Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
Dan Chisarick wrote: Evil? Immoral? Risky? All of the above. It's called shilling on ebay, and gets you booted'n'banned. Not in favor of it. :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
Not quite. The idea is that no outsider bids on the item. The goal is to get people who have these items to list them when they see the (bogus) selling price, not bilk a poor collector (or wealthy one as the case may be). No one actually pays the 'winning' amount. The only safe way (not shafting someone) I can think of doing this is to list something with a high buy it now and immediately (before the listing hits the searches) have an insider bid on it. Then again, this does raise the perceived value of an item, having the same effect as shilling, so I see your point. Tomas had a similar point. I'll change my ID to 'SN4KE_01L' :) Despite the amount of thought I put into it, I do not plan (nor do I advocate) doing this. Bad idea. Very wrong. Don't do it. Now something that would be more on the level is an ebay want list where people list items they're interested in and how much they're willing to pay. It just seems that the game collecting sites that have 'want lists' don't really seem that effective. Flashing dollar signs seem to be more productive in getting people's attention. Besides, I'd gather that a fair percentage of people who list classic games don't know enough to hit game collector sites, but they do know ebay. On Apr 27, 2004, at 2:56 AM, Jim Leonard wrote: Dan Chisarick wrote: Evil? Immoral? Risky? All of the above. It's called shilling on ebay, and gets you booted'n'banned. Not in favor of it. :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
Dan Chisarick wrote: Not quite. The idea is that no outsider bids on the item. Doesn't matter -- it's still deception to raise the price of an item. Just because *that one auction* doesn't sell at the higher price doesn't mean that others won't. It's artificial price fixing. (slaps Dan on wrist) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
And it goes on every day in a number of industries. :-) Jim Leonard wrote: Dan Chisarick wrote: Not quite. The idea is that no outsider bids on the item. Doesn't matter -- it's still deception to raise the price of an item. Just because *that one auction* doesn't sell at the higher price doesn't mean that others won't. It's artificial price fixing. (slaps Dan on wrist) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
Stephane Racle wrote: And it goes on every day in a number of industries. :-) Yes, but that doesn't mean it has to go on in ours. This mailing list has several prominent people of the software collecting movement as members, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that, if we all acted in unison, we could strongly influence the state of software collecting today. So, (slaps Dan on the wrist again) BTW, if it sounds like I'm mad or harboring something, I'm not. I'm just presenting one side of the debate. Belive me, I have a lot of software that goes for $5 today and would have gone for $40 4-5 years ago... price fixing would help me earn some cash. But I'm not willing to trade my morals and ethics for it :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
I didn't mean to imply that it should, and I'm with you on this. I just thought it was a funny juxtaposition of words: It's artificial price fixing. (slaps Dan on wrist) That is, a lot of white-collar criminals only get a slap on the wrist. Stephane Jim Leonard wrote: Stephane Racle wrote: And it goes on every day in a number of industries. :-) Yes, but that doesn't mean it has to go on in ours. This mailing list has several prominent people of the software collecting movement as members, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that, if we all acted in unison, we could strongly influence the state of software collecting today. So, (slaps Dan on the wrist again) BTW, if it sounds like I'm mad or harboring something, I'm not. I'm just presenting one side of the debate. Belive me, I have a lot of software that goes for $5 today and would have gone for $40 4-5 years ago... price fixing would help me earn some cash. But I'm not willing to trade my morals and ethics for it :) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
HEY--ONLY 1 SLAP-PER-PERCIEVED-IMPROPRIETY! Dan, I understand what you're getting at--not the money aspect of it--just showing that a rare items sells will bring out the others who want to sell. My personal belief is that this works thru patience, and advertising. It happens eventually anyway (look at DRASH!), and will happen for ALL of the things we are hunting for. By advertising, I mean that if you were to put an article or two on the web about the items that you desire, someone will eventually see it, and put it up for sale. Joe From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/04/27 Tue PM 12:15:59 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical? Stephane Racle wrote: And it goes on every day in a number of industries. :-) Yes, but that doesn't mean it has to go on in ours. This mailing list has several prominent people of the software collecting movement as members, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that, if we all acted in unison, we could strongly influence the state of software collecting today. So, (slaps Dan on the wrist again) BTW, if it sounds like I'm mad or harboring something, I'm not. I'm just presenting one side of the debate. Belive me, I have a lot of software that goes for $5 today and would have gone for $40 4-5 years ago... price fixing would help me earn some cash. But I'm not willing to trade my morals and ethics for it :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
Jim Leonard schrieb: Stephane Racle wrote: And it goes on every day in a number of industries. :-) Yes, but that doesn't mean it has to go on in ours. This mailing list has several prominent people of the software collecting movement as members, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that, if we all acted in unison, we could strongly influence the state of software collecting today. I agree. We'd be like, uh, Enron :-) Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Even marginally ethical?
It's certainly unethical, but I must confess I'm lured to the idea. Of course I don't really own anything that would loosely fetch those high prices, and wouldn't afford the items that are dug out by the unaware, so I couldn't do anything but watch you guys build up your collections (or fortunes :). Of course I also feel sorry for a guy who would think he'd be selling his stuff for 10x the actual value he'd get, i.e. And even more so for a poor bastard who might think paying 400 dollars for a game is an investment, even though we artificially inflated the market price. Also, it will certainly bring out the rarities, but it will also create a distorted value on some games you could get for less if you're patient. No free lunches, in the end (or maybe just a snack :) But what explains the increase of french red wine if not a select group of producers who created credentials in order to inflate its price in the market? Taste was relatively the same (at the time, at least. I'm no wine expert). What about cognac and the age classification, with calculated limited supply? What about diamonds, which are as abundant as the ruby? I know it's not the same, but we're all subject to manipulations of groups who dominate production (or, in our case, a large cache of products). Either way, just let me know if you go out and do it. I don't want to be the sucker who pays 400 for a 20 dollar game :) Best regards, Tomas --- Dan Chisarick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leveraging the phenomenon on ebay that one rare item selling for a wad of cash is usually followed by several more just like it, is it a possible strategy to 'sell' highly desirable vintage items amongst ourselves on ebay? We wouldn't actually transfer ownership of the goods, and sure there would be a few bucks in final value fees to pay, but it would generate awareness amongst those who might have other copies to list them for actual sale :) Evil? Immoral? Risky? There's also the risk that somehow someone outside of the um plot (or scam) would accidentally win, and then it would be tricky to get around that. I'm not actually advocating this, its just interesting to think about. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
