Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya  wrote:
> 
> As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm than 
> good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in francophone 
> Africa and you will see the mess...


just because a tag isn't used as it should in a certain area of the world 
doesn't mean the tag doesn't work. You could say (or have said) the same for 
highway=track
Looking at areas with relatively recent/ still kind of immature mapping (few 
active on the ground mappers, etc.) also doesn't prove anything. Once a problem 
is detected you can work to solve it, e.g. write to the individual mappers from 
your overpass query results above, improve the french wiki: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:shop%3Dboutique (btw: it doesn't 
explicitly say it is limited to clothes, neither in French nor in English), etc.

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

"sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
while "sales" is a noun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun

British & World English
"The exchange of a commodity for money; the action of selling something"
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sale

North American English
"The exchange of a commodity for money; the action of selling something"
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/sale

Example sentences :

 ‘The overall annual quantity of our beef sales to Egypt when
translated into live cattle equivalent amounts to 450,000 animals.’
‘Conflicting evidence suggests that swapping music either increases
or reduces CD *sales*.’
‘Imagined relationships are a part of the TV shopping channel
experience that increases *sales*.’
‘Over a period of time, the increase in *sales* starts to slow down
and this is known as the maturity stage.’
‘A survey released by the CBI has revealed that traders nationally
are facing a slower festive period with *sales* not as high as last year.’
‘Larger music companies say they'll reduce prices on the coolest CDs
in an effort to boost *sales* and reduce piracy.’
‘All divisions reported increased *sales* and either reduced losses
or improved earnings.’
‘Combine quick load times with great products as well as great
prices and your *sales* will start to sky rocket.’
‘If it is priced wisely, Octavia *sales* next year should increase
even further.’
‘While Nan Fung achieved solid *sales* by cutting prices, market
sources said other developers were unlikely to follow suit.’
‘Profits in Spain and Poland were reduced by price cuts, and *sales*
also slipped in Belgium and Ukraine.’
‘But when prices fall, *sales* generally increase, offsetting some
of the decrease in revenue.’
‘Margiotta said figures for the current year would show increases
and that *sales* at its new shop in Dundas Street were above target.’
‘The company says that on an annualised basis it will reduce *sales*
and marketing costs by £15 million a year.’
‘Marks and Spencer reported its first increase in quarterly clothing
*sales* for nearly three years with sales in Irish shops still on the rise.’
‘However, expectations are extremely high for the year ahead such
that three of four repair shops are expecting *sales* to increase.’
‘The shop targets to achieve *sales* worth Rs.23 crores during the
current financial year.’
‘It seems that this year's photography *sales* have started pushing
prices into areas once traditionally associated with paintings or
sculpture.’
‘The fall of the dollar has further weakened the company because the
value of its US *sales* were reduced when converted back to euro.’
‘The fear is that corporate profits have been boosted by cost
cutting, not increased *sales* and prices from a revival of the economy.’



Am 03.09.2017 um 00:53 schrieb Warin:
> On 03-Sep-17 03:19 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:
>> Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :
>>
>> shoes:sales=yes
>
> No, not 'sales'
>
> SELLS.
>
> 'Sales' are short term events where prices are (probably) lowered -
> usually at the end of season.
>  Do not use 'sales' as a tag.
>
> 'Sells' says something is available for purchase.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Warin]

On 03-Sep-17 03:19 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:

Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :

shoes:sales=yes


No, not 'sales'

SELLS.

'Sales' are short term events where prices are (probably) lowered - 
usually at the end of season.

 Do not use 'sales' as a tag.

'Sells' says something is available for purchase.

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :

shop=clothes
clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport
clothes:for=woman/men/children
clothes:repair=yes
clothes:rental=no
shoes:sales=yes

the "for" key is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Whom_is_served_by_the_facility
sales, rental, repair is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle


Am 02.09.2017 um 10:58 schrieb Rafael Avila Coya:
> +1
>
> And, IMHO, it would be smarter to drop shop=fashion and shop=boutique
> and incorporate it to the clothes=* tag, that has already
> clothes=children, clothes=women, etc. So if you have a shop that is
> "fashion" and women only, you could tag it as
>
> shop=clothes
> clothes=women;fashion
>
> As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm
> than good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in
> francophone Africa and you will see the mess...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 01/09/17 19:13, Severin Menard wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
>> From: Jean-Marc Liotier >
>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>>  > >
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
>> Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I still don't understand the need for anything other than
>> shop=clothes
>> used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
>> why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
>> they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an
>> attitude.
>>
>> shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the
>> workshop
>> that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden
>> urinal
>> that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Rafael Avila Coya]

+1

And, IMHO, it would be smarter to drop shop=fashion and shop=boutique 
and incorporate it to the clothes=* tag, that has already 
clothes=children, clothes=women, etc. So if you have a shop that is 
"fashion" and women only, you could tag it as


shop=clothes
clothes=women;fashion

As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm than 
good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in 
francophone Africa and you will see the mess...


Cheers,

Rafael.

On 01/09/17 19:13, Severin Menard wrote:


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
From: Jean-Marc Liotier >
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
 >
Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes
used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude.

shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the workshop
that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden urinal
that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?


+1



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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Severin Menard]

> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
> From: Jean-Marc Liotier 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
> Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes
> used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
> why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
> they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude.
>
> shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the workshop
> that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden urinal
> that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?
>

+1
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