Re: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#3biod When I first got started I dedicated a kitchen blender, a re-sealable Grolsch beer bottle (for the methoxide) and a small saucepan to the project along with a simple thermometer that I used to use for checking refer loads while trucking (about $9). I only made 500ml test batches rathere than full 1 liter ones and just did the math to calculate the ingredients.After titrating to determine the amount of NaOH or KOH to mix into the methanol; Fill saucepan with oil, heat to 130F (55C) while mixing up the methanol and lye. Be sure all the lye has disolved in the methanol. (the Grolsch bottle was great for this) and that the oil is no more than the 55C or the methoxide will want to boil off it's methanol (148.5F) and that is no good for a complete reaction. Oil is at 55C and methoxide is ready. Pour hot oil into blender,flip on blender (which will no longer be used for food) and slowly add the methoxide through the top opening of the blendeer. Close top and allow to blend for about 18-20 minutes. Toss the lot into a Masson jar and let settle. In the morning you should have a clear seperation of BD on top and glycerine on the bottom, providing everything was mixed properly. And the rest, such as washing ect is pretty well explained at the link. Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel Hello biofuels people, I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a whole bunch of questions. in much of the literature it says that it is important that your reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of how to do that while simultaneously stirring and measuring temperature aren't very well covered until you get into building a complicated reactor (probably not worth it for my 1L test batch) I want to make a jarful, does anyone have any good suggestions for fume management. I saw some mention of using a blender but it is not immediately apparent how one would maintain temperature while blending. I saw people throw out their price per gallon as being in the 40-75 cent range, what are people paying for methanol to be getting those prices? what portion of the methanol is reclaimed? I got my methanol from mcmaster carr for $43/5 gal, they haven't told me yet what it is going to cost to ship even though they promise to ship it today, I am expecting that it will be expensive because it is flammable and toxic. I was looking for an electric immersion heater but I couldn't find one for less than 5 gallons (too big to fit in a jar) should I do some sort of a double boiler on a hot plate??? what kind of a return should I expect, if I start with 1L of oil and 250mL of methanol and 6.25g of lye (planning on doing the 2-stage recipe) how much of each of the products should I expect? Thanks in advance for all of your help!! this is a great list! John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel
go to: (you will find test batch procesor, nad how to do it. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html regards, Denis # Denis Jelatancev s mobile IC S IN HW SIEMENS d.d. Heinzelova 70a 1 Zagreb Croatia Tel.+385 1 6105-678 Fax.+385 1 6105-640 Mob:+385 98 38-42-38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel Go down this page and search out the acompanying links: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#3biod When I first got started I dedicated a kitchen blender, a re-sealable Grolsch beer bottle (for the methoxide) and a small saucepan to the project along with a simple thermometer that I used to use for checking refer loads while trucking (about $9). I only made 500ml test batches rathere than full 1 liter ones and just did the math to calculate the ingredients.After titrating to determine the amount of NaOH or KOH to mix into the methanol; Fill saucepan with oil, heat to 130F (55C) while mixing up the methanol and lye. Be sure all the lye has disolved in the methanol. (the Grolsch bottle was great for this) and that the oil is no more than the 55C or the methoxide will want to boil off it's methanol (148.5F) and that is no good for a complete reaction. Oil is at 55C and methoxide is ready. Pour hot oil into blender,flip on blender (which will no longer be used for food) and slowly add the methoxide through the top opening of the blendeer. Close top and allow to blend for about 18-20 minutes. Toss the lot into a Masson jar and let settle. In the morning you should have a clear seperation of BD on top and glycerine on the bottom, providing everything was mixed properly. And the rest, such as washing ect is pretty well explained at the link. Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel Hello biofuels people, I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a whole bunch of questions. in much of the literature it says that it is important that your reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of how to do that while simultaneously stirring and measuring temperature aren't very well covered until you get into building a complicated reactor (probably not worth it for my 1L test batch) I want to make a jarful, does anyone have any good suggestions for fume management. I saw some mention of using a blender but it is not immediately apparent how one would maintain temperature while blending. I saw people throw out their price per gallon as being in the 40-75 cent range, what are people paying for methanol to be getting those prices? what portion of the methanol is reclaimed? I got my methanol from mcmaster carr for $43/5 gal, they haven't told me yet what it is going to cost to ship even though they promise to ship it today, I am expecting that it will be expensive because it is flammable and toxic. I was looking for an electric immersion heater but I couldn't find one for less than 5 gallons (too big to fit in a jar) should I do some sort of a double boiler on a hot plate??? what kind of a return should I expect, if I start with 1L of oil and 250mL of methanol and 6.25g of lye (planning on doing the 2-stage recipe) how much of each of the products should I expect? Thanks in advance for all of your help!! this is a great list! John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel
You've had some good replies. Hello biofuels people, I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a whole bunch of questions. in much of the literature it says that it is important that your reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of how to do that while simultaneously stirring and measuring temperature aren't very well covered until you get into building a complicated reactor (probably not worth it for my 1L test batch) I want to make a jarful, does anyone have any good suggestions for fume management. I saw some mention of using a blender but it is not immediately apparent how one would maintain temperature while blending. I saw people throw out their price per gallon as being in the 40-75 cent range, what are people paying for methanol to be getting those prices? what portion of the methanol is reclaimed? I got my methanol from mcmaster carr for $43/5 gal, they haven't told me yet what it is going to cost to ship even though they promise to ship it today, I am expecting that it will be expensive because it is flammable and toxic. Lots of information on methanol in the list archives. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Here's a previous message: Contact any bulk, liquid fuels distributor for 55 gallon lots or better. Any bulk propane distributorship should be willing to tell you where they get their methanol from. It's used as a carrier for water, aka a drying agent. For smaller lots speak with the management of any speed shop. Their customer base is largely dependant upon methanol availability. As well, if you know anyone who races, they may be willing to part with small quantities. Also look on the net for distributors of Sunoco Race Fuels. These distributors have access to unblended methanol in all quantities. Todd Swearingen Here's another: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36249/ I was looking for an electric immersion heater but I couldn't find one for less than 5 gallons (too big to fit in a jar) should I do some sort of a double boiler on a hot plate??? Fishtank heaters are small enough, but the link Denis gave you is a better idea. what kind of a return should I expect, if I start with 1L of oil and 250mL of methanol and 6.25g of lye (planning on doing the 2-stage recipe) how much of each of the products should I expect? Not the place to start. It says at the top of that page: The two-stage processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. Start here. Here being here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Not for novices: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart If all you want to do is avoid having to learn how to do titration, you're cheating yourself. You need to know that, no matter what method you use. Best wishes Keith Thanks in advance for all of your help!! this is a great list! John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel
I appreciate the advice you have given me. my college chemistry classes taught me titration, not too difficult and not my reason for selecting the 2-stage process, after reading both recipes throughly I decided that there was not much more difficulty in the 2-stage process as long as you follow the directions carefully. I also agree with the author's assessment that the normal methods are sloppy chemistry and that pushing the reaction by removing the glycerin and then adding the last of the methoxide was a good idea. other than that (and the titration which didn't seem to be necessary for new oil which I am starting with the getting started page seems to think that the amount of lye necessary is pretty standard for pure unused oil) the two processes didn't seem much different. I am still however a novice so in light of all of that I would like to be told that I am wrong if I am. perhaps I will do the normal recipe after my two-stage completes and see what the difference in the results are. I already started my two stage and it seems to be working really well, after appx 16 minutes of settling I had a good ratio of BD/FAME to glycerin (considering that my reaction isn't complete yet). I will be siphoning off the FAME and re-reacting tonight, then washing starting tomorrow. I have some really good pictures of all of this and I am building a website including my whole process I will send a link to the list once it has completed tomorrow and I have written it all up. again, thanks so much for the advice and the welcome! John Guttridge Keith Addison wrote: Hello John, welcome You've had some good replies. Hello biofuels people, I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a whole bunch of questions. in much of the literature it says that it is important that your reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of how to do that while simultaneously stirring and measuring temperature aren't very well covered until you get into building a complicated reactor (probably not worth it for my 1L test batch) I want to make a jarful, does anyone have any good suggestions for fume management. I saw some mention of using a blender but it is not immediately apparent how one would maintain temperature while blending. I saw people throw out their price per gallon as being in the 40-75 cent range, what are people paying for methanol to be getting those prices? what portion of the methanol is reclaimed? I got my methanol from mcmaster carr for $43/5 gal, they haven't told me yet what it is going to cost to ship even though they promise to ship it today, I am expecting that it will be expensive because it is flammable and toxic. Lots of information on methanol in the list archives. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Here's a previous message: Contact any bulk, liquid fuels distributor for 55 gallon lots or better. Any bulk propane distributorship should be willing to tell you where they get their methanol from. It's used as a carrier for water, aka a drying agent. For smaller lots speak with the management of any speed shop. Their customer base is largely dependant upon methanol availability. As well, if you know anyone who races, they may be willing to part with small quantities. Also look on the net for distributors of Sunoco Race Fuels. These distributors have access to unblended methanol in all quantities. Todd Swearingen Here's another: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36249/ I was looking for an electric immersion heater but I couldn't find one for less than 5 gallons (too big to fit in a jar) should I do some sort of a double boiler on a hot plate??? Fishtank heaters are small enough, but the link Denis gave you is a better idea. what kind of a return should I expect, if I start with 1L of oil and 250mL of methanol and 6.25g of lye (planning on doing the 2-stage recipe) how much of each of the products should I expect? Not the place to start. It says at the top of that page: The two-stage processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. Start here. Here being here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Not for novices: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart If all you want to do is avoid having to learn how to do titration, you're cheating yourself. You need to know that, no matter what method you use. Best wishes Keith Thanks in advance for all of your help!! this is a great list! John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
