Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
In Canada Smart Cars start at $16,000 Terry Dyck From: Tony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Did anyone respond to the questions below? Thanks Tony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All, All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks, Tony Marzolino John Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement. I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the front seats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles of it's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it's gas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon! John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetwork Sent: 02 July 2006 08:15 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > ---Original Message--- > From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 > Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for > quite a while. > > Hakan > > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > >while really cool, I have a hard time > >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > > >regards > >tallex > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > 1000+ news sources-resources > > updated daily > > > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next Generation Grid > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > > > >Tomorrow-energy > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz li
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Title: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 For no good reason I have a link for you: http://www.tc.gc.ca/atvp Some specs there. Jesse From: Tony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT) To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 Did anyone respond to the questions below? Thanks Tony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All, All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks, Tony Marzolino John Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement. I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the front seats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles of it's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it's gas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon! John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetwork Sent: 02 July 2006 08:15 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > ---Original Message--- > From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 > Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for > quite a while. > > Hakan > > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > >while really cool, I have a hard time > >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > > >regards > >tallex > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > 1000+ news sources-resources > > updated daily > > > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next Generation Grid > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > > > >Tomorrow-energy > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journ
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Did anyone respond to the questions below? ThanksTony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All,All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks,Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater,it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and stillbe considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> ---Original Message---> From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008> Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56> > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for> quite a while.> > Hakan> > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:> > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the> >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and> >while really cool, I have a hard time> >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,> >> >regards> >tallex> >> >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Get your daily alternative energy news> >> >Alternate Energy Resource Network> > 1000+ news sources-resources> > updated daily> >> >http://www.alternate-energy.net> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Next Generation Grid> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/> >> >> >Tomorrow-energy> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/> >> >> >Alternative Energy Politics> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/> >> >> >> >> >___> >Biofuel mailing list> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sneak preview the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.rd.yahoo.com" claiming to be all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
I want one! John Beale wrote: >Insert: > >I googled Smart hybrid and found that they have a concept hybrid >(diesel-electric, as Mike pointed out) that achieves 81 mpg (2.9 >L/100km). > >Nice. > >-John > > > >On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: > > > >>Hallo Hakan, >> >>No offense intended, but I've been all over Europe and there are plenty >>of big people there. I was (don't ask) at a Mercedes Benz dealers >>convention and most of the men were easily over 6 feet and at least 250 >>lbs. Look at Hemut Kohl. He's big and heavy. >> >>I do agree that Americans are wider than Europeans; we eat ALL the >>time, >>but I've seen big Germans, Swedes and lots of big fellows in the UK. >>"Why, he's twenty stone if he's an oz!" >> >>I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs and there's plenty of room for me in my VW so >>they've clearly figured that they'll be selling to big folks. It's not >>a big car but it is cleverly designed. >> >>I do think they'll have to make the seats wider, though ;-) >> >>-Weaver >> >> >> >>Hakan Falk wrote: >> >> >> >>>Tallex, >>> >>>The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than >>>in US and >>>I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only >>>look at one, try >>>it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and >>>how well it >>>transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems >>>in US, >>>it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems >>>to be the >>>essentials for US commuters. >>> >>>I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too >>>much), but I >>>fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. >>> >>>Hakan >>> >>>At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>< >>http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> > > >---Original Message--- >From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 >Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > >They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for >quite a while. > >Hakan > > >At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > > >>Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the >>US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and >>while really cool, I have a hard time >>imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, >> >>regards >>tallex >> >>Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >> >>< >>http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Get your daily alternative energy news >> >>Alternate Energy Resource Network >> 1000+ news sources-resources >>updated daily >> >>http://www.alternate-energy.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Next Generation Grid >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ >> >> >>Tomorrow-energy >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ >> >> >>Alternative Energy Politics >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >> >> > > (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ >biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > > > > (50,000 messages): >http://ww
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Insert: I googled Smart hybrid and found that they have a concept hybrid (diesel-electric, as Mike pointed out) that achieves 81 mpg (2.9 L/100km). Nice. -John On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: > Hallo Hakan, > > No offense intended, but I've been all over Europe and there are plenty > of big people there. I was (don't ask) at a Mercedes Benz dealers > convention and most of the men were easily over 6 feet and at least 250 > lbs. Look at Hemut Kohl. He's big and heavy. > > I do agree that Americans are wider than Europeans; we eat ALL the > time, > but I've seen big Germans, Swedes and lots of big fellows in the UK. > "Why, he's twenty stone if he's an oz!" > > I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs and there's plenty of room for me in my VW so > they've clearly figured that they'll be selling to big folks. It's not > a big car but it is cleverly designed. > > I do think they'll have to make the seats wider, though ;-) > > -Weaver > > > > Hakan Falk wrote: > >> Tallex, >> >> The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than >> in US and >> I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only >> look at one, try >> it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and >> how well it >> transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems >> in US, >> it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems >> to be the >> essentials for US commuters. >> >> I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too >> much), but I >> fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. >> >> Hakan >> >> At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, >>> it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and >>> still >>> be considered a smart car? >>> Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way >>> you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would >>> look like >>> circus clowns stuffed into the seats. >>> People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as >>> possible. >>> >>> tallex >>> >>> >>> >>> Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>> >>> > > < > http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > >>> >>> >>> ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for quite a while. Hakan At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > while really cool, I have a hard time > imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > regards > tallex > > Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > < > http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > Alternate Energy Resource Network > 1000+ news sources-resources > updated daily > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > Next Generation Grid > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > Tomorrow-energy > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > Alternative Energy Politics > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>> (50,000 messages): >>> >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>> (50,000 messages): >>> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.or
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
I actually saw one of these SMART cars on the road with Massachusetts plates. I recall checking them out about 6-8 weeks ago and seeing that they were available for special order through a dealer in New Hampshire. That being said, the 50bhp "fortwo" model gets 60 mpg (4.7 L/100km) average. You could get comparable fuel economy from a Toyota Prius (55 mpg) and have seating for four. Also, compare the SMART "forfour" with the 75bhp engine -- a direct comparison to the Toyota Prius (with a 74 hp engine) and we find that the Forfour gets about 50 mpg(5.6 L/100km). Now, if Daimler-Chrysler licensed Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive powertrain -- then the SMART's fuel efficiency would be truly remarkable. I'd really like to see that. -John On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: > Hallo Hakan, > > No offense intended, but I've been all over Europe and there are plenty > of big people there. I was (don't ask) at a Mercedes Benz dealers > convention and most of the men were easily over 6 feet and at least 250 > lbs. Look at Hemut Kohl. He's big and heavy. > > I do agree that Americans are wider than Europeans; we eat ALL the > time, > but I've seen big Germans, Swedes and lots of big fellows in the UK. > "Why, he's twenty stone if he's an oz!" > > I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs and there's plenty of room for me in my VW so > they've clearly figured that they'll be selling to big folks. It's not > a big car but it is cleverly designed. > > I do think they'll have to make the seats wider, though ;-) > > -Weaver > > > > Hakan Falk wrote: > >> Tallex, >> >> The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than >> in US and >> I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only >> look at one, try >> it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and >> how well it >> transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems >> in US, >> it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems >> to be the >> essentials for US commuters. >> >> I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too >> much), but I >> fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. >> >> Hakan >> >> At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, >>> it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and >>> still >>> be considered a smart car? >>> Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way >>> you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would >>> look like >>> circus clowns stuffed into the seats. >>> People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as >>> possible. >>> >>> tallex >>> >>> >>> >>> Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>> >>> > > < > http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > >>> >>> >>> ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for quite a while. Hakan At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > while really cool, I have a hard time > imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > regards > tallex > > Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > < > http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > Alternate Energy Resource Network > 1000+ news sources-resources > updated daily > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > Next Generation Grid > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > Tomorrow-energy > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > Alternative Energy Politics > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>> (50,000 messages): >>> >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.or
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Hello All, All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks, Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> ---Original Message---> From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008> Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56> > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for> quite a while.> > Hakan> > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:> > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the> >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and> >while really cool, I have a hard time> >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,> >> >regards> >tallex> >> >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Get your daily alternative energy news> >> >Alternate Energy Resource Network> > 1000+ news sources-resources> > updated daily> >> >http://www.alternate-energy.net> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Next Generation Grid> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/> >> >> >Tomorrow-energy> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/> >> >> >Alternative Energy Politics> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/> >> >> >> >> >___> >Biofuel mailing list> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Hallo Hakan, No offense intended, but I've been all over Europe and there are plenty of big people there. I was (don't ask) at a Mercedes Benz dealers convention and most of the men were easily over 6 feet and at least 250 lbs. Look at Hemut Kohl. He's big and heavy. I do agree that Americans are wider than Europeans; we eat ALL the time, but I've seen big Germans, Swedes and lots of big fellows in the UK. "Why, he's twenty stone if he's an oz!" I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs and there's plenty of room for me in my VW so they've clearly figured that they'll be selling to big folks. It's not a big car but it is cleverly designed. I do think they'll have to make the seats wider, though ;-) -Weaver Hakan Falk wrote: >Tallex, > >The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than in US and >I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only >look at one, try >it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and >how well it >transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems in US, >it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems >to be the >essentials for US commuters. > >I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too much), but I >fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. > >Hakan > >At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > > >>That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, >> it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still >> be considered a smart car? >>Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way >>you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like >>circus clowns stuffed into the seats. >>People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. >> >>tallex >> >> >> >>Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >> >> >>> > >>> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> ---Original Message--- >>> From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 >>> Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 >>> >>> >>> They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for >>> quite a while. >>> >>> Hakan >>> >>> >>> At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the >>> >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and >>> >while really cool, I have a hard time >>> >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, >>> > >>> >regards >>> >tallex >>> > >>> >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>> > >>> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Get your daily alternative energy news >>> > >>> >Alternate Energy Resource Network >>> > 1000+ news sources-resources >>> > updated daily >>> > >>> >http://www.alternate-energy.net >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Next Generation Grid >>> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ >>> > >>> > >>> >Tomorrow-energy >>> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ >>> > >>> > >>> >Alternative Energy Politics >>> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >___ >>> >Biofuel mailing list >>> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> > >>> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> > >>> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>> >>> >>(50,000 messages): >> >> >>> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>> >>> >>(50,000 messages): >> >> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement. I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the front seats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles of it's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it's gas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon! John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetwork Sent: 02 July 2006 08:15 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > ---Original Message--- > From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 > Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for > quite a while. > > Hakan > > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > >while really cool, I have a hard time > >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > > >regards > >tallex > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > 1000+ news sources-resources > > updated daily > > > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next Generation Grid > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > > > >Tomorrow-energy > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Tallex, The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than in US and I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only look at one, try it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and how well it transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems in US, it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems to be the essentials for US commuters. I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too much), but I fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. Hakan At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: >That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, > it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still > be considered a smart car? >Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way >you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like >circus clowns stuffed into the seats. >People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. > >tallex > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 > > Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > > > > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for > > quite a while. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > > >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > > >while really cool, I have a hard time > > >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > > > > >regards > > >tallex > > > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > > 1000+ news sources-resources > > > updated daily > > > > > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next Generation Grid > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > > > > > > >Tomorrow-energy > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > >Biofuel mailing list > > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 messages): > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > ---Original Message--- > From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 > Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 > > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for > quite a while. > > Hakan > > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: > > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the > >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and > >while really cool, I have a hard time > >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, > > > >regards > >tallex > > > >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler > > > >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > 1000+ news sources-resources > > updated daily > > > >http://www.alternate-energy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next Generation Grid > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ > > > > > >Tomorrow-energy > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
