[biofuel] Re: Tucson Biofuel
x-charset ISO-8859-1If that group was [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which still turns up at the internet searches once in a while), that was three years ago (it was me and a few people) and is not still in existence. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I'm brand new to the biodiesel world. I am currently buying B-20 from a manufacturer in Tucson, but I would like to make my own. Is there anyone, or does anyone know anyone, in Tucson, AZ who would be willing to help in my learning process? Any info and/or contacts would be greatly appreciated. I know there is a group in Tucson making biodiesel from WVO collectively, but the email address I found for them did not work. Thank you, Brian __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] WVO wick
x-charset ISO-8859-1Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] New to Biodiesel
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi all, I have been talking and reserching biofuel for several months now and have succsesfully made test batches in a blender. This Yahoo group is great and an invalualble resorse. And so now I am ready to build my first prossesing unit, and wish to pick some brains out there. Here is the deal, I want to make about 30-40 Gallons per batch. I have the space to do so, but keep going back and forth about systems and also methods Mike Pelly or Aleks Kac. I wish to re-use and recycle or turn into something as much of the by products as possable. Is there any advise out there from some one with a simuler size prossesing unit. Thanks much. Matthew Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] VW1.9TD @ 20,000km on WVO: Pics posted
Hi all: Uploaded some pics of my Van's engine with head off... http://homepage.mac.com/neobio/PhotoAlbum40.html Hit start slide show, upper right for large size pics. This is a 1996 vintage 1.9TD. Head gasket was starting to let go, due to possible factory installation of wrong head gasket (too thick). Engine has ~50,000 total km, on it and ~20,000 of that on Canola WVO on a two-tank heated system (G3 SVO Max), and using gravity settled oil. Looks very clean, mechanics are VW specialists, busy shop, best in region. They see nothing unusual compared to diesel. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WashTimes article titled ' NOAA's thermometer '
NOAA's thermometer, commentary on Administrator of NOAA retired Vice Adm. Conrad Lautenbacher Jr. (Feb. 14, 2004, www.washtimes.com ) ' Liberals would like Mr. Lautenbacher to proclaim man-caused global warming an immediate threat. Conservatives would like him to call global warming a myth. ' He does neither. Instead he claimed, We have a large body of research that tells us there is something to worry about. It [the climate] could be changing I honestly don't know maybe, perhaps not. www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040214-112850-3166r.htm Four years ago head of NOAA in 2000 Dr. James Baker said, The world continues to get warmer. There is no question that we are seeing global warming. (The CBS Evening News, Jan.10, 2000) Why is skepticism about global warming greater now than four years ago? There have been thousands of government and university scientific studies and reports. The reports have shown that global warming has been happening with higher certainty, at greater rates of warming ... with perilous consequences ahead. What's the deal? This is mother Earth. :-( Pat N The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO wick
Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? Yes. On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. So did we. It's said, as with biodiesel, that it won't travel up a wick, but it depends on the wick. The wick should be loose, not tightly wound, thick (about 1cm) with plenty of room in whatever it's fitted into (a loose fit), and the burning bit has to be less than about 3cm maximum from the fuel level. Todd Swearingen previously suggested a donut-shaped arrangement around the burning wick(s) to get the fuel level right. You'd need a few such wicks going for an effective stove, maybe six or eight. Adjusting them all, and lowering them to extinguish the stove, are problems to be solved, but shouldn't be too hard. Best Keith Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy
Dave Williams wrote: Keith Addison wrote: ... rather more than just this bit you've quoted: Attacking Bill Ford for greenwashing and not practising what he preaches is not a huge waste of time and resources, what it will accomplish is to expose him for the cheat that he is, maybe even help force him to start putting his money where his mouth is for a change - and maybe help create a bit of much-needed public scepticism for the likes of Ford and his ilk. La-dee-da. A major flap on CNN and in the National Enquirer might persuade three or four people not to buy a new Ford... and might just as easily attract that many or more just because of the name recognition factor. New car purchases hinge almost exclusively on two factors - down payment and payments per month. Uh-huh... and the multi-billions Detroit's Big Three spend every year on marketing and rather more than just marketing are of course a total waste of money, wholly ineffective, it doesn't bend a single decision, and they only do it as a favour to their sweet old aunties who own Madison Avenue. And it's a delusion that you'd need similar multi-billions to counter what it does achieve - a few bright and dedicated folks with a couple of cheap computers and a connection can do it, as has now been fairly amply demonstrated. Um... among much else, you also forgot the tax handouts for buying an SUV guzzler. Even if you were successful beyond your wildest dreams in creating skepticism, it wouldn't affect Ford's sales enough to notice. If that had indeed been all that Tim and I had together proposed, maybe you might have a point, or maybe not - it still wouldn't make it not worth doing. But it wasn't all we proposed. Rest of message restored below, la-dee-da. Best Keith Previous: Hello Tim Ford, like any business, exists because there is a MARKET for their product. Attacking the businessman for simply practicing capitalism is a huge waste of time and resources, and will accomplish little. Practising capitalism is no bad thing, or not necessarily, but I don't think that covers the way big corporations like Ford manipulate the market for their own ends, and do it very intensely indeed. The alleged magic of the marketplace can't quite compete with the hundreds of billions poured every year into PR and advertising in the US (and into corporate media ownership, and lobbying). Attacking Bill Ford for greenwashing and not practising what he preaches is not a huge waste of time and resources, what it will accomplish is to expose him for the cheat that he is, maybe even help force him to start putting his money where his mouth is for a change - and maybe help create a bit of much-needed public scepticism for the likes of Ford and his ilk. A better approach would focus on reducing demand for oversized gas guzzlers. This opens the conversation to many more solutions and options, but requires that individuals be held fully accountable for their decisions, and forced to bear the true cost of them. Yes, that's a better approach, but counterspin needs a good knowledge of how spin works, and your first paragraph isn't very encouraging. There's a lot of very good information on this in the archives. Sadly, I have sat in California State hearings and meetings and witnessed groups like Blue Water Network, Sierra Club, NRDC and others climb on-board with the very corporate interests they claim to be attacking. What an interesting marketing angle they have taken! When the rubber meets the road, it is easier to raise funds to keep an organization going if said organization is not actually doing the corporate interest any real harm. In fact, if the so- called environmentalist organization will assist in the greenwashing, the corporate entity will help out with funding. Hard to resist for the average college graduate trying to make a living. Environment Inc. is a bit of a different subject, and I don't think the big enviro groups really represent the environment movement or environmentalists in general. From a previous post: Many so-called public-interest organizations have become big businesses, multinational nonprofit corporations... in the eighties and nineties, environmentalism became a big business, and organizations like the Audubon Society, the Wilderness Society, the National Wildlife Federation, the Environmental Defense Fund, and the Natural Resources Defense Council [and Club Sierra!] became competing multi-million-dollar bureaucracies. These organizations... seem much more interested in the business of greening than in fighting for fundamental social change. Another problem is that big green groups have virtually no accountability to the many thousands of individuals who provide them with money. Meanwhile, the grass-roots environmental groups are starved of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are raised every year by these massive bureaucracies. Over the past two decades, they've
Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy
Keith Addison wrote: Attacking Bill Ford for greenwashing and not practising what he preaches is not a huge waste of time and resources, what it will accomplish is to expose him for the cheat that he is, maybe even help force him to start putting his money where his mouth is for a change - and maybe help create a bit of much-needed public scepticism for the likes of Ford and his ilk. La-dee-da. A major flap on CNN and in the National Enquirer might persuade three or four people not to buy a new Ford... and might just as easily attract that many or more just because of the name recognition factor. New car purchases hinge almost exclusively on two factors - down payment and payments per month. Even if you were successful beyond your wildest dreams in creating skepticism, it wouldn't affect Ford's sales enough to notice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Jatropha
x-charset ISO-8859-1 hi jatropha does nt need special nutients and plenty of water etc. it is a very cheap maintenance. as usual manure is enough for high oil yield. many thanks -vidhya --- suman sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - namaskar, we want to cultivate the jatropha plant . can anybody tell us that direct planting from seeds would be better or through nursery operation in terms of oil contains. thanks suman Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha frm vidhya
x-charset ISO-8859-1 hi if you use one litre of jatropha for transesterification process then you will get 850 to 900 ml of biodiesel. with 76 grams of residue wer 10 - 15 ml of glycerol can be obtained thanks bye--vidhya --- Equipment Engineers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Dear Rajesh, We are working on Biodiesel from Pungam seeds oil, We are located in Chennai India. We are yet to standardise the process. Please let me know how efficient is Jatropha, in terms of raw oil price and the cost of inputs. Howmuch final product we get from Jatropha. Please note we can supply you the Reaction vessel and the associated system, if you are planning for one. Regards Girish - Original Message - From: rajesh sk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha i AM FROM iit DELHI PRESENTLY WORKING ON PROJECT ON Biodiesel PRODUCTION FROM jATROPHA. Jatropha is a treee born oil seed. The tree grows 4 to 5 meter and it grows in developing countries like india, Zambia, and other countries. Jatrpha plant also has madicinal value. If u need further details u can contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sumit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Are there any members out there who know much about Jatropha and it's processing requirements. Thanks, Sumit Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] to VIDHDYA
x-charset ISO-8859-1 plz visit the web site http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html yu can find every details about biodiesel. if you hav furthe doubts plz dont hesitate to contact me ok bye cu regards vidhya --- bazeeth ahamed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - DEAR MADAM My self K.M. BAZEETH AHAMED, working as lecturer in Engg collge in vellore. i have started to work on biodisel recently. my plan is to compare the results of methyl and ethyl esters of used groundnut oil. i have prepared the methyl ester of fryed groundnut oil and ethyl ester under progress. i find difficulty in finding the properties of the esters(like calorific value, cetane number etc) kindly give me your sugestions. with regards K.M. BAZEETH AHAMED --- Equipment Engineers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am from Chennai. Do you have any test results on Pungam oil. i will be grateful if you can send me, your test comparison on Pungam and jetropha based biodiesel production. Regards Girish - Original Message - From: pinky 22in To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha hi i am vidhyaI from India.I have completed M.Sc in Environmental sciences In PSG college India, and completed my M.E environmental engineering in Griffith university Australia and MBA in Alagappa University India. now from KCT coimbatore working on biodiesel from jatropha also i have tested different oils but found jatropha is efficient.on what aspect you r working regards vidhya --- rajesh sk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - i AM FROM iit DELHI PRESENTLY WORKING ON PROJECT ON Biodiesel PRODUCTION FROM jATROPHA. Jatropha is a treee born oil seed. The tree grows 4 to 5 meter and it grows in developing countries like india, Zambia, and other countries. Jatrpha plant also has madicinal value. If u need further details u can contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sumit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Are there any members out there who know much about Jatropha and it's processing requirements. Thanks, Sumit Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. Go to http://in.specials.yahoo.com/index1.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an
Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha frm vidhya
x-charset ISO-8859-1hi pongamiia test is going on i just tested cotton seed oil and jatropha sofar.-vidhya --- Equipment Engineers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi, I am from Chennai. Do you have any test results on Pungam oil. i will be grateful if you can send me, your test comparison on Pungam and jetropha based biodiesel production. Regards Girish - Original Message - From: pinky 22in To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha hi i am vidhyaI from India.I have completed M.Sc in Environmental sciences In PSG college India, and completed my M.E environmental engineering in Griffith university Australia and MBA in Alagappa University India. now from KCT coimbatore working on biodiesel from jatropha also i have tested different oils but found jatropha is efficient.on what aspect you r working regards vidhya --- rajesh sk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - i AM FROM iit DELHI PRESENTLY WORKING ON PROJECT ON Biodiesel PRODUCTION FROM jATROPHA. Jatropha is a treee born oil seed. The tree grows 4 to 5 meter and it grows in developing countries like india, Zambia, and other countries. Jatrpha plant also has madicinal value. If u need further details u can contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sumit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Are there any members out there who know much about Jatropha and it's processing requirements. Thanks, Sumit Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. Go to http://in.specials.yahoo.com/index1.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy
Tim, While I agree with much of what you say, there are different ways to practice capitalism, just as there are different ways to practice environmentalism. Xerox, Intercept, Ecover are just a few examples of companies that have taken different and profitable directions from those of their competitors. While educating consumers to change their preferences is important, don't overlook the fact that much of the demand for SUVs was generated by the auto industry itself, the better to exploit a loophole in the CAFE standards. Businesses operate in an environment whose parameters are set, at least partially, by government - taxes, regulations, incentives, and so on. The auto industry does everything it can, and that is a lot, to modify that environment to be more favorable to them, but they generally do so in an extremely shortsighted and faithless manner. All the US carmakers took huge quantities of federal research money in the 90s, in partnership with the Clinton administration, to develop diesel-electric hybrids. They all brought forth promising prototypes and then...*poof* on to the next best thing - fuel cells. Where are these hybrids? Nowhere. It was just a strategy to temporize making real changes. FACT: the industry does not satisfy the demand that exists for fuel efficient vehicles. I had just three choices when I bought my Golf in 2001, and none of them were US cars. The fact that the Prius sells out far in advance is proof of unmet demand. But US automakers want $ NOW, and are unwilling to invest for returns just a few years down the road. Dave Williams wrote: New car purchases hinge almost exclusively on two factors - down payment and payments per month. Even if you were successful beyond your wildest dreams in creating skepticism, it wouldn't affect Ford's sales enough to notice. Perhaps, but what would make a difference is educating consumers, and companies, to think in terms of flows of services rather than ownership. Xerox, mentioned earlier, designs its copiers to be reused. They don't sell copiers but lease them, providing copying services to customers. They take back old copiers and break them down and remanufacture them. What if car companies did that with autos, rather than sending them to the junkyard. All kinds of valuable raw materials - gold, copper, platinum, aluminum, chromium to name a few - are sold to the consumer (who doesn't want them when they are done with the car) and then thrown away with the vehicle. To the car company those materials are highly valuable, but the production life cycle is not designed to make (re)use of those materials. No, the problem is not that US auto companies are capitalists. It's that they are capitalists working in an outdated industrial paradigm and have too short a time horizon to think seriously about making substantial changes to their business structure. They don't know how to evolve. And if they don't learn soon, they will perish. thor skov Message: 8 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:23:25 - From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy Ford, like any business, exists because there is a MARKET for their product. Attacking the businessman for simply practicing capitalism is a huge waste of time and resources, and will accomplish little. A better approach would focus on reducing demand for oversized gas guzzlers. This opens the conversation to many more solutions and options, but requires that individuals be held fully accountable for their decisions, and forced to bear the true cost of them. Sadly, I have sat in California State hearings and meetings and witnessed groups like Blue Water Network, Sierra Club, NRDC and others climb on-board with the very corporate interests they claim to be attacking. What an interesting marketing angle they have taken! When the rubber meets the road, it is easier to raise funds to keep an organization going if said organization is not actually doing the corporate interest any real harm. In fact, if the so-called environmentalist organization will assist in the greenwashing, the corporate entity will help out with funding. Hard to resist for the average college graduate trying to make a living. I would like to see League of Conservation Voters, or CodePINK, or Ben Jerry's thing True Majority, or the long distance marketing thing, Working Assets (This one is including jet air travel incentives now) or any of those mentioned before, plus many I have missed - I would like to see them actually work toward changing CONSUMERS preferences, and educating CONSUMERS with the truth, instead of playing the typical addicts game of Blame Shame. Heh, not the most popular guy on the block, Tim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] WVO wick
Floating wicks or simple wick holders can be fashioned, as simple as a piece of copper ground wire around the wick to support it, or hang it off of a jar, and wound around the wick loosely and into the oil (this also transfers heat back down into the oil, so it acts as a preheater) ... or take a long-neck (emptied!) beer bottle, punch a hole in the cap, install lamp wick to a tight fit, fill bottle with vegoil, reinstall capthan lay it down on its side. That will get the oil thru the wick, whereas it will not work if the bottle is standing upright. You can then set a bunch of these in a row or in a circle for an interesting effect, and get some decent BTU's at the same time! Changing the angle of the bottle, and adjusting the wick protrusion from the cap will give the desired amount of flame...keep the wicks trimmed, clean and fairly short and they will burn for an hour or so at at time, then usually need have the carbon knocked off, and be re-lit. On Tuesday, February 17, 2004, at 07:55 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? Yes. On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. So did we. It's said, as with biodiesel, that it won't travel up a wick, but it depends on the wick. The wick should be loose, not tightly wound, thick (about 1cm) with plenty of room in whatever it's fitted into (a loose fit), and the burning bit has to be less than about 3cm maximum from the fuel level. Todd Swearingen previously suggested a donut-shaped arrangement around the burning wick(s) to get the fuel level right. You'd need a few such wicks going for an effective stove, maybe six or eight. Adjusting them all, and lowering them to extinguish the stove, are problems to be solved, but shouldn't be too hard. Best Keith Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO wick
x-charset ISO-8859-1On which board ? How did he do it, and most important : Did it work at all ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: northlandwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: [biofuel] WVO wick Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] sunflower seed
x-charset ISO-8859-1could any lister direct me to a source of high oil content sunflower seeds that are non-hybird ? i would like to replant some of this years seeds, for next years crop. i live in the north eastern usa. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] WVO wick
x-charset ISO-8859-1Yep, Too much smoke, inconsistent flame, flaring and nasty fast food odour... If you are trying to impress your honey with a romantic WVO lamp, not a good idea. SM - Original Message - From: northlandwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: [biofuel] WVO wick Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha frm vidhya
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi Pinky, Do you know what the residue can be used for? or how to safely dispose of it? SM - Original Message - From: pinky 22in [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha frm vidhya hi if you use one litre of jatropha for transesterification process then you will get 850 to 900 ml of biodiesel. with 76 grams of residue wer 10 - 15 ml of glycerol can be obtained thanks bye--vidhya --- Equipment Engineers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Dear Rajesh, We are working on Biodiesel from Pungam seeds oil, We are located in Chennai India. We are yet to standardise the process. Please let me know how efficient is Jatropha, in terms of raw oil price and the cost of inputs. Howmuch final product we get from Jatropha. Please note we can supply you the Reaction vessel and the associated system, if you are planning for one. Regards Girish - Original Message - From: rajesh sk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Extractors and distillation of Jatropha i AM FROM iit DELHI PRESENTLY WORKING ON PROJECT ON Biodiesel PRODUCTION FROM jATROPHA. Jatropha is a treee born oil seed. The tree grows 4 to 5 meter and it grows in developing countries like india, Zambia, and other countries. Jatrpha plant also has madicinal value. If u need further details u can contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sumit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Are there any members out there who know much about Jatropha and it's processing requirements. Thanks, Sumit Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! India Education Special: Study in the UK now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [biofuel] sunflower seed
on 2/18/04 2:41 AM, shoprat06488 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could any lister direct me to a source of high oil content sunflower seeds that are non-hybird ? i would like to replant some of this years seeds, for next years crop. i live in the northeastern usa. A common variety would be Peredovik -- I planted them a couple years back and they grew well, til the squirrels discovered them. Here's a link to one supplier, but many others carry them also. Do a Google search on peredovik sunflower. http://www.echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/sunflowerseed.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO wick
Has anyone tried burning wvo in a kerosene heater? Some kerosene heaters have round, fiberglass wicks and it seems like they might just work for wvo. Jeff From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO wick Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? Yes. On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. So did we. It's said, as with biodiesel, that it won't travel up a wick, but it depends on the wick. The wick should be loose, not tightly wound, thick (about 1cm) with plenty of room in whatever it's fitted into (a loose fit), and the burning bit has to be less than about 3cm maximum from the fuel level. Todd Swearingen previously suggested a donut-shaped arrangement around the burning wick(s) to get the fuel level right. You'd need a few such wicks going for an effective stove, maybe six or eight. Adjusting them all, and lowering them to extinguish the stove, are problems to be solved, but shouldn't be too hard. Best Keith Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO wick
It does not work. It might work better in something like a Nordic stove. On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 08:05 AM, Jeff wrote: Has anyone tried burning wvo in a kerosene heater? Some kerosene heaters have round, fiberglass wicks and it seems like they might just work for wvo. Jeff From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO wick Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? Yes. On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. So did we. It's said, as with biodiesel, that it won't travel up a wick, but it depends on the wick. The wick should be loose, not tightly wound, thick (about 1cm) with plenty of room in whatever it's fitted into (a loose fit), and the burning bit has to be less than about 3cm maximum from the fuel level. Todd Swearingen previously suggested a donut-shaped arrangement around the burning wick(s) to get the fuel level right. You'd need a few such wicks going for an effective stove, maybe six or eight. Adjusting them all, and lowering them to extinguish the stove, are problems to be solved, but shouldn't be too hard. Best Keith Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO wick
x-charset ISO-8859-1Jeff, Has anyone tried burning wvo in a kerosene heater? Some kerosene heaters have round, fiberglass wicks and it seems like they might just work for wvo. It won't work as they are designed. You need to keep the fuel level less than one inch from the combustion point due to the poor wicking properties of vegetable oil. You may also experience reasonable amounts of carmeling due to the glycerol fragment of the oil molecules. Take your lead from floating oil candles, canning jar oil candles and some of the designs of ancient oil lamps. What you will find in each of these instances is that the combustion point stays near the fluid level. With floating wicks the wick platform lowers as the fuel is consumed, keeping the flame at a constant distance from the fuel. In canning jar candles the wick oxidizes (self-trims/burns)as the fuel is consumed, keeping the flame at a constant distance from the fuel. In oil lamps of ancient design (Greek, Roman, Arabic, Gothic, Jewish, etc.) the lamp resevoirs are a low profile yet relatively broad, permitting a moderate amount of fuel in a vessel of small height, keeping the capillary function relatively short and the fuel level always in near proximity to the combustion point. You'll find the same problem exists, albeit to a lesser degree, with biodiesel, which is still slightly more viscous than kerosene. You'll also find biodiesel to be a cleaner burning fuel than veg oil, requiring less wick maintenance (carbon buildup and carmeling) and quite suitable for indoor use almost no matter what the parent feedstock was. The solution to utilizing existing equipment, such as the wick heater you are speaking of, would be to design a drip fuel system that fed the wick at a level just below the combustion point. Leaning out the fuel-to-air mixture would be accomplished through a needle valve that would increase or decrease fuel flow. The oil would have to be well filtered to prevent needle valve plugging. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO wick Has anyone tried burning wvo in a kerosene heater? Some kerosene heaters have round, fiberglass wicks and it seems like they might just work for wvo. Jeff From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO wick Has anyone tried or had luck burning WVO with a wick? Yes. On another board I read that a guy built a burner based around a wick method. So did we. It's said, as with biodiesel, that it won't travel up a wick, but it depends on the wick. The wick should be loose, not tightly wound, thick (about 1cm) with plenty of room in whatever it's fitted into (a loose fit), and the burning bit has to be less than about 3cm maximum from the fuel level. Todd Swearingen previously suggested a donut-shaped arrangement around the burning wick(s) to get the fuel level right. You'd need a few such wicks going for an effective stove, maybe six or eight. Adjusting them all, and lowering them to extinguish the stove, are problems to be solved, but shouldn't be too hard. Best Keith Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Many thanks for the responses, it is good to know there are others who see through the marketing campaigns. I have no beef with capitalism. My rant was meant to point out our co-dependant tendency to look outward for someone to blame rather than encouraging individuals to accept responsibility for their actions. For example, if the cost and responsibility of recycling the materials were included in the sales price of new vehicles, folks might not be in such a hurry to rush out and buy the latest model every year. Indeed, manufacturers that made long lasting quality products, that could be repaired rather than discarded, would emerge on top of those selling shoddy cheap goods that break soon after the warranty expires and are unrepairable due to design and materials used. That said, Keith made an important point that is all-to-often missing from my rants; that is one of tolerence and acceptance of others points of view, with a gentle, but persistant presentation of logical arguments to persuade, rather than badger, others to a new perspective on things. In other words, I need to lighten up! It is my opinion that if one is waiting for Ford, or any other big corporation, to lead the way environmentally, one will be sorely dissappointed. Like drunks blaming the world for their troubles, whilst tipping the bottle one-more-time, so-called environmentalists fly around in jet airplanes and drive SUV's while scolding the capitalist for supplying his demand. It's crazy man! Capitalists exist only because their is a demand for their product. Reduce demand, the capitalist will find another product to profit from. I don't often disagree with Keith, but on this one point we do have slightly differing points of view, namely that it will not do much good to have Blue Water Network, NRDC and all the others bugging Ford and their kind becuase I have witnessed them joining sides with the polluters. At that point they become more of a liability than an asset due to the false impression they give, letting an apathetic public off the hook for our part in the ugliness, by simply selling us a subscription to their magazine or providing a place we can send $25 to ease our conscience. I would rather see these organizations focus their resources on fully educating my brethren, and on forcing the politicians to quit granting favors that let these criminals off the hook. But then I am an idealist, and a dreamer. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: WVO wick
x-charset ISO-8859-1Thanks for all the comments. These were my thoughts, but wanted input from others. On the the other board(I can't remember it's name) maybe http://www.veggieavenger.com you know how it is...1am your bouncing from link to link to link to link and now you can't remember how to get home again. This guy was making a thing he called a log replacer or something to that effect. He made a system that used a wick(s). He did drip the oil in to refill as it was burned. I think he also used a wick on a float. The chamber was set up so that if the oil drip got away it would fill up the chamber and snuff out the wick before it overflowed to a outside tank. He put the system in his fireplace insert. I do not know how hot this would get, but I guess if you had several wicks going you might get some heat. Oh.and no I am not trying to impress my honey with a romantic WVO lamp.Don't think I would like the smell of McDonalds in my living room. She already thinks I'm crazy. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 02/18/04
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) http://www.eere.energy.gov/Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). February 18, 2004 #newsNews and Events #6639Dow Installs a 75-Kilowatt GM Fuel Cell, Earns DOE Kudos #6664Engineers Find Economical Way to Make Hydrogen from Ethanol #6665New Hampshire Slated to Earn Ethanol Exemption; California Wants In #Natural-Gas and Hybrid-Electric Cars Top Green List #6667Five Power Companies Commit to Clean Energy, Cap Greenhouse Gases #6668Florida Power Light Launches Green Power Program #siteSite News DOE's New Solar Energy Technologies Program Web Site Shines! #energyEnergy Connections After a Cold December, EIA Expects Higher Winter Heating Costs News and Events Dow Installs a 75-Kilowatt GM Fuel Cell, Earns DOE Kudos The Dow-GM fuel cell installation in Texas. Credit: Dow Chemical Company Dow Chemical Company began drawing on a 75-kilowatt fuel cell to help power its Texas Operations site in Freeport, Texas, on February 10th. The fuel cell, manufactured by General Motors Corporation (GM), marks the first concrete step in a Dow-GM fuel cell collaboration first announced in May 2003. Dow produces the hydrogen fuel for the fuel cell as a byproduct of its chemical manufacturing process; currently, Dow either burns the hydrogen in its boilers or sells it to industrial gas companies. Although the new installation is a test that will last four to six months, with more fuel cells to be added this summer, Dow and GM plan to eventually install 35 megawatts of fuel cells. That would meet two percent of the power needs for Dow's Texas Operations site, which is Dow's largest chemical plant. See the http://www.dow.com/susdev/news/20040210a.htmDow press release and the http://www.dow.com/susdev/fuelcell/index.htmDow Fuel Cell Program Web site. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham was among the dignitaries who flipped the switch on the new fuel cell installation. Secretary Abraham applauded the fuel cell test, which will demonstrate the viability of fuel-cell power generation for chemical manufacturing. The Dow-GM transaction typifies the type of creative arrangements that will arise from the new hydrogen economy, said Secretary Abraham. See the http://www.energy.gov/engine/content.do?PUBLIC_ID=14921BT_CODE=PR_PR ESSRELEASESTT_CODE=PRESSRELEASEDOE press release. Engineers Find Economical Way to Make Hydrogen from Ethanol Researchers at the University of Minnesota claimed last week to have discovered a method of producing hydrogen from ethanol that is efficient enough to potentially serve as an economical source of hydrogen. The engineers used an automotive fuel injector to vaporize a mixture of ethanol and water, and then used a catalyst to convert that vapor into a mixture of hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and other byproducts. The researchers claim a unit small enough to fit in a person's hand would be able to generate enough hydrogen to fuel a one-kilowatt fuel cell, capable of powering an average home. A major advantage of the University of Minnesota invention is its use of a mixture of ethanol and water, eliminating an energy-costly step needed to separate the two for use as a combustion fuel. The efficiency of the conversion process and the fuel cell add to that benefit. We can potentially capture 50 percent of the energy stored in sugar (in corn), whereas converting the sugar to ethanol and burning the ethanol in a car would harvest only 20 percent of the energy in sugar, said researcher Lanny Schmidt. The research was published in Friday's edition of the journal Science and was partially funded by DOE. See the http://www.ur.umn.edu/FMPro?-db=releases-lay=web-format=unsreleases /releasesdetail.html-RecID=33795-FindUniversity of Minnesota press release. Meanwhile, DOE is funding research to produce ethanol from non-starchy biomass sources such as corn leaves, corn stalks, and other agricultural wastes. These woody biomass sources are high in lignin, a glue-like substance that makes fermentation difficult. Last week, Danish company Novozymes A/S announced that it had achieved a 12-fold reduction in the cost of the enzymes needed to convert woody biomass sources into ethanol. Novozymes, the world's largest manufacturer of enzymes, was able to cut the cost for enzymes by increasing the enzyme activity and fermentation yield. As a result, the company reduced the cost of the enzymes needed to produce one gallon of ethanol from woody biomass from $5 per gallon to less than 50 cents per gallon. The research is being performed under a three-year subcontract from DOE, in collaboration with DOE's National Renewable Energy Laboratory. See the http://www.novozymes.com/cgi-bin/bvisapi.dll/press/press.jsp?id=28136 lang=enNovozymes press release. New Hampshire Slated to Earn Ethanol Exemption; California Wants In Bucking a national trend, the State of New Hampshire has
