[Tagging] Proposed features landuse=open_defecation RFC Proposed under way 2019-10-07
I have covered this on previous posts but I think it is ready for RFC and then in two weeks voting. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation I have covered other options in the past eg landcover=open_defecation or open_defecation=yes but these were not appropriate or too vague Please discuss here or on discussion page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Cheers Bob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Draft: landuse=open_defecation vs landcover=open_defecation vs open_defecation=yes
Hi, I have a last draft for tagging open_defecation See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation However I came across landcover https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover landcover=open_defecation Which I think is more appropriate because that is what it is, it is not an officially sanctioned landuse. Originally it was open_defecation= yes Could I have a quick vote on which you prefer before it becomes a proposal Many thanks Bob___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation
I have reworked the page as per your instructions, please let me know if it still needs more clarification. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Cheers Bob > On 13 Sep 2019, at 03:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Thanks for working on this, Bob, > > Check out the page "Proposal_process" and in particular > Proposal_process#Creating_a_proposal_page to help improve the > formatting and make sure you've included important information. > > Please clarify exactly what should be mapped with this new tag. Is > going to be added to whole villages, as suggested in the section about > "open_defecation=yes? > > "It would have its own sign and could be used as a node or area. > Although it may be added to small villages to indicate if it is their > primary source of human waste disposal." > > This would not be a good idea, since it's not possible for mappers to > confirm that every house or a majority of houses in a village lack > latrines or toilet. But the rest of the page suggests that this tag is > supposed to be applied to areas where there are visible signs, in > other words, there's human feces exposed on the ground? > > There are a couple of problems with the proposed subtags. It's not > best practice to use abbreviations or uppercase letters in tags, so > instead of "ODA_" it should be "open_defecation_" or > "open_defecation:", if need. > > "ODA_Radius_.." "ODA_area_size..." - The first two subtags are not > needed - the area can be mapped instead, and this provides the shape > and size just from the position of the nodes in the database. > > "ODA_survey_date=" - there is already a tag for this, survey:date=* or > source:date=* , but it is recommended to add such information to the > changeset rather than to individual OSM objects. > > "ODA_responsibility=" is unclear. What would this mean, and how would > a local mapper in confirm this information? > > "ODA_proposed_solution=" - Unfortunately, this is not appropriate for > Openstreetmap. We map real, current features, not opinions, reviews or > suggestions, because such information is too subjective for individual > mappers to maintain. > > "ODA_abandoned=yes/no" - generally features in Openstreetmap should be > current, so if an area that was used for open defecation in the past > has now been abandoned, and there are no signs "on the ground", then > it should be removed from the database. Some mappers use a prefix > "abandoned:" like "abandoned:landuse=open_defecation". > > However, if the area is "disused" - not currently in use, but there > are still signs that it was recently used, and perhaps it's still a > health hazard because of the presence of decomposing human waste, this > could be tagged with "disused=yes". > > ODA_survey_hazardous materials_data_weblink= - I'm not sure what is > intended by this tag. Perhaps the existing tag url=* would be > sufficient? > > (I've also left these comments on the Talk page of the proposal, so we > can continue discussion there) > > -Joseph Eisenberg > >> On 9/12/19, Bob Kerr via Tagging wrote: >> I have created a proposal page for landuse=open defecation. >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation >> >> Please review it, my wiki page editing skills have suffered from lack of use >> so it could do with a little tidy if anyone wants to. >> >> Please discuss your thoughts here. The most controversial area is I am using >> the landuse tag rather than open_defication = yes. Please let me know which >> you would prefer. >> >> All the best >> >> Bob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation
I have created a proposal page for landuse=open defecation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Please review it, my wiki page editing skills have suffered from lack of use so it could do with a little tidy if anyone wants to. Please discuss your thoughts here. The most controversial area is I am using the landuse tag rather than open_defication = yes. Please let me know which you would prefer. All the best Bob___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas
Hi, Mapping areas for Open Defecation may be a little tricky in the web editor but no problem in JOSM. In many slums Open Defecation Areas(ODA) can be a lot bigger than the size of a house. Individual nodes would be used in places like between houses or dead ends. Some areas are so big they have become permanent. This is why I think the landuse tag is relevant to this situation. I can understand referencing google maps but their mapping in areas where they don’t get revenue is not that great. Cheers Bob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas
Hi, I agree with you, that is why I need everyone’s input before making the proposal I did consider using the toilet tag, unfortunately there is no toilet and it would give the area a feeling of respectability. If it is piled high with plastic bags, assorted rubbish and human piss and shit then it is more a sign that they need a toilet. It would definitely need a different symbol. I was thinking of a squatting man symbol Maybe “landuse=open_defecation_area” would be more appropriate but that may interfere with other land use tags. So I still lean towards open_defecation=yes Thoughts? Cheers Bob > On 10 Sep 2019, at 12:58, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > You are wanting to tag something that is identifiable on-the-ground. It could > be of great social value. What's not to like? The question is more about the > detail rather than whether it should happen. > > Has there been any discussion about > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets applying (or not) > to an open area? > >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:17 AM Bob Kerr via Tagging >> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Apologies if I started this conversation on the HOT list instead of here. I >> have been away for a while and my protocol is rusty. >> >> I believe that Watsan will stand for Water/Sanitation. It was probably an >> experiment by someone new. >> >> I also stated that 850 million people open defecate, but they are likely to >> use 10 different places a year. This was an unclear guesstimate. Apologies >> >> Proper Details here >> >> https://www.unicef.org/wash/files/UNICEF_Game_plan_to_end_open_defecation_2018.pdf >> >> For UN Sustainable development goal 6 >> >> https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg6 >> >> There is a community of people that are interested in hygiene: they are >> inspired by the famous broad street pump that was the first time cholera was >> spread by dirty water >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak >> >> This was made possible because they had a map. >> >> My inspiration is that if there is a map of Open Defication Areas(ODA) then >> it will inspire communities to do something about it. >> >> My personal favourite is using solar power to dry the faeces reducing the >> pathogen load, then burning it in a low oxygen environment to kill the last >> pathogens at 600C, this makes biochar/charcol. This makes a great soil >> additive, it has a large surface area, absorbs water and doesn’t degrade. >> This is carbon sequestration. Urine which is sterile makes an excellent >> fertiliser. >> >> Before this I need Open Defecation = yes for an area and a point rendered on >> the humanitarian Openstreetmap tile set. I know that people will be inspired >> to make this map and therefore add to the rest of the important features of >> the map. >> >> I am happy to make the proposal but I wanted to check if it is acceptable to >> the community first. >> >> shall I go ahead with the proposal? >> >> Cheers >> >> Bob >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas
Hi, Apologies if I started this conversation on the HOT list instead of here. I have been away for a while and my protocol is rusty. I believe that Watsan will stand for Water/Sanitation. It was probably an experiment by someone new. I also stated that 850 million people open defecate, but they are likely to use 10 different places a year. This was an unclear guesstimate. Apologies Proper Details here https://www.unicef.org/wash/files/UNICEF_Game_plan_to_end_open_defecation_2018.pdf For UN Sustainable development goal 6 https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg6 There is a community of people that are interested in hygiene: they are inspired by the famous broad street pump that was the first time cholera was spread by dirty water https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak This was made possible because they had a map. My inspiration is that if there is a map of Open Defication Areas(ODA) then it will inspire communities to do something about it. My personal favourite is using solar power to dry the faeces reducing the pathogen load, then burning it in a low oxygen environment to kill the last pathogens at 600C, this makes biochar/charcol. This makes a great soil additive, it has a large surface area, absorbs water and doesn’t degrade. This is carbon sequestration. Urine which is sterile makes an excellent fertiliser. Before this I need Open Defecation = yes for an area and a point rendered on the humanitarian Openstreetmap tile set. I know that people will be inspired to make this map and therefore add to the rest of the important features of the map. I am happy to make the proposal but I wanted to check if it is acceptable to the community first. shall I go ahead with the proposal? Cheers Bob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
