Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Karl Kuras wrote: So, many 1st person RPG either a) had advertised multiplayer support but never implemented it (Descent to Undermountain) b) had net support but no lan support (Yserbius) c) have nice LAN support but the RPG elements were completely gone (Legends of Might Magic) I'd say there's something really important missing in the RPG world... :( It's a shame that the first person RPG hasn't found a better presence for those of us who just don't have the time or interest to live in a MMORPG. At least there are still the Bioware 3rd Person games, like Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale which deliver a fairly competent multiplayer lan game... unfortunately they are all just big adventures and don't give you the ability to play small self contained stories which can be played in an afternoon (which was one of the initial promises of Legends of MM) Oh, don't get me started on Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale again! ;) If I _had_ to play a RPG over a LAN it'd rather be Diablo 2... or any fantasy strategy game instead (OT: Just found out that Disciples of the Sacred Lands is a much more interesting strategy game than simply another horribly failed Master of Magic / Heroes of Might Magic clone). Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Disciples is a great game. Disciples II (due out shortly) is on the list of games I'm anxiously waiting for (along with Heroes of Might and Magic IV). The only problem with Disciples was that it never had a large fan base, which meant it was REALLY hard to find people to play online. with HOMM III you can ALWAYS find a game on the zone. I just bought Civ III, by the way.. Hugh -Original Message- From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Karl Kuras wrote: So, many 1st person RPG either a) had advertised multiplayer support but never implemented it (Descent to Undermountain) b) had net support but no lan support (Yserbius) c) have nice LAN support but the RPG elements were completely gone (Legends of Might Magic) I'd say there's something really important missing in the RPG world... :( It's a shame that the first person RPG hasn't found a better presence for those of us who just don't have the time or interest to live in a MMORPG. At least there are still the Bioware 3rd Person games, like Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale which deliver a fairly competent multiplayer lan game... unfortunately they are all just big adventures and don't give you the ability to play small self contained stories which can be played in an afternoon (which was one of the initial promises of Legends of MM) Oh, don't get me started on Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale again! ;) If I _had_ to play a RPG over a LAN it'd rather be Diablo 2... or any fantasy strategy game instead (OT: Just found out that Disciples of the Sacred Lands is a much more interesting strategy game than simply another horribly failed Master of Magic / Heroes of Might Magic clone). Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Ugh, it's been so long since I've played. However, I remember I liked Undead a lot because of their ability to paralyze. That won a lot of battles for me. One thing that impressed me though, was the balance of the game. I had a lot of fun learning to play all the sides...and was eventually equally successful with them all. However, I found Dwarves to be the most difficult. Hugh -Original Message- From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Yes, Disciples has an extremely small fan base. I tried to find any kind of FAQ or similar on the net, to no avail. It is indeded a very interesting game, with the exception of the Jagged Alliance series, I've never seen any game blending the RPG and Strategy types so well. Hugh, what's your favorite people (Empire/Dwarves/Undead/Demons)? And profile (Mage/Guildmaster/Warrior)? Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/11/01 13:01 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: RE: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Disciples is a great game. Disciples II (due out shortly) is on the list of games I'm anxiously waiting for (along with Heroes of Might and Magic IV). The only problem with Disciples was that it never had a large fan base, which meant it was REALLY hard to find people to play online. with HOMM III you can ALWAYS find a game on the zone. I just bought Civ III, by the way.. Hugh -Original Message- From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Karl Kuras wrote: So, many 1st person RPG either a) had advertised multiplayer support but never implemented it (Descent to Undermountain) b) had net support but no lan support (Yserbius) c) have nice LAN support but the RPG elements were completely gone (Legends of Might Magic) I'd say there's something really important missing in the RPG world... :( It's a shame that the first person RPG hasn't found a better presence for those of us who just don't have the time or interest to live in a MMORPG. At least there are still the Bioware 3rd Person games, like Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale which deliver a fairly competent multiplayer lan game... unfortunately they are all just big adventures and don't give you the ability to play small self contained stories which can be played in an afternoon (which was one of the initial promises of Legends of MM) Oh, don't get me started on Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale again! ;) If I _had_ to play a RPG over a LAN it'd rather be Diablo 2... or any fantasy strategy game instead (OT: Just found out that Disciples of the Sacred Lands is a much more interesting strategy game than simply another horribly failed Master of Magic / Heroes of Might Magic clone). Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Oh, what a shame... You see, recently I tried to come up with a good 1st person RPG that had LAN (either by TCP/IP or IPX) support so I could play with my stepson over our home network. There are _no_, I repeat, absolutely _no_ 1st person RPGs with LAN support whatsoever, with the exception of Elder Scrolls: Battlespire, and that one has a severe flaw: no chance of saving the game before you finish one entire level (we took 2 hours to try to finish the first level, and when we were about 80% there, the game crashed on the computer that was playing the server). So, many 1st person RPG either a) had advertised multiplayer support but never implemented it (Descent to Undermountain) b) had net support but no lan support (Yserbius) c) have nice LAN support but the RPG elements were completely gone (Legends of Might Magic) I'd say there's something really important missing in the RPG world... :( Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Karl Kuras [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31/10/01 11:04 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Now I just wonder if those advantages are easy to spot or not. I know that at least chars run slower with plate mail than with leather armor, etc. There are a few minor differences, but the first person perspective does make targeting that much more of a factor that can't be regulated with stats. Trust me... it's really just another squad based FPS with midevil textures... nothing more... here's a review that does a wonderful job of summing it all up: http://pc.ign.com/reviews/14377.html Karl Kuras Visit Our House, the online comic strip! http://ourhouse.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
So, many 1st person RPG either a) had advertised multiplayer support but never implemented it (Descent to Undermountain) b) had net support but no lan support (Yserbius) c) have nice LAN support but the RPG elements were completely gone (Legends of Might Magic) I'd say there's something really important missing in the RPG world... :( It's a shame that the first person RPG hasn't found a better presence for those of us who just don't have the time or interest to live in a MMORPG. At least there are still the Bioware 3rd Person games, like Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale which deliver a fairly competent multiplayer lan game... unfortunately they are all just big adventures and don't give you the ability to play small self contained stories which can be played in an afternoon (which was one of the initial promises of Legends of MM) Karl Kuras Visit Our House, the online comic strip! http://ourhouse.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Actually, this topic reminded me of a similar question, what games are you all looking forward this season/next few months? I've remembered about this because this weekend I've received a CD full of demos of upcoming / already released games (Lightweight Ninja, Legends of Might Magic, Gorasul (german version), Stronghold, Patrician 2, Magic Mayhem art of Magic, Throne of Darkness, Kohan: Ahriman's Gift...) I must admit I found the Lithtech 2.0 engine on Legends of MM very impressive, and Throne of Darkness is a nice action-RPG that shows several differences from Diablo, but the game that really impressed me was Patrician 2. Hats off to Ascaron for such a detailed game with such a nice interface and level of detail. It's been a *long* time since a strategy game has made me forget all the RPGs I have at home calling my name! ;) Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
I must admit I found the Lithtech 2.0 engine on Legends of MM very impressive, If you want to see an impressive use of Lithtech, check out No One Lives Forever... truly the best game of last year. Legends of Migh and Magic didn't take full advantage of the engine and was a terrible game on top of it (don't do what I did and spend good money on that dog aaahhh!) Karl Kuras Visit Our House, the online comic strip http://ourhouse.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
I must admit I found the Lithtech 2.0 engine on Legends of MM very impressive, If you want to see an impressive use of Lithtech, check out No One Lives Forever... truly the best game of last year. Legends of Migh and Magic didn't take full advantage of the engine and was a terrible game on top of it (don't do what I did and spend good money on that dog aaahhh!) I have seen NoLF, seemed like a regular 3d shooter, so I skipped it. Despite the game's hypothetical flaws Legends of Might Magic looked nice, so I'm already imagining what 3do can do with the new version of Lithtech (2.5) for Might Magic 9... Since the demo is too limited, let me ask you: why didn't you like Legends? Is it a simple shooter? Are there no RPG elements in the game? Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
I have seen NoLF, seemed like a regular 3d shooter, so I skipped it. You should give it a try. I'm not normally a 3D shooter fan, they all seem to be the same thing over and over again, but NOLF adds a bunch of nice features, including levels were your objective is sneaking around surveilance cameras without being caught, stealing items, etc. Tons of scripted events and a very solid story. Definetly worth a look. Since the demo is too limited, let me ask you: why didn't you like Legends? Is it a simple shooter? Are there no RPG elements in the game? Legends is basically a low quality version of Counterstrike in a fantasy setting. I bought it because of a preview that touted small story based missions with lots of interaction and a huge overall epic that it all fed into. Seems the developers noticed the success of Counterstrike and simply dumped all other plans for the game. You have rescue the princess missions and the like, but they are just like capturing the flag pretty much. In the end the RPG elements are dressing at best. Very dissapointing. Karl Kuras Visit Our House, the online comic strip http://ourhouse.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Karl Kuras wrote: end the RPG elements are dressing at best. Very dissapointing. That's an understatement. Since any character class can use any weapon (it's a 3D shooter after all), what's the point of being a ranger or a knight? Theves can use bows and arrows, mages can wield swords, etc. What's the point of having character classes at all? -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra)
Although any character class can use any weapon, they have advantages and disadvantages with those weapons, so for example a Paladin is better with a sword than a Sorceress... according to the information on 3do's page, at least. Now I just wonder if those advantages are easy to spot or not. I know that at least chars run slower with plate mail than with leather armor, etc. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/10/01 18:12 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] My curiosity is getting to me... (an OT extra) Karl Kuras wrote: end the RPG elements are dressing at best. Very dissapointing. That's an understatement. Since any character class can use any weapon (it's a 3D shooter after all), what's the point of being a ranger or a knight? Theves can use bows and arrows, mages can wield swords, etc. What's the point of having character classes at all? -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
