RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Mel Riser 

be sure and have the dealer save the fuel lines so you can post mortem the 
reason.
 
if that years Benz's or that model has extra small lines or pronte to clogging, 
let us know.
 
were you running SVO or bio? b100? is it cold there yet?
 
you may indeed have something caused by low temps as well.
 
mel

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Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an 
effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines 
and they became clogged up.
The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with 
new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary).
The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was 
holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power 
until it came to a slow death on the side of the road.
I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 
Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to 
the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died 
within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and 
the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at 
both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at 
the other end.
Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or 
if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?

Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Patrick Campbell 

Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
that has to be done before registration so my time is
limited.  

I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
stranded on my way to work.

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
 the one right after the 
 in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
 fuel filter (to the left) 
 away from you as you look at it from the right side
 of the car ?
 
 Luc
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  The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
 have a external lift pump 
  near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
 Make sure the return line 
  isn't plugged.
 
  = = = Original message = = =
 
  Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
 BD is such an effective 
  cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
 the tank and lines and 
  they became clogged up.
  The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
 will be fitted with new 
  fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
 replaced (only if 
  necessary).
  The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
 momentum, like it was holding 
  back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
 it slowly lost power 
  until it came to a slow death on the side of the
 road.
  I changed the filters and started it back up and
 it ran OK for about 60 Km 
  or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
 part and went straight 
  to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
 wouldn't get it's RPM up 
  and died within moments indicating that there was
 resistance in the fuel 
  delivery and the engine didn't like it and died.
 All air had been bled out 
  of the system at both the primary and secondary
 filter inlets, so the 
  problem, by default, is at the other end.
  Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter
 in the fuel tank or if 
  it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?
 
  Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.
 
  Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 


- Original Message - 
From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100


be sure and have the dealer save the fuel lines so you can post mortem the 
reason.


Sounds reasonable.

if that years Benz's or that model has extra small lines or pronte to 
clogging, let us know.


Actually it is touted as one of the better models to run BD in.


were you running SVO or bio? b100? is it cold there yet?


I have run B100 in it over the last couple months and logged a few thousands 
Km and it is just now showing up, as expected.



you may indeed have something caused by low temps as well.


Nope ! It sleeps indoors in a heated garage and it hasn't been cold enough 
yet daytime to worry about it. It is at the tank/fuel line end, for sure. I 
should have an exact causation by the end of the week at latest and will 
post accordingly.


Luc


mel

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Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 3:38 PM
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Subject: [Biofuel] Running on B100



Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective 
cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and 
they became clogged up.
The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new 
fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if 
necessary).
The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding 
back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power 
until it came to a slow death on the side of the road.
I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km 
or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight 
to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up 
and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel 
delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out 
of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the 
problem, by default, is at the other end.
Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if 
it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?


Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

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RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Joey Hundert 

Dear Luc,
   The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much.
I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I have
every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've
had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
(Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
   I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank
is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old fuel
filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable
to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with
new fuel lines until the summer?

Thanks everyone,

Joey Hundert
Edmonton, AB

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
that has to be done before registration so my time is
limited.

I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
stranded on my way to work.

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
 the one right after the
 in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
 fuel filter (to the left)
 away from you as you look at it from the right side
 of the car ?

 Luc
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
 have a external lift pump
  near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
 Make sure the return line
  isn't plugged.
 
  = = = Original message = = =
 
  Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
 BD is such an effective
  cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
 the tank and lines and
  they became clogged up.
  The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
 will be fitted with new
  fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
 replaced (only if
  necessary).
  The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
 momentum, like it was holding
  back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
 it slowly lost power
  until it came to a slow death on the side of the
 road.
  I changed the filters and started it back up and
 it ran OK for about 60 Km
  or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
 part and went straight
  to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
 wouldn't get it's RPM up
  and died within moments indicating that there was
 resistance in the fuel
  delivery and the engine didn't like it and died.
 All air had been bled out
  of the system at both the primary and secondary
 filter inlets, so the
  problem, by default, is at the other end.
  Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter
 in the fuel tank or if
  it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?
 
  Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.
 
  Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 


and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I 
don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by 
default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am 
having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what 
the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results.
I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow 
quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is 
all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word**
Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the 
information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to 
expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I 
have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it 
takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the 
impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the 
primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but 
clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank 
out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the 
Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue.


Luc
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100



Dear Luc,
  The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much.
I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I have
every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that 
you've

had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
(Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
  I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank
is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old fuel
filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be 
advisable

to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with
new fuel lines until the summer?

Thanks everyone,

Joey Hundert
Edmonton, AB

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Patrick Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
that has to be done before registration so my time is
limited.

I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
stranded on my way to work.

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
the one right after the
in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
fuel filter (to the left)
away from you as you look at it from the right side
of the car ?

Luc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
have a external lift pump
 near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
Make sure the return line
 isn't plugged.

 = = = Original message = = =

 Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
BD is such an effective
 cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
the tank and lines and
 they became clogged up.
 The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
will be fitted with new
 fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
replaced (only if
 necessary).
 The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
momentum, like it was holding
 back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
it slowly lost power
 until it came to a slow death on the side of the
road.
 I changed the filters and started it back up and
it ran OK for about 60 Km
 or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
part and went straight
 to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
wouldn't get it's RPM up
 and died within moments indicating that there was
resistance in the fuel
 delivery and the engine didn't like it and died.
All air had been bled out
 of the system at both the primary and secondary
filter inlets, so the
 problem, by default, is at the other end.
 Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter
in the fuel tank or if
 it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?

 Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 


the BD would eventually kick in anyway, IMHO. It is just one of those events 
that has to be dealth with. Not unexpected, as the info on JtF has clearly 
pointed out.
It is actually a good thing, 'cause you know that the engine is getting rid 
of all that accumulated residue from all that not-so-good dino fuel. The 
pumps, lines and injectors are getting a good cleansing, which should go a 
long way toward prolonging their life, again IMHO.
My case may be unique in that normally you should simply just have a filter 
change or two to be concerned with, although my car, bought from a fellow 
that had it doing Taxi work for two years (blasphemy!), did not receive the 
attention that it should have and now I am dealing with that. It may or may 
not have anything to do with the fuel lines, as one poster put it, it may be 
air trapped in the injectors, although I am changing the fuel lines anyway, 
and also gioving the tank a good flush. That way at least I will have the 
satisfaction of knowing that that has been eliminated as a potential problem 
factor, and the elimination of factors is something I have been into since 
starting on BD production, not being any sort of expert at much of anything, 
so getting rid of variables is essential :)


Luc
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100



Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
that has to be done before registration so my time is
limited.

I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
stranded on my way to work.

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
the one right after the
in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
fuel filter (to the left)
away from you as you look at it from the right side
of the car ?

Luc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
have a external lift pump
 near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
Make sure the return line
 isn't plugged.

 = = = Original message = = =

 Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
BD is such an effective
 cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
the tank and lines and
 they became clogged up.
 The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
will be fitted with new
 fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
replaced (only if
 necessary).
 The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
momentum, like it was holding
 back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
it slowly lost power
 until it came to a slow death on the side of the
road.
 I changed the filters and started it back up and
it ran OK for about 60 Km
 or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
part and went straight
 to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
wouldn't get it's RPM up
 and died within moments indicating that there was
resistance in the fuel
 delivery and the engine didn't like it and died.
All air had been bled out
 of the system at both the primary and secondary
filter inlets, so the
 problem, by default, is at the other end.
 Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter
in the fuel tank or if
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 Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 


air in the injectors. Why? Prior to leaving for holidays, with B100 in 
thetank, I had the valves adjusted,all filters changed  and other 
peripherals done by the MB mechanics at a VERY reputable dealer and they 
included on the work order that the lines had been successfully bled. I then 
left for holidays with a full tank of B100 and when that wa down to 1/4 tank 
or a bit less I fueled at the dino pump and then spent two weeks running 
around on that and then for the trip back I topped off on dino and when the 
tank was at a bit less than 1/4 again I put in the 44 liters I had brought 
along of B100 (which the engines loved and smoothed out immediately) and 
this was all on the band new filters installed by the Mercedes people. I 
continued running on those filters until this week, about a month's worth, 
and then the problem started, so I figured it was the filter being clogged 
by the residuals that the BD had removed, so I did a filter change myself. 
It was fine for about 150Km or so and then the problem came back.NOT a 
filter problem. By default, it is the lines and/or the tank having loosed 
it's dino deposits and that has clogged the system.
Ergo, should anyone want to run B100 in an older car/truck it might be a 
good idea to do the line/tank fluch thing BEFORE, avoiding the PITA 
(PainInTheAnatomy) that I am going through. A wise man learns from his 
mistakes, a wiser man yet learns from the mistakes of others :)

Stay tuned for more on this developing saga.
Luc
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong 
and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I 
don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by 
default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am 
having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY 
what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results.
I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no 
snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and 
it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word**
Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the 
information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to 
expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I 
have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter 
it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under 
the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the 
primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing 
but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the 
tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in 
the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue.


Luc
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From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100



Dear Luc,
  The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very 
much.

I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I 
have
every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that 
you've

had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
(Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
  I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank
is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old 
fuel
filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be 
advisable
to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank 
with

new fuel lines until the summer?

Thanks everyone,

Joey Hundert
Edmonton, AB

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Patrick Campbell
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
that has to be done before registration so my time is
limited.

I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
stranded on my way to work.

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
the one right after the
in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
fuel filter (to the left)
away from you as you look at it from the right side
of the car ?

Luc
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Steve Spence 

The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either
escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.

Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
- Original Message - 
From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong
 and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I
 don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by
 default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am
 having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY
what
 the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results.
 I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no
snow
 quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is
 all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word**
 Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the
 information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to
 expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I
 have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter
it
 takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the
 impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the
 primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing
but
 clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank
 out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the
 Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue.

 Luc
 - Original Message - 
 From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  Dear Luc,
The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very
much.
  I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
  about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I
have
  every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that
  you've
  had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
  (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second
tank
  is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old
fuel
  filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be
  advisable
  to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank
with
  new fuel lines until the summer?
 
  Thanks everyone,
 
  Joey Hundert
  Edmonton, AB
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Patrick Campbell
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
  Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
  problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
  etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
  I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
  that has to be done before registration so my time is
  limited.
 
  I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
  straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
  lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
  stranded on my way to work.
 
  --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
  the one right after the
  in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
  fuel filter (to the left)
  away from you as you look at it from the right side
  of the car ?
 
  Luc
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
   The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
  have a external lift pump
   near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
  Make sure the return line
   isn't plugged.
  
   = = = Original message = = =
  
   Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
  BD is such an effective
   cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
  the tank and lines and
   they became clogged up.
   The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
  will be fitted with new
   fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
  replaced (only if
   necessary).
   The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
  momentum, like it was holding
   back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
  it slowly lost power
   until it came to a slow death on the side of the
  road.
   I changed the filters and started it back up and
  it ran OK for about 60 Km
   or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
  part and went straight
   to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
  wouldn't get it's RPM up
   and died within moments indicating that there was
  resistance in the fuel
   delivery and the engine didn't like

Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Greg Harbican 

What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get
through ( or very little of it )?

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will
either
 escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.

 Steve Spence
 http://www.green-trust.org


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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 


them and I explained what is what and what I wanted, so now they are having 
a technician (German for mechanic, ha!) look into it.
I am not very mechanically inclined so I pay as I go, although as things 
progress I am slowly coming around to the small stuff and hopefully will 
acquire a bit more savy and abilities the more I listen to you guys :)
Only the stubborn and overly proud can't learn from others. Hopefully I 
shall be neither.


Luc
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will 
either

escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.

Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
- Original Message - 
From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all 
wrong

and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I
don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by
default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I 
am

having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY

what

the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results.
I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no

snow

quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is
all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word**
Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the
information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to
expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I
have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter

it
takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under 
the

impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the
primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing

but

clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank
out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the
Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue.

Luc
- Original Message - 
From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Dear Luc,
   The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very

much.

 I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
 about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I

have

 every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that
 you've
 had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
 (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
   I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second

tank

 is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old

fuel

 filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be
 advisable
 to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank

with

 new fuel lines until the summer?

 Thanks everyone,

 Joey Hundert
 Edmonton, AB

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Patrick Campbell
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
 problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
 etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
 I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
 that has to be done before registration so my time is
 limited.

 I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
 straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
 lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
 stranded on my way to work.

 --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
 the one right after the
 in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
 fuel filter (to the left)
 away from you as you look at it from the right side
 of the car ?

 Luc
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
 have a external lift pump
  near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
 Make sure the return line
  isn't plugged.
 
  = = = Original message = = =
 
  Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
 BD is such an effective
  cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
 the tank and lines and
  they became clogged up.
  The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
 will be fitted with new
  fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
 replaced (only if
  necessary).
  The symptoms: the car

Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Legal Eagle 



Luc
- Original Message - 
From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100



What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get
through ( or very little of it )?

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100



The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will

either

escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.

Steve Spence
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread lendzian_michael 

Luc,

The problem [to me] sounds like your hand-primer pump went bad.  Should be a 
simple/cheap repair if this is the case.

-Michael



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Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

 It would most likely choke, which is what it is doing :(
 
 Luc
 - Original Message - 
 From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
  What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could 
 not get
  through ( or very little of it )?
  
  Greg H.
  
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  From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
  
  
  The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. 
 air will
  either
  escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.
 
  Steve Spence
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Steve Spence 

stumbling, air blockage, rough running, and stalling.

Steve Spence
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get
 through ( or very little of it )?
 
 Greg H.
 
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 From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
  The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will
 either
  escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-12 Thread Steve Spence 

It's the one coming out of the banjo bolt on top of the filter that heads
back to the fuel tank.

There are two others on top also, coming from the injectors.

Steve Spence
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after
the
 in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the
left)
 away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ?

 Luc
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift
pump
  near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return
line
  isn't plugged.
 
  = = = Original message = = =
 
  Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an
effective
  cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and
  they became clogged up.
  The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with
new
  fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if
  necessary).
  The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was
holding
  back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power
  until it came to a slow death on the side of the road.
  I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60
Km
  or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went
straight
  to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM
up
  and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel
  delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled
out
  of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the
  problem, by default, is at the other end.
  Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if
  it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?
 
  Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.
 
  Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-11 Thread sspence 

The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near 
the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't 
plugged.

= = = Original message = = =

Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective 
cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they 
became clogged up.
The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel 
lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary).
The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back 
and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it 
came to a slow death on the side of the road.
I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or 
so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the 
slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died 
within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and 
the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at 
both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at 
the other end.
Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has 
an electric motor pumping the fuel?

Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

2004-10-11 Thread Legal Eagle 


in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) 
away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ?


Luc
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump 
near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line 
isn't plugged.


= = = Original message = = =

Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective 
cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and 
they became clogged up.
The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new 
fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if 
necessary).
The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding 
back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power 
until it came to a slow death on the side of the road.
I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km 
or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight 
to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up 
and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel 
delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out 
of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the 
problem, by default, is at the other end.
Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if 
it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?


Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.

Luc
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