Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
In a message dated 9/10/2004 5:11:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD That depends if the views are gleaned from the citizens that frequent the corner noodle kiosk or from military officials. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Hello Luc, Hakan et al, - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. All established religions teach the virtues of universal love, compassion, consideration for the frail, the aged and the needy. Many of them enjoin acts of charity, self abnegation and service to society as pious duty. It is only later that the teachings get distorted by twisted mean souls that hanker after the material and pine for what is not. A Christian cloak does little to hide the growing rot of greed, deceit, and unbridled arrogance of power that lies festering at the heart of the Iraq campaign. snip Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. Considering how he got elected, he cannot even claim to represent even a fraction of the electorate. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
- Original Message - From: balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Hello Luc, Hakan et al, - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. All established religions teach the virtues of universal love, compassion, consideration for the frail, the aged and the needy. Many of them enjoin acts of charity, self abnegation and service to society as pious duty. It is only later that the teachings get distorted by twisted mean souls that hanker after the material and pine for what is not. A Christian cloak does little to hide the growing rot of greed, deceit, and unbridled arrogance of power that lies festering at the heart of the Iraq campaign. Of which there can be do doubt.If it looks like a duck, ect it IS a duck even if it is disguised as something else. Luc snip Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. Considering how he got elected, he cannot even claim to represent even a fraction of the electorate. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Perhaps some phylosophical statements do have contradictory appendages, however this statement was made by Jesus Christ and disagreement will have to be taken up with Him :) Luc - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Legal Eagle wrote: Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them; actions are louder than words, and even INaction is in itself an action, howbeit one that allows it's author more anonymity. Luc Hi, not trying to contradict, or to develop discussion, just one point about adage: it seams that each old adage/proverb has an allways an opposite proverb/adage; and so sometimes people try to substantiate their points by conveniently choosing one of them, and forgetting about the other. This is sooo convenient :)) in particular: actions are louder than words has an opposing: Actions speak louder than words. But words survive when actions are dust. -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Legal Eagle wrote: Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them; actions are louder than words, and even INaction is in itself an action, howbeit one that allows it's author more anonymity. Luc Hi, not trying to contradict, or to develop discussion, just one point about adage: it seams that each old adage/proverb has an allways an opposite proverb/adage; and so sometimes people try to substantiate their points by conveniently choosing one of them, and forgetting about the other. This is sooo convenient :)) in particular: actions are louder than words has an opposing: Actions speak louder than words. But words survive when actions are dust. -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Published on Monday, September 27, 2004 by the San Francisco Chronicle Europe to Bush: Go Away Even British Prefer Kerry for President by Vivienne Walt PARIS -- Why Bush must be beaten, screamed the headline of Le Nouvel Observateur, a left-leaning French newsweekly. Smaller type above the U.S. president's half profile provided the answer: His re-election will be a catastrophe for the world and for America. That sentiment may have been expressed more bluntly than the opinions of many Europeans, yet it captured the passions on this continent over who will occupy the White House come January. Poised halfway between the political wrangling in Washington over the war in Iraq and the suicide bombs and kidnappings in Baghdad, Europeans have rarely felt so involved in a U.S. presidential race. Many Europeans, analysts and regular citizens alike, argue that their own security is increasingly at risk, while violence spirals in Iraq and anti- Western hostility hardens in Europe's backyard -- the Arab world. Some on the continent have suggested, only half-jokingly, that with one superpower remaining in a globalized world, Europeans ought to have a say in who should be America's next president. Americans will choose their president, and the rest of the world will have to live with that decision, said Bernhard May, a senior analyst at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. All we can do is talk to people. Perhaps mirroring sentiments on the other side the Atlantic, Europeans who dislike Bush are not necessarily strong supporters of John Kerry. Europe is get-rid-of-Bush country, which is not quite the same as Kerry country, said Guillaume Parmentier, head of the Center on the United States at the French Institute for International Relations in Paris. He said the continent's hostility toward Bush began long before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, dating back to Bush's decision in 2001 to reverse President Bill Clinton's support for the Kyoto Protocol on global warming -- a cherished cause for many European politicians. Iraq just made it worse, Parmentier added. Yet European's good-guy, bad-guy approach to the presidential race is simplistic, say some analysts. In substance, there is no such black-and-white picture, said May, a specialist on German-American relations. May points out that Kerry has already made clear his belief that Europe should participate more in Iraq's reconstruction. The Democratic candidate has called for sending European troops to help with January's elections in Iraq. The county's first democratic elections will probably require thousands of peacekeeping troops to secure election monitors and polling sites amid escalating violence. Europeans might find it hard to provide such help, because tens of thousands of their soldiers are already deployed in Afghanistan and the Balkans. Yet it would be harder for the continent's leaders to refuse the man they greatly prefer for president over Bush, says May. If Kerry is elected, he'll present us with this challenge perhaps in his very first week in office, May said. Bush won't put the same kind of pressures on Europeans to help out. He's been rebuffed before. A survey published this month by the Program on International Policy Attitudes in Washington, which conducts polls on global issues, found that Europeans overwhelmingly opposed Bush's re-election. Kerry was the favored candidate even in Britain, the Bush administration's closest ally. There, 47 percent of those interviewed said they would choose Kerry, compared with 16 percent for Bush. Not surprisingly, anti-Bush feelings were strongest in countries whose governments have based their foreign policies on refusing to join the U.S.- dominated coalition in Iraq. In Germany, 74 percent said they would back Kerry, compared with 10 percent for Bush, while in France only 5 percent said they would vote for Bush, and 63 percent said they supported Kerry. Both French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder rejected Bush's requests to support military action in Iraq last year and have staked their leadership in Europe on that stance. In Spain, Kerry's lead over Bush was only slightly narrower: 47 to 7 percent. Spain's Prime Minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, won election last March almost entirely on the promise to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq. Zapatero's predecessor, Jose Maria Aznar, was a frequent White House visitor and had a growing personal relationship with Bush at the time he was ousted. Europe's complex feelings about U.S. politics are hardly new. The two continents have for centuries looked to each other for cultural inspiration as near-mirrors of each other through the years. But this year's campaign has brought a new tension over Americans' political choices. There's this usual tradition of a love-hate relationship, said Jean- Gabriel Fredet, one of two
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
One of my bumper sticker ideas: Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. At the rate I'm going, my Beetle (TDI) will soon be covered completely with stickers. To think, only a week ago, I had never had any bumper stickers on any car I owned. Just goes to show what living in a country heading down the wrong path can do to a guy. Brian Other stickers: Osama still has HIS job, DO YOU? Bush/bin Laden 2004 Keep al Qaeda strong, Re-elect Bush WWJD? Vote Kerry/Edwards With it being so easy to turn every Bush argument back against him, I don't see why the Democratic Party isn't doing it. Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. Actually, the only form of government that sees capitalism and government meld is fascism; couple that with misrepresented and obliquely interpreted religious belief and you have the mess the US is in right now. It is neither Christian nor democratic as their actions have more than clearly proven. When actually faced with the democratic process in a general vote at the UN prior to the invasion of sovereign Iraq, when it became clear that the democratic vote process would not favour the warmongers they left off all semblance of their hypocrisy and invaded anyway, throwing off the democratic process proving once and for all that democracy only interests them in word only and that only when it serves their selfish purpose. A complete re-think of the hubris that engulfs this situation is not only needed but necessary if we are not to see perpetual war foisted upon the innnocent in a never ending lust for control of world oil reserves. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. Actually, the only form of government that sees capitalism and government meld is fascism; couple that with misrepresented and obliquely interpreted religious belief and you have the mess the US is in right now. It is neither Christian nor democratic as their actions have more than clearly proven. When actually faced with the democratic process in a general vote at the UN prior to the invasion of sovereign Iraq, when it became clear that the democratic vote process would not favour the warmongers they left off all semblance of their hypocrisy and invaded anyway, throwing off the democratic process proving once and for all that democracy only interests them in word only and that only when it serves their selfish purpose. A complete re-think of the hubris that engulfs this situation is not only needed but necessary if we are not to see perpetual war foisted upon the innnocent in a never ending lust for control of world oil reserves. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
I believe you are right in many ways. It is kind of scary. You know history repeats itself, and humans are destined to repeat their mistakes until they learn from them. Much of America is so busy defending our every action and reaction, that we do not learn from our mistakes, or change our ways of dealing with important issues. We are destined to keep repeating mistakes made in history, as long as we remain so stubborn and proud. We have to be willing to say Hey, we did not handle this right, how can we do this better or Hey, this was not right when so and so did it, so why do we think we have the right to act this way? Yet as a nation we are too proud. This blind patriotism is thought from day one in kindergarten, the only way to combat this type thinking is to change the way we are teaching our children to think. If our teachers could tell their students it is more important to be honest, accountable, fair, rather than patriotic, then perhaps in twenty years we could see a difference in America, American Politics, and eventually in world events. But far too many people are Proud to be and American. I am proud to be and American, but I am more proud to be a world citizen, a human, and a child of God. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc. whatever faith you follow, we all eventually pray to the same God. These are far more important than being an American. -- JRD Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. --ME --- Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Actually is is and always has been a republic, not a democracy. = = = Original message = = = 1. Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. 2. The U.S. is no longer a democracy but a plutocracy; of the people, by the people and for the people is now subservient to corporate America. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right on, wayne james - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards
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Actually, what I meant was that the USA is practicing a system called Liberal Democracy, which has as one of its defining tenets, the protection of minority rights against the rights of the majority. This is really something quite unique in the history of human political thought, especially here in Asia where minorities often have no rights whatsoever. How sad that in its foreign policy, this defining tenet have often not been followed by the US. In so far as the average American is concerned, I supposed it is perfectly understandable in this time of uncertainty and threats for the majority to want a leader like Bush. If one look at societies in crisis throughout history, the leaders that emerge are often of a similar mould, (though most are better in their public speaking). Regards HS --- Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kinda depends on how you define true liberal HS. There would be no USA if it's founders where the conservatives of their age instead, of the liberals of their age. The true liberal is NOT the far left winger, the radical right would have us believe. The radical right has successfully bastardized the meaning of liberal in the context of politics, so it can no longer be used in it's honorable context. Doug - Original Message - From: HS Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll : My opinion is that most would like to see a true : Liberal Democratic President who will protect their : rights as minorities in the world arena. : : --- wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : = Regards, HS Wong Visit my farm: www.dqcleanchicken.com Find out about the most important chicken: www.junglefowl.org You can contribute to sustainability: www.sustainablelivingcentre.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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1. Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. 2. The U.S. is no longer a democracy but a plutocracy; of the people, by the people and for the people is now subservient to corporate America. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right on, wayne james - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who
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John, I strongly disagree with your characterization of the US as a hegemon. You need to reconsider what the parameters of enforcement are. In a day of global economies there is precious little need for traditional militaristic enforcement..., save for those ventures of national interests/security such as oil. This country sucks up resources faster than a 9 year old does a thin strawberry shake. Ever wonder what would happen if access to some of those economic drivers came to a screeching halt or an overnight decline? Can you spell depression? Can you spell windfall to banking interests? Ever seen a junkie coming down with no near-future fix in sight? It ain't pretty. Do you really believe that US policy across the board isn't C.I.A. (Cover It's Ass)? Do you really believe that arm twisting isn't the rule of the day.., every day? Every US policy and effort that you can imagine is heavily leveraged with force of some sort. Perhaps a carrot if cooperation is extended. But always the threat and all too real use of the stick if not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Michael Emery wrote: Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. I strongly disagree with your characterization of the US as a hegemon. In the words of Tom Barnett: Empire involves the enforcement of both minimal and maximal rule sets, or not only what you cannot do but what you must do. America has never been about the enforcement of maximal rule sets, either at home or abroad. The use of that term, empire, is simply bad history -- simplicity masquerading as sophistication Clearly, Barnett's pro-globalization stance will be highly uncomfortable to many readers on this list but I find his take on post-cold war global security quite insightful. According to a newsletter for Pennsylvania Democrats: Barnetts book is a crucial read for any citizen, any voter, interested in making that vote count by supporting intelligent alternatives to global hegemony. It lifts the reader beyond the obvious and proposes intelligent alternatives to how we go forward managing globalization within the context of those in power today and those that will assume power tomorrow. To find out Barnett is talking about, I'd recommend either: a) watching his recent 3 hr talk on CSPAN - rtsp://video.c-span.org/60days/ap090404.rm b) buy the book - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0399151753/thompmbarn-20?creative=125581camp=2321link_code=as1 or c) read a highly condensed version he did as an interview back in May - http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0504/0504barnettinterview.htm jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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- Original Message - From: Michael Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. --ME --- Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. I strongly disagree with your characterization of the US as a hegemon. In the words of Tom Barnett: Empire involves the enforcement of both minimal and maximal rule sets, or not only what you cannot do but what you must do. America has never been about the enforcement of maximal rule sets, either at home or abroad. The use of that term, empire, is simply bad history -- simplicity masquerading as sophistication Clearly, Barnett's pro-globalization stance will be highly uncomfortable to many readers on this list but I find his take on post-cold war global security quite insightful. According to a newsletter for Pennsylvania Democrats: Barnetts book is a crucial read for any citizen, any voter, interested in making that vote count by supporting intelligent alternatives to global hegemony. It lifts the reader beyond the obvious and proposes intelligent alternatives to how we go forward managing globalization within the context of those in power today and those that will assume power tomorrow. To find out Barnett is talking about, I'd recommend either: a) watching his recent 3 hr talk on CSPAN - rtsp://video.c-span.org/60days/ap090404.rm b) buy the book - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0399151753/thompmbarn-20?creative=125581camp=2321link_code=as1 or c) read a highly condensed version he did as an interview back in May - http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0504/0504barnettinterview.htm jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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I would contribute a donation for that. What was the outcome on the Genset ? What method did you use or try ? Carl From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:50:37 -0400 They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most
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no, who care about that or another party.it is matter of USA ! World is simple against Bush due to his arrogance and nonrespecting any International Institut including United Nation!!! US is power No. 1, so Bush can do what he wish.and that is a big mistake Nobody can be alone today against whole world! But he will left this position, now or 4 years later...world is going onhe will stay in memory as most stupid american presidentand many thousands people around the world will die do to him, including american soldier too..that is all... HS Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My opinion is that most would like to see a true Liberal Democratic President who will protect their rights as minorities in the world arena. --- wayne wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne = Regards, HS Wong Visit my farm: www.dqcleanchicken.com Find out about the most important chicken: www.junglefowl.org You can contribute to sustainability: www.sustainablelivingcentre.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Kinda depends on how you define true liberal HS. There would be no USA if it's founders where the conservatives of their age instead, of the liberals of their age. The true liberal is NOT the far left winger, the radical right would have us believe. The radical right has successfully bastardized the meaning of liberal in the context of politics, so it can no longer be used in it's honorable context. Doug - Original Message - From: HS Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll : My opinion is that most would like to see a true : Liberal Democratic President who will protect their : rights as minorities in the world arena. : : --- wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Since most of the world is more socialist than : democratic and does not like the US way of life in : the : first place, of course they would want the candidate : that would be most destructive to the US. : : Just my opinion! : Wayne : : : : = : Regards, : : HS Wong : Visit my farm: www.dqcleanchicken.com : Find out about the most important chicken: www.junglefowl.org : You can contribute to sustainability: www.sustainablelivingcentre.com : : : : : : ___ : Do you Yahoo!? : Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! : http://vote.yahoo.com : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/06/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global
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-- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Mine too... Kind of a dead horse, eh? People should be able to judge for themselves when it's going nowhere and turns into noise rather than signal, after which point other members can rightly feel annoyed. More than 30 messages in this thread now, let it die a natural death. If anyone would like to argue about democracy and socialism, as such, it's happened before, it's in the archives, if you can think of anything new that's worth adding, go right ahead. Otherwise it'll just go round and round in circles and achieve not much. Just my opinion of course! LOL! This was a much more interesting thread, IMHO, and still relevant: Re: [biofuel] OPEC Tightens Screw on Oil Supply Restrictions http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33249/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/33319/ You can get the whole thread if you click on Click here for more on this subject. Hm... I think those two pieces by and about Gabriel Kolko are worth posting in full. Best Keith -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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james - Original Message - From: Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. --ME --- Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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james - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global Support for US ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
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My opinion is that most would like to see a true Liberal Democratic President who will protect their rights as minorities in the world arena. --- wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne = Regards, HS Wong Visit my farm: www.dqcleanchicken.com Find out about the most important chicken: www.junglefowl.org You can contribute to sustainability: www.sustainablelivingcentre.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Get real! As a representative from the 'rest of the world' I cannot let this rest. I do not want a candidate who is likely to be 'destructive to the US', but I WOULD like a candidate who treated the rest of the world with compassion, and understanding, and not as a feeding ground to help the US achieve dominance in the world at the expense of others less fortunate. I think the US must realise that the harvesting of world resources cannot continue at the current rate, and there must be some balancing of the economic imbalance, which I think is the prime reason for the Terrorist attacks. (The French realise that Hunger can be a prime reason driving revolution, and this is one reason why bread prices were controlled in France for a long time (possibly still) to stop the Peasants revolting!) My views are not Socialist, but more realist. The reality is there is only a certain amount of time that the US borders can be like the fenced Condominiums, keeping out the riff-raff. Eventually the rest of the world will revolt, send the US economy into a tail-spin, and wait to pick up the pieces later. (As a US citizen, having a foreign power with totally different focus on life control 8% or so of your economy is worrying - the Saudis already have this power. It is only a matter of time until some of these groups (who would control a large chunk of the US economy) act together to reign in the economic extravagance of the US.) Atomic weapons may make others cower, but economic reality will win in the end! regards Doug (A Humanist, who thinks all in the world should have a reasonable chance of leading good, fruitful lives, not as slaves to Multinational companies, etc.) On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:01 am, wayne wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of Americaâs traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. ãOnly one in five want to see Bush reelected,ä said Steven Kull, the universityâs program on international policy attitudes. ãThough he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president.ä The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of Americaâs traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bushâs seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bushâs closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bushâs 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bushâs foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel ãworseä about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel ãbetter.ä ãPerhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq,ä said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerryâs 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bushâs 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent
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Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America’s traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. “Only one in five want to see Bush reelected,” said Steven Kull, the university’s program on international policy attitudes. “Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president.” The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America’s traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush’s seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush’s closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush’s 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush’s foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel “worse” about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel “better.” “Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq,” said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry’s 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush’s 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush’s 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global Support for US ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y!
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Actually, Canada is still the largest trade partner of the U.S. However, China is gaining fast, and is poised to take over the number one position within 2 years. Thanks for the clarification. I'd been under that impression for the last couple of years :p In my conversations, I gather that most outside the U.S. see Kerry and Bush as more alike than different (white, male, American, rich from U.S. corporate interests, almost identical social, cultural and family backgrounds, etc.) I don't think people here in Latin America focus so much on background. It's taken as bit of a given that to be the American President it helps to embody those particular attributes What people here comment on is the grace and bearing of the candidates, the look in their eyes. andres yver ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:45:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I speaking with A. De Groot? If you want to make enemies like George Bush, well, so far you're doing a pretty good job. We don't favor Texas crude around here. Ernie Rogers So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Tyrone, Me thinks you never took a psych course, much less reverse psych. Those who oppose the US presence on Arab soils, along with a few other US insults, prefer Bush because he's foolish, near-sighted and lacking in ability to see beyond the dogmas of his choice regligion and his queer interpretation of democracy, all of which weakens America without any need for their throwing the first rock. Oddly enough, Mr. Bush's arrogance under the guise of presidential authority also entices new recruits rich in seething anger. Bush is nothing more than a double edged sword pressed against the American throat. Kerry? A little more aware of bigger pictures and options to navigate through, to or away from them, with enough of a hint of American swagger as to be formidable if provoked. Now if you were an insurgent hell bent on seeing America anhilated, who would be your first preference? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tyrone Slothrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Actually, I'd like to see a lot more on bio-fuel and a lot less of this kind of stuff. That said, it's worth answering Allan's reply. I would suggest he go straight to the source and consider what our enemies, Al Qaeda, think about George Bush. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1068257.htm The statement said it supported US President George W Bush in his re-election campaign and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader more foolish than you [Bush], who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. In comments addressed to Mr Bush, the group said Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation. Because of this we desire you [Bush] to be elected. Seems pretty clear to me what our enemies want, Allan. Also seems pretty clear what our (former) friends want. But what do I know, I just live in Manhattan. It's not like any of this affects me, unlike you I'm sure... Racketmensch It was as if Bin Laden, hidden in some mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting: 'Invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.' - Richard Clark - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan De Groot Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most
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Re Bush/ Kerry How are Bush and kerry on biofuels surely that's the question guys The fossil fuel loby is very strong here. Getting an even transition from fossil to renewable is what we should be looking for, Australia has not got it quite right yet. where do i find the diy description of vegetable oil to diesel process please cheers John Kerry Pledges to Help Struggling Rural Communities Achieve Economic Sustainability 8/16/2004 Of the nation's 500 poorest counties, 459 are rural. Kerry and Edwards have developed a detailed plan for turning this situation around. Just a few areas of the plan include: Encouraging Investment In Rural America through The Greater Rural Opportunity and Work (GROW) Initiative to bring venture capital and management expertise to small town America; Investing more in renewable energy sources such as biodiesel and ethanol; insuring ranchers and farmers receive a profit from the marketplace... Edwards Unveils Kerry-Edwards Economic Plan for Rural America; Announces Greater Rural Opportunity and Work (GROW) Initiative http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34769 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Its rather funny: Our Australian leader is nicknamed 'shrub' by some. (think about it. regards Doug On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 04:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all at biofuels group Recent telepoll in Ireland says: Kerry 74% Bush 26% What if Bush had spent the 1.5 Trillion dollars expected cost of Iraq war on renewable energy? Free Bush, Free the US, Damian Dolan _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Where in Oz R U ?? regards Doug (PS: look for some Edwards Stainless Solar HW tanks: they make the best systems they are thrown out, as they fatigue around the inlet/outlet ports which is repairable for our use.) On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:28 pm, John wrote: Hi I am new to this site, i live in regional Australai and there are plenty of oportunities to purchase/ make gear and obtain vegetable oil products. Re Bush/ Kerry How are Bush and kerry on biofuels surely that's the question guys The fossil fuel loby is very strong here. Getting an even transition from fossil to renewable is what we should be looking for, Australia has not got it quite right yet. where do i find the diy description of vegetable oil to diesel process please cheers John - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent
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How (although, as an Australian, I regret to inform you that we are now the XX state, after Canada Mexico, due to the signing of the Free Trade agreement. I think this will lead to the Australian Public getting screwed!) regards Doug On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:51 pm, John Gardner wrote: Become an American citizen... and denounce your current citizenship jcg -Original Message- From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry
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I like to contemplate how the US may have approached 9/11 sans Bush I think the world may have been a much healthier place. regards Doug On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:34 am, Appal Energy wrote: Tyrone, Me thinks you never took a psych course, much less reverse psych. Those who oppose the US presence on Arab soils, along with a few other US insults, prefer Bush because he's foolish, near-sighted and lacking in ability to see beyond the dogmas of his choice regligion and his queer interpretation of democracy, all of which weakens America without any need for their throwing the first rock. Oddly enough, Mr. Bush's arrogance under the guise of presidential authority also entices new recruits rich in seething anger. Bush is nothing more than a double edged sword pressed against the American throat. Kerry? A little more aware of bigger pictures and options to navigate through, to or away from them, with enough of a hint of American swagger as to be formidable if provoked. Now if you were an insurgent hell bent on seeing America anhilated, who would be your first preference? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tyrone Slothrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Actually, I'd like to see a lot more on bio-fuel and a lot less of this kind of stuff. That said, it's worth answering Allan's reply. I would suggest he go straight to the source and consider what our enemies, Al Qaeda, think about George Bush. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1068257.htm The statement said it supported US President George W Bush in his re-election campaign and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader more foolish than you [Bush], who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. In comments addressed to Mr Bush, the group said Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation. Because of this we desire you [Bush] to be elected. Seems pretty clear to me what our enemies want, Allan. Also seems pretty clear what our (former) friends want. But what do I know, I just live in Manhattan. It's not like any of this affects me, unlike you I'm sure... Racketmensch It was as if Bin Laden, hidden in some mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting: 'Invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.' - Richard Clark - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan De Groot Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony
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Hi I am new to this site, i live in regional Australai and there are plenty of oportunities to purchase/ make gear and obtain vegetable oil products. Re Bush/ Kerry How are Bush and kerry on biofuels surely that's the question guys The fossil fuel loby is very strong here. Getting an even transition from fossil to renewable is what we should be looking for, Australia has not got it quite right yet. where do i find the diy description of vegetable oil to diesel process please You find references to it all over the place, including at the end of the message you sent, and this one, and I believe in the Welcome messages you received, and at the top of the list's home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel Mailing List Info Page Which says this: The Biofuel mailing list is for anyone who is making their own fuel or has an interest in biofuels - all aspects of biofuels use are covered. There are resources, FAQs, how-to's, full recipes and an online Biofuels Library at the Journey to Forever website, the premier source of small-scale biofuels information: Biofuels http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Biodiesel - Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Straight vegetable oil (SVO) http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Biofuels Library http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Ethanol http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html All messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech - fast, one-time searching and NO ads: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishes Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ What more can we do? Best wishes Keith cheers John - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Also why? It all comes with a lot of froth about democracy and rights and so on, which the rest of the world sees as anything but mutual. It says in the list rules: Like any community, your rights end where those of others begin. But not in the world community it seems, or at least not when you're pretending to be the toughest kid in the schoolyard (mostly they grow out of that by the time they're 12 or so). (although, as an Australian, I regret to inform you that we are now the XX state, after Canada Mexico, due to the signing of the Free Trade agreement. I think this will lead to the Australian Public getting screwed!) Everyone else has been so far. And about 99% of the media jerk their knees obediently, automatically assuming Free trade must be good and the same as *fair* trade - NOT! regards Doug On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:51 pm, John Gardner wrote: Become an American citizen... and denounce your current citizenship Sorry, John, not being picky, but I'd really like to know if you mean denounce or meant to type renounce. Best wishes Keith jcg -Original Message- From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Andres Yver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. As a whole, i think the world prefers civil dialogue, which helps us find common ground in an uncertain world, rather than extremism, which can promote fear and loathing of any who believe differently. I think the very establishment of the League of Nations, then the United Nations bears this out. It is unfortunate that they have not been more effective. Not ineffective, in many areas (WHO, UNICEF, early peacekeeping missions, etc). Yet, civil dialogue only works when both (all) parties are prepared to be civil and engage in the dialogue. The places in the world where lots of men, women, and children are dying from bullets and bombs are the places where ideology is taken literally and to extremes. China is the United State's biggest trade partner. The economies of these two nations are mutually dependent. It's in everyone's best interest that all the cash generated by this good business is not spent on weapons of mass destruction. Actually, Canada is still the largest trade partner of the U.S. However, China is gaining fast, and is poised to take over the number one position within 2 years. If China sees America as scary people, it could do any number of things, including restricting trade. China has historically shown the capacity to absorb extreme economic shock without losing internal cohesion. The Great Depression of the nineteen-thirties was a walk in the park compared to what China has seen in the 50's and 60's. I don't think America would adjust so easily to empty shelves at Mall Wart, although you know it would be good for us. American made means paying jobs in our hometowns. I don't know if Kerry's handlers are all that different from the current President's, but in the eyes of the world the men stand worlds apart. In my conversations, I gather that most outside the U.S. see Kerry and Bush as more alike than different (white, male, American, rich from U.S. corporate interests, almost identical social, cultural and family backgrounds, etc.) I find it is the American media that finds the remaining differences and focuses on those. One correspondent wrote, they'd rather have a president with allegiances to ketchup than oil. That pretty much sums it up for me. Maybe we can make ethanol from the increased production of tomato stalks as the U.S. changes foreign policy directions and takes control of the world's condiment markets. I'd prefer Kerry to Bush as U.S. president, but its a small distinction. Looking over Clinton's record, excluding the last 3 months where he did a bunch of lame- duck stuff, it doesn't seem to matter which party controls the White House or Congress - the U.S. is ruled by the Fortune 500. andres yver -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hi I am new to this site, i live in regional Australai and there are plenty of oportunities to purchase/ make gear and obtain vegetable oil products. Re Bush/ Kerry How are Bush and kerry on biofuels surely that's the question guys The fossil fuel loby is very strong here. Getting an even transition from fossil to renewable is what we should be looking for, Australia has not got it quite right yet. where do i find the diy description of vegetable oil to diesel process please cheers John - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30
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Become an American citizen... and denounce your current citizenship jcg -Original Message- From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm
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Actually, I'd like to see a lot more on bio-fuel and a lot less of this kind of stuff. That said, it's worth answering Allan's reply. I would suggest he go straight to the source and consider what our enemies, Al Qaeda, think about George Bush. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1068257.htm The statement said it supported US President George W Bush in his re-election campaign and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader more foolish than you [Bush], who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. In comments addressed to Mr Bush, the group said Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation. Because of this we desire you [Bush] to be elected. Seems pretty clear to me what our enemies want, Allan. Also seems pretty clear what our (former) friends want. But what do I know, I just live in Manhattan. It's not like any of this affects me, unlike you I'm sure... Racketmensch It was as if Bin Laden, hidden in some mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting: 'Invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.' - Richard Clark - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan De Groot Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
- Original Message - From: Andres Yver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement http://slate.msn.com/id/2106484/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
oh please - that just doesn't make any sense... so what if they prefer one or the other? i think it makes very good sense for the rest of the world to want a president who is (hopefully) less bent on walking on anyone who's in the way when headed towards their goals. it saddens me how much bush has hurt our international relations. as far as beijing making our decisions for us - having a knee jerk reaction saying that if they're for it then we should be against it is also allowing them to make the decision! it wasn't clear, but the implication is made in the article that the people polled are normal everyday people, not just the governments. and most people, no matter what nationality want just the chance to live their life in peace and cooperate with their fellow people. i don't believe that the common people there hold any animosity for us as people. governments are a different story. sorry if this rambled some. it's late and i'm tired, but i couldn't just let this one go by. as full disclosure, in case it wasn't obvious - i'm an american and very much anti bush. not sure that kerry will be a great president, but i have high hopes that he will be quite a bit better than bush. at any rate there's a huge amount of room for improvement, in my opinion. erik --- Allan De Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Sorry, but as a world citizen, I have to disagree with you. I find these ultra conservative leaders a real worry. I do not like the bullying attitude of the current world leadership, and as the world's greatest superpower, America rates right up there. As a world citizen, I think if America is the greatest superpower, everyone should get to vote for the president, because the president dictates so much of world policy. just my 2c worth, regards Doug On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:58 am, Allan De Groot wrote: So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom,
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. As a whole, i think the world prefers civil dialogue, which helps us find common ground in an uncertain world, rather than extremism, which can promote fear and loathing of any who believe differently. The places in the world where lots of men, women, and children are dying from bullets and bombs are the places where ideology is taken literally and to extremes. China is the United State's biggest trade partner. The economies of these two nations are mutually dependent. It's in everyone's best interest that all the cash generated by this good business is not spent on weapons of mass destruction. If China sees America as scary people, it could do any number of things, including restricting trade. China has historically shown the capacity to absorb extreme economic shock without losing internal cohesion. The Great Depression of the nineteen-thirties was a walk in the park compared to what China has seen in the 50's and 60's. I don't think America would adjust so easily to empty shelves at Mall Wart, although you know it would be good for us. American made means paying jobs in our hometowns. I don't know if Kerry's handlers are all that different from the current President's, but in the eyes of the world the men stand worlds apart. andres yver ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
hi all at biofuels group Recent telepoll in Ireland says: Kerry 74% Bush 26% What if Bush had spent the 1.5 Trillion dollars expected cost of Iraq war on renewable energy? Free Bush, Free the US, Damian Dolan _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
So far that is THE best aregument for re-electing Bush that I've heard. America's foreign interests may well go against world opinion. if so that's just too bad I don't think that having US national security issues decided in Paris or Bejing is sound judgement the citing that in China Kerry is prefered sets off serious warning bells in my mind. If it doesn't in your mind there is something very wrong. AD At 10:38 PM 9/8/04 -0500, you wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who have the most access to information tend be more negative towards Bush than those with less access to information... Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global Support for US ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
