Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. They don't take any of the dispersed, sustainable, renewable, energy options seriously because to them it's all about power, centralized control and profit at any cost, not a sustainable energy future. This shouldn't come as much of a surprise; corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
This shouldn't come as much of a surprise; corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- Corporations also allow a small business person operate without risking losing their house, 25-year old car, and fairly expensive bird-watching binos in our litigious society. I have two: one that owns my restaurant, one that owns the property. If someone sues me because they fell down in the parking lot, I am protected. If they sue me because they choked on a coke, I am protected. I will lose the business, but not my home and car. Everything is not exactly black and white, now is it? Chris Kueny President Westside Subs, Inc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
correction: large multinational corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- Corporations also allow a small business person operate without risking losing their house, 25-year old car, and fairly expensive bird-watching binos in our litigious society. I have two: one that owns my restaurant, one that owns the property. If someone sues me because they fell down in the parking lot, I am protected. If they sue me because they choked on a coke, I am protected. I will lose the business, but not my home and car. Everything is not exactly black and white, now is it? Chris Kueny Your point is valid. I thought we were referring to large multinational energy corporations, I should have ben more specific with my allegations. m-- President Westside Subs, Inc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ..-. ..- -.-. -.--.-. . -. ... --- .-. ... .. .--. N'attribuez jamais la mchancet cela qui est en juste proportion expliqu par l'incomptence. N. Bonaparte --.- ..- . ... - .. --- -. .- ..- - --- .-. .. - -.-- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Hello Keith, Thanks for all the helpful information. What a sin that so much waste of resource is going on. I will post what I find when I titrate the rice oil. It's also very helpful to get the info on the Elsbett kit. I did speak to a mechanic in Sonoma County, CA, who is using Neoteric components, he has been the only mechanic so far who spoke about the injector and glow plug issues with SVO conversions. So much to learn. It's wonderful to have such a terrific site and community to help in the process! I will pass the information on. Take care, Frieda - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO Hi Frieda Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two-stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates, for ethanol. That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will tell you what you need to know. and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. Should go lower than that. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, 90 - 110. or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Elsbett. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: The secret is injector and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good quality rape seed oil. Or at least good quality oil, if not rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in any combination. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Hello Keith, Thanks for all the helpful information. You're most welcome, glad it helps. What a sin that so much waste of resource is going on. A sin indeed, and barely even the tip of the iceberg. But there's still time to mend our ways, even this late in the game. I will post what I find when I titrate the rice oil. Yes please. It's also very helpful to get the info on the Elsbett kit. I did speak to a mechanic in Sonoma County, CA, who is using Neoteric components, he has been the only mechanic so far who spoke about the injector and glow plug issues with SVO conversions. I think there's a lot more awareness of that in Europe. But then they do have a big headstart on the US. So much to learn. Yes! But it's not as difficult now as it was. It's wonderful to have such a terrific site and community to help in the process! It's good of you to say so, thankyou. I will pass the information on. Take care, Frieda And you Frieda. Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO Hi Frieda Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two-stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates, for ethanol. That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will tell you what you need to know. and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. Should go lower than that. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, 90 - 110. or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Elsbett. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: The secret is injector and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good quality rape seed oil. Or at least good quality oil, if not rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in any combination. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
[Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two-stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates, for ethanol. That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will tell you what you need to know. and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. Should go lower than that. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, 90 - 110. or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Elsbett. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: The secret is injector and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good quality rape seed oil. Or at least good quality oil, if not rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in any combination. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
