Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike

Google prior art patent

I don't think there is much to worry about

That the patent offices themselves don't seem to be much interested 
in checking for prior art is cause for concern.

But I agree, this Ben Gurion University patent is not something I'd 
worry about, as we all seem to agree.

Thanks!

Best

Keith


Keith Addison wrote:

 I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.
 
 Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in
 Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters
 biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.
 
 So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?
 
 Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was
 invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the
 public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which
 dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the
 patent?
 
 Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get
 on with it?
 
 Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air
 noses breathe?
 
 All best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
 it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.
 
 See:
 http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
 (WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
 Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 
 Dear Sirs,
 
 We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
 there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
 seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
 producing energie.
 One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
 organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
 to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
 The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
 are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
 town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
 48% of oil.
 Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
 The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
 internet is a lot of information about that.
 The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
 to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
 small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
 which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
 Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
 but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
 it to difficult in using them  all the time.
 
 
 The problem :
 
 There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
 BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
 GORION UNIVERSITY
 
 
 Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
 transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?
 
 Is this ALL Patent possible?
 
 Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?
 
 Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
 World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,
 
 Thanks for your attention
 
 we remain with kind regards
 
 marc van de velde
 Leningstraat 19
 2140 ANTWERP
 Belgium
 
 
 production and office in POLAND
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-30 Thread Keith Addison
Thankyou very much, folks, that about wraps it up I think.

I'll forward these messages to the Sahel group.

By the way:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5043E/x5043E05.htm
Minor oil crops - Individual monographs (Balanites-Borneo tallow 
nut-Brazil nut-Caryocar spp)

Edible - unlike jatropha:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/FamineFoods/ff_families/BALANITACEAE.html
BALANITACEAE - Famine Foods

Best

Keith


Yes, but I think the problem is that the Patent office does not check the
validity of patents. The test comes when the patent goes to court (so feeding
the Legal fraternity...)

regards Doug

On Saturday 28 April 2007 08:18:05 am Fritz Friesinger wrote:
  Hi Keith,
  to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A
  simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss
  any patentclaim!
 
  Fritz


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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-30 Thread Mike Weaver
Google prior art patent

I don't think there is much to worry about

Keith Addison wrote:

I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.

Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in 
Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters 
biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.

So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?

Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was 
invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the 
public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which 
dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the 
patent?

Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get 
on with it?

Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air 
noses breathe?

All best

Keith


  

I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.

See:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA

Best

Keith




Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

Dear Sirs,

We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
producing energie.
One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
48% of oil.
Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
internet is a lot of information about that.
The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
it to difficult in using them  all the time.


The problem :

There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
GORION UNIVERSITY


Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?

Is this ALL Patent possible?

Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?

Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,

Thanks for your attention

we remain with kind regards

marc van de velde
Leningstraat 19
2140 ANTWERP
Belgium


production and office in POLAND
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-28 Thread DHAJOGLO
There is one precedent set that I know of regarding a patent of what I would 
call an intuitive process.  A while back a company called PanIP held a patent 
for what is basically e-commerce.  It read something like, Any site with 
images that takes credit card numbers...   They started extorting small 
companies with massive lawsuit threats.  I'm not sure in what order things 
occurred, but basically they were finally counter sued and the company had to 
pay back all the legal fees it had incurred in its little rampage.

This gives us a little hope that anyone that is granted a patent for a well 
known and documented process wouldn't be able to enforce infringement.



On Friday, April 27, 2007  6:08 PM, doug wrote:

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:08:00 +1000
From: doug
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

Yes, but I think the problem is that the Patent office does not check the
validity of patents. The test comes when the patent goes to court (so feeding
the Legal fraternity...)

regards Doug

On Saturday 28 April 2007 08:18:05 am Fritz Friesinger wrote:
 Hi Keith,
 to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A
 simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss
 any patentclaim!

 Fritz

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.

Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in 
Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters 
biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.

So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?

Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was 
invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the 
public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which 
dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the 
patent?

Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get 
on with it?

Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air 
noses breathe?

All best

Keith


I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.

See:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA

Best

Keith


 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
 Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 
 Dear Sirs,
 
 We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
 there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
 seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
 producing energie.
 One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
 organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
 to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
 The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
 are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
 town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
 48% of oil.
 Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
 The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
 internet is a lot of information about that.
 The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
 to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
 small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
 which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
 Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
 but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
 it to difficult in using them  all the time.
 
 
 The problem :
 
 There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
 BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
 GORION UNIVERSITY
 
 
 Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
 transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?
 
 Is this ALL Patent possible?
 
 Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?
 
 Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
 World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,
 
 Thanks for your attention
 
 we remain with kind regards
 
 marc van de velde
 Leningstraat 19
 2140 ANTWERP
 Belgium
 
 
 production and office in POLAND
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-27 Thread DHAJOGLO
Keith,
   I think stories of this underscore the broken nature of the patent process.  
The technology is fraught full of this.  Amazon.com patented  the one click 
checkout.  Now, if you distill your e-business site down to one click you are 
infringing on their patent.  Thus, you don't have to invent anything, just be 
the first at the patent office with a process no matter how fundamental or 
natural it may be.

It will be interesting with transesterfication since it's a well documented 
chemical process.  I would venture it would not hold up in court and thus, if 
someone tried to sue, the biodiesel community would get together and attempt to 
fight it since a ruling would effectively impact all producers.

 



On Friday, April 27, 2007  1:21 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.

Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in
Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters
biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.

So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?

Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was
invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the
public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which
dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the
patent?

Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get
on with it?

Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air
noses breathe?

All best

Keith


I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.

See:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA

Best

Keith


 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
 Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
 
 Dear Sirs,
 
 We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
 there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
 seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
 producing energie.
 One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
 organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
 to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
 The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
 are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
 town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
 48% of oil.
 Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
 The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
 internet is a lot of information about that.
 The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
 to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
 small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
 which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
 Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
 but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
 it to difficult in using them  all the time.
 
 
 The problem :
 
 There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
 BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
 GORION UNIVERSITY
 
 
 Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
 transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?
 
 Is this ALL Patent possible?
 
 Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?
 
 Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
 World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,
 
 Thanks for your attention
 
 we remain with kind regards
 
 marc van de velde
 Leningstraat 19
 2140 ANTWERP
 Belgium
 
 
 production and office in POLAND
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-27 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hi Keith,
to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A 
simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss any 
patentclaim!

Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel


  I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.

  Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in 
  Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters 
  biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.

  So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?

  Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was 
  invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the 
  public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which 
  dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the 
  patent?

  Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get 
  on with it?

  Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air 
  noses breathe?

  All best

  Keith


  I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
  it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.
  
  See:
  http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
  (WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA
  
  Best
  
  Keith
  
  
   Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   - Original Message -
   From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
   Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
   
   Dear Sirs,
   
   We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
   there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
   seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
   producing energie.
   One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
   organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
   to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
   The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
   are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
   town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
   48% of oil.
   Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
   The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
   internet is a lot of information about that.
   The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
   to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
   small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
   which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
   Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
   but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
   it to difficult in using them  all the time.
   
   
   The problem :
   
   There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
   BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
   GORION UNIVERSITY
   
   
   Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
   transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?
   
   Is this ALL Patent possible?
   
   Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?
   
   Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
   World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,
   
   Thanks for your attention
   
   we remain with kind regards
   
   marc van de velde
   Leningstraat 19
   2140 ANTWERP
   Belgium
   
   
   production and office in POLAND
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-27 Thread doug
Yes, but I think the problem is that the Patent office does not check the 
validity of patents. The test comes when the patent goes to court (so feeding 
the Legal fraternity...)

regards Doug

On Saturday 28 April 2007 08:18:05 am Fritz Friesinger wrote:
 Hi Keith,
 to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A
 simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss
 any patentclaim!

 Fritz

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[Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-23 Thread Keith Addison
I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If 
it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.

See:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA

Best

Keith


Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

Dear Sirs,

We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts , 
seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for 
producing energie.
One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to 
organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree. 
The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits 
are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the 
town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to 
48% of oil.
Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on 
internet is a lot of information about that.
The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification 
to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood , 
which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator , 
but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes 
it to difficult in using them  all the time.


The problem :

There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from 
BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN 
GORION UNIVERSITY


Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the 
transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?

Is this ALL Patent possible?

Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?

Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations - 
World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,

Thanks for your attention

we remain with kind regards

marc van de velde
Leningstraat 19
2140 ANTWERP
Belgium


production and office in POLAND
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]



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