Since you do not want any more emulsion, you should lower the pH, using citric acid, vinegar or phosphoric acid in na 10% or less solution. Turn on your bubler on and add the acid (5%) of your washing water. Wash as usual, followed by at least 2x water only and reheat. This should do the trick. Next time dont mix the bottom layer of washed bio with water and bio. It seems to be an emulsifier. I collected these bottom inch layers in a separate vessel and after some settling you can still save a lot of bio when the vessel is full. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Washing Gone Wayward
Excellent insight Aleks, thank you very much. I'll give it a shot and post my findings. My goodness, the learning curve is time intensive! Now, however, I'm curious as to why mono or di glycerides would concentrate in the wash water. Enough catalyst but not enough methanol? Incomplete reaction? h. Thanks again, Joey Mono and di-glycs, for one, have a bigger molecular weight than methylates, meaning, as a rule of thumb, a bigger specific weight. Thus, on the other hand, meaning a concentration in the bottom portion of your brew. And some mono and di-glycs are also emulsifiers, which perforce positions them between the water (the polar phase) and the esters (non-polar phase). So, they don't concentrate in the wash water but in the whole phase divide. What should you do? Can't really say, I don't know your process. A few tricks: you could mix a little longer, add more meth, add more lye, combine the three, play with the temperature. None of these solutions might give a satisfactory result, as the TE reaction never really completes. It somewhat depends on the quality of the oil. Find biodiesel troubleshooting also on JtF and in the archives. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general s heeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
snip It is human nature to believe in A HIGHER BEEN because we all look for a father or mother figure to cling to. Um, I am a strong believer of higher beans ... :-) ... red kidney especially. And that these beans cling to poles :o). Yum. Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Other People
Kim, excellent morning reading :-)_ Cheers, Aleks Sorry, I forgot I can't send an attachment. Here is the article for those who wanted to read it. Bright Blessings, Kim We Are the Other People by Oberon Zell Ding-dong! goes the doorbell. Is it Avon calling? Or perhaps Ed McMahon with my three million dollars? No, it's Yahweh's Witlesses again, just wanting to have a nice little chat about the Bible...:: Boy, did they ever come to the wrong house! So we invite them in: Enter freely and of your own will... (Hey, it's Sunday morning, nothing much going on, why not have a little entertainment?) Diane and I amuse ourselves watching their expressions as they check out the living room: great horned owl on the back of my chair; ceremonial masks and medicine skulls of dragons and unicorns on the wall; crystals, wands, staffs, swords; lots of Goddess figures and several altars; boa constrictors draped in amorous embrace over the elk horn; white doves sitting in the hanging planters; cats and weasels underfoot; iron dragon snorting steam atop the wood stove; posters and paintings of wizards and dinosaurs and witchy women, some proudly naked; sculptures of mythological beasties and lots more dinosaurs; warp six on the star-filled viewscreen of my computer; a five-foot model of the USS Enterprise and the skeleton of a plesiosaur hanging from the ceiling; very, very many books, most of them dealing with obviously weird subjects... To say nothing of the great horned owl perched on the back of my chair and the Unicorn grazing in the front yard. You know; early Addams Family decor. : And then, of course, it being late in the morning, you can expect Morning Glory to come wandering out naked, looking for her wake-up cup of tea. Morning Glory naked is a truly impressive sight, and the Witlesses look as if she'd set titties on stun as they stand immobilized, hands clasped over their genitals. With the stage set and all the actors in place, the show is ready to begin. : : Their mission, of course, it to save our heathen souls by turning us on to The Word of the Lord - their Bible. I guess they figure some of us just haven't heard about it yet, and we're all eagerly awaiting their joyous tidings of personal salvation through giving our rational faculties to Jesus. Every time they come around, I look forward to trying out a new riposte. Sure, it may be cruel and sadistic of me, but hey, I didn't call them up and ask them to come over; they entered at their own risk! : : This time should be pretty good. After letting them run off their basic rap while lovely Morning Glory serves us all hot herb tea, I innocently remark: But none of that applies to us. We have no need for salvation because we don't have original sin. We are the Other People. : : Hunh? What? they reply eloquently. It's clear they've never heard this one before. : : Right, I say. It's all in your Bible. And I proceed to tell them the story, using their own book for reference: : : Genesis 1:26 - The [Elohim] said, Let us make humanity in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth. : : Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should properly be translated Gods or Pantheon. : : 27 The Gods created humanity in the image of themselves, In the image of the Gods they created them, Male and Female they created them. : 28 The Gods blessed them, saying to them, Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all living animals on the earth. : : Now clearly, here we are talking about the original creation of the human species: male and female. All the animals,plants, etc. have all been created in previous verses. This is before the Garden of Eden, and Yahweh is not mentioned as the creator of these people. The next chapter talks about how Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon, goes about assembling his own special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden, and making his own little man to inhabit it: : : Gen 2:7 - Yahweh God fashioned a man of dust from the soil. Then he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the man became a living being. : 8 Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in the east, and there he put the man he had fashioned. : 9 Yahweh God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden. : 15 Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to cultivate and take care of it. : Now this next is crucial: note Yahweh's precise words: 16 Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden. 17
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums to carboy safely
Drum in upright position: remove the small cap and fit a ball valve (preferably teflon inner husing) with a hose connector on the other side into the threads, sealing with teflon tape. Lay the drum flat on a stand (make of wood, or if enough skilled weld of steel tubes). Takes two quite strong chaps. Rotate the drum in suitable position (valve at bottom), attach hose to connector with hose clamp and ground drum. Put hose into carboy, open ball valve. After a few litres come out, flow stops, close ball valve, grab drum cap spanner, crack open the big cap and bleed some air in. Continue filling carboy. Once about 35 litres of meths is out, crack open big cap before transferring, close after finished (meths level is now lower than big cap). Cheap, safe. You should be able to get a ball valve and barbed hose connectors, hoses etc. at your home improvement store, just take a small cap with you for size reference. Cheers, Aleks After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not come across any recent scenarios of dispensing methanol from a 55 gal metal drum to a BD methoxide processor (carboy) with only one exception. (On Journey to Forever's site) One chap using a 55 gal poly drum of methanol with a special bung cap fitted with a tire valve plug /shaft. The listed method is from memory, but I believe it is ...Applying compressed air to the tire plug will create pressure within the drum to exhaust pressured output (methanol) or pump methanol to the methoxide container etc. To purchase a 55 gal. drum or drums of methanol is a vast saving compared to buying meth. in 5 gal pails here on the northeast coast of the US. Methanol is your most expensive raw material when it comes to biodiesel production. My first question is 1.) How to dispense the Methanol from a 55 gal drum to my carboy safely using approved drum equipment? Model number of hand pumps helps to include with reply!! etc.? How do you ground the drum? I can make a ground 55 gal drum clamp w/wire and ground it to the earth. -Solved Method of delivery? Not sure how the chap purchased the Methanol in a poly drum, or maybe he transferred it, since methanol should most likely be sold in a metal drums?. 2.)Question is: Can't find a rated 55 gal. drum pump (hand) to use for methanol that is explosive proof and is rated for methanol. Any help Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
Yo Keith/community! Well, all is well that ends well. I tuned the pump myself yesterday, loosened the spring tensioner device of the diaphragm somewhat (to start spritzing fuel in at a lower turbo boost) and I then minimally enriched the mixture by rotating the eccentric pin towards a richer setting. Bosch fuel pumps are no taboo for me anymore. Nor is the crappy Bosch service. I found all the neccessary adjustments on the lrenthusiast webpage, technical section (under more power). All the settings are equal for any Bosch VE (distributor) pump. Result: reasonable low end pull, no noticeable smoke increase. Oh, and I made it through the smoke opacity test 2 weeks ago: 0.34 of 3.5 allowed. Like a new TDI engine. Cheers, Aleks Damn you say, LOL! We said Damn for just the opposite reason, and I imagine Luc said something similar. Our Town-Ace's tank had a lot of rust in it, though not eaten right through (like both our Land Rovers' tanks were). Not caused by biodiesel though. I think what happened is that the car stood idle for quite a while before it was sold, and the diesel fuel they sell here (and most other places?) is not exactly free of water - let them stand, and they rust. Heard of another such case not long ago with a Mercedes in the US. Anyway, biodiesel, being the wonderful stuff that it is, loosens the rust, which then clogged up the sediment filter, which is INSIDE the tank - you have to take the whole tank out to get at the filter. It was thoroughly gunged up with rust. This we discovered after the Town-Ace more or less stopped going, obvious case of fuel starvation. We threw away the sediment filter and cleaned the tank out, it was just surface stuff, though there was quite a lot of it, but no need for any further treatment. Then we replaced the sediment filter with one from a Kubota tractor, fitted outside the tank, thankyou, plus an extra 10 micron filter downstream of that, no more problem. This after 18 months of running on B100. No problems with any of the leads or plastic, all in good order - I agree, if properly made, biodiesel won't do them any harm. For the record, it's also 14 years old, a 1990 Toyota Town-Ace 4x4 van 1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel. We're thinking on similar lines Aleks. We've got an Elsbett system, we'll be fitting it in a week or two, very nice too. I think this is the second one in Japan. Our friend Wada-san has the first, on his Golf. He came to visit us after he installed it, running on SVO instead of biodiesel. Well, WVO actually, from his office canteen. They'd told him it was good oil. He gave me a sample, but it didn't look too good to me. I tested it. It titrated at 7.5 ml, yuk! Poor Wada-san was deeply shocked. I don't think he eats at the office canteen anymore. I gave him a supply of 1 ml titration WVO, properly filtered, and a titration lesson, plus some biodiesel to help dilute the horrible stuff in his tank (which doesn't have a drain). Regards Keith Oh, and it was about 5.200 litres of bio running through (150 batches in 35 litre reactor) I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Tweaking a Bosch VE pump
Everybody, since I got a lot offline traffic For those who like to tinker on a fuel pump: A land rover forum should be where to look for. I can't try this here at work (no internet allowed as for previous non work related searches i.e. biofuels, JtF ... here's democracy forya). Start at this one dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/more_power/Power_ve.htm read the ram page first, then there's a link to the lr, read it WHOLE, grab your toolbox and get started. READ EVERYTHING ON THE LR THREAD! You can do damage if you are not entirely sure of what you're doing! Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
Oh, and it was about 5.200 litres of bio running through (150 batches in 35 litre reactor) I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re sec ond stage method
the two stage method is ok for high ffa content but still produces inferior products the glycerine is horrible for making soap and i have my doubts about the bd product it still retains that awful smell and there is a not a good return ratio especially with no soap by product we abandoned the two stage process, after substantial investment, because it did not meet our needs. What kind of two stage did you use? Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel QA
koal2.cop.fi/leonardo/ Look it all up, somewhere on the webpage there's some info on quality testing. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
I use the same kind, no binder made briq's, for the bulk of my winter heating. Less than 2 kg of these briq's are the thermal equivalent of one litre of heating oil. I need about 1 metric ton per winter, and it's 3 times cheaper than heating oil per kWh of heat. The shawings and sawdust are produced in a woodworking shop that makes parquette flooring, the briq's are just a byproduct to get rid of the shawings and dust. Aleks Hi Peter, my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the Presszylinder. Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not allowed to burn Waste in an industrial shop) The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no ashes! A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine can not handle wet stock! you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses my Model is SHB50 if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to understand that
RE: [Biofuel] How to choose a Biodiesel car or van???
Dan, The ELSBETT engine sounds appealing, but I have no idea how hard it would be to match one to my station wagon, how hard it would be to find a mechanic comfortable with this relatively unknown engine ( in these parts), and I really have no sense of what this thing would cost from the web page ( cost of engine, shipping fees, cost of mating transmission to it, etc). Anybody have any answers for this ? :-) AFAIK: Elsbett three cyl., 1500 ccm, split piston diesel engine These engines are years out of production. One of the reasons for the financial collapse of the original Elsbett company was a production attempt in south America. Elsbett also sold licensing to Russia. You may perhaps be able to trace one (a narrow chance, though, and you will be forced to heavily auction and beat me :-)) at Ebay, they a re still driving over here in Europe. They are made to replace VW engines mostly, but other car conversions shouldn't be a problem. The present Elsbett company is involved in one or two tank conversions for diesel engines to run on neat veg oil. Fresh oil, not WVO. Also, the inventor of the engine, Elsbett sr., died a few years ago. His son (?, I think) is a lot more into solar/biomass stirling engines. A friend of mine visited him in november '03 and saw the stirling running on wood pellets - took pictures. Wow. Aleks snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Combine sawdust with hacked rice straw (about 2 in long) as a filler and mix in poor concrete or concrete milk. Cast porridge in wooden forms (blocks several inches or panels desired inches thick) and use for insulation between rafters. Straw panels made this way are still widely used in Slovenija (sandwich : cast porridge- styrofoam-cast porridge). Blocks are held together with cement mortar, panels are screwed ot nailed to the construction. Plaster on both sides and you've got a nice wall with some thermal mass, or don't plaster and just paint and you get a nice rustic wall. Alternatively combine sawdust and hacked rice straw with clay to make plasters, bricks, cast walls (an adobe variation, is it?). Depending on climate, outer walls made this way should be protected by suitable overhangs. Sawdust by itself could make insulation in hollow spaces in walls, but should be treated with perborate to fireproof (nontoxic). All this can be made by hand. If funding kicks in, buy hydraulic press for wood bricks, doesn't need binder but a lot of pressure (power, this can't be made by hand). Aleks Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to understand that there are many organisations, private sector companies engaged in this business. We thought of searching for a simple technology that could be introduced to the low-income generation groups in the area, especially to the women, who could produce some type of an item to the market, could be a fire log, a briquette or an item that could be used in daily life. If we could introduce this type of a technology then it will help the poor to generate income. On the other side it will arrest the pollution problem in the area and save public money that is spent at present for clearing and dumping. Considering the above we are very much obliged if you could help us in finding a technological enterprise who would willing to conduct an investigation on this matter. Since ours is a NGO, we are unable to fund such a programme. If the programme proves to be successful, we may be able to convince a suitable and sympathetic funding agency to support the initial stages of this challenging project. I send an article as an attachment to this e-mail that describes the problem in the area. We sincerely hope that you will give your sympathetic consideration to this request. Thanking you and hoping to hear from you favourably, Sincerely yours, Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION. --- Attachment: Consuming the Bolgoda... : An eco-system in peril by RAPTI SIRIWARDANE-de ZOYSA Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:19:50 PM It has already been said a countless number of times, in a considerable number of ways by a numerous number of people, from journalists and environmentalists to the local communities inhabiting the area. For indeed, thanks to widespread and sustained media attention, activists and NGOs have been able to garner support pushing for the conservation of the Bolgoda Lake and its surrounding wetlands. The uncontrolled dumping of industrial effluent, agricultural pesticides and untreated sewage leading to depleting mangrove reserves and the immense loss of biodiversity, an ever-increasing population density due to its recreational value and scenic beauty, and now the construction of the Colombo - Matara Expressway to join the long catastrophic laundry list, inevitably prompts
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
- Original Message - From: m gildow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? What does the instruction booklet say? If the factory forbids the use of bio, stick with it. I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Well, Mel, ( I just had to do that) from what is my understanding ALL new model european cars are BD friendly since the 80's. I could be a little off on the actual dates but it is a sure thing for recent models, from the info posted here in the past. L. Not true. Opel in his new DI engines forbidds use of bio in any form. New VW models do not tolerate biodiesel also (any form, not even B5) in some engines. We have had a LC Toyota (100 series) with a totally broken IP after only 6.000 km on neat bio (costly repair, 12.000 US). We've been in the EU for a very short time (meaning biofuels are legal now in Slovenija) and have had serious damage on engines. I could go on and on: BMW - no good OBD shuts the engine down, Peugeot - will stop engine, beacuse antiPM chemical injected in the exhaust is not compatible with neat bio, Mercedes - OBD gets all fuzzy, can't recognize the neat bio as a fuel ... I recently learned thet people in Germany, though having neat bio at quite a lot of fuel stations, actually don't drive on it and strongly recommend against. Except for farmers and bus fleets owned by cities, very few people drive on bio. VW alone reported about 20M? spent in repairs on warranted VW cars in 2003 for biodiesel usage related damages. Sooo: not all cars come biodiesel ready. Some need to be ordered biodiesel compliant (BMW, Merc, ...) some don't even have this option. Specially suited are older TDIs, most prechamber engines (modification), most new heavy machinery diesels (some need the obvious hoses and gasket change, CAT for example) and most newer gensets. I'm not having good experiences with my car, and I have certified DIN compliant fuel. And, it's not only the gaskets on the pump shaft, if you're wondering. The whole rotor assembly needed to be renewed, it wasn't very expensive, but this means the fuel is not safe for my car in its neat form. Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] Re: biodisel in Canada
Hello Adrian! And how exactely would we do that? Biodiesel lounch is difficult in countries without the knowledge of biofuels existance. Keith, please send a team over! Valium and streight jackets and everything included. Soon to be two frustrated people here, banging heads against concrete walls. Cheers, Aleks Hi Aleks Probably me and you are in the same position : struggling for the launch of biodiesel industry in our countries (Poland and Slovenia). Why don't we join forces to work out new solutions for CEE countries on how to start biodiesel (biofuel) industry here ? Best regards Adrian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Sodium hydride
No way by heating. Sodium hydride (NaH) is made electrolitically. A sodium bar is sunk in saltwater and made into a cathode and put to power. Remember the 'cold fusion? Well, this is not very far away. There are some other ways but none of them is cheap - sodium lye for one is cheap, but when heated it just melts (very high melting point, though). Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Dale's machine
WOW! Boys and girls, 't looks like R2D2 (in a cage)! Terrific! A bit complicated for me of course, but it makes a nice portable reactor. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Rapeseed emissions - no more,please
There is another strong reason to consider: a scientist, who's funds are running out and is not as popular in the science com- munity decides to take sides. He makes enemies, gains some funds (it doesn't really matter where they come from, if his dept is just so little far away from being closed) and last, but not least he makes some new friends. Analysis results can be interpreted in different ways, that's always so. Cheers. Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Rapeseed emissions more polluting than diesel - study
Burning oil in an open combustion chamber is not the same as pressure burning in the engine (yes, in a diesel engine the fuel burns, it does not explode). But it is not far from the truth when you say diesel exhausts cause cancer. Dinod exhaust contains different cancerogene substancies as biod's, though. Our main adversaries in the battle against cancer are nitrouos oxides. Both dino and bio produce them. Infact you can see them : its a very bright blue colored gas (provided the engine does not burn its motor oil, which you can smell), but nevertheless these gasses are the uglyest thing comming out a diesel engine; soot is not as dangerous and with biod you almost can't produce sulphur oxides or aromatic substances. Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 252
You are absolutely right. But a molecule of water weights just 18 g/mol. Another possibility to drain water may be osmosys which requires a membrane. *i don't know why it works, but old pilots like myself used to filter our aircraft gas through a 'chamoix', that is a wool-less sheepskin. the gas would go through ok, but the water would not. did it for safety when flying in the hinterlands. A chamoix is is actually deerskin. It's terribly waterloving, if dry it can suck up tremendouos amounts of water. When completely saturated it won't do any good anymore though. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: screens
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@egroups.com rever.orgcc: Subject: [biofuel] Re: screens 11.01.2001 20:19 Please respond to biofuel Someone mentioned a micron screen for diesel fuel that would not pass water (so to speak!). Any ideas? Nope. It would rather let pass water than diesel (water is a MUCH smaller molecule). There are some membranes available, which are now used more and more in solvent recovery after solventogenic fermentation of scrap organic matter in the production of biofuels. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: screens
DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@egroups.com .nz cc: DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: screens 12.01.2001 06:45 Please respond to biofuel Keith, I doubt if thats possible. Believe a diesel molecule would be bigger than a water molecule. One molecule of water as H20 is after all only three atoms although the molecular weight is something like 33 (1 x 1 plus 2 x 16 offhand). Out of my depth unfortunately and I quickly get lost. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Aleks with your vastly superior knowledge of chemistry please enlighten us if possible. Believe it may be possible to pass water rather than diesel on this basis if I am correct about molecule size. B.r., David You are absolutely right. But a molecule of water weights just 18 g/mol. Another possibility to drain water may be osmosys which requires a membrane. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re:Dale's machine
The trap works very much like the oil traps in air compressors. I used the pressure pot from a paint spraying system. It holds about ten liters. Uhm, don't quite get it. (not so good in engineering). I plan to borrow a camera and post pictures this weekend. Steal all you want! I plan to steal your two-stage process for my next batch. Way cool! Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re:Dale's machine
And, of course, those switches. Any special kind? I first evacuate the tank, then suck in the oil through a filter setup that I'm a little too proud of. I mix the methoxide separately, using a drill press with a paint mixer installed, then suck it into the tank. Then flip the pump switch. Watch through the clear hoses and marvel. Later, flip off the pump switch, check for separation, flip on the vacuum pump (which is connected to a liquid trap which is connected to the condenser which is connected to the tank)and watch the excess methanol collect in the trap. When no more collects, I open the tank to the atmosphere and drain off the glycerine. Then suck in water and begin the wash. Okay, okay, maybe I was bragging a little. Uhm, that was really OK. This is nice, I_mean_really_nice! Do you mind if I steal the vacuum-trap-condenser idea? What kind of liquid trap is it? Like oil traps in air compressors? This is a little more complete than Josh's Grease Machine. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
But I'm not sure a biochemist would even drive a diesel, much less make his/her own fuel. They make cheese, mostly. :o). Isn't the acid catalyzed reaction slw? Suslick and his followers claim chemical reactions can be sped up considerably if US is used during the processing. I haven't used acid yet, since my oil has little FFA and I don't relish mixing for eight hours, even intermittently. But if that time could be shortened to 45 minutes... and I could shine UV light on the stuff too. I don't know, Dale. It's not quite convincing me. What if it is 8 h mixing? You don't have to do it by hand. And it's not quite 8 hours. It's just 5 times as much as lye TE and you should know how quick that is. I shouldn't even be thinking about new methods. I just finished and tested a new processor. I've got fuel running out my ears. Brag, brag.;o)Let's see some pictures! Tell us, if you made something special! Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
It would be interesting to apply such power to a small sample of vegetable oil and methanol (or ethanol), without catalyst, and examine the results. Even if this produced no reaction, introduction of an acid catalyst should. Any biochemists out there? Well, you need organic chemists, bios won't do. And why bother with US, if you plan to catalyze? Just mix instead, it's easyer. (an ester bond is not as easyly breakable as you generally might think; consider the strong alkalinity which is used in a lye based TE process) Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Martin Steele
Hey Keith! How are you? Have you made it through New year's eve? In Slovenija it was biting cold. A question. I don't seem to understand Martin's lingo AT ALL. Did you communicate with him? What's his problem? To tell you the truth, I'm quite lost without punctuation. I don't get much from his letters, despite the fact that he is quite nice and always answers my mail. So, what's the story behind this man? I got that he's 41, works with esters for three years and fights the government. No recipe, no advice, no nothing. Do you know more? Am I too dumb to get his english? Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] KOH and saving methanol
A word of warning : saving on methanol is a cheap way to make fuel. You'll get good so-called yield and poor conversion. In other words : Cheating on meth means drivng on glycerids. Are there any other chemists in our group? To help me explain that there is no perpetuum mobile? To help me explain about equlibrium? Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Dial 800-555-TELL. Instant updates - One free call. Sports, stocks, driving directions... much more! http://click.egroups.com/1/10791/0/_/837408/_/976698606/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: FFA@home
Hello Kevin! Let's clear some things for you here! Are you suggesting that the Methanol/Acid ratio is more important than the Acid/Fat ratio. Yes. Sulph acid/Meth should be 1-2ml/100ml. And for complete base tranz your sodium methoxide should be 0.5 M (stands for molar, meaning mols of NaOH per litre of solution). This is a bit low for our standards, but added lots of it you reach our lye consumption. Since we only what to change the FFA in the fat, say a titration of 6-7ml or approx 10gm of NaOH for a base reaction. For the previous the FFA percentage 6% (I cant remember the conversion for FFA percentage) what amount of acid will react with the FFA. You have to determine the amount of METHANOL not acid. Gotten your methanol volume, just pop in 1-2 vol.% of H2SO4. Acid is a true catalyst in this reaction, so it does take part in actual products, hence the non important exact value. Michael indicated that the acid is not consumed during the reaction but would be removed with the Base reaction. So no concerns with acid in engines. Michael suggested that 0.1% acid to the fat would cause a titration of approx 1.4ml Why the estimate? This one can be calculated exactly: for every mol of H2SO4 Two mols of NaOH get neutralized. So smaller amounts of acid will produce lower quantities of water. Hence higher yield. Nope. H2SO4 actually eats water, hence it's use in final stages of alcohol dehydration. Our best results have been with 4ml H2SO4 to 400ml Methanol. Greater than 85% yield. Intuitively got the right figure! Congrats! The 2ml H2SO4 to 400 methanol has not been Base reacted, we are letting it stand to see long term acid reaction. That's the maximum of useful concentration. One can go higher but with no better results. I read this from a cromatography sample prep guide. I believe this guys. Know since Methanol is the highest cost per litre, minimising its use is of prime concern. Wrong going here. Use as much meth as you can afford. Complete conversion is directly connected to methanol input. At present we don't have a reflux reactor for processing or a still for methanol recovery. Reflux is not necessary. Get a flash distillation to recover unreacted methanol. Stage One 1. How much H2SO4 to convert the FFA below a titration of 2.0ml You need to know the meth amount. For every mol of FFA you need one mol of MetOH. than just add 1-2% v/v acid. 2. How much Methanol to carry the Acid. We already have this one. I myself am a chemist, but never bother to calculate. I use meth in large excess. (10% with oil at this stage v/v) Stage Two ( I know this can be split into two stages 3. NaOH amount calculated by titration method, seems to work. With no more FFAs now you need 3.5 g/litre of oil+neutralyzation amount. 4. How much Methanol to carry the Base. At least 15% to oil v/v. 5. What happens if KOH is used instead of NaOH Recalculate amounts to KOH. I never use it because it's far too expensive. Now really Cheers, Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/976601011/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] FFA@home-not a chance!
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@egroups.com rever.orgcc: Subject: [biofuel] FFA 05.12.2000 20:47 Please respond to biofuel FFA can probably be acid catalysed. I've not tried this, but the basic recipe has been looked at by an analytical chemist who thinks it should work. Again : this is called the Fisher esterification process. Please don't try this @ home if non-chemists. Sulph acid heats up nasty while diluting and is the cause for many_a_plastic_surgery. Fumes of that acid are highly corrosive and toxic (SO3). Acid catalysis is a water tolerant process. Use 10% methanol mixed with 2% to 3% concentrated sulphuric acid (or double that of 50% acid). Mix with the oil and stir regularly for at least 24 hours. That is time and material lost. In oreder to get any result at all, the Methanol overdose has to be 5 to 7 fold the stoichiometric value. That one is tryed out. And to finnish, washing is a real bitch. Then leave to settle. Conversion rate is often poor (like 50%), but it is using a material that otherwise can't be made into biodiesel. Ester should rise to the top of tank. It may work with less nasty acids, but we have to begin somewhere. Acetic and citric may be too weak. Phosphoric may be OK. Does not work with any other acids than H2SO4. Cheers, Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/976082287/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and Glucose
Well, first things first: glyc can't be broken down to glucose since it has fewer C atoms. Second: glyc is a flat chain of three C atoms, glucose is a ring compound of five C atoms and one O. So glucose is a heterogeneous ring compound. There is a process called glycerolysys in bio-reactions - apparently it happens in our bodies too, but I'm not quite sure what exactly is happening. A simple way to convert glyc to sugar - that one I don't know. Cheers, Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/837408/_/974267002/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: getting rid of water was Catalysts in transesterification
Hi Aleks I thought YOU where supposed to be telling US ! you're the chemistry tech ;-) Yeah right! You do not know, but you are talking to a failed chemistry student, who is painfully picking up the remains of his knowledge! Will a system something like taking water out of alcohol work? Nope. Too acidic or too alkaline. if NaOH isn't the catalyst but simply an ingedient of methoxide and of the resulting brew can a catalyst be added to speed the Journey or isn't there one for this reaction? Not one I know of. and on the other side if a strong acid is a catalyst therefore isn't alterered in the reaction and can be reclaimed what does it matter if the reaction each time is only 50% IF the unbonded methel or ethel molecules can be used again. H2SO4 can't be easily reclaimed. Trans esterification rate maters because K of the acidic reaction is ~1, meaning the reaction is almost complete only in infinite steps. Another thought for removing water (this one is way out but who knows what nuerons it may shift.) if we pump the reacting solution through a small orifice can we freeze the water out like what happens in the fuel pump? and maybe get rid of a bit of wax at the same time? Nice one, but almost HITEC and energy guzzling. If you have the means, you should definitely check this one out. Cheers, Aleks __ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/837408/_/973242282/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Catalysts in transesterification
For all of you, who care to know a little more: There are actually two kinds of transesterification: alkali based and acid based. This reaction is in chemistry known as NUCLEOPHILLIC SUBSTITUTION. It can be done in two ways : 1.using strong acids as catalysts (this way it is possible to make FFA to alc esters too); 2.or doing a alkali based reaction. Lye IS NOT a catalyst, since it enters the reaction and forms soap. Soap formation is inevitable, because of water formation during transesterification. You can use a combination of both, but can never do acid based reactions solely, because K (konst. of equilibrium) is around 1, which means you get aprox 50% work done. Another trick with the alkali based reaction is to try to pull water out during the raction. It is said, that this way conversions can get up to 98%. So please, help me to find a cheap way to pull water molecules away from the esters and lye. Cheers, Aleks -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/837408/_/973169931/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [Biodiesel] absolute ethanol
Always use crystalline hydrate forming compounds: plaster (CaSO4*2H20) burned lymestone (CaO + H2O = Ca(OH)2 CuSO4*5H2O soda Na2CO3*2H2O etc. --- Ian Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any other chemicals/products that can be used? would silica gel be effective or will it absorb alcohol as well as water? Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Receive 500 minutes of Personal Conferencing FREE. Go to Sprintbiz.com. http://click.egroups.com/1/9786/5/_/837408/_/972303646/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Electrode washing
Hello folks! You should wash vegetable oil contaminated electrodes with DISH SOAP and WATER! Never use any solvent with an epoxy electrode!! Solvent wash is needed if you sample mineral oil products. both petroleum and vegetable oils but that the glass gets coated with oil and a solvent must be used to clean the electrode and the solvent eats at the seals and such which __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Get FREE long-distance phone calls on Tellme! Dial 1-800-555-TELL, say Phone Booth http://click.egroups.com/1/9816/5/_/837408/_/971930400/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: pH checker to use in oils
Oy folks! ALL REGULAR pH METERS WORK IN NATURAL OILS! They are just slower to stabilyze. Oil pH meter electrodes are VERY expensive, because they have to be solvent deterioration proof, meaning they are designed to measure fossil oil products. Cheers, Aleks --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I am doubtful. I know they make special ones just for oils and gas alcohols etc... and they are expensive. I have a soil pH tester and I tried it in oil and it didn't work. I believe it works decent in water.. Hm I might have to play with it some more.. ---Bryan - Original Message - From: aleksander kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: pH checker very cheap You see, pH is a measure for the concentration of H+ or OH- ions in liquids (matter in general). The medium doesn't matter. Organic acids are poorly dissociated, so H+ activity is low. Measurement takes in water 30 sec's and in oil 2 min's. Wash electrode carefully after measuring oils with dish soap and rinse thoroughly first with tap water and at last with just a little of distilled water. Cheers, Aleks --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked this one over pretty carefully.. it is still int eh affordable range if you don't get any attachments. But I could not find anything that would indicate that it worked in oils.. Pretty expensive to buy if it doesn't work for what you want.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Dial 1-800-555-TELL -- You Won't Believe Your Ears! For more details, click here: http://click.egroups.com/1/9537/5/_/837408/_/971846442/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: pH checker very cheap
You see, pH is a measure for the concentration of H+ or OH- ions in liquids (matter in general). The medium doesn't matter. Organic acids are poorly dissociated, so H+ activity is low. Measurement takes in water 30 sec's and in oil 2 min's. Wash electrode carefully after measuring oils with dish soap and rinse thoroughly first with tap water and at last with just a little of distilled water. Cheers, Aleks --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked this one over pretty carefully.. it is still int eh affordable range if you don't get any attachments. But I could not find anything that would indicate that it worked in oils.. Pretty expensive to buy if it doesn't work for what you want.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Restaurants, Movies, Weather, Traffic More! Call 1-800-555-TELL. For more info visit: http://click.egroups.com/1/9533/5/_/837408/_/971758330/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: pH checker very cheap
--- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did and I didn't find anything near that cheap. I got this one. But it' cheaper in the store than over the internet. http://www.davisontheweb.com/shop/page153.html Cheers, Aleks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Get free updates on your stocks from any phone with Tellme! Call 1-800-555-TELL. http://click.egroups.com/1/9535/5/_/837408/_/971697765/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good investment!
--- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really and where might I find something like that? Remember it has to work in oil. Any soil ones I have tested have not worked in oil.. Be interested in knowing your source... Check with your local chemicals and lab equipment suplyer. Also check the Internet. Cheers, Aleks __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Dial 1-800-555-TELL -- You Won't Believe Your Ears! For more details, click here: http://click.egroups.com/1/9537/5/_/837408/_/971326930/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] A crazy thought
their related water line scams, said to improve water quality by snapping a small pair of magnets around your lines. Well, Steve, wrong again, magnetic field actually improves water qualitiy, if less limestone is your goal. Without the maegnetic field limestone crystalyzes in calcyte (cubes) formation, in magnetic field it's aragonyte (needles). Needle crystals can't stick to surfaces and get flushed away. Needs a strong mag field doe. Cheers, Aleks __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Restaurants, Movies, Weather, Traffic More! Access Tellme from any phone. For more info visit: http://click.egroups.com/1/9534/5/_/837408/_/971247741/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good investment!
--- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you invest in an electronic meter you could have used that money to buy almost 400 gallons of regular diesel(G) Well at least the ones I looked at A digital pH indicator (means it has no temp compensation) costs less than 15 US$. It looks like a pencil on steroids. Cheers, Aleks __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Get free updates on your stocks from any phone with Tellme! Click here and you can even personalize these quotes. http://click.egroups.com/1/9536/5/_/837408/_/971247867/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] A crazy thought
Hi, Steve! This is a bit untrue, as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance is used mainly in agriculture to figure out oil content in sunflower seeds, for example. One job back I made this NMR monsters. Magnetic force works mainly on protons, in our case hydrogen prtns, but working with a permanent magnet to shift anything in the molecule you would have to drag around giant and heavy magnets. Cheers, Aleks --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not a valid premise. Magnets have no effect on liquid fuels. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Restaurants, Movies, Weather, Traffic More! Access Tellme from any phone. For more info visit: http://click.egroups.com/1/9534/5/_/837408/_/971153183/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from cellulose
Hi there, David! Currently I'm investigating a no waste tretment of cellulose, namely Saccharification by microorganisms. I have info on two types of cellulose splitting : 1. mycotic splitting by Trychodermas fungus 2. bacterial splitting by the Clostrydium strand - this has to be cellulose without lygnin. Cheers, Aleks --- DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aleks, Thanks for your comments. Your right about a myriad of possibilities but I was trying to simplify the situation and give him some valid starting points. I actually mention enzymes towards the bottom of the Sugar Primer which I wrote several months ago. Those with the greatest longterm potential are probably enzymes and G.M. yeasts. Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your viewpoint G.M.Os. are no longer flavour of the year and a lot of valuable research on G.M.yeasts has come to a grinding halt. Fortunately a lot of work and research continues on enzymes and these will almost definitely provide better longterm solutions. This is an avenue I continue to research and have a great interest in. If you come across anything really interesting or outstanding I would most appreciate hearing. I believe a number of bacteria have possibilities but todate there has been nothing really outstanding. I believe 5 to 6 months ago there was something like 55 Ethanol plants in the States although Pearce Lyons from Alltech and Joe ? from the Siebel Institute who were recently out here tell me that number is being reduced as one or two become redundant because of outmoded technology and a number of plants become concentrated in fewer hands. B.r., David === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Restaurants, Movies, Weather, Traffic More! Access Tellme from any phone. For more info visit: http://click.egroups.com/1/9534/5/_/837408/_/970722614/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: gas stripping
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Nothing makes you feel like a new car So treat yourself the easy way Click below http://click.egroups.com/1/8419/5/_/837408/_/969339000/ -_- I am wondering what you mean by the cold gas you spoke of to strip out the ferment? Are you talking about using gasoline? That is dangerous stuff to work with, as the vapours are poisonous and explosive. Well, by this gas stripping I'm talking about air stripping. Namely, inside the air bubble you get a situation similar to the one on the surface of the liquid mixture. As you know, due to vapor pressure, there is allways some vapor of the liquid above the surface. You can use this effect when you broaden your surface - now being your air bubbles - and lead the vapors into a cold finger duct. The result is a more concentrated liquid mixture. This air stripping method is used in some places to clean dangerous solvents out of drinking water or petroleum. So rig up your aquarium pump, a hose, a large stone an a sealable container. Vaccum the fumes into a cold finger array, but be patient, as the thing requires days. But you don't have to do nothing anyway, so watch the olimpics and let da bubbles do some work. Good luck, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Ethanol drying by pressure
Has anyone tryed drying eth by reverse osmosis? Where I worked before we used a small CHRIST unit for water deionification (we needed very pure water, not even ions were allowed). Such units are easy to operate - there are only cartridges to change and oil to look after in the pump. If you can get a used one it can't be costly. bye, Aleks e|- Are you out of this world? http://click.egroups.com/1/6692/5/_/837408/_/965305339/ |e- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] strange biod smell III
Hey Keith, long time no write ( our mail server was down). The last three batches vent on well. The biod smells kind'a oily and nice. I purchased a digital pH meter-money well spent (~50 USD). But I found out a strange thing in my calculations of lye using my measurements. With starting pH of waste oil of 6,10 one would need very minute amounts of lye to reach neutrality. All you guys say, when titrating your samples, you usualy get giant amounts of lye (1g or more) per liter for this very low acidity. Is it possible that you are trying to get the mixture on a higher pH value than 7? It doesn't make sense to me, because rinsing the ester with pH higher than 10,5 takes a lot of water. And now to the .si thing. I live in Slovenija, which is the northernmost ex Yugoslavia republic. We split away in 1991 and had lots of luck - a ten day war only with very few casualtys and not much material damage. We now border with (W)Italy, (N)Austria, (NE)Hungary and (E)Croatia. Population is 2 milion, land is twice the size of Ciprus, of which 55% is covered with borreal forrest. We have a small piece of the Adriatic coast, the southern alps and lots of small rivers and lakes. Where do you live? Good luck, Aleks Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry experiments. http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/4/_/837408/_/960368538/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] strange smell II
Well Keith,my friend, seems you were right about the fatty acids. I've checked with a friend, who works in a veg oil refinement plant and she told me, that you can split triglycerids and fail to form monoesters (methanol vapours out, not enough stirring,...) All acids don't saponificate, some are left in the mixture. After this I've double checked my pH, and after 15 min the paper showed slightly acidic levels. Old indicator perhaps. Here is her advice: Don't be cheap on the booze (add 3% extra methanol) and, if it doesn't work if you shake it harder, then shake it longer! I've heard that one before. And now to the compost smell. Farmers in my country have a new tech for stock feeding. Fresh grass clippings (which my mother composts, along with food leftovers)get wrapped in PE foil and stay that way till next spring. The grass gets acidic (lactic acid forms, like with sour cabbages). Well, the same happened to my mom, the compost odor was just not very earthy. Thanks anyway! Aleks Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/837408/_/959246995/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
