t-and-f: The Walks
If you do not care for walks, please delete this message, and please do not email me to tell me you don't like them. Thanks. Ok. I have never really paid much attention to the Walks, however, today after watching the Womens race, what an amazing event/race. How incredibly heart breaking to be 150m away from a gold medal and to be told you are out of the race. That Australian lady must be in such a depression tonight. I must say I have such a new respect for the individuals who compete in the Walks. To labor along for 20 or 50k and have your day ended by a judge in just horrible. However, I have a question for the Walkers on the list. Hopefully, this is not a ridiculous question, but what type of long term effects does the event have on your hips and knees? I cringe watching it, it looks as though a Walkers joints are going to pop. Also, question to MIke Rohl. How did the time Michelle put up in the 20k compare to her seasonal best? At any rate, I have a new found respect for the athletes of the "real red-headed step child event" of track and field. Matt Stohl _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency
>In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to >run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the >IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain >IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the confines >of U.S. law. > >"I propose that WADA take over USA Track & Field's entire doping control >program," Masback wrote. "WADA would administer and conduct our >in-competition and out-of-competition drug testing programs and adjudicate >all cases." > >Under Masback's proposal, WADA would render a final decision to USATF, whose >only role would be to take any disciplinary action. > >There was no immediate response from Pound. ^ ^^^ ^^ ^ ^ Ha! stick it right in his mouth, Craig! Let one of the prime grand-standing speechmakers choke on his own words! I love it... It's about time the whiners are made to put up or shut up... And four years from now, Americans reserve the right to heap tons of abuse on Dick Pound for the sorry state of affairs he has let track & field slip into since Sydney. Randy Treadway
t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Under fire for allegedly suppressing positive drug tests, USA Track & Field proposed that its entire doping control program be handed over to an independent world body. Craig Masback, executive director of USATF, suggested Friday (Thursday night EDT) that the World Anti-Doping Agency handle all in-competition and out-of-competition tests for American athletes and investigate any positive cases. USATF also announced it was forming a special commission to review its drug-testing procedures and address allegations that a number of positive cases have been covered up. Arne Ljungqvist, the anti-doping chief of the International Amateur Athletic Federation, said last week that USATF had withheld information on 12 to 15 positive tests in the past two years. Masback denied any cover-ups, insisting that USATF was bound by American confidentiality laws and rules preventing the disclosure of names of athletes who test positive until due process has run its course. Masback said no U.S. athletes competing in the Sydney Games had failed drug tests. He said the majority of cases still under wraps involved substances for which athletes had medical waivers, others involved cold-medicine products, and the rest were still being investigated. USATF's policies came under intense scrutiny following disclosures this week that shot put world champion C.J. Hunter, husband of sprint star Marion Jones, had failed four drug tests in Europe this summer. The news was confirmed only after leaks in the media. International Olympic Committee officials criticized the U.S. policy and urged USATF to come clean on all test results. White House drug policy director Barry McCaffrey also called for a full, public accounting of the tests. Masback met this week with IOC vice president Dick Pound, who also serves as chairman of the World-Anti-Doping Agency. The body was set up last year to coordinate a global program of out-of-competition testing. "After my meeting with Dick Pound, it was apparent to me that in spite of our best efforts in the doping control area, Mr. Pound and others do not have total confidence in how we have handled doping matters," Masback said in a statement. "USATF has been a pioneer in drug testing and has never covered up a positive test. Our Olympic team is the most-tested group of athletes in history. We believe that WADA control of our anti-doping program will ensure international confidence in the system." In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the confines of U.S. law. "I propose that WADA take over USA Track & Field's entire doping control program," Masback wrote. "WADA would administer and conduct our in-competition and out-of-competition drug testing programs and adjudicate all cases." Under Masback's proposal, WADA would render a final decision to USATF, whose only role would be to take any disciplinary action. There was no immediate response from Pound. Until now, WADA's role has been limited to funding and controlling out-of-competition testing. It has not conducted in-competition testing and has had no role in prosecuting positive cases, leaving that up to the international sports federations Meanwhile, USATF announced the formation of a panel to assess the federation's compliance with anti-doping rules. The commission will be comprised of Micki King, U.S. diving gold medalist at the 1972 Olympics and current Assistant Athletic Director at the University of Kentucky; Curtis H. Barnette, Chairman Emeritus of Bethlehem Steel Corp. and a lawyer in Washington D.C.; and Richard H. McLaren, a law school professor at the University of Western Ontario. McLaren, who has been a long-standing member of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, will chair the panel. Masback also invited Pound to sit on the commission. The review will be completed in 90 days and its findings made public, Masback said.
Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote
And, the key issue, no-one made him return any of his prize money/appearance fees either. Tony Craddock At 04:11 AM 9/29/00 +, Kurt Bray wrote: What's this "let off" stuff? I thought Mitchell was made to serve his suspension. The IAAF made him serve his suspension. The USATF tried to get him let off by supporting his lame, far-fetched excuse, but the IAAF didn't buy it. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote
> >What's this "let off" stuff? I thought Mitchell was >made to serve his suspension. The IAAF made him serve his suspension. The USATF tried to get him let off by supporting his lame, far-fetched excuse, but the IAAF didn't buy it. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Perfection the key to Korzeniowski double
http://www.iaaf.org/oly00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp?Code=2684 Perfection the key to Korzeniowski doubleSWJ for IAAF 29 September 2000 - Coming back to the road after a break of a few days, Poland’s Robert Korzeniowski became the first man in Olympic history to take double gold in the men’s walks here today. Korzeniowski was awarded the gold medal in the men’s 20 kilometre walk just one week ago following the disqualification of the man first over the finishing line, Mexico’s Bernardo Segura. Today there was no contesting Korzeniowski’s domination of the race and his successful defence of the 50 kilometre title he won in Atlanta in 1996. "I have done what I came here to do," said Korzeniowski after winning the event. "I was going to do the 20 kilometre race as a pre-competition lead up to the 50 km; it was only about a month ago that I decided I would go all out and give 100 percent in the 20km." Korzeniowski found victory in Sydney easier than in Atlanta: "Compared to Atlanta, the weather was harder here, but the win was easier here. "In Atlanta we were fighting it out right up to kilometre 45. Here in Sydney I pushed up the pace at 43 kilometre, where the course went up a gradient. I was prepared to make another attempt to break away at 45 kilometres if that hadn’t worked, but no one was able to follow me. "I was really concentrating on being clean and I had only one warning early in the race for bending. "It is funny, it is always the same judge who gives me the same warning in nearly every competition. He is Hungarian and his name is Kovacs. He always gives me a warning when he is on the course. Once that was over and done with I knew that I was OK." What is the secret of Korzeniowski’s success? "I am at the top of my career now. I have matured through all the championships I have competed in," he replies. "I have been trying to manage my season’s well, competing and also taking a break when I need it. In November, for example, I will go and do thalassotherapy for a month to keep my body in shape. "But the mind is just as important as the body. I balance my time between my training, my hobbies, my family and my friends and managing my business. This way I come to every competition wanting to compete. After all this time it is still a pleasure." Korzenioswki also has his word to say about race walking judges. "The best solution is to select them very carefully. It is the only way, until there is some electronic solution that will check for loss of contact. Often in race walking some of the judges judging the competition have not seen a race for a year, something that would be impossible in a sport like football, for example. "This was not the case here, but it is often a real war between the judges and the athletes. "But we must not be afraid of the judges. We must strive for perfection. "After all, we are competing at the highest level and perfection is the name of the game. Of course, the same applies to the judges too!"
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
Given Kenteris and Paraskevi Patoulidou in 1992, the classic line should be changed to "Beware of Greeks bearing slow times." Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Alan Shank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Steven L. Brower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris? >"Steven L. Brower" wrote: > >>Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this >> individual. >> Pr's, past rankings, ect >>In other words, what's the ticket with this? > >Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming >in, and was not among the 10 in T & F News' predictions. I don't know >whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone >named "Kederis." >Cheers, >Alan Shank > >
t-and-f: Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD - Men - Final
For some reason Brian Abshire shows instead of Phillip Dunn . . . I don't know why . . . but the 50KM steeplechase would be a bitch! http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/results/index.asp Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD - Men - Final Friday, September 29, 2000 - 8:00 Pos Athlete Country Mark 1 Korzeniowski Robert POL 3:42:22 2 Fadejevs Aigars LAT 3:43:40 3 Sánchez Joel MEX 3:44:36 (PB) 4 Massana Valentí ESP 3:46:01 5 Matyukhin Nikolay RUS 3:46:37 6 Deakes Nathan AUS 3:47:29 (PB) 7 Rodriguez Miguel Angel MEX 3:48:12 8 Magdziarczyk Roman POL 3:48:17 (PB) 9 Liepins Modris LAT 3:48:36 (SB) 10 Yang Yongjian CHN 3:48:42 (PB) 11 Rakovic Aleksandar YUG 3:49:16 (SB) 12 García Jesús Angel ESP 3:49:31 13 Wang Yinhang CHN 3:50:19 (PB) 14 Langlois Denis FRA 3:52:56 15 Korepanov Sergey KZK 3:53:30 16 Holuša Miloš CZE 3:53:48 (SB) 17 Tichý Peter SVK 3:54:47 18 Barrett Craig NZL 3:55:53 19 Trautmann Mike GER 3:56:19 20 Malík Štefan SVK 3:56:44 (SB) 21 Trautmann Denis GER 3:58:14 22 Clausen Curt USA 3:58:39 23 Korcok Peter SVK 3:58:46 24 Odriozola Mikel ESP 3:59:50 25 Borisov Valeriy KZK 4:01:11 26 Potemin Vladimir RUS 4:02:38 27 Russell Dion AUS 4:02:50 28 Abshire Brian USA 4:03:05 (SB) 29 Caudron Sylvain FRA 4:03:22 30 Zujus Daugvinas LIT 4:06:04 31 Hermann Andrew USA 4:07:18 32 Shelest Alexey UKR 4:07:39 33 Martins Pedro POR 4:08:13 34 Cousins Duane AUS 4:10:43 35 Bruvelis Ugis LAT 4:11:41 36 Imamura Fumio JPN 4:13:28 37 Dudás Gyula HUN 4:17:55 38 Costin Jamie IRL 4:24:22 39 Maddocks Christopher GBR 4:52:12 Spitsyn Valeriy RUS DNF Stamatopoulos Theodoros GRE DNF Di Mezza Arturo ITA DNF Piller René FRA DNF Lipiec Tomasz POL DNF Kastanis Spyros GRE DNF Ihly Robert GER DNF Perricelli Giovanni ITA DNF Brugnetti Ivano ITA DNF Czukor Zoltán HUN DQ Ciumacenco Fedosei MOL DQ Ginko Viktor BLR DQ Kononen Valentin FIN DQ Huerta Arturo CAN DQ Sánchez Germán MEX DQ Berrett Tim CAN DQ Koike Akihiko JPN DQ
Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of race walking
Netters, >From the villiage here... What Costas did. Was in 88. He or rather the producers had some callopy type music played then Costas said :He didn't set a world record, but at least he walked like a man." Now, after that he got a ton of letters and in 92 said "I donb't know haw may racewalkers there are in the U.S. but they sure do write a lot of letters." Then he played a taped tribute. The whispering loudest coment is one said many but the first one i have ever heard it attirbuted to was someone with a last name: Hersh. Honestly don't know which one. The 50k was viloently hot and Koresonoswki is incredible! AOY - no one else can even compare. Two Golds. Defends the undefendable does the undoable double! This rival even a paltry 200-400 double. Back to the villiage. Reports coming soon, now that I can get on a comp.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Yeah, and if Freeman was one of ours, we would have gotten a 7th in the Women's 200 even using the Australian system. But I guess if MG or MJ had flinched at the start there might have been a recall. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'T&F List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > >Scroll down >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >Oh dear USA. > >7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > >I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging >world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > >This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more >competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" >approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is >more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, >indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they >probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the >USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown >away. > >BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the >abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general >US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > >And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, >reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key >moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran >harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced >around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat >remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off >the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really >enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a >little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > >Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > >Justin > > > >** >Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. >If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible >for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy >or deliver this message to anyone. > >In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the >sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer >does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > >Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not >relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its >Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor >endorsed by them. > >Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. >Registered in England. >Registered Number 1935786. >Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. >Telephone 020 7616 3500. >Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >**
Re: t-and-f: Tape Marketing Ploy?
The answer for Athens would be for NBC to offer live coverage on pay-per-view in the daytime ( 7 PM in Athens is Noon in New York) and show the usual evening taped stuff on the Network in the evening. But after the Triplecast disaster they will probably never try pay-per-view again. The problem with Triplecast was how they tried to market it -selling $200 packages of almost all the sports for the entire Olympics. People generally didn't want to make that kind of commitment. If they sold a few big sports individually for $10 or 12 a day they would get an audience and some extra revenue. Especially after all the complaints about taped events this time around. Heck, if they advertised that there would be no "Up Close And Personals, " it would be a cinch. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Margaret & Robert Tatar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: t-and-f: Tape Marketing Ploy? >NBC's track & field coverage makes sense if you think of it as one long >trailer to promote the Olympic Track & Field video that they now are >hawking ($19.95) at NBCOlympics.com. Want uninterrupted action, continuity >and the opportunity to avoid synchronized diving? Break out your credit card. > >Does anyone know what we can expect to see on the video? A repeat of what >we've already seen on T.V.? Or will any extra goodies be added? I really >hope NBC throws in a couple of those commercials that I just can't get >enough of. Just once I'd like to see M.J. do a Power Bar finish line bonk >on that Samsung phone cord finish line he's broken, what, a million times >thus far? > >The pathetic thing about the NBC video is that I'll probably wind up buying >it, even thought I've taped as much T&F coverage as possible. Does NBC put >these out after every Olympics? I seem to remember seeing a NBC '88 T&F >video on sale on eBay a few weeks ago. > >But the really sad thing is that NBC apparently will release the '00 T&F >compilation only on video, still fearing, I guess, losing its grip on its >"digital rights" to the Olympics. But imagine what they could do on >DVD. In addition to every heat, throw and jump, they could include all the >weepers they filmed, and still have room left over for athlete bios, stats >and highlights from the U.S. OT. I frequently rent or buy DVDs of movies >I've already seen at the theater, just to get at the extra goodies >typically added to them. Similar to the director's commentary frequently >added to DVDs as a separate audio track, I'd love to hear John Smith >provide a running analysis of the performance of his athletes. Tons of >possibilities. Too bad we'll have to wait until 2004, if not 2008, before >NBC makes a move to DVD. > >Robert >
t-and-f: Men 50km Walk
http://www.iaaf.org/oly00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/EventReports/getnews.asp?Code=2682 Men 50km Walk Poland's Robert Korzeniowski became the first man in Olympic history to do a walk double, striding home to take the 50km title this morning in 3:42.22, ahead of Aigar Fadejavs of Latvia and Joel Sanchez of Mexico. Korzeniowski has now won three golds - successfully defending the 50km title he won in Atlanta - just days after his victory in a controversial 20km when Mexico's Bernardo Segura was disqualified 11 minutes after he had crossed the line first. But the 32 year-old's triumph today was indisputable, and Korzeniowski also bucked a trend at these Games by actually turning a mid-race lead into gold, his technique holding up well in the latter stages as the searing heat, and fatigue, began to bite. 24 year-old Fadejevs took silver as he moved through in the last 10km to finish with 3:43:40, nearly a minute clear of Sanchez (3:44:36) who set a personal best. The Pole broke away from Sanchez shortly after the three-hour mark after a grim duel in the midday heat just as the race entered its final 10km. With Sydney temperatures touching 30 degrees, Sanchez struggled to match the Pole and once the Pan American champion was shown a warning card by one of the judges, he began to drop back. The defending Olympic champion had hit a groove on the flat loop circuit of Olympic Park, that none of his rivals could match. The gap quickly opened to one minute, and Sanchez found himself being caught by Fadejevs, a European silver medallist at 20km. The leading group was down to eight by halfway, including Korzeniowski, Joel Sanchez and his Mexican team mate German Sanchez, Fadejevs, Spain's Valenti Massana, the bronze medallist four years ago, Nathan Deakes, from Australia, and 1995 world champion Valentin Kononen, of Finland. Until today, only two other men have managed to win more than a single Olympic gold medal in the walks. Italy's Udo Figerio, (3,000m and 10,000m in 1920 and the 10,000 again in 1924) and John Mikaelsson of Sweden (10,000 in 1948 and 1952). Raul Gonzalez of Mexico, got closest to a same Games' double when he won silver in the 20km before striking gold at 50km in 1984.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "A.J. Craddock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock _ At 01:55 PM 9/28/00 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: >Scroll down >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >Oh dear USA. > >7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > >I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging >world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > >This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more >competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" >approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is >more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, >indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they >probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the >USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown >away. > >BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the >abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general >US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > >And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, >reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key >moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran >harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced >around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat >remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off >the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really >enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a >little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > >Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell >(GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. >Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller >(USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > >Justin > > > >** >Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. >If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible >for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy >or deliver this message to anyone. > >In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the >sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer >does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > >Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not >relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its >Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor >endorsed by them. > >Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. >Registered in England. >Registered Number 1935786. >Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. >Telephone 020 7616 3500. >Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >** It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock >> Christ, Craddock, when are you gonna stop this sh*t? Did you even see the race before you jumped to your keyboard to write this post? Capel jerked while in the set position, and the race should've been recalled. For those of you who weren't able to see all the rounds of the 200, Kederis looked very impressive in the second round, and really wasn't a surprise winner. Boldon looked most unimpressive in all the rounds. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m
In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << > > Men's 200m final: > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 What happened to the 19.96 and 19.85 :-) :-) :-) :-) >> Those times were run over two months ago, when Capel and Miller were in top shape. sideshow
t-and-f: Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history
Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history 29 September 2000 Poland's Robert Korzeniowski has won the arduous 50-kilometre walk at the Sydney 2000 Games to become the first man in history to take out the men's Olympic walk double. Korzeniowski's first gold came in the 20km walk on 16 September — the first gold of the Games — which was decided in controversial circumstances. Korzeniowski finished the race in second, but winner Bernardo Segura of Mexico was later disqualified to give the Pole the title. But there was no controversy over the longer distance. Korzeniowski was in superb form, winning in three hours and 42.22 seconds. Latvia's Aigars Fadejevs won the silver, 1.12 behind in 3:43.40. Mexico's Joel Sanchez, the last walker to fight Korzeniowski for the race lead, took bronze in 3:44.36. The Pole kept up a good pace throughout the race, a pace which no other athlete could keep up with. The race took place in hot and humid conditions, making life difficult for the walkers, although Korzeniowski didn't seemed to mind. After crossing the line waved his arms in the air then dropped to the ground to kiss the track. Darren Booth Olympics.com
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:40:09 GMT, you wrote: >I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot >Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. >Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather >was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East >African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". > >Alan Perhaps this formula? Best-of-the-best-of-the-best-European Genetics + chemical aids occasionally (on rare occasions) > mediocre west african genetics on their worst day with no chemical aids Notice Greek results throughout this Games, such as both sprints and throws. Look at who their coaches are, and the extent of out-of-competition testing and the result of tests (and fist-fights with doping flying squads and targeted athletes fleeing to the airport) over the last few years. Draw your own conclusion. My conclusion: Greece and China are the 'East Germany' of the first decade of the 21st Century. RT
Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote
> http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/olympics/misc/2927SPT04b_SP-RANDY.html this article includes this paragraph: -- American sprinter Dennis Mitchell was suspended for an illegal level of testosterone, but let off by U.S. Track and Field after offering up the ``sex and beer'' defence. He said his testosterone levels were inflated because he had sex four times and drank five beers the night before. -- What's this "let off" stuff? I thought Mitchell was made to serve his suspension. The writer of this article obviously has an agenda and is not interested in facts. Only those facts which seem to support his theory of "the story". And any other facts he bends to support his thesis. In other words, the worst kind of journalism. RT
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
write a letter to the ny times and copy some of the sponsors, along with nbc. this is the only way to get some activity. the manner in which they are programming this isn't nearly as bad as the arrogance. they know what they are doing and how most viewers feel, they go ahead and tell you they are doing it and it goes on. the example cited here is one of many, including the sprints and the 10,000. most everyone knew the results of the mens 100m and they still decided to drag the event into the midnight hour. no concern for the kids who might be interested or anyone else. the same for the 400m... a disgrace.
Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
> About 1:30 or 2:00 AM > > > >I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, > >_hoping_ that I could finally watch what was > >supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave > >up and went to bed. > >Does anyone know what time it was on? > > That's sad .. I waited up all night to see a marquee race that I never saw .. Sort of puts the capper on NBC's coverage .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: 200
Out of town and away from computer all day ... What do you make of the men's 200 ?? Am trying to wait til I SEE it to start making comments .. And did you see Devers race last night .. Surprised there are no posts talking about her "muscle pull" .. That was the lamest thing I ever saw .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Sorry the tape is gone.
The tape of the 10,000m and the 5,000m has been given away. Sorry to everyone who emailed and didn't get it. Matt Stohl _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Ancient Olympics
>Weren't the ancient Olympics shut down by the Emperor because of cheating >and >corruption? Partly, but mostly the Emperor Theodosius shut down the ancient games because they were a pagan religious festival (dedicated to Zeus), and he was a devout and intolerant Christian. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!)
Thanks a lot for the useful and interesting information, however the final paragraph was quite out of place. I don't think Michael Johnson and Flo-Jo belong in the same league- not nearly. Good luck. ___ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Panayotis ChristopoulosSent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 PMTo: tf listSubject: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!) Dear friends, I have read all the messages on Kenteris and the 200 m. race and I use this victory as an oppoprtunity to post some thoughts. But first I'll give you some details on the Greek champion. He was born in 1973 in a an island close to the Turkish coast, Mitilini. He was considered a talent since he was a junior. His career highlights, as Michalis Nikitarides has already posted: 1st 400 m. Mediterranean Games '93 1st 400 m. World School Champs '90 6th 200 m. World Juniors Champs '92 4th 400 m. Euro Juniors Champs '91 4th 400 m. Under 23 Euro Champs '93 5th 200 m. Indoors Euro Champs '2000 NRs in 400 m. (until few weeks ago) and 200 m. (20" 25. before Sydney) He was quite unlucky having many injuries over the last years and never managed to fulfill his capabilites as shown when he was a junior. This year he moved from Salonica to Athens, and from Saraslamides (Patoulidou's coach) to Tzekos (Thanou's coach) and decided to devote himself only to 200 m. and forget all about 400 m. About the race: We knew from the beginning that there was no big favourite for this race. Greene and Johnson were out, Boldon is a well known loser (and whoever betted his money on him is a loser, too), Obadele Thompson is an eternal 4th (congrads on the bronze medal -at last!!!), the three remaining Americans were the grand dad Heard, who could not possibly run another sub 20" race this year, Coby(who?) Miller and an ex-football player, named John Capel. I mean, with this field wasn't it a great chance for anybody else to win? Anyone who had the basic abilities to run at about 20" 10. could win this race, no matter who big a name he had. Darren Campbell also came to Sydney with a very slow PB compared to the others. However, both Kenteris and Campbell entered the track as outsiders but wioth a great potential to win, because they knew they were not worse than Boldon or the Americans. To show you that I really believed it was an open race from the beginning, I bet Kenteris for 51 times my money, even before the Semis... After the Semis, I was pretty sure about the gold (seeing his excellent race) and that my money were at a good place. The only thing that scared me was John Capel, having ran a 20" 10., however it has been a lot of times to see a great runner at the semis and prelims, doing nothing at the final, where psychology matters. On the drug issue: Ok, blame Kenteris and Campbell for making a great surprise, and blame them for drugs if you like. I am sure that Flo -Jo wasn't using drugs, running men's times. Now she's dead. And MJ's 19" 32. was not done on drugs. He did it just drinking his mother's milk. And it will never fall as a WR. Marion Jones also is married to a confirmed drug user (although he himself was unaware of how drugs were found in his blood) but she has never seen drugs in her life and she's crystal clear like water. I personaly believe that in this level of competition no athlete eats his mama's food. They feed only on pills and injections... If you have any doubt on that, take a look at everybody's 0% fat bodies, their jaws, thin tissues, six packs where you can play the piano easily, teeth bracelets, pimples on grown women's faces. And finally, stop hiding behind your fingers. PANAYOTIS CHRISTOPOULOS -The Athletix Site (www.athletix.gr) P.S. Ben Johnson was the greatest sprinter of all times. He was running sub 9" 8 12 years ago and he's still alive, too!
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED
W 400 R first round PAGE DOWN In heat 4 USA ran Gaines, Edwards, Perry and Richardson, won in 42.92. Russia 43.15, Nigeria 43.28 Interesting - saving Marion's legs vs. getting the passing practice they need. Other teams: Jamaica - Lawrence, Campbell, McDonal, Frazer Bahamas - Clarke-Lewis, Sturrup, Davies-Thompson, Fines
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay
PAGE DOWN In the opening round, USA ran Brokenburr, Montgomery, Lewis and Greene. They ran 38.15 to won their heat. Other heat winners were: CIV 39.06 BRA 38.32 FRA 39.00 CUB 38.74 Italy, Nigeria, Jamaica, Australia, Japan and Poland also broke 39. Russia dnq with 39.29. Ghana dnf In women's 400m R, USA results not yet up. In heat 1, Australia dnf. In heat 2, Jamaica 42.46, Germany 42.82, UK dnq. In heat 3, Bahamas 42.58. More later. Cheers, Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY
WAY WAY WAY too logical Rich...back to the original point, a)young up and comers at age 22, 23, 24 need to commit to racing the marathon rather than waiting until they are slow and old and b) we as a group ran better back then because we trained our asses off and didn't know crapola about physiology nor were we pulled by the local yokel 5 mile dash for cash...it didn't exist -Mike - Original Message - From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mike fanelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: T&FMail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY > Mike, one problem--there weren't many sub 28:20 guys to move up to the > marathon in the early 90s! Look at how slow the 10k people were in the 92 > and 96 Trials!(And I didn't see Pat Porter (an excellent candidate for > marathoning) running much on the roads.) They just weren't around. That's > my point. > > I don't think you can attribute this lack of talent to road racing. If you > look at the collegiate markes, which are largely untainted by road racing > opportunities, the marks in the late 80s thru mid 90s were > miserable! Nothing at the top end, and no depth in the 5 or 10k. Bottom > line: the US had little talent to spare for marathoning during that period. > > If you could run sub 28:20, you could do quite well in the US without > moving up to the marathon during that period, so why bother. In the early > 1980s, when we had hot marathoners, you needed to think you could run sub > 28 to even have a shot at an international team. So sub 28:20 meant it was > time to move up back then. Maybe we're starting to arrive back at that > point again. Then we'll see those guys moving up to the marathon again. > > Richard McCann > > At 06:55 PM 9/27/2000 -0700, mike fanelli wrote: > >While I appreciate the input, Brad Hudson is not a particularly good > >example...we're talking about athletes who are in the 28:20 (or better) > >range over 10,000 meters moving up sooner rather than later...during the > >,'90s, these guys typically moved on to the weekly road circuit, racing up > >to 10 or so miles in order to make $250-$2000...road whores with no true > >sense of purpose... let's take 10 guys who've run sub 28:20 and are under 26 > >years old and send then to USOC training Center in Chula Vista and work with > >them and their coaches toward a marathon effort as part of a specific > >racing/training cycle...betcha we get some results. (good ones) > > > > > >-Mike >
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris
No it was not Kenteris. - Original Message - From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris > Please tell me that Kenteris was not one of those Greek sprinters who fled > when the dope testers showed up in that incident a year or two ago. > > I'd like to keep at least a few illusions alive, so it would be great if > Kenteris was not one of those guys. > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!)
Dear friends, I have read all the messages on Kenteris and the 200 m. race and I use this victory as an oppoprtunity to post some thoughts. But first I'll give you some details on the Greek champion. He was born in 1973 in a an island close to the Turkish coast, Mitilini. He was considered a talent since he was a junior. His career highlights, as Michalis Nikitarides has already posted: 1st 400 m. Mediterranean Games '93 1st 400 m. World School Champs '90 6th 200 m. World Juniors Champs '92 4th 400 m. Euro Juniors Champs '91 4th 400 m. Under 23 Euro Champs '93 5th 200 m. Indoors Euro Champs '2000 NRs in 400 m. (until few weeks ago) and 200 m. (20" 25. before Sydney) He was quite unlucky having many injuries over the last years and never managed to fulfill his capabilites as shown when he was a junior. This year he moved from Salonica to Athens, and from Saraslamides (Patoulidou's coach) to Tzekos (Thanou's coach) and decided to devote himself only to 200 m. and forget all about 400 m. About the race: We knew from the beginning that there was no big favourite for this race. Greene and Johnson were out, Boldon is a well known loser (and whoever betted his money on him is a loser, too), Obadele Thompson is an eternal 4th (congrads on the bronze medal -at last!!!), the three remaining Americans were the grand dad Heard, who could not possibly run another sub 20" race this year, Coby(who?) Miller and an ex-football player, named John Capel. I mean, with this field wasn't it a great chance for anybody else to win? Anyone who had the basic abilities to run at about 20" 10. could win this race, no matter who big a name he had. Darren Campbell also came to Sydney with a very slow PB compared to the others. However, both Kenteris and Campbell entered the track as outsiders but wioth a great potential to win, because they knew they were not worse than Boldon or the Americans. To show you that I really believed it was an open race from the beginning, I bet Kenteris for 51 times my money, even before the Semis... After the Semis, I was pretty sure about the gold (seeing his excellent race) and that my money were at a good place. The only thing that scared me was John Capel, having ran a 20" 10., however it has been a lot of times to see a great runner at the semis and prelims, doing nothing at the final, where psychology matters. On the drug issue: Ok, blame Kenteris and Campbell for making a great surprise, and blame them for drugs if you like. I am sure that Flo -Jo wasn't using drugs, running men's times. Now she's dead. And MJ's 19" 32. was not done on drugs. He did it just drinking his mother's milk. And it will never fall as a WR. Marion Jones also is married to a confirmed drug user (although he himself was unaware of how drugs were found in his blood) but she has never seen drugs in her life and she's crystal clear like water. I personaly believe that in this level of competition no athlete eats his mama's food. They feed only on pills and injections... If you have any doubt on that, take a look at everybody's 0% fat bodies, their jaws, thin tissues, six packs where you can play the piano easily, teeth bracelets, pimples on grown women's faces. And finally, stop hiding behind your fingers. PANAYOTIS CHRISTOPOULOS -The Athletix Site (www.athletix.gr) P.S. Ben Johnson was the greatest sprinter of all times. He was running sub 9" 8 12 years ago and he's still alive, too!
t-and-f: CBC Suspends Olympics Coverage
Because of the death of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, the CBC is presently airing uninterrupted news and reactions to his passing. They say they'll be resuming Olympics coverage "sometime in the evening." They've been on this story since just before 6pm EDT on Thursday. Jim Bendat _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
--- Alan Shank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not necessarily. Michael Johnson and Marion Jones were both "beaten" in > prelim races. Many athletes have the attitude that the goal is to advance > safely while conserving as much energy as possible. There have been many > instances of athletes foolishly wasting energy on unnecessary sprint > finishes in the rounds, only to run slower in the final. True. I was referring to Lewis Johnson's comments about Capel and his coach saying he nearly screwed up in the first round (which I did not see) by taking it too casually, or something to that effect. Still, half the field in any given prelim is probably running for a PR. > We are so used to these championship events being held in hot-weather > sites, great for the sprints but terrible for the distances. Yeah, but we often see better performances with less at stake in worse conditions in Oregon. The guys were easing up for times in the semis that would have won the final, and the wind numbers don't look all that significant. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,400 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: this just in....
>From theonion.com: News In Brief IOC: Many Viewers May Be Using Olympics-Enhancing Drugs SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA--The International Olympic Committee announced Monday that it will launch a full-scale investigation in the wake of allegations of Olympics-enhancing drug use by viewers. "We have reason to suspect that as many as 18 million U.S. viewers are artificially increasing their ability to sit through the Sydney Games with illegal substances, particularly marijuana," IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch said. "These drugs enable viewers to watch NBC Olympic coverage beyond the limits of normal human endurance." Interest-boosting doping, Samaranch said, is particularly rampant among viewers of archery, men's handball, and women's sailing. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: News Article
http://www.olympics.smh.com.au/news/2000/09/28/FFXIT2IJNDC.html Enjoy. Schiefer http://tnfmedia.rivals.com
RE: t-and-f: Mens and Women's 200
Not true for the women's race either (Zhana Tarnapolskaya-Block, previous world champion). ___--- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Philip Weishaar Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:32 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: Mens and Womens 200 Don't know if NBC will say this but CBC said after the womens final, all competitors ran either a personal best, season best, or national record. The mens race was obviously not the case. No one ran under 20 sec anytime during the event. (When was the last Olympics for that?)
t-and-f: tolerance of swimming polls - and of track lengths...
But a 5000m run, 12.5 laps around a 400m track that has its own tolerance, is now subject to WR improvements by 0.01 (which is exactly what happened when Said Aouita first broke Moorcroft's WR of 13:00.42 minutes) - why, then, did IAAF increase the 0.01 measurement range for every distance on the track? ..because that would increase the number of WR broken, apparently. And if a dead heat occurred they'll still separate it by thousandths of a second. Different international federations have different policies. ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurt Bray Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED >(Remember the tie in the 50m free in swimming? They only time to the >100th now, ignoring thousandths. If they did that in track, we'd have >lots of ties, and Oba would have a bronze medal.) They used to time to thousandths in swimming until it was pointed out to them that, at swimming speeds, 1/1000th of a second does not represent very much distance. In fact it was less than the tolerance to which they could construct pools. Thus, one swimmer's lane could be several thousandths of a second shorter or longer than another's and hence timing to 1/1000ths was meaningless and unfair. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
- Original Message - From: alan tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot > Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. > Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather > was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East > African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Regardless of whether Mr. Entine was right or wrong, one swallow does not a summer make ...
Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY
Mike, one problem--there weren't many sub 28:20 guys to move up to the marathon in the early 90s! Look at how slow the 10k people were in the 92 and 96 Trials!(And I didn't see Pat Porter (an excellent candidate for marathoning) running much on the roads.) They just weren't around. That's my point. I don't think you can attribute this lack of talent to road racing. If you look at the collegiate markes, which are largely untainted by road racing opportunities, the marks in the late 80s thru mid 90s were miserable! Nothing at the top end, and no depth in the 5 or 10k. Bottom line: the US had little talent to spare for marathoning during that period. If you could run sub 28:20, you could do quite well in the US without moving up to the marathon during that period, so why bother. In the early 1980s, when we had hot marathoners, you needed to think you could run sub 28 to even have a shot at an international team. So sub 28:20 meant it was time to move up back then. Maybe we're starting to arrive back at that point again. Then we'll see those guys moving up to the marathon again. Richard McCann At 06:55 PM 9/27/2000 -0700, mike fanelli wrote: >While I appreciate the input, Brad Hudson is not a particularly good >example...we're talking about athletes who are in the 28:20 (or better) >range over 10,000 meters moving up sooner rather than later...during the >,'90s, these guys typically moved on to the weekly road circuit, racing up >to 10 or so miles in order to make $250-$2000...road whores with no true >sense of purpose... let's take 10 guys who've run sub 28:20 and are under 26 >years old and send then to USOC training Center in Chula Vista and work with >them and their coaches toward a marathon effort as part of a specific >racing/training cycle...betcha we get some results. (good ones) > > >-Mike
t-and-f: Men's 200m and Jon Entine
To play devil's advocate in Entine's defense, his argument has always been about *performance* not placings. Where does 20.09 fit in in the greater scheme of things? If he runs under 20.00 then the case against Entine is a little stronger, if he breaks 19.90 then it really is. That said, I've always thought that since there has to be a wall on the right end of the curve (absolute human performance) it is not that some groups cannot ever produce an individual that will get there, it is just far more unlikely. Whereas West Africans might be consistantly putting people close to that level, Greeks might have an outlier of similar ability every few generations. Paul On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, alan tobin wrote: > I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot > Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. > Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather > was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East > African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". > > Alan > > > >From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Justin Clouder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'T&F List'" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:54:54 -0700 > > > >Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again > >win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! > > > >malmo!TM > >Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder > > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM > > > To: 'T&F List' > > > Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > > > > > > > > > > > > Scroll down > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Oh dear USA. > > > > > > 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > > > > > > I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without > > > the reiging > > > world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > > > > > > This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more > > > competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal > >chance" > > > approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus > > > interest, what is > > > more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of > > > the games, > > > indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they > > > probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power > > > event for the > > > USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown > > > away. > > > > > > BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the > > > abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general > > > US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > > > > > > And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, > > > reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key > > > moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran > > > harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then > >pranced > > > around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat > > > remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging > > > right off > > > the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I > >really > > > enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a > > > little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > > > > > > Men's 200m final: > > > > > > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > > > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > > > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > > > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > > > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > > > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > > > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > > > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > > > If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible > > > for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy > > > or deliver this message to anyone. > > > > > > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the > > > sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer > > > does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > > > > > > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not > > > relate to the offi
t-and-f: 5,000m women and 10,000men finals on video tape
If anyone is interested I recorded the women's 5k and men's 10k from the Mexican television station. It contains pretty much the entire women's race (with a few commercials) and most of the men's 10k (first few laps, commercial, next couple of laps, commercial, and probably the last three or four laps). It is from a live broadcast. The tape is unedited and in Spanish, but shows two great races. I am selling this on E-bay for $50. JUST KIDDING! Actually, if anyone is interested, you can have this tape for the cost of postage and a video tape. I am a student so I only want to recover my costs of postage and the video tape itself (I am too broke to send it out on my own dime). I only have one copy and I do not want to have to make numerous copies. Therefore, first person to email me and say "Screw NBC and their coverage," the tape is yours. Matt Stohl _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Ancient Olympics
Weren't the ancient Olympics shut down by the Emperor because of cheating and corruption?
t-and-f: Mens and Womens 200
Don't know if NBC will say this but CBC said after the womens final, all competitors ran either a personal best, season best, or national record. The mens race was obviously not the case. No one ran under 20 sec anytime during the event. (When was the last Olympics for that?)
t-and-f: Jim Dunaway Piece on the IAAF Website
The usual scrolldown for anybody who's still left out there, unenlightened... This is inside the IAAF website at... http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/News/index.asp?Filename=latest.asp?Kind=4 Click on the Men's 200m final story. The Dunaway line I like is: "Tonight's race marked the first time a Greek man has won an Olympic sprint championship in nearly two millennia." Sounds like an opening to a pretty pretty tough trivia question. Chris Kuykendall Austin, Texas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
To paraphrase an old joke: "Do you want to believe me, or your own lying eyes?" Tony Craddock _ At 02:28 PM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 9/28/00 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock >> While I respect your right to your opinion how can you possibly be interested in a sport in which you suspect everything that doesn't go by the book to be of a sinister nature? Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris
Please tell me that Kenteris was not one of those Greek sprinters who fled when the dope testers showed up in that incident a year or two ago. I'd like to keep at least a few illusions alive, so it would be great if Kenteris was not one of those guys. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris - simply a misleading spelling of Konstantin Kederis, the new Olympic champion
Dear friends: The "mystery" is no mystery at all! "it's Greek to me"- but I happen to be familiar with the Greek alphabet and pronunciation and I'll herewith clear it up. The combination "nt" is used for "D" in Greek. More precisely : the letters are "ni" and "theta". A similar combination popular in Greek is one composed of "Mi" (pronounced slightly as "meuw") and "Pi" - it stands for "B". For example: those of you who remember the excellent hammer throw Babaniotis during the 1970s- the spelling of his name would appear - even to those familiar with Greek letters - as "Mpampaniotis". So, indeed, KEDERIS is simply the accurate pronunciation of what was given as "Kenteris", by someone (possibly Greek!) who transcribed the name letter by letter, instead of providing a spelling taht would result in correct spelling! In short: KEDERIS with 20.25 seconds, included in T&F News predictions, is, indeed, our new Olympic champion. [As an aside: If you ever happen to visit Athens when Henrik Ibsen's classic play, HEDA GEBLER, is shown in a theatre, you'll find that the spelling of her name in Greek is the equivalent of "Enta Gkempler" in Latin letters!] Yours, Uri Goldbourt (an Israeli- neighbour of Greece...) ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Shank Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:54 AM To: Steven L. Brower Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris? "Steven L. Brower" wrote: >Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this > individual. > Pr's, past rankings, ect >In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in T & F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED
>(Remember the tie in the 50m free in swimming? They only time to the >100th now, ignoring thousandths. If they did that in track, we'd have >lots of ties, and Oba would have a bronze medal.) They used to time to thousandths in swimming until it was pointed out to them that, at swimming speeds, 1/1000th of a second does not represent very much distance. In fact it was less than the tolerance to which they could construct pools. Thus, one swimmer's lane could be several thousandths of a second shorter or longer than another's and hence timing to 1/1000ths was meaningless and unfair. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
In a message dated 9/28/00 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock >> While I respect your right to your opinion how can you possibly be interested in a sport in which you suspect everything that doesn't go by the book to be of a sinister nature? Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
as far as I remember, NBC has showed all qualifying heats and semis of the womens 1500. both were in the morning slot (10:00-12:00 EST). usually (well, sometimes) right before a new slot begins the commentator will say what things they will show. that;'s the only way I knew to tape the AM session with the mens 10k/womens 5k. btw, in both races they showed the first few laps then the last three. I remember staying up until 1:30 during Atlanta to catch the mens 5k, they showed the first two or three laps then the last four. I have no doubt they will show no more than this for the mens 5k, though I wish they would, this will be a good race. Joel [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote: > I concur with the comments below -- Morceli's losing race would have been > reason enough to be seen, even if no American were in it. > > I taped the late night show and watched the 800 this morning. No comment > on the air about what I guess was a disqualification. > > I really am coming to resent the coverage: I missed the women's 1500 > heats which were presumably shown during the day and did not think to tape > the 10K which I understand was on the late night session a couple of days > ago. I feel that having no idea what is going to shown when shows a real > disregard to the true fans. I look forward to hearing about what is on > the video. > > Another problem with having it shown at different times in different time > zones is that after an event, I like to be able to call and share comments > with my brother who is three time zones away from me. That is gone now. > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Joel Tetreault wrote: > > > > > actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was > > in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped > > it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him > > eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli > > but over the past five years I've learned not to get my hopes up. > >
t-and-f: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info.
Title: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info. Trackies, Capel just got left in the blocks. The coverage I saw on CBC showed he was at least 2 steps behind everybody else. He appeared to move just before the gun went off, and I was expecting a false start. He then froze in the blocks until all the others were at least one step out. He did catchup somewhat, but the deficit was just too great. I dont' know much about Capel's arrogance, outside of his little tongue wagging after yesterday's second round, but did you check out the reaction times... Konstadinos -- .163 Campbell - .174 Boldon - .163 Capel - .348 ! ...Harry Welten, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ESN 395-4943 / 613-765-4943.
Re: t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris
- Original Message - From: Wilmar K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Steven L. Brower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris > There is a story on Kenteris (as it is spelled there) at > http://www.athletix.gr (even they seem surprised) Yes! Althought we were waiting the medal, we weren't so sure that we' ld have to welcome a gold. As we mention in the previous message to the list, Kenteris was considered here as a medal hope, although we weren't so daring to talk clearly about it. In 18th September, after the withdrawal of Fredericks, we thought to write on our Sydney's page that Kenteris will run for a medal. But, after the second thought we decided to use a more neutral phrase: "Although there is not action these days, the athletics news are still dominated by new major withdrawls. Frankie Fredericks, speaking in a press conference yesterday afternoon, announced his decision to withdraw, because of the achilles problem he has. Now three of the stronger favourites of the 200 m. race - Johnson, Greene and Fredericks - are out, leaving the ground to Bolton, the younger Americans, Obikwelu, or even an unexpected medallist ." Michalis Nikitaridis, Panayotis Christopoulos http://www.athletix.gr
t-and-f: looking for Track Technique
Does anyone have the 1988 Volume of Track Technique.. If so please drop me a line privately. Thanks, Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris
Constantinos Kenteris (the correct spelling is Kenteris and not Kederis of course) went to Sydney with a personal best at 20" 25. which was a National Record for Greece untill yesterday. Kenteris' great capabilities were known in Greece since he was 16 years old. However the luck had turned his back to him for so many years, ad he had to face with injuries and health problems for more than 4 years. Last winter he changed his event to 200 m. after many years as a 400 m. runner. This decision accompanied by the change of the coach, as Kenteris left Ploutarhos Saraslanidis (the former coach of Voula Patoulidou) to join Christos Tzekos' team (the coach of Katerina Thanou and former world indoor champion Charris Papadias). Besides the 200 m. national record, Kenteris set a personal best at 100 m. this year (10" 16) while he had been the national recond holder of 400 m. with 45" 90. until few weeks ago. He also set a 20" 80i last February, while he was 5th in the last European Indoors Champs. After his performance in Gateshead (European Cup) last June, Kenteris was considered by Greek media and athletics' coaches as a candidate for the Olympic's final. The absence of Johnson and Greene obviously left the ground for something better. Kenteris had been a never confessed greek olympic hope for the last months. More from http://www.athletix.gr or http://www.eexi.gr/athletix/ Born in 1973 (June 11) Personal bests: 200 m.: 20" 25 (NR) - 100 m. 10" 16. - 400 m.: 45" 60. - Season's Bests: 20" 25 - 10" 16 2000 European Indoor Championships: 5th 1998 World Cup: 7th 1993 Mediterranean Champion 1993 European 20-22 Championships : 4th 1991 European Juniors Championships : 4th Michalis Nikitaridis - Panayotis Christopoulos
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED
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W HJ qual
13 over 1.94 (6' 4 1/4")
non-q Quintero (CUB) (WC in 19??) 1.92, Lapina (RUS) 1.92, Erin Aldrich
(USA) 1.85, Haugland 1.89, Kuptsova (RUS) 1.85, Amy Acuff 1.80 (missed
at 1.85 6' 3/4")
Pantelimon of Romania had an interesting progression:
1.80 o
1.85 x x o
1.89 x o
1.92 o
1.94 x x o
DEC - Huffins, despite running a good-for-him 15, lost 60 points to Nool
and 65 to Seblre. Nool, as we know, had 3 fouls in the DT, but the last
was reversed on appeal. Pappas was 5th, Dvorak 6th.
M LF FINAL
Well, Taurima got the last laugh, as only Dwight Phillips made the
final, finishing 8th, and Taurima got silver, only losing the gold in
the last round to Pedroso's comethrough 8.55 (28' 1/2") jump. Pedros
took the lead at 8.34 in round 2, Taurima tied him in 3 but led on 2nd
jump, Pedroso went 8.41, Taurima 8.40 in round 4, Taurima 8.49 in round
5. I guess Taurima must have been jumping last, since he led after 3
rounds, or don't they do that in the Olympics? If he was last, he still
had a shot after Pedroso's 8.55, and jumped 8.28 (27' 1 3/4").
W 1500 semis qual 5 + 2
race 1
5 finished 4:05.24 - .78 Marla Runyan 6th in 4:06.14 q
Crowley (AUS) and Rogachova (RUS) dnq
race 2
no q
5 in 4:06.60 - 07.65
Ouaziz, 4:09.11, Clarke 4:10.99, Weyerman ("The Wrestler") 4:30.80 dnq.
The gold medalist should come from among Suzy, Szekely, Szabo, Holmes,
Sacramento, Dulecha or Merah-Benida.
W 200
Marion's margin was .43, relatively not as large as in the 100, but
still pretty awesome. Torri Edwards and Nanceen Perry finished 6th and
8th in the second semi, both over 23 seconds. Cathy Freeman finished 7th
in the final with a creditable 22.53; she had a 22.62 on the list coming
in (marks as of 8/23).
M 200
Capel had a .348 reaction time .185 slower than Boldon), but finished
.29s out of the medals. Obadele Thompson shared the same time as Boldon.
(Remember the tie in the 50m free in swimming? They only time to the
100th now, ignoring thousandths. If they did that in track, we'd have
lots of ties, and Oba would have a bronze medal.) Billy Obikwelu, who
ran that great semi in last year's (?) WC, dnq in semi I, 20.71, and
Heard was 8th in semi II in 20.63.
W SP FINAL
Only one throw over 20m (65' 7 1/4") in the entire competition, more
than half the field couldn't reach 19m (62' 4") and the last 4 didn't
even reach 18m (59' 1/2")! Korolchik took the lead in round 1, lost it
to Peleshenko in round 2, with Kumbermuss 3rd. List-leader Krivelova
came within 1 centimeter of Kumbernuss in round 5. Korolchik got her
winner (20.56 - 67' 5 1/4")in the last round. Here again, I'm not sure
whether they swith the order after the first 3 rounds, but, if so,
Peleshenko had the last throw, and it was 19.60, about a meter short.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
It is Kederis, without an "n". He was 99 Greek champ in 200/400 -- 20.60 and 45.82. Ran a 20.50/45.66 in 99. Not sure what his PR going into Sydney was, but he did improve throughout the rounds in Sydney. His 20.09 in the final is a Greek Record. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track & Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Alan Shank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Steven L. Brower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris? >"Steven L. Brower" wrote: > >>Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this >> individual. >> Pr's, past rankings, ect >>In other words, what's the ticket with this? > >Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming >in, and was not among the 10 in T & F News' predictions. I don't know >whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone >named "Kederis." >Cheers, >Alan Shank > > >
t-and-f: Startlist - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ERROR!!!
>From www.iaaf.org Startlist - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD Men - Final Friday, September 29, 2000 - 8:00 Order AthleteCountry 1 Clausen CurtUSA 29 Hermann AndrewUSA 46 Abshire BrianUSA Interesting . . . should be Phillip Dunn - I hope Brian is not too disappointed!
t-and-f: The relays start today!
Today they start the relays, so we'll find out who's running where for whom. The participants page on the Sydney2000 site lists: W 4X100 Devers, Edwards, Gaines, Shakedia Jones, Perry, Richardson. Huh? Shakedia Jones? Now, that would be a twist, wouldn't it? What if the USOC entered Shakedia instead of Marion, and Marion could not compete? However, the story says Marion will anchor, but that was from September 14. W 4X400 Andrea Anderson, Mikele Barber, Colander-Richardson, Collins, Henderson and Hennagan. These must not be official, right? Where are Jearl and Marion? I read somewhere that Henderson would not be used. M 4X100 Brokenburr, Drummond, Greene, Lewis, Montgomery, Williams M 4X400 Alvin, Calvin, Hooker, McCray, Pettigrew and Young. Well, I guess we have to disregard these participant lists entirely. In the M 4X4, there are three rounds at 13:00 local, with 5 heats qualifying 3 + 1 to the semis at 21:30 local. The women have just semis and final. The Web site has start lists, but they just list countries, not runners, so we'll just have to wait and see. Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: Athletes inspired by Holmes' place
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight PAULA RADCLIFFE summed up the mood in the British camp by citing the effect Kelly Holmes' courageous bronze medal is having on her team-mates. While Denise Lewis and Jonathan Edwards have won gold here, it seems that Holmes' run in Monday night's 800 metres is proving a more powerful influence. Holmes came to Sydney with little or no form behind her after months spent battling a series of appalling leg injuries. She won the trials but could not achieve the qualifying time, and there were questions over her selection. Yet on Monday she produced her second-quickest time ever to finish third behind Maria Mutola, of Mozambique and Austria's Steffi Graf. Like Holmes and so many of the British team, Radcliffe's preparations for Sydney were also hit by injury. She said: "The team have been doing brilliantly but the outstanding performance so far has to be Kelly's. "I had treatment with the same physiotherapist as Kelly and I know what she has been through in trying to get fit for these Games. Her confidence has been boosted by what she did in the 800m and it has rubbed off on the rest of us. "Other than Kelly, I thought Donna Fraser was outstanding and so was Katharine Merry. When someone goes out and does something special, you think 'I want a piece of that'. "I remember athletes going to the World Championships in 1997 just to get treatment from the physios on the team. Now, with Lottery funding, the support available is wonderful." Radcliffe, the British women's team captain, qualified easily for Saturday's 10,000m final, virtually jogging round to finish sixth in her heat. Holmes, meanwhile, underlined her new-found form by cruising through her heat of the 1500m in 4min 10.38sec to go through into today's semi-finals. John Mayock, a qualifier for the men's 1500m final, also quoted Holmes as an inspiration. "What Kelly did was amazing and I want to do the same," he said. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
I concur with the comments below -- Morceli's losing race would have been reason enough to be seen, even if no American were in it. I taped the late night show and watched the 800 this morning. No comment on the air about what I guess was a disqualification. I really am coming to resent the coverage: I missed the women's 1500 heats which were presumably shown during the day and did not think to tape the 10K which I understand was on the late night session a couple of days ago. I feel that having no idea what is going to shown when shows a real disregard to the true fans. I look forward to hearing about what is on the video. Another problem with having it shown at different times in different time zones is that after an event, I like to be able to call and share comments with my brother who is three time zones away from me. That is gone now. On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Joel Tetreault wrote: > > actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was > in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped > it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him > eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli > but over the past five years I've learned not to get my hopes up.
t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris - SPOILER
Interesting to see that he was 6th in the 1992 World Juniors. That race was won by Boldon, with Campbell second (same 1-2 in the 100m). This is the first time Campbell has ever beaten Boldon in a championship. I wonder if Malcolm is in contention for a relay spot, especially since Devonish is now injured and Gardener not running well. Assuming Chambers and Campbell are certainties, the other two spots seem open. I doubt the Brits can beat the US unless the first three US guys really mess up. How much do we reckon Greene could make up over Campbell or Chambers on the last leg? A bit, for sure, but probably not enough for the first three Americans to run below their best. Should be fun. Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
RE: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
Rumors have it that Malmo is being courted by NBC as a replacement for Dick Ebersol. If he gets the job we'll likely see: 1. Distance races shown in full at the 2004 Olympics 2. The elimination of 'close and personals'. 3. Jim Gray reassigned as towel boy in the NBC locker room. 4. Carol Lewis reassigned as NBC's manicurist 5. Craig Masback put in charge of focus groups. (Reliable sources say Masback is disenchanted with his current post, and is looking for something a little less intense.) Bruce Glikin (Nobel Prize candidate in literature for his new hard-boiled detective mystery, 'Slumming Angels.') The great Malmo!TM wrote "When grandmothers and working women everywhere are complaining about the cynical feel-good crap that NBC is churning out you know that there never were "focus groups"." The logic (loose useage of the word, I know) used by NBC is frighteningly similar to the logic the NCAA institutions use when complying with gender equity mandates. In the end it just pisses everyone off. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track & Field Coach University of Nebraska at Kearney Office (308) 865-8070 Home (308) 338-1115 http://www.lopers.com/xcountry/default.htm Fax # (308) 865-8187
t-and-f: Devers demise signals retreat of the old guard
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight In the biggest shock Gail Devers, the American world champion who had looked so impressive through the qualifying rounds, pulled up before the fifth barrier in her semi-final of the 100 metres hurdles. The 33-year-old who, in 1996, became the first woman since Wyomia Tyus in 1968 to defend her 100m title successfully was expected to have swept to her first Olympic gold medal in the hurdles. But a hamstring tear sustained last month in Brussels proved one injury too many. There were no histrionics. The woman who has become as famous for her extraordinarily long fingernails as for her hurdling prowess simply accepted the title was never going to be hers. "I thought I was tough enough," said Devers. "My plan was to get in there and run until my leg fell off. I tried to give it my best shot but it wasn't good enough." Earlier in the day, Svetlana Masterkova, the Russian who secured the 800m and 1500m double four years ago, dropped out of her heat of the metric mile with a calf injury. She fell to the ground after a collision on the third lap and walked off the track, clutching the back of her leg. It was a sad end to a glorious career which also included a European title in 1998 and the World Championship gold medal last year in Seville but also major operations on her Achilles tendons in 1997 and 1999. Noureddine Morceli, the Algerian who dominated the mile and 1500m throughout the Nineties, when he won three world titles and the 1996 Olympic gold medal, also fell victim to injury. Morceli, 30, pulled up in the finishing straight of his 1500m semi-final after a tangle with Jason Pyrah of the United States and wandered across the line in last place. For Sergei Bubka, the six-time world champion from Ukraine, elimination from the pole vault qualifying competition merely underlined his fading powers because of injury. At 36, Sydney was always going to be his swansong after a career stretching back 18 years and 35 world records. For all his domination, he has, however, won only one Olympic title, in 1988. In Sydney, where the 1996 champion, Jean Galfione, was also a casualty, Bubka tried unsuccessfully to enter the contest at 5.70m, a height he used to vault as a marker. Nils Schumann, from Germany, was the winner of a scrappy 800m final in which all the main contenders paid the price for abandoning their normal tactics. With the slowest time since Steve Ovett's 1980 triumph, Schumann added the Olympic title to his European crown by winning the sprint to the line in 1min 45.08sec. Wilson Kipketer, the favourite, took the silver medal, 0.06sec behind. He said: "The race was a little crazy." The 400m hurdles went to Angelo Taylor of the US, whose winning time of 47.50sec was a personal best and the fastest in the world this year. Victory marked a significant change of fortune for the 21-year-old from Georgia, who went out in the heats of last year's World Championships. The major surprise came with the silver medal won by Hadi Souan Somalyi, the 23-year-old Saudi Arabian athlete coached in California by John Smith, the former 400m runner who looks after the careers of Maurice Greene and Ato Boldon. There was no surprise in the women's final. In only her fourth competition as a hurdler, Irina Privalova, the 1992 bronze medallist over 200m, used her superior sprint speed to good effect to run a personal best of 53.02sec. On track: Dean Macey who lies in second place in the decathlon The Russian said she switched to hurdling after constant injury problems and revealed she was racing again thanks to surgeons who gave her a new Achilles tendon which was grafted on to her leg from a dead Russian soldier. Britain's Christian Malcolm and Darren Campbell progressed into today's semi-finals of the 200m with major improvements in their personal bests. Malcolm, in particular, looked good with 20.19sec. Dean Macey finished the first day of the decathlon in second place, only eight points behind Chris Huffins of the US after personal bests in the long jump and 400m. Macey, 22, who came from nowhere to win silver at last year's World Championships, ran the 400m in 46.41sec, quicker than Jamie Baulch, Britain's world indoor champion at the distance managed in his first-round exit last week. Macey's training partner, Erki Nool of Estonia, was third after the first five events, while the world champion, Tomas Dvorak of the Czech Republic, was struggling in seventh place. Said Macey: "I should win a medal but Erki deserves the gold more than me. I'm young and I'm going to win the next two." Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Curtain up on beauty and the beast
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Paul Hayward THE AUSTRALIAN papers are calling them beauty and the beast. While the beast was plodding into infamy, shedding tears and signing up O J Simpson's lawyer, the beauty was scorching closer to five Olympic golds at these Games. How fast would Marion Jones be if she was not weighed down by her husband, the newly lachrymose C J Hunter? Never mind the golds, Jones is in line for an Oscar after marching into the Olympic Stadium with chin raised and thespian's mask on. She floated through her 200 metres heat then qualified for the long jump final with her first leap. "When I stepped on the track the events of the past two days were pushed to the back of my head," she said. "I'm here to take care of business." The previous day, she had squeezed into a seat next to her shot-putting husband, and promised us that there would be a perfectly good explanation why C J had tested a thousand times over the limit for the anabolic steroid nandrolone at the Oslo Golden League Meeting on July 28. Four explanations, in fact, because Hunter failed four separate tests before pulling out of the Olympics to have an operation on his knee, the evidence of which he will happily show you if you ask him to roll up his trousers. For Jones, 'business' means the 100m, which she has already won, the 200m (the semi-finals were early this morning British time), the long jump and the 4x100m and 4x400m relays. She says she has received hundreds of letters, cards and e-mails saying: "You're in our prayers. Go out there are prove them all wrong." If she knew nothing of her husband's alleged activities, and has never partaken herself, she has become the tragic heroine of these Games. The normally truculent Hunter, meanwhile, has stopped scowling and started howling. Tears, his innocence, the lot. With the International Olympic Committee's medical commission saying that it would be impossible to be a thousand times over the limit from taking a contaminated iron supplement, as Hunter claims, he could, in the figurative sense, end up wearing the cannonball he throws for a living on a chain attached to his foot. The key theme of the last few days has been plausibility. Hunter is out to convince the watching world that he has fallen into a maelstrom not of his making, and has hired Simpson's counsel, Johnnie Cochrane, to haul him out. After his wife's regal performance on the track yesterday, Hunter was seen outside the stadium posing for photographs with children. In these situations, the accused are always advised by image consultants to do three things: look shocked and hurt, show their human side then hire an armadillo lawyer to go into battle. After she won the 100m on Saturday, Jones came back into the mixed zone, took her tracksuit top from Hunter then sat on a bench and cried. At that point Hunter's test results had not been made public, but she looked as if she knew what was coming next. And come it did. "The only way to have such levels [of nandrolone] is by injection or by taking pills," said Jacques Rogge, vice-president of the IOC. As the scandal spread, USA Track and Field, the governing body for the sport in America, faced renewed pressure to disclose details of 15 or more alleged positive tests which Olympic officials accuse them of suppressing. There is a strong anti-American feeling in Sydney this week. It surfaced when the IAAF's chief medical expert, Professor Arne Ljunqvist, accused the American national federation of protecting cheats, some of whom were allowed to compete in Seoul, Barcelona and Atlanta. The allegations are sufficiently serious for the head of President Clinton's anti-drugs campaign to have written to the US federation urging them to name names. General Barry McCaffrey helped drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait, but purging the American federation of secrecy and hypocrisy might prove a much bigger job. The idea that American athletes exist in a separate moral universe is intolerable to many Olympic countries, and especially to the smaller ones routinely busted for drugs. Initially the US Olympic Committee revoked Hunter's accreditation, but then tried to get it back on the grounds that he had not "been convicted of any offence". It all leaves Jones in a twilight world of innuendo and suspicion. The assumption of guilt by association is a rotten slur in the absence of any evidence to support it. But she must know that the crowd in Sydney will take less pleasure now from seeing her dominate her contemporaries. Sometimes when a drugs scandal breaks it is hard to spot anybody who is not putting on a performance. Jones certainly is, both in the athletic sense and by suppressing the trauma she must feel through every waking hour. "That's where I love to be - out there in front of the fans and under the lights. It takes my mind off everything," she said. How many great actresses have said that? "It's been a difficult time but having my family here has
t-and-f: Laughers from the IOC Charter
If you want a good chuckle, check out the following snippets from the charter of the
IOC (with a little commentary and emphasis added). More seriously, a read of these
documents makes me want to vomit. Of course, it's no surprise that these guys are a
bunch of self-aggrandizing hypocrites; it just makes me wonder if there's some way to
use their own language against them...
- Jay Ulfelder
>From The Olympic Charter: "The goal of Olympism is *to place everywhere sport at the
>service of the harmonious development of man,* with a view to encouraging the
>establishment of a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity."
[And the sale of exclusive TV rights accomplishes this...how?]
Also: "The role of the IOC is to lead the promotion of Olympism in accordance with the
Olympic Charter. For that purpose the IOC: collaborates with the competent public or
private organizations and authorities in the endeavour to place sport at the service
of humanity."
[Are you feeling served? To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it depends on what the meaning of
"service" is...]
"...opposes any political or commercial abuse of sport..."
[No comment required.]
And on the IOC's rights over the Olympics: "The Olympic Games are the exclusive
property of the IOC which owns all rights and data relating thereto, in particular,
and without limitation, all rights relating to their organization, exploitation,
broadcasting, recording, representation, reproduction, access and dissemination in any
form and by any means or mechanism whatsoever, whether now existing or developed in
the future. The IOC shall determine the conditions of access to and the conditions of
any use of data relating to the Olympic Games and to the competitions and sports
performances of the Olympic Games.
All profits derived from the celebration of the Olympic Games shall be applied to
the development of the Olympic Movement and of sport."
[Two questions: (A) How do they get away with this claim? On what legal basis does it
rest? NASCAR tried something like this in the U.S. ("we own the news from our events")
and got dumped in court. And (B) How does NBC's "this is entertainment, not sport"
philosophy square with the last sentence of this snippet?]
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t-and-f: Mens' 200m Final Report
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight DARREN CAMPBELL won the medal which secured the British team's lottery target at these Olympics in a race which produced the upset of the Games so far. Campbell's glorious silver medal in a pulsating 200 metres final meant that the athletics team had notched up its sixth medal with three days to go. But it was not Campbell who provided the upset. The 27 year-old, Linford Christie-coached athlete came to Sydney in the form of his life after winning the domestic trials. Disappointed with sixth place in the 100m, he breezed through the rounds of the 200m. A new personal best of 20.13sec came with consummate ease in the second round. In the final, he swept round the curve to enter the straight at the front of the peloton. For a few wonderful moments, it looked as if Campbell might become Britain's first ever 200m champion. Campbell said: "My dream was always to be known as a world class sprinter and for that I knew I had to be able to run a good 200m. "Hopefully, people will have a bit more respect for me. After the second round I wondered how much I'd left in the tank. But I felt strong and I wish I could have hung on for the gold." The upset came in the shape of Greece's Konstantinos Kenteris, charging through the centre of the arc of sprinters. With Campbell, Ato Boldon, from Trinidad, Britain's Christian Campbell and Obadele Thompson of Barbados all vying for a place on the podium, it was Kenteris who stormed to victory in the last 17 strides. The 27-year-old Kenteris crossed the line in a new national record of 20.09sec to become Greece's first male athletics gold medallist since Spiridon Louis won the marathon in the first of the Modern Olympics in Athens in 1896. Behind Campbell, the bronze medal went to Ato Boldon for the second Olympics in succession. Malcolm finished fifth in a brilliant first Olympic showing for the world junior champion who had lowered his best in the second round, to 20.19sec. Kenteris celebrated victory by flinging his hands in the air. The majority of the crowd used theirs to scratch their heads in disbelief. This was the race which should have provided the clash of the Games with Michael Johnson, the Olympic champion and world record holder facing Maurice Greene, the world champion before both Americans failed to make it through the US trials. Instead, it was won by an athlete with so little form that he is not even listed in Mel Watman's Who's Who in Track and Field, the Wisden of athletics. This was an upset to rival Peter Rono's 1500m win in 1988 and even Billy Mills's 10,000m victory in 1964. Kenteris is the first white sprinter to win an Olympic title since Italy's Pietro Mennea took the 200m gold medal, ahead of Britain's Allan Wells in Moscow. He is also something of a mystery. The athletes know him. Boldon remembered Kenteris from 1992 when he finished sixth behind him and Campbell at the world junior championships. Malcolm recalled beating Kenteris at this summer's European Cup at Gateshead. Given the USA's record in the 200m, Coby Miller and John Capel preferred to review their own performances. American sprinters have won 16 of the 22 finals since 1900. Miller and Capel finished seventh and eighth. But even Greek journalists admitted they thought Kenteris would reach no further than the last 16 here. In fact, Kenteris made it through to yesterday's final by excelling through the heats. Having arrived in Australia with a personal best of 20.25sec, he clocked 20.14sec in the second round and secured the favoured fifth lane in the final by winning his semi. Said Kenteris: "I knew I was up against the black guys and I wanted to do my best. I know it's been 20 years since a white man won this title and from the moment I arrived here, I knew I could do it." He dedicated his gold medal to the victims and survivors of Wednesday night's ferry disaster in the Aegean Sea. For Campbell, the silver medal was just reward for buckling down over the winter after failing last year to capitalise on his gold in the 100m at the 1998 European Championships. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS SPOILER INCLUDED
On Kenteris - perhaps I might sound a cautionary note herethe fact that many of us don't know much about this guy is NOT evidence of his having arrived from nowhere and thus is NOT evidence in itself of his being a drug user. 20.20 to 20.09 seems a perfectly reasonable progression to me - rermember that the big surprise of this race was not that he won but that Boldon and Thompson only ran times that they usually jog, while Capel got the Worst Start Ever (TM). He is of course a worthy champion, but 20.09 would not usually be enough for a medal, let alone a gold. Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Dan Kaplan wrote: > That was pretty lame on Capel's behalf. He's a good runner, but he > doesn't seem very mature from the standpoint of understanding what he's > doing out there. His comments about how his training and everything went > post-Sacto definitely bear that out, as will as allegedly not realizing > that people run to win in the Olympics, no matter what round. Not necessarily. Michael Johnson and Marion Jones were both "beaten" in prelim races. Many athletes have the attitude that the goal is to advance safely while conserving as much energy as possible. There have been many instances of athletes foolishly wasting energy on unnecessary sprint finishes in the rounds, only to run slower in the final. > > Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell > > (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. > > Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby > > Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > > Yikes, what an awful looking race. Please tell me they were running into > a tornado! Maybe an extra half second is being added to the finishing > times by the suspect starting blocks (which obviously were not performance > enhanced)? At least Boldon and Thompson duked it out, albeit at a near > training pace. We are so used to these championship events being held in hot-weather sites, great for the sprints but terrible for the distances. When was the last sub-2:10 marathon in a WC or Oly? I think it's great that the weather is nicer for the longer events this time. Also, the winds have often been in the sprinters' faces (-0.6 mps for M 200 final). Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris
SCROLL "Steven L. Brower" schreef: >Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this > individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect >In other words, what's the ticket with this? Hello, I was interested in this myself, especially since I made somewhat of a fool of myself over this guy: watching the race at offices of my newspaper (and obviously not paying attention to the earlier rounds), I predicted the Greek may become last... Anyway, Kenteris (sometimes spelled as Kedèris) was listed 22nd in the IAAF World ranking with a 20.29/+1,9 200 meters (Rethymon, GRE, june 10). Kenteris (11.6.73 180/80) also ran a 20.34/+0,2 in Hanya (?) june 14. He got third in the Europa Cup 200 meters in Gateshead, july 16, behind Chris Malcom/GBR (20.45) and Allessandro Calavarro/ITA (20.45, just as Ked`ris). Mirko Jalava (www.tilastopaja.net) has him in the 1999 lists with pb of 20.50. in Sydney, he ran 20.57, 20.14 NR (2nd behind Campbell!), 20.20 and 20.09 NR. There is a story on Kenteris (as it is spelled there) at http://www.athletix.gre (even they seem surprised) Furthermore, www.olympics.com has several news stories: - Kenteris dedicates victory to ferry victims, Reuters 29 September 2000 - Kenteris win no surprise to Greek Minister, Reuters 28 September 2000 - Greece's Kenteris wins shock 200m gold Also from that site: Birth place: Mytilene (Greece) Residence: Athens (Greece) SPORTING PROFILE Personal bests: 20.250, 10.160 Season best: 20.250 Coach: PL SARASLANIDIS Coach since: - GENERAL INTEREST Major achievements: 7th - Men's 4x100m Relay - World Championship - 1998 Highlights: Set Greek record of 20.25 in 200m earlier this year. Third in 200m, 2000 European Cup. Third in 400m, 1999 European Cup. Winner 400m, 1993 European Cup. Sixth in 200m, 1992 World Juniors. Regards, Wilmar
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock _ At 01:55 PM 9/28/00 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
t-and-f: 200m Final Report
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Paul Hayward BRONZE and silver went to daylight in the women's 200m here, but to make the medal podium a little neater they gave a gong to Pauline Davis Thompson of the Bahamas and Sri Lanka's Susanthika Jayasinghe. Both reported sightings of a disappearing object said to be Marion Jones. "Nothing was handed to me today. I had to fight for that gold. These girls pushed me and made me dig deep down," said Jones after completing the 100-200m double without succumbing to the temptation to open a book in mid-race. There was a good reason why she was being diplomatic. The two gallant also-rans were sitting beside her, lit by that aura of invinciblity. The truth is that the two other medal winners might as well have chased the sun. The one millionth spectator walked into the Olympic Stadium here yesterday. Probably about five of them had heard of Konstantinos Kenteris, the Greek winner of the 200m. Marion Jones's notoriety meanwhile continues to spread, for the simple reason that she has become as formidable in her chosen trade as Tiger Woods in golf, and has a husband who may be on a fast track to international disgrace. Aretha Franklin's 'Respect' boomed over the tannoy after Jones had come home unchallenged in 21.84secs, a seasonal best. So now we know where the stadium announcer stands. It was another night of turbulence on Mount Olympus. First the American track and field authority denied that they bury positive test results on US athletes in mass graves; then an appeal by the young Romanian gymnast, Andreea Raducan, against her disqualification in the all-around category was thrown out. Two Neurofen cost her gold. With all this going on, it was hard not to think of Kenteris's inexplicable victory as anything other than a cosmic joke. While the sages were rifling through the new champion's past looking for evidence to explain his dramatic improvement, Jones continued to change from conquering sprinter and long jumper into high-velocity soap. After turning Davis-Thompson and Jayasinghe to toast, she sat on a bench meticulously folding her US and Belize flags (she holds dual nationality). If only the rest of her life was so neat. The brief kiss she planted on the lips of her husband C J Hunter, who was tested a thousand times over the limit for the steroid nandrolone, was reminder that her reputation risks being destroyed even as it is being made. So did she think that the Australians who offered her only half-hearted acclaim assume that she must have been using C J's chemistry set? "No I don't have that feeling, because the people who know me, support me, coach me, know that I'm a clean athlete, so no, I don't think that at all. "None of us just started training this year. This has been a dream of mine. To let one event in your life, as dramatic as it might, ruin all that just wouldn't be worth it. All the days my mum would drive for four or five hours to get me to a track and field meet: to let one event ruin it - no way, no way." Hunter, nestling into the crowd and looking as inconspicuous as a shot-putter allegedly on steroids possibly can, will not enjoy reading that in the local papers this morning. The inference is that Jones will not let her mountainous husband mess up her quest to surpass Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens by winning five golds at a single Games. Tomorrow the sprint relays and long jump get under way. 'Hard Nails' as she was known at school, is not entirely the mistress of her own destiny. After the long-jump, she is dependent on team-mates in the 4x100m and 4x400m relays. She gives the impression of not wanting to be dependent on anyone. "What's happened over the last few days has added not necessarily a pressure but something that could have blurred my focus. I'm glad that hasn't happened," she said. "I enjoyed the 100m and I'm enjoying this second victory. I'm here for greater things than two gold medals. I'm here to prove that it's possible to walk out of Sydney with five golds. I guess I'm ticking them off a list, but I am enjoying them. "I'm not in a class by myself. And I'm not saying the other girls pushed me hard just because they're sitting next to me now. I rarely get nervous, but I get excited butterflies, because I want the race to unfold my way. The pleasing thing was that I qualified for the long jump with my first leap. I didn't do that at the US trials or at the world championships in Seville and Athens. By doing that I saved my legs a bit for the sprints. I'm confident going into the pit." As the days wear on and the list is ticked, she seems to become more resilient, more certain that she can survive the enveloping family crisis. Unlike Kenteris, her brilliance stretches back to high school, and Olympic glory is part of a masterplan that was conceived in liveable dreams. "It's so much better than the dream. I've had sleepless nights dreaming about this. It's so, so much better when you have that medal. I've sen
t-and-f: Longo the Bruiser?
As for the M800 -- I don't know what NBC showed, but Longo's body check was quite significant and did send Bucher onto the infield for about 3 steps. Bucher was very lucky that he was able to step back on the track with relatively little interference, but he could very easily have been boxed into the infield, or even fallen if he had not shown such deft footwork jumping the curb, etc. I'm surprised nothing happened to Longo, given how blatant and serious the straight-arm was. AGB
RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Andrew Turner asked: > When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in > the top 5 in the 200? > Aside from 1980, the last time the US failed to provide a 200m medallist was in 1928, according to the report on the IAAF website: http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp ?Code=2667 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: 800m Bumping (was:Warning for NBC?)
> On a completely different subject, I finally got to see the 800M >final this a.m. (taped from last night's late show) and was waiting for the >fireworks promised in an earlier post. All I saw was Longo's shoulder >bumping Bucher as he made the move with no apoparent effect,. Admittedly, >NBC cut from the bump to a different view of the rest of the race, but >Bucher seemed to be moving along as if nothing had happened. from what I >read, I thought he would be sprawled in the infield.<<< The NBC coverage cut away just as the contact was beginning, and in the next view Bucher had already gotten back on the track. The coverage was much better on Televiso, where it clearly showed Longo bump into Bucher and knock him right off the track. It wasn't so bad as to knock him down, but he was forced to run on the infield for a few strides before getting back on the track. He was not bumped completely out of contention, but he was definitely knocked off stride. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Last time US men were shut out of Olympic 200 medals (excluding 1980) was 1928. -Original Message- From: Turner, Andrew C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:57 AM To: Philip Weishaar Cc: track list Subject: Re: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in the top 5 in the 200? -Turner On 28 Sep 00 09:46:46 -0500 Philip Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was going backward at the gun but it was minute( if it happened) and no recall. Lanes 5-6-7-8- placed 1 thru 4 . Miller pretty much tied up like he did in semis. When was the last time no one ran a sub 20 200 ANYTIME during the heats and Finals? - Turner, Andrew C. Vanderbilt University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
>Scroll down >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. Even as an American, I say that it's not only okay that an American failed to place in the 200, I think it's great that someone from Greece won the race. I must say that I'd like to go to Vegas with anyone who might have predicted that one. As for the times, well, what can we expect when they hold these events at night in the very early spring in Australia? In Melbourne in 1956, the Olympics were held in much warmer weather, from November 22 to December 8. And the track and field events were held in the daytime hours. Jim Bendat >Oh dear USA. > >7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > >I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging >world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > >This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more >competitive place now. Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49> > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
The great Malmo!TM wrote "When grandmothers and working women everywhere are complaining about the cynical feel-good crap that NBC is churning out you know that there never were "focus groups"." The logic (loose useage of the word, I know) used by NBC is frighteningly similar to the logic the NCAA institutions use when complying with gender equity mandates. In the end it just pisses everyone off. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track & Field Coach University of Nebraska at Kearney Office (308) 865-8070 Home (308) 338-1115 http://www.lopers.com/xcountry/default.htm Fax # (308) 865-8187
Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
Bruce Goodchild wrote: > I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, > _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was > supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave > up and went to bed. > Does anyone know what time it was on? Like the men's 10K and the women's 5K, the men's 800 final was shown on the late-night segment, from 12:35 AM to 2:10 AM out here on the West coast. Supposedly, no track was to be shown on the late-night segments, but you can't rely on NBC for anything except that they will do ANYTHING to keep you watching all the stuff you don't care about to get to what you do care about. I'm taping EVERYTHING, then will go back and edit out the precious few jewels for my permanent collection. Cheers, Alan Shank
RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
It's been a few years, but Brooks Johnson is sounding like a genius. M. Ward -Original Message- From: malmo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:55 AM To: Justin Clouder; 'T&F List' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM > To: 'T&F List' > Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > > > > Scroll down > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Oh dear USA. > > 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > > I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without > the reiging > world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > > This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more > competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" > approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus > interest, what is > more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of > the games, > indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they > probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power > event for the > USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown > away. > > BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the > abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general > US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > > And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, > reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key > moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran > harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced > around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat > remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging > right off > the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really > enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a > little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > > Men's 200m final: > > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > > Justin > > > > ** > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible > for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy > or deliver this message to anyone. > > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the > sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer > does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not > relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its > Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by them. > > Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. > Registered in England. > Registered Number 1935786. > Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. > Telephone 020 7616 3500. > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** >
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
"Steven L. Brower" wrote: >Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this > individual. > Pr's, past rankings, ect >In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in T & F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank
RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Alan >From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Justin Clouder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'T&F List'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:54:54 -0700 > >Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again >win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! > >malmo!TM >Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM > > To: 'T&F List' > > Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > > > > > > > > Scroll down > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Oh dear USA. > > > > 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > > > > I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without > > the reiging > > world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > > > > This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more > > competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal >chance" > > approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus > > interest, what is > > more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of > > the games, > > indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they > > probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power > > event for the > > USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown > > away. > > > > BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the > > abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general > > US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > > > > And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, > > reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key > > moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran > > harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then >pranced > > around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat > > remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging > > right off > > the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I >really > > enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a > > little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > > > > Men's 200m final: > > > > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > ** > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > > If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible > > for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy > > or deliver this message to anyone. > > > > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the > > sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer > > does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > > > > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not > > relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its > > Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor > > endorsed by them. > > > > Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. > > Registered in England. > > Registered Number 1935786. > > Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. > > Telephone 020 7616 3500. > > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ** > > > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli but over the past five years I've learned not to get my hopes up. [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, John Molvar wrote: > In the second semi-final, there were 2 > Americans and one (Pyrah) made the final which is > a big deal. On Tues, NBC showed 7 hours on their > main outlet, plus an additional 4 hours on their > cable outlets. Eleven hours of 36 hour tape > delayed, over editted, drama less, prepackaged > crap and they couldn't even find 10 seconds in > their eleven hours of garbage to show the 1500. > The ratings for NBC continue to sink, despite the > fact DWIGHT told us our opinion didn't matter and > that they were targeting the non sports fan Baby > Boomer women whom apparently agree with our > supposedly worthless opinion that the NBC > coverage sucks and they are turning it off in > droves. > > The Games are being televised in over 200 > countries and the USA, the richest and most > advanced country in the World, has by far the > worst coverage of the Olympics. How is this > possible? Maybe money DOES ruin everything. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ >
Re: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in the top 5 in the 200? -Turner On 28 Sep 00 09:46:46 -0500 Philip Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be >one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track >and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was >going backward at the gun but it was minute( if it happened) and no recall. Lanes >5-6-7-8- placed 1 thru 4 . Miller pretty much tied up like he did in semis. When >was the last time no one ran a sub 20 200 ANYTIME during the heats and Finals? - Turner, Andrew C. Vanderbilt University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
About 1:30 or 2:00 AM >I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, >_hoping_ that I could finally watch what was >supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave >up and went to bed. >Does anyone know what time it was on? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this?
Re: t-and-f: New t-and-f list archive
Geoff Hutchison wrote, in response to my question about the relative time lag on the new list archives: <> - snip - Thanks. You've been doing a great job as archivist, as others on the list have said. Not being a technical whiz kid, I can't be critical. Of course, I wish it were going to be as near-instanteous as what you've been doing at the Williams webpage, because it makes it handy just to forward somebody a URL linking to a good list post. But now that I at least know the scoop, I'm apprised to just cut and paste if I'm in such a big hurry and don't want to wait out the lag. Chris Kuykendall Austin, Texas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
--- Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the > abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general > US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. I may be wrong, but I think the abuse Stephen took was because of the way he said what he did, not what he actually said. I doubt anyone feels a need to apologize over that. Yes, he was correct, but so is the weatherman on occasion. > And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, > reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key > moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran > harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then > pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. That was pretty lame on Capel's behalf. He's a good runner, but he doesn't seem very mature from the standpoint of understanding what he's doing out there. His comments about how his training and everything went post-Sacto definitely bear that out, as will as allegedly not realizing that people run to win in the Olympics, no matter what round. > Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell > (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. > Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby > Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Yikes, what an awful looking race. Please tell me they were running into a tornado! Maybe an extra half second is being added to the finishing times by the suspect starting blocks (which obviously were not performance enhanced)? At least Boldon and Thompson duked it out, albeit at a near training pace. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,400 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results -- DON'T READ IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR CANNED COVERAGE
Hi, Just saw the decathlon DT on NBC. Nool's third throw was clearly a foul, and Dwight remarked as such. He appealed and the field judge's decision was overruled. A HUGE gift for Nool. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track & Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bob Ramsak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results >And that decision gave him the gold. On what basis does one appeal a ring >foul? The official rules it a foul; how does he appeal? There's no >plasticine to examine. Do they look at a videotape? > >Coty > >At 08:55 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, >>You wer right. Apparently he appealed a ring foul and got another >>shot. Below >>is text from the IAAF website... >> >> >>.Huffins moved ahead even farther in the discus with the best >>performance of >>all competitors at 49.55. It gave him 6401, which was 196 points ahead of >>Sebrle, who moved past Macey into second with a throw of 44.39 and a total of >>6205. >> >>Macey's 43.37 gave him an aggregate 6186 which ranked third, ahead of Erki >>Nool's 6157 after his 43.66 discus throw. >> >>Nool originally had three fouls--and zero points--in the discus. But he >>successfully appealed the ring-foul ruling on his third and final throw. >> >>A counter appeal by the British delegation was turned down. Pappas' 41.42 toss >>secured him fifth with 6124, while Dvorak moved up a spot to sixth at 6036 >>with >>a 47.15 >> >> >>--- >>| Bob Ramsak >>| OHIO Track & Running Report >>| http://www.trackprofile.com >>| Cleveland, Ohio USA >>| [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:47 AM >>Subject: t-and-f: Decathlon results >> >> >> >results warning >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >. >> >Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three >> >events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I >> >looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders >> >each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the >> >1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it >> >wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 >> >points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. >> > >> >Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool >> >had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the >> >DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web >> >site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a >> >great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw >> >for some reason? >> > >> >Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > > >
t-and-f: Warning for NBC?
Netters: I presume no one on this list is paying much attention to the hearings currently being conducted in Washington, DC, on the marketing of screen violence and sex to children, but there was a comment made yesterday by Sen. Fritz Hollings (the oldest "junior senator" ever) of South Carolina that NBC might pay some attention to. Addressing a witness, Hollings said that while "we would never interfere with the content of your prdocutions, we do control the airwaves," (referring to the fact that all networks and individual radio and TV stations are using public air and could not exist without regulations that protect them against "pirate" operations.) I think NBC will be in real trouble is the other media they have tried toi interfere with in Sydney want to make a case of it. It's not just the interference with the internet on which comments have been made on our list, but with the legituimately-accredited print media. At the least, the FCC (and/or Confess) should make clear that nothing like this will be tolerated in 2002 and that, even when the Olympics are held overseas, there are still rules that NBC would disregard at its peril. There is another old case which could apply here. About 50 years agoi, the government forced the separation of movie companies that contriolled to some extent both the production and delivary (in theaters) of their products., This was what led to the breakup of the studio system (with a big help from TV) some years later. The analogy isn't exact, but close enough. In the poresent case, NBC (or any other network) buys rights to an essentially public event like the Olympics, then prevents (to the extent it can, given the satellite technology, the over-the-air access that border states have to Canada and Mecio, etc.) any other US outlet from showing it. The question, I think, will revolve around whether an independent outlet would have the right to purchase the rights to show, say the Eurosports programs and show them here. A good argument, given the way NBC (and ABC and CBS) show these international events that there is really little or nothing the same between the two. After all, if NBC can get the (admittedly disappointing) ratings it gets now with such long delays from the actual events, why should it worry is someone else wants to show rthe real things when it happens. There are precedents for this: the blacking out in certain areas of pro telecats that goes on now in all sports. These other outlets could be similarly "blacked out" only when NBC is showing something live. This could even force the network to go in for more live broadcasting. The possibilkities are endless. On a completely different subject, I finally got to see the 800M final this a.m. (taped from last night's late show) and was waiting for the fireworks promised in an earlier post. All I saw was Longo's shoulder bumping Bucher as he made the move with no apoparent effect,. Admittedly, NBC cut from the bump to a different view of the rest of the race, but Bucher seemed to be moving along as if nothing had happened. from what I read, I thought he would be sprawled in the infield. Kipketer obviously ran tentatively in comoparison to his usual style. Given his physical problems of the past year, it was a gallant effort. On Devers, I have never seen anything quite like it---it appeared she simply quit in the middle of the race. There was no indication of a sharp pain, of anything that might have led to her decision. It will be interesting to see if she comes back for the relay. Right now, I wouldn't give two cents for Marion's chance to win five golds---our 1600 team will need a miracle to win and the 400 team will certainly be almost a second slower without Miller and Devers. Ed Grant
RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM > To: 'T&F List' > Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > > > > Scroll down > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Oh dear USA. > > 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > > I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without > the reiging > world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > > This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more > competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" > approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus > interest, what is > more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of > the games, > indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they > probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power > event for the > USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown > away. > > BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the > abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general > US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > > And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, > reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key > moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran > harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced > around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat > remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging > right off > the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really > enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a > little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > > Men's 200m final: > > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > > Justin > > > > ** > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible > for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy > or deliver this message to anyone. > > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the > sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer > does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not > relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its > Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by them. > > Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. > Registered in England. > Registered Number 1935786. > Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. > Telephone 020 7616 3500. > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** >
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m
> > Men's 200m final: > 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 > 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 > 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 > 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 > 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 > 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 > 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 > 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 What happened to the 19.96 and 19.85 :-) :-) :-) :-)
RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
scroll down: actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was going backward at the gun but it was minute( if it happened) and no recall. Lanes 5-6-7-8- placed 1 thru 4 . Miller pretty much tied up like he did in semis. When was the last time no one ran a sub 20 200 ANYTIME during the heats and Finals?
t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? Thanks, Bruce Goodchild
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
SCROLL DOWN I dont' know much about Capel's arrogance, outside of his little tongue wagging after yesterday's second round, but did you check out the reaction times... Konstadinos -- .163 Campbell - .174 Boldon - .163 Capel - .348 ! I spoke with him briefly last May at the Jesse Owens meet in Columbus and he seemed then (prior to his trials win) as anything but arrogant. I hope this disappointment doesn't make Capel go back to football. He's 21, and has been putting up fast times since last year. Wishful thinking, I know... --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track & Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'T&F List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:51 AM Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED > >Scroll down >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >Oh dear USA. > >7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. > >I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging >world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). > >This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more >competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" >approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is >more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, >indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they >probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the >USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown >away. > >BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the >abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general >US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. > >And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, >reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key >moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran >harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced >around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat >remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off >the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really >enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a >little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: > >Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 > >Justin > > > >** >Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. >If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible >for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy >or deliver this message to anyone. > >In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the >sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer >does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. > >Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not >relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its >Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor >endorsed by them. > >Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. >Registered in England. >Registered Number 1935786. >Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. >Telephone 020 7616 3500. >Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >** >
RE: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
> The ratings for NBC continue to sink, despite the > fact DWIGHT told us our opinion didn't matter and > that they were targeting the non sports fan Baby > Boomer women whom apparently agree with our > supposedly worthless opinion that the NBC > coverage sucks and they are turning it off in > droves. When grandmothers and working women everywhere are complaining about the cynical feel-good crap that NBC is churning out you know that there never were "focus groups". Even if this crap was liked by women (55 percent share of the viewership), why the heck would they produce a product that a full 45 percent just hate? Seems that they could play it safe, produce a show with much more action, lose a few gloopy women to Oprah and Jerry Springer, but appeal to a full 90 percent of the market. At least that's the results from my focus groups. malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics
Re: t-and-f: Marion Jones' Other Flag
GNC?
t-and-f: RE: Culpepper - Why did we send her?(contains some results)
In a message dated 9/27/00 10:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << In Culpepper's case, however, she only made the team due to Jacob's sudden departure from the event and the only experience she got was getting her #$% kicked. >> Which should be a very valuable experience if she ever runs in the Olympics or World Championships again. It's not just the winning that helps an athlete learn. Shayne is very young. I'd rather have her out there learning her lessons now than waiting until she's older. Just think of how long it took Suzy to learn to deal with these big meets. I recall her getting her #$% kicked a few times at the games and now she's performing brilliantly. Shayne was in Australia anyhow (to support Alan). I'm glad they gave her a chance. It might take her 3 Olympic Games to move into the final (just as it has Suzy) But I'm hoping by 2008 she performing the same way (as Suzy). KRounds
Re: t-and-f: Marion Jones' Other Flag
It was hte national flag of Belize. I imagine that as a Brit, you would remember it as British Honduras:) but in the West Indies we prefer to call it Belize. Horace On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, David Hughes wrote: > As an ignorant Brit can someone tell me what the other flag is that Marion > Jones' carries when she celebrating victory in Sydney? > > David >
Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results
And that decision gave him the gold. On what basis does one appeal a ring foul? The official rules it a foul; how does he appeal? There's no plasticine to examine. Do they look at a videotape? Coty At 08:55 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >You wer right. Apparently he appealed a ring foul and got another >shot. Below >is text from the IAAF website... > > >.Huffins moved ahead even farther in the discus with the best >performance of >all competitors at 49.55. It gave him 6401, which was 196 points ahead of >Sebrle, who moved past Macey into second with a throw of 44.39 and a total of >6205. > >Macey's 43.37 gave him an aggregate 6186 which ranked third, ahead of Erki >Nool's 6157 after his 43.66 discus throw. > >Nool originally had three fouls--and zero points--in the discus. But he >successfully appealed the ring-foul ruling on his third and final throw. > >A counter appeal by the British delegation was turned down. Pappas' 41.42 toss >secured him fifth with 6124, while Dvorak moved up a spot to sixth at 6036 >with >a 47.15 > > >--- >| Bob Ramsak >| OHIO Track & Running Report >| http://www.trackprofile.com >| Cleveland, Ohio USA >| [EMAIL PROTECTED] >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:47 AM >Subject: t-and-f: Decathlon results > > > >results warning > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three > >events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I > >looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders > >each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the > >1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it > >wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 > >points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. > > > >Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool > >had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the > >DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web > >site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a > >great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw > >for some reason? > > > >Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >
t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > results warning > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three > events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I > looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders > each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the > 1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it > wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 > points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. > > Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool > had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the > DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web > site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a > great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw > for some reason? Nool's third throw was a borderline foul and was at first adjudged as such, but was later overruled by track officials after Nool protested. Protests were filed by the US and UK in response. As far as I know the final results still stand. -- Elliott Oti
t-and-f: Decathlon results
results warning . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the 1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw for some reason? Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: shocker from last night
Philip Weishaar schreef: > scroll down to read: > Well, as you may know Gail Devers DNF in the 1st 100HH Semifinal. She didn't fall, >she didn't pull up lame, she just quit. after 4 hurdles she was even with the group >and just quit. she didn't hit anything. In an interview with CBC, she simply said "I >guess it was meant to be tonite". This is a very strange situation. Well, the way I have learnt it to be is that she has had an hamstring injury for several weeks (I can confirm that, she was complaining about the same thing in the Brussels press conference) and she decided during the race it was too bad to continue. In light of the news that has come out I can somewhat understand that people get suspicious over sudden failure or not starting of favorites (which is still a big leap to actually accusing people of something), but let's remember that until now there is only one confirmed case of 'DNS=positive test'. And 'common' injuries still occur in top level elite athletics WK
