Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - maze
On 20/09/2010 08:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: Mazes may be fun park attractions, historic constructions, decorative elements, structures for relax and meditation, temporary puzzles... I don't see them all fit in a single category. Maybe leisure=maze or amenity=maze is generic enough. +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - maze
On 20 September 2010 17:27, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Mazes may be fun park attractions, historic constructions, decorative elements, structures for relax and meditation, temporary puzzles... I don't see them all fit in a single category. Maybe leisure=maze or amenity=maze is generic enough. That might cover mazes, but how about the rest of the amusement/theme park options? I'm think someone suggested attraction=maze the other day... In which case attraction=castle|dodgem_cars|ferris_wheel|water_slide|wave_pool| ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
Hi, I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. I somehow forgot about it, but want to close the process now in some weeks time by voting, so that we can add the values to the feature page. There is also an addition for control devices (see subtags on the page) to be part of the proposal. What do you think, are these (RFID-reader, PIN-Code-Keypad, Key, etc.) better in barrier or in access? Maybe access is worse because it is about legal restrictions. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 20.09.2010 20:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. I somehow forgot about it, but want to close the process now in some weeks time by voting, so that we can add the values to the feature page. There is also an addition for control devices (see subtags on the page) to be part of the proposal. What do you think, are these (RFID-reader, PIN-Code-Keypad, Key, etc.) better in barrier or in access? Maybe access is worse because it is about legal restrictions. I don't see for most of these additions where they relate to the barrier itself: barrier:video does not differ relevant from normal video surveillance - so I don't see the need for another tag. keys: well - okay, but that's from my POV only useful when standard keys (like Euro key for toilets for disabled people or the square shaped key for bollards often used at least in Germany) is used. These I would add more concrete to avoid different interpretations of key and to increase the use of the key. rfid: useful for other features as well, and I think, tagged as a barrier node the relation would be clear enough - or are there any use cases for a barrier where rfid would relate to another entity than the barrier itself? same for keypad, rfid, biometric and magnetic_stripe. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Nice collection of missing barrier types. I've even used some of them already, so it's a good thing to document these additions. I noticed some smaller issues, though: * Couldn't we just use barrier=rope/chain on ways, too? Introducing barrier=post_and_rope/post_and_chain for this seems unnecessary. * Isn't a guardrail a linear feature? It should be possible to use this on ways. * barrier=curb has an area element type. This seems /somewhat/ excessive, especially since none of the other barriers has. There is also an addition for control devices (see subtags on the page) to be part of the proposal. That seems like a somewhat different idea - and might be more controversial than the rest, or at least for different reasons - , so I wonder why it's in the same proposal. I don't think I'll map control devices anytime soon (or ever), though, so I'm going to just ignore that section. Tobias Knerr ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 20.09.2010 21:50, Tobias Knerr wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Nice collection of missing barrier types. I've even used some of them already, so it's a good thing to document these additions. I noticed some smaller issues, though: * Couldn't we just use barrier=rope/chain on ways, too? Introducing barrier=post_and_rope/post_and_chain for this seems unnecessary. * Isn't a guardrail a linear feature? It should be possible to use this on ways. * barrier=curb has an area element type. This seems /somewhat/ excessive, especially since none of the other barriers has. I think, it's good to apply barrier=curb on closed ways, too, but that should NOT imply the inner of the polygon to be raised above the outer part. There can also be a polygon lowered. With that in mind, it's not tagging as area, it's tagging the way - although the way is closed. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] recording damage
Hi everyone, It looks like the push to define Humanitarian OSM tags in the wiki stopped in February but from scouring the web, it looks like the HOT is very active (http://hot.openstreetmap.org/weblog). Where is the right place to review the current damage/disaster-related tags? -- Sean On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 08:59, Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: I've been in Galveston Texas for the last week and I've been trying to add some POIs as I've ventured around the island. One thing I've run into is that some of facilities are either permanently destroyed or temporarily out-of-use due to storm damage from Hurricane Ike in 2008. Little to no tagging of this damage exists. I've searched around trying to find some precedent for damage-related tags and found the following, all related to Haiti: http://www.mail-archive.com/t...@openstreetmap.org/msg26308.html - discussion on the talk mailing list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Haiti_Strategy_And_Proposal - Haiti proposal http://tagstat.hypercube.telascience.org/search.php?query=damage - tagstats on damage What are the best forums to both understand current practice as well as discuss tagging of damaged features, i.e. storms, earthquakes, riots, conflicts, etc? Thanks. Sean ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. Spike/Teeth Barriers http://www.entryparkingposts.com/ (First picture) These don't allow travel unless retracted. There's also the less destructive ones that allow travel in one direction as they collapse underneath a vehicle. (Second picture) ... A definition for a ha-ha wall would be good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha I think they need to be differentiated from a standard wall, not least because they're virtually invisible when approaching them, especially from the higher side. ... Sea wall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_wall These are barriers to prevent erosion of the land. ... Groynes are for some reason classified under man_made which IMO is far to general. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groynes barrier=groyne is a much more descriptive tag. --- I'm not sure about swing gates. I would have thought the default for gate would be of the swing variety therefore doesn't need noting? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the new barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Shouldn't barrier=curb use the UK spelling, ie kerb? Also, I don't see the need for barrier=swing_gate. It is just a specific type of gate, so would be better as a subtag of barrier=gate. And rope and chain are effectively the same thing, it would be simpler as a single barrier tag, with a subtag to specify what material its made of. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. these are a variant on the Fitch Barrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_attenuator#Fitch_Barrier Fitch barriers are often really permanent, they get used at the points where ramps separate to protect drivers who blow the decision on which ramp to take. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 9/20/10 6:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 21 September 2010 08:03, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. these are a variant on the Fitch Barrier: To me these are distinct, one is used to reduce accidents on highway exits, the other is a barrier to prevent people entering... I've rarely seen the accident prevention kind, but the barrier kind is used here very often, they some times/also use a concrete barrier that is in the same shape, these are less used because you need a fork lift or similar to lift them into place, the plastic ones can be easily moves about when there isn't any water inside. the general term is Attenuator, and in all cases, they're plastic containers filled with water or sand, and are frequently semi permanent. attenuator covers both the round Fitch barrier style and the ones that look more like New Jersey barrier such as are shown at the link in the original posting. both are used to provide for a softer collision than concrete. the spots where they are used do differ a bit. there are actually a lot of Fitch barriers in the US. while Fitch is British, i think he had moved to the US before he came up with them, and he got a lot of traction with them as a safety device here. i'll ask him for details the next time i see him. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
On 21 September 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, which tag would you suggest? They are similar to guard rails IMHO Guard rails usually run parallel with the road, these barriers can be used to block the road to force traffic to be diverted etc... as for name, barrier=water_filled_plastic ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types
2010/9/20 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Spike/Teeth Barriers http://www.entryparkingposts.com/ These don't allow travel unless retracted. yes, this is nice, I have never seen them, which value do you suggest? There's also the less destructive ones that allow travel in one direction as they collapse underneath a vehicle. (Second picture) A definition for a ha-ha wall would be good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha I'd say that is a combination of a retaining wall and a ditch. You could map it as two barriers. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
