Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Question
Hey all, Question about ethanol use in biodiesel batches. I'm planning to made my 1st biodiesel batch from used veg oil in next few weeks. After reading From the fryer to the fuel tank, it seems that methanol creates a more reliable reaction than ethanol, but I like the idea of using ethanol better. Any updates on success of using ehtanol over methanol??? Thanks. Hello Brian The short answer - yes. Details: Ethyl-esters biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester Please let us know how you get on. Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: David Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:43:10 + Subject:Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question Send reply to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Gringo VaLaCasa wrote: Has anyone tried raising algae? Spirulina species- www.earthrise.com They sell dietary supplements made from spirulina. I read one of their technical reports detailing the components particulary lipids (name for oils in their natural state). I also saw something about bd from spirulina somewhere or a suggested use - . wicked memory loss:-) [SNIP] If you have a Phd in microbiology and the money to back you, then fine go for algae. The problem is that whilst they have potential, they still need a lot of research to be done before they are a viable bd source. Also spirulina is useless for biodiesel, it has quite low lipid content. There are better ones kicking around the place. Andrew//***\\ || Two things get me out of the water quickly: || || sharks and toilet paper. || || Billy Connelly || ||***|| || Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng || || Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming|| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *|* Perth, Australia || || www.wht.com.au *|* C, C++, MDL, Java|| \\***// Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
Just a quick question - if used cooking oil is hard to find where you are, what do you plan to use? Is new oil available at a price that you can afford, compared to petroleum diesel? Also: Have you considered going to SVO instead of biodiesel to get around the methanol issue? Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:07:34 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol question Is there anyone out there who is making biodiesel with ethanol on a small scale (under 1,000 gallons a day)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
Thank you for your inquiry. Diesel fuel in most every country is over two dollars (USA) or more per gallon. Also most all of the vehicles run on diesel because the price of diesel is much less expensive than gasoline. The wholesale price of vegetable oils is less than the common price in the USA. So oil is reasonable, compared to USA prices and fuel is more expensive. This makes for a good business in certain markets. I plan to use algea, palm, coconut and another oil that is available. All of these are available in quantity. Using straight oil may tend to cause some problems but I plan to do some experiments. From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:22:11 -0800 Just a quick question - if used cooking oil is hard to find where you are, what do you plan to use? Is new oil available at a price that you can afford, compared to petroleum diesel? Also: Have you considered going to SVO instead of biodiesel to get around the methanol issue? Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:07:34 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol question Is there anyone out there who is making biodiesel with ethanol on a small scale (under 1,000 gallons a day)? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
You do not need to experiment to the point of reinventing the wheel. Many people, myself included, have been using SVO for quite a while with no problems when done properly, and it is certainly a viable, easier and less expensive option than producing biodiesel in difficult circumstances, especially for indirect injection engines operating in relatively warm climates. Why not ask this group for help or email me directly with any questions on the components and systems we have available. We have spent considerable time criss-crossing Canada, testing in winter in summer in tough mountain driving, in various vehicles and now have what we feel are good solutions at fair prices. Also, there are interesting reports on the blending of ethanol with SVO starting to surface. Regards, Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:28:40 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question Thank you for your inquiry. Diesel fuel in most every country is over two dollars (USA) or more per gallon. Also most all of the vehicles run on diesel because the price of diesel is much less expensive than gasoline. The wholesale price of vegetable oils is less than the common price in the USA. So oil is reasonable, compared to USA prices and fuel is more expensive. This makes for a good business in certain markets. I plan to use algea, palm, coconut and another oil that is available. All of these are available in quantity. Using straight oil may tend to cause some problems but I plan to do some experiments. From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:22:11 -0800 Just a quick question - if used cooking oil is hard to find where you are, what do you plan to use? Is new oil available at a price that you can afford, compared to petroleum diesel? Also: Have you considered going to SVO instead of biodiesel to get around the methanol issue? Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:07:34 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol question Is there anyone out there who is making biodiesel with ethanol on a small scale (under 1,000 gallons a day)? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
Hi Gerry Is there anyone out there who is making biodiesel with ethanol on a small scale (under 1,000 gallons a day)? Is it impracticle to make biodiesel with ethanol on a small scale? Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process -- a sure-fire recipe for biodiesel from ethanol (which you can make yourself), instead of methanol (which is toxic, fossil-fuel derived, and you can't make it yourself). http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethyl_esters.html I have lived in Mexico, Costa Rica, Peru, Ecuador, St. Vincent Grenada (Caribbean) over the last six years. Used vegitable oil is either nearly non-existant or non-existant due to high extreme poverty. The french fry oil and other restaurant and processing oils are used in other recipes and recycled with fresh oil. Nice for the arteries, eh? With the exception of Mexico, I could find no supply of used oil. Methanol is very difficult to obtain without having an industrial permit (not easily obtainable) and certainly not without going to the capital and paying someone off. Ethanol is made in most every village and in back rooms. Due to the tropical environment (abundance of vegetation) ethanol is not a difficult item to produce. Using a molecular seive or collesar to extract the water may very well be an answer to the water mixing with ethanol. So...is it practical to make biodiesel with homemade ethanol (assuming that the water can be extracted from the alcohol first)??? Does anyone out there know? Lots of information here: Ethyl-ester biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester See also: Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meToC.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html ALSO, if algae is grown next to the ocean, using brine and the natural high temperatures found in the aforementioned countries, can the algae cake (left after extracting the oil) be used as part of the formula to make ethanol? Has anyone tried raising algae? Try an archive search, you'll find quite a lot of information, including messages from members who've gone into this and concluded it's not practicable without a LOT of infrastructure. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Thank you in advance for any information you may have regarding these matters. Gerry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
