Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[johnw]

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Philip Barnes  wrote:
> 
>  A
> hook wouldn't be very secure.


The double hook in the picture would only let the dog off if the leash handle 
were opened and pulled upwards. Which is not really gonna happen with a dog. 

They did have some spring, closing hooks, but I imagine if the leash puts force 
on the spring, it gives. This double hook is much more secure - even more 
secure than someone’s bad knots ^^

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 12:42 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 10.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
> 
> >> I prefer leash_anchor over lead_hook because it is more generic and easier
> >> to understand.
> > Leash is AE, lead is BE.
> 
> 
> thanks for pointing this out. Unfortunately, lead is also a material (Pb), an 
> indication, a clue, etc while leash is almost always used in conjunction with 
> dogs.

One of the quirks of English, different pronunciation. A dog lead comes
from the verb to lead, as does leader.

> 
> What about dog_anchor_point? Sounds more shape neutral than hook to me.
> 
That sounds good, they are usually rings you can tie the dog lead to. A
hook wouldn't be very secure.

Actually it is one of those features that are so common I had not
considered mapping them before, it is something that most food shops
have.

Dog owners do of course also tie dogs to the bike parking bars,
especially if they are more visible from the shop :)

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 10.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb p...@trigpoint.me.uk:

>> I prefer leash_anchor over lead_hook because it is more generic and easier
>> to understand.
> Leash is AE, lead is BE.


thanks for pointing this out. Unfortunately, lead is also a material (Pb), an 
indication, a clue, etc while leash is almost always used in conjunction with 
dogs.

What about dog_anchor_point? Sounds more shape neutral than hook to me.

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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On Wed Jun 10 09:32:26 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 
> I prefer leash_anchor over lead_hook because it is more generic and easier
> to understand.
> 
Leash is AE, lead is BE.

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-06-10 10:03 GMT+02:00 johnw :

>
> They are made by a company called sunpole, and I have been seeing them
> installed at a lot of newer buildings all over my region lately, from
> stores to service areas on the tollway.
>
> some are wall mounted, others on prefab poles, like in the picture.
>
> searching the product name lead to a lot of links in Japanese ( “sunpole
> lead hook” ) .
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzQQ9cRsfxs (some video from youtube).
>
>
> http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/ouchimawari/cabinet/sunpole/lh_200_300.jpg?_ex=300x300&s=2&r=1
> dog parking icon!
>
> “lead_hook" is a really great tag name, as is “leash_anchor”.
>



yes, these are common in front of German convenience stores as well, often
called "dog parking"
https://www.absperrtechnik24.de/Hundeparkplatz+Clim.htm
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30845644@N04/3863782817
http://www.bilderbuch-koeln.de/bilder/k%C3%B6ln_neustadt_nord_hundeparkplatz_warten_aufs_herrchen_hund_parkplatz_tiere_c4c2128952_978x1304xin.jpeg

I prefer leash_anchor over lead_hook because it is more generic and easier
to understand.

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[johnw]

> 
> 
>  tie-off points for leashes to leave a dog unattended for a short time


Today I was out biking and I found one of the hooks for dog leashes. The name 
used on the pole was “lead hook”.

It was for leaving your dog outside a convenience store while you went in to 
get a drink on your dog walk. 



They are made by a company called sunpole, and I have been seeing them 
installed at a lot of newer buildings all over my region lately, from stores to 
service areas on the tollway.

some are wall mounted, others on prefab poles, like in the picture.

searching the product name lead to a lot of links in Japanese ( “sunpole lead 
hook” ) .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzQQ9cRsfxs 
 (some video from youtube).

http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/ouchimawari/cabinet/sunpole/lh_200_300.jpg?_ex=300x300&s=2&r=1
 

  dog parking icon!

“lead_hook" is a really great tag name, as is “leash_anchor”. 

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[johnw]

The supermarket chain in my region (Joyful Honda) has carts for pets, and also 
a pet boarding area (a kennel to check your poodle into while you shop). this 
is a single large store. 

So we’re talking about pet “sitting” as opposed to pet boarding (like a pet 
hotel). 

This is beyond the tie-off points for leashes to leave a dog unattended for a 
short time, and the pet relief areas. 





+1 to the confusion caused by “dog park” (a special park for dogs) - it would 
be "dog parking" at least - which is also kind of bad - but I found at least 
one “labeled" example. 

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/72/61/90/7261905faf9c0536bb80c9075e0492f6.jpg
 

 

The next time I am at a service area and spot one of the double-hooked pet 
leash anchors, I’ll take a picture - they have a company logo - perhaps their 
sales description would give us a proper name (“The worlds best FooBar” or 
whatnot). 

perhaps “leash_anchor_point", or something else involving leashes is better - 
as you cannot directly tie a dog to it, but the leash loop of the dog - and 
there are many people who deal with dogs without leashes.  This is in contrast 
to dog boarding and dog sitting, where the facility handles the dog directly 
with cages.

Also, almost without fail, the “leash anchor” is a point - as opposed to an 
area for a parking lot for some kind of transportation device. Sometimes it is 
a point on the wall an exiting structure.  

Hitching post sounds like a horse only amenity.  


Keeping the leash_anchor_point for pets separate from horses and cars seems 
like a good idea. 

Javbw




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> On 27/05/2015 9:16 AM, pmailkeey . wrote:
>> 
>> And more parking:
>> 
>> trolley_parking (near supermarkets)
>> pram_parking
>> Umbrella
>> coat
>> 
>> And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter, 
>> motorbikes...
>> 
>> 
> 
> You do not park a horse! Nor  a dog.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

The thread has diversified greatly... (as is normal...

the thread subject (pet relief Areas) refers to an area .. where 'pets' 
leave excrement.


There is also following discussion on
'hitching racks' (hitching rails or posts) = a bar or post where animal 
leads can be secured,
pet off lead exercise areas  = an area where pets can be let free .. 
usually surrounded by a fence and other things..


On 27/05/2015 3:13 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
No, it's about (e.g.) a metal bar outside a shop where a dog chained 
while the owner is inside.

Mike posted some pictures earlier on.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Dave Swarthout 
mailto:daveswarth...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog
relief area a place where dogs and other pets can leave excrement?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Bryce Nesbitt
mailto:bry...@obviously.com>> wrote:

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:

On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:

based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt
mailto:bry...@obviously.com>> wrote:

While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:

1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.


no tag yet


Hitching rails .. not racks?
none for horses yet .. so
amenity=hitching_rail
hitching_rail=horse, dog,


It's so much clearer for rendering to have a top level tag:

amenity=hitching_rail_dog
amenity=hitching_rail_horse

Then each community can work on their own tag definition.




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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 27.05.2015 um 01:16 schrieb pmailkeey . :
> 
> And more parking:
> 
> trolley_parking (near supermarkets)
> pram_parking
> Umbrella
> coat


an ashtray would be cigarette parking?


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Marc Gemis]

>
>>
>>
> The function is akin to car parking and bicycle parking. Sticking with
> that theme, we'd get dog parking and horse parking. A sign labelled 'dog
> park' tagged as dog parking has obvious links but the to tag a dog park
> sign with 'hitching rail' breaks the similarity - a similarity that would
> be language-independent on the basis that the 'park' part appears in both.
> It might be appropriate to go for:
>
> amenity=animal_parking
> dog_parking=yes
> horse_parking=no
>
> so that animal parking that accepts different sized animals can be tagged
> at one node with the use of subtags.
>
> 
>


so I can retag a veterinary with amenity=doctors, pet=yes, human=no ?  an
off-leash area for dogs with leisure=playground, dog=yes, child=no ? The
serve the same purpose, not ?


Generalization is fine (sometimes), but this proposal is over the top IMHO.

regards

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Marc Gemis]

No, it's about (e.g.) a metal bar outside a shop where a dog chained while
the owner is inside.
Mike posted some pictures earlier on.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a
> place where dogs and other pets can leave excrement?
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Bryce Nesbitt 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>>
>>> based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:

  1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.

>>>
>>>  no tag yet
>>>
>>>
>>> Hitching rails .. not racks?
>>> none for horses yet .. so
>>> amenity=hitching_rail
>>> hitching_rail=horse, dog,
>>>
>>
>> It's so much clearer for rendering to have a top level tag:
>>
>> amenity=hitching_rail_dog
>> amenity=hitching_rail_horse
>>
>> Then each community can work on their own tag definition.
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

On 27/05/2015 9:16 AM, pmailkeey . wrote:


And more parking:

trolley_parking (near supermarkets)
pram_parking
Umbrella
coat

And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility 
scooter, motorbikes...





You do not park a horse! Nor  a dog.

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Dave Swarthout]

I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a
place where dogs and other pets can leave excrement?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:
>>>
>>>  1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.
>>>
>>
>>  no tag yet
>>
>>
>> Hitching rails .. not racks?
>> none for horses yet .. so
>> amenity=hitching_rail
>> hitching_rail=horse, dog,
>>
>
> It's so much clearer for rendering to have a top level tag:
>
> amenity=hitching_rail_dog
> amenity=hitching_rail_horse
>
> Then each community can work on their own tag definition.
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Riding
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt 
> wrote:
>
>>  While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:
>>
>>  1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.
>>
>
>  no tag yet
>
>
> Hitching rails .. not racks?
> none for horses yet .. so
> amenity=hitching_rail
> hitching_rail=horse, dog,
>

It's so much clearer for rendering to have a top level tag:

amenity=hitching_rail_dog
amenity=hitching_rail_horse

Then each community can work on their own tag definition.


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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And more parking:

trolley_parking (near supermarkets)
pram_parking
Umbrella
coat

And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter,
motorbikes...

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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On 26 May 2015 at 07:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt 
> wrote:
>
>>  While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:
>>
>>  1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.
>>
>
>  no tag yet
>
>
> Hitching rails .. not racks?
> none for horses yet .. so
> amenity=hitching_rail
> hitching_rail=horse, dog,
>
>
>
>
The function is akin to car parking and bicycle parking. Sticking with that
theme, we'd get dog parking and horse parking. A sign labelled 'dog park'
tagged as dog parking has obvious links but the to tag a dog park sign with
'hitching rail' breaks the similarity - a similarity that would be
language-independent on the basis that the 'park' part appears in both. It
might be appropriate to go for:

amenity=animal_parking
dog_parking=yes
horse_parking=no

so that animal parking that accepts different sized animals can be tagged
at one node with the use of subtags.


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:

based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt > wrote:


While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:

1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.


no tag yet


Hitching rails .. not racks?
none for horses yet .. so
amenity=hitching_rail
hitching_rail=horse, dog,


2) A place for unleashed dog play and socialization.


leisure=dog_park

3) Place to obtain dog waste bags.


 amenity=vending_machine.
vending = excrement_bags

4) Pet service areas, including a dedicated place for pets to
defecate, possibly indoors.  This is not just for dogs.


no tag yet

Plus
5) Kennels and other pet boarding centers.


amenity=animal_shelter
can be specified further

6) Shops with food and supplies.


shop=pet

Some supermarkets stock these.


Edits to the wiki

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park
replace amenity=drinking_water with amenity=watering_place /for animals 
to drink water/

added waste=dog_excrement to amenity=waste_basket


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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal
has amenity=dog_bin - should be replaced! amenity=waste_basket, 
waste=dog_excrement


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:
>
> 1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.
>

no tag yet


> 2) A place for unleashed dog play and socialization.
>

leisure=dog_park


> 3) Place to obtain dog waste bags.
>

 amenity=vending_machine.
vending = excrement_bags


>
> 4) Pet service areas, including a dedicated place for pets to defecate,
> possibly indoors.  This is not just for dogs.
>
>
no tag yet


> Plus
> 5) Kennels and other pet boarding centers.
>

amenity=animal_shelter
can be specified further


> 6) Shops with food and supplies.
>
>
shop=pet
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:

1) Hitching racks for temporarily restraining a dog.
2) A place for unleashed dog play and socialization.
3) Place to obtain dog waste bags.
4) Pet service areas, including a dedicated place for pets to defecate,
possibly indoors.  This is not just for dogs.

Plus
5) Kennels and other pet boarding centers.
6) Shops with food and supplies.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[John Eldredge]

We will need to use different tags for the two concepts, however.



On May 25, 2015 3:43:47 PM "pmailkeey ."  wrote:


On 25 May 2015 at 19:32, John Eldredge  wrote:

>   In the USA, a "dog park" is an area of a public park, often enclosed by
> a fence, where you are allowed to play with your dog off-leash. In other
> sections of the park, or in an entire park if no section is designated as a
> dog park, you are likely to be cited and fined for letting your dog run
> free.
>
> On May 25, 2015 10:56:55 AM "pmailkeey ." 
> wrote:
>
>> We'll be moving on to 'dog parks' next. That's places to park your dog
>> (outside) while you visit a shop, for instance. It seems they do this in
>> Rome - for a start.
>>
>

A couple of examples for dog parks (place to park your dog):

http://static.turistipercaso.it/image/s/sardegna/sardegna_5yv6e.T0.jpg
http://aprireunbar.com/wp-content/uploads/foto-73.jpg


It's a good job we can use different icons ! P with a dog v a greened area
with icon showing 2 dogs playing.


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On 25 May 2015 at 19:32, John Eldredge  wrote:

>   In the USA, a "dog park" is an area of a public park, often enclosed by
> a fence, where you are allowed to play with your dog off-leash. In other
> sections of the park, or in an entire park if no section is designated as a
> dog park, you are likely to be cited and fined for letting your dog run
> free.
>
> On May 25, 2015 10:56:55 AM "pmailkeey ." 
> wrote:
>
>> We'll be moving on to 'dog parks' next. That's places to park your dog
>> (outside) while you visit a shop, for instance. It seems they do this in
>> Rome - for a start.
>>
>

A couple of examples for dog parks (place to park your dog):

http://static.turistipercaso.it/image/s/sardegna/sardegna_5yv6e.T0.jpg
http://aprireunbar.com/wp-content/uploads/foto-73.jpg


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

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In the USA, a "dog park" is an area of a public park, often enclosed by a 
fence, where you are allowed to play with your dog off-leash. In other 
sections of the park, or in an entire park if no section is designated as a 
dog park, you are likely to be cited and fined for letting your dog run free.




On May 25, 2015 10:56:55 AM "pmailkeey ."  wrote:


We'll be moving on to 'dog parks' next. That's places to park your dog
(outside) while you visit a shop, for instance. It seems they do this in
Rome - for a start.

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We'll be moving on to 'dog parks' next. That's places to park your dog
(outside) while you visit a shop, for instance. It seems they do this in
Rome - for a start.

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

Here's another example of this type of feature:
http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2014/04/16/brisbane-airport-opens-australias-first-assistance-animals-facility/
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

On 19/05/2015 8:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:





Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt >:


A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park

A pet relief area is a toilet.
Different feature.



OK, from my ignorant perspective also dog parks seemed like huge 
toilets;-)




Some use them as such. And most pets when in a large area and feeling 
the need .. simply toilet then and there. And pets tend to introduce 
their scent to the same spot.
I used to 'play' in one or two of those areas before it was made a 'dog 
park'. I don't go to those areas any more. Pity .. the wind for kite 
flying was good in one of them.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt :
> 
> A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park
> A pet relief area is a toilet.
> Different feature.


OK, from my ignorant perspective also dog parks seemed like huge toilets;-)

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[johnw]

> On May 19, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  > wrote:
> Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt  >:
> 
>> Note 1:
>> I'd rather duck tag this as an "amenity=pet_relief_area / dog_facilities=yes 
>> / cat_facilities=no", but I have long since come to the conclusion that 
>> tagging for the current rendering is necessary.
> 
> around here there is leisure=dog_park in use:
> eg 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/131188810#map=19/41.86548/12.50411&layers=D 
> \
> 
> A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park 
> 
> A pet relief area is a toilet.
> Different feature.

+1 

There are dog parks (and dog beaches) where off-the-leash frolicking is 
allowed. Also, there are some are fenced areas inside larger parks - but the 
idea that you bring a tennis ball and have your dog run around is the main 
feature. 

these “relief areas” are 5m from the parking lot service roads for SAs and PAs 
on the motorway (with no barrier), and like the smoking area, its a small area 
to do your stinky business away from the busy entrances of the toilets and 
small shops. the biggest ones I have seen so far are roughly 10x10m - and has 
several statues of pets urinating or deficating, in case you were confused 
about it’s purpose. 

It’s like the difference between a sink and a pool. I’m not a dog owner, but 
there are a ton of these specialty areas in large facilities in Japan (and I 
imagine elsewhere). 

Javbw

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt :
>
> *Note 1:*
> I'd rather duck tag this as an "*amenity=pet_relief_area /
> dog_facilities=yes / cat_facilities=no*", but I have long since come to
> the conclusion that tagging for the current rendering is necessary.
>
> around here there is leisure=dog_park in use:
> eg
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/131188810#map=19/41.86548/12.50411&layers=D
> \
>

A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park
A pet relief area is a toilet.
Different feature.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt :
> 
> Note 1:
> I'd rather duck tag this as an "amenity=pet_relief_area / dog_facilities=yes 
> / cat_facilities=no", but I have long since come to the conclusion that 
> tagging for the current rendering is necessary.


around here there is leisure=dog_park in use:
eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/131188810#map=19/41.86548/12.50411&layers=D

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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:32 AM, John Willis  wrote:
> Since so may people in Japan travel with small dogs, most parking areas
and many service areas have "pet areas" (I think they are called), where
you can let your dog out of the car and walk them or let them deficate.
This is not an enclosed space - there are no fences or facilities.
> They are there specifically to let your pet "relieve" themselves.
> I believe the fenced-in no-leash areas are called dog runs.
> Could these airport areas for pets be be the same thing as my PA/SA areas?

+1

For the same feature I mapped thusly:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/346028062/history


But I was lucky in that there was an "vending=excrement_bags" to map within
it.

   -Bryce

*Note 1:*
I'd rather duck tag this as an "*amenity=pet_relief_area /
dog_facilities=yes / cat_facilities=no*", but I have long since come to the
conclusion that tagging for the current rendering is necessary.
There are few if any mapped pet relief areas: it will be a long time before
such a feature is rendered on
any map.  *vending=excrement_bags* has tagging strength, and while it is an
imperfect fit for the data, it's a better fit for the current rendering,
and more likely to be accepted for rendering in the foreseeable future.

*Note 2:*
The same feature is now common in high end multifamily buildings.
This feature type has the potential to draw new mappers to the OSM project.

*Note 3:*
See also https://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/animal-relief-chart.jsp
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[John F. Eldredge]

From my experience, rest areas along the US Interstate Highway system 
(motorways in OSM terms) usually have a designated area for this, generally on 
the opposite side of the parking lot from the building holding human restrooms, 
so that there is a reduced risk of stepping in a pet dropping for the general 
public.


On May 15, 2015 2:32:25 AM CDT, John Willis  wrote:
> Since so may people in Japan travel with small dogs, most parking
> areas and many service areas have "pet areas" (I think they are
> called), where you can let your dog out of the car and walk them or
> let them deficate. This is not an enclosed space - there are no fences
> or facilities. 
> 
> They are there specifically to let your pet "relieve" themselves. 
> 
> I believe the fenced-in no-leash areas are called dog runs.
> 
> Could these airport areas for pets be be the same thing as my PA/SA
> areas?
> 
> Javbw. 
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 15, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bryce Nesbitt 
> wrote:
> > 
> > These stations are in facilities such as airports,
> > and they are open to whatever animal needs them:
> > pets, service dogs, and unruly children as appropriate.
> > Many of them are indoors.
> > 
> > Since they are likely to include access to dog waste bags, they
> could be a subtag under vending.  Ugh.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[John Willis]

Since so may people in Japan travel with small dogs, most parking areas and 
many service areas have "pet areas" (I think they are called), where you can 
let your dog out of the car and walk them or let them deficate. This is not an 
enclosed space - there are no fences or facilities. 

They are there specifically to let your pet "relieve" themselves. 

I believe the fenced-in no-leash areas are called dog runs.

Could these airport areas for pets be be the same thing as my PA/SA areas?

Javbw. 



> On May 15, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> 
> These stations are in facilities such as airports,
> and they are open to whatever animal needs them:
> pets, service dogs, and unruly children as appropriate.
> Many of them are indoors.
> 
> Since they are likely to include access to dog waste bags, they could be a 
> subtag under vending.  Ugh.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

These stations are in facilities such as airports,
and they are open to whatever animal needs them:
pets, service dogs, and unruly children as appropriate.
Many of them are indoors.

Since they are likely to include access to dog waste bags, they could be a
subtag under vending.  Ugh.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

On 15/05/2015 10:11 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

The stations I'm talking about are often indoors.
See the linked PDF in the original message.
That document applies to 'service animals' .. such as guide dogs for the 
blind. Those are specific... not the general 'pet' as in the subject line.


For example they may be in an international transit zone in an airport 
where neither the passenger nor the animal may leave

to access the outside.

These definitely do not double as cricket pitches.


True.
Do you want to specifically do only those 'service animal' areas? Or are 
you after the general 'pet'?


I'd think the general pet first .. then if required the specific 
'service animal' areas?


Oh .. and someone will raise the 'indoor tagging' thing... just to try 
and confuse the issue. Ondoor tagging should be adressed by 'indoor 
tagging' not by this discussion.


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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

The stations I'm talking about are often indoors.
See the linked PDF in the original message.
For example they may be in an international transit zone in an airport
where neither the passenger nor the animal may leave
to access the outside.

These definitely do not double as cricket pitches.
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Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Warin]

On 15/05/2015 5:14 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

How might we tag "Pet Relief Areas"
http://opendoorsnfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ReliefGuideRev.pdf

This is not:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags
or
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddog_bin
or
dog_waste_bin or a variety of other tags, though it probably 
incorporates one.




These are usually in close proximity to one another. Some are used for 
sport (e.g. cricket, soccer) too.


as the leisure= tag would already be used for those areas ... the 
overused amenity key? amenity=pet_relief ?


-
amenity=dog_bin should be depreciated for amenity=dog_waste_bin or 
similar .. unless you have a dead dog?


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[Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

[Bryce Nesbitt]

How might we tag "Pet Relief Areas"
http://opendoorsnfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ReliefGuideRev.pdf

This is not:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags
or
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddog_bin
or
dog_waste_bin or a variety of other tags, though it probably incorporates
one.
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