[Tagging] Footway as painted lane in highway
Hi I have a country lane where on one side has a dashed white line about 1.5m from the road edge a walking person symbol painted on the surface. It has no adjacent raised kerb footpath. What would be the best way to tag this? I'm thinking using footway=lane as a sub tag of 'highway=' in similar fashion to a cyclway. Is there a better way? Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
Dear the list, In France, we have some private housing estates where the streets are not named and the adresses are the housing estate name itself. For instance, the housing estate is called Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. The streets inside the etate are private access and are not officially named. I guess something we can find in many countries. One of our contributor wants to keep the streets unnamed and put on houses addresses the following tags : addr:housenumber with the house number and addr:street with the housing estate name. And draw a surrounding polygon for the whole housing estate with name=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca and landuse=residential. Is this tagging correct ? Can we leave the streets unnamed or with the tag noname=yes ? Some QA tools or validators complain about a missing street for the addr:street=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. Just ignore the warnings ? Or should we consider another addr tag instead of addr:street like addr:block or addr:place, addr:neighbourhood, addr:estate ? Is the housing estate correctly tagged with landuse=residential + name ? What is your current practice locally ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
Since these are the names of the houses/estates, what'd be wrong with using addr:housename? - Svavar Kjarrval On 26/03/13 13:13, Pieren wrote: Dear the list, In France, we have some private housing estates where the streets are not named and the adresses are the housing estate name itself. For instance, the housing estate is called Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. The streets inside the etate are private access and are not officially named. I guess something we can find in many countries. One of our contributor wants to keep the streets unnamed and put on houses addresses the following tags : addr:housenumber with the house number and addr:street with the housing estate name. And draw a surrounding polygon for the whole housing estate with name=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca and landuse=residential. Is this tagging correct ? Can we leave the streets unnamed or with the tag noname=yes ? Some QA tools or validators complain about a missing street for the addr:street=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. Just ignore the warnings ? Or should we consider another addr tag instead of addr:street like addr:block or addr:place, addr:neighbourhood, addr:estate ? Is the housing estate correctly tagged with landuse=residential + name ? What is your current practice locally ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra
Hi, I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and paint. This is the gate in a one-way school service road http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.5351mlon=5.628629zoom=18layers=M where parents drive and drop or pick the kids. Very wisely, the administration has painted what is better called a /*passage pour piétons*/ than a /*pedestrian crossing*/ because it does not *cross* a road but goes *along* on one half of it (it crosses the main road and the children continue to walk on it up to the gate (mark)). Unfortunately, the only OSM vision of a pedestrian crossing is a single node restricting it to be perpendicular to the road. HDITT, TIA? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
On 3/26/13 9:13 AM, Pieren wrote: Dear the list, In France, we have some private housing estates where the streets are not named and the adresses are the housing estate name itself. For instance, the housing estate is called Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. The streets inside the etate are private access and are not officially named. I guess something we can find in many countries. One of our contributor wants to keep the streets unnamed and put on houses addresses the following tags : addr:housenumber with the house number and addr:street with the housing estate name. i'm not sure what the correct answer is, but there will be issues with some of the GPS/Routing solutions. i don't think either OsmAnd or mkgmap will handle this in their current form. i note in particular that both expect to see addresses tied to locations on streets in some form, and there's a fair amount of address processing involved to get to this. so maybe you also need to use an associated street relation (fragile as they are) to show the street that the addresses are attached to. OsmAnd processes these, i'm not sure if mkgmap does. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
2013/3/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: In France, we have some private housing estates where the streets are not named and the adresses are the housing estate name itself. For instance, the housing estate is called Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. The streets inside the etate are private access and are not officially named. I guess something we can find in many countries. so far I have only encountered private streets which did have official names or none at all, and I am not sure if I would set an unofficial name to a street, but maybe I would, given that it might be better to have any name than none (if there is a commonly used unofficial name, if not, obviously keep the street name blank). One of our contributor wants to keep the streets unnamed and put on houses addresses the following tags : addr:housenumber with the house number and addr:street with the housing estate name. And draw a surrounding polygon for the whole housing estate with name=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca and landuse=residential. Is this tagging correct ? Can we leave the streets unnamed or with the tag noname=yes ? Some QA tools or validators complain about a missing street for the addr:street=Lotissement Les Jardins de Tisca. Just ignore the warnings ? Or should we consider another addr tag instead of addr:street like addr:block or addr:place, addr:neighbourhood, addr:estate ? Is the housing estate correctly tagged with landuse=residential + name ? What is your current practice locally ? There is also the tag addr:full usable for all kinds of addresses that don't fit well with the standard scheme. I wouldn't use addr:housename when it is more than one house (i.e. if it's the name of the estate with several houses). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
2013/3/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is wrote: Since these are the names of the houses/estates, what'd be wrong with using addr:housename? Inside the area, you have 10, 20, 30 stand-alone houses and 2,3,4 unnamed streets. They all have the same housing estate name. what place does this belong to? Is it its own place=hamlet, oder part of another place (and therefor maybe place=neighbourhood)? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what place does this belong to? Is it its own place=hamlet, oder part of another place (and therefor maybe place=neighbourhood)? Hard to answer since neighbourhood is not easy to translate in our context. But we could, in some extent, say that the area is a neighbourhood place. Do you think about a tag such addr:neighbourhood=* ? or addr:place ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Footway as painted lane in highway
2013/3/26 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi I have a country lane where on one side has a dashed white line about 1.5m from the road edge a walking person symbol painted on the surface. It has no adjacent raised kerb footpath. What would be the best way to tag this? I'm thinking using footway=lane as a sub tag of 'highway=' in similar fashion to a cyclway. Is there a better way? have a look at (implicit) lane tagging in the wiki, there is some proposals how to do it. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra
I would map this as e dedicated footway connected to the zebra crossing on the main street. Volker On 26 March 2013 14:32, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and paint. This is the gate in a one-way school service roadhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.5351mlon=5.628629zoom=18layers=Mwhere parents drive and drop or pick the kids. Very wisely, the administration has painted what is better called a *passage pour piétons* than a *pedestrian crossing* because it does not *cross* a road but goes *along* on one half of it (it crosses the main road and the children continue to walk on it up to the gate (mark)). Unfortunately, the only OSM vision of a pedestrian crossing is a single node restricting it to be perpendicular to the road. HDITT, TIA? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't use addr:place as this should already be covered by addr:city (not only used for actual cities), but I could imagine an addr:neighbourhood (where neighbourhood would be a place part of a bigger settlement). If this is not in context of a bigger settlement I'd instinctively prefer to use its own place like place=hamlet (could be discussed, not sure). To clarify my case, the housing estate is never a settlement by itself. It is always a part of a bigger urbanized area like a village or town,city. If the settlement is a hamlet, we already know how to proceed. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging If someone mails a letter to a person living in this estate, how is it addressed? Person's name, house number, private street name, estate name, etc.? Person's name, house number without a street name, estate name, etc.? Person's name followed immediately by the estate name? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for it is better to think wrongly than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Address and street name inside a private housing estate
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If someone mails a letter to a person living in this estate, how is it addressed? Person's name, house number, private street name, estate name, etc.? Person's name, house number without a street name, estate name, etc.? Person's name followed immediately by the estate name? Person's name, house number, estate name, place name (town, village) For most address forms, I guess that the estate name is writen in the field called street name. Again, this is an exception case. I would also accept the full address solution. But I wanted to know how it is done somewhere else. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Footway as painted lane in highway
I would do the same. Met vriendelijke groeten Robert Elsenaar Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com schreef: Hi I have a country lane where on one side has a dashed white line about 1.5m from the road edge a walking person symbol painted on the surface. It has no adjacent raised kerb footpath. What would be the best way to tag this? I'm thinking using footway=lane as a sub tag of 'highway=' in similar fashion to a cyclway. Is there a better way? Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Historic huts
Hi all, Just wondering how best to tag the historic alpine huts we have in the mountains of southeast Australia. Some basic properties: - usually fully enclosed (4 walls and a roof) although not necessarily weatherproof - usually have fireplaces - sometimes in good enough condition to sleep in (bring your own mattress and bedding) - primarily of historical interest, rather than for accommodation. That is, you might have lunch in the hut, or camp next to it - you wouldn't hike without a tent and plan to sleep in the huts. (They often have rodent and/or snake inhabitants...) - could possibly be completely uninhabitable or ruined. (Hiking maps here typically don't make much distinction, they might say Smith Hut (ruins)) - typically built between 1850 and say 1920 by stockmen (cattle farmers). - only maintained for their heritage value - no one improves them, there's no hut warden or anything. Is this just an Australian thing? tourism=basic_hut seems like the closest, but still promises accommodation. I think most Australians would know what to expect, but there are frequent stories of unhappy Europeans expecting hot meals in the middle of nowhere... An example of a hut I visited on the weekend, Kelly Hut near Licola. Rough wooden walls, corrugated iron roof, stone chimney, dirt floor. There's a very rough sleeping platform (no mattresses), no table or chairs. The door is a sheet of corrugated iron. I'd have lunch in there, especially on a cold day, but I wouldn't sleep in there unless desperate. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Footway as painted lane in highway
Hi Dave, It sounds essentially like a sidewalk - the only distinction being that it's not raised above the road surface. So why not just use footway=sidewalk? The footway=lane tag sounds nice, but it sounds like such a rare occurrence that it will never get much rendering/routing support. Maybe if you want to be really accurate: highway=whatever, footway=sidewalk, sidewalk=lane. Steve On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi I have a country lane where on one side has a dashed white line about 1.5m from the road edge a walking person symbol painted on the surface. It has no adjacent raised kerb footpath. What would be the best way to tag this? I'm thinking using footway=lane as a sub tag of 'highway=' in similar fashion to a cyclway. Is there a better way? Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
