Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com writes: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant. No argument with the reality, but note that in the US parcel means an area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the registry of deeds) and can be bought and sold. I suspect that your entire allotments area is one parcel and that the per-person areas are not parcels in the legal sense. In the US, that's definitely the case for the community garden in my town. I think the real objection was to landuse=. We don't micromap within landuse. For example, we don't have landuse=retail:parking:grass_between_aisles but just landuse=retail for the entire area - probably in most cases a PARCEL on which the facility is located. pgpgAZCTm_6AG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
2013/9/21 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com No argument with the reality, but note that in the US parcel means an area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the registry of deeds) and can be bought and sold. I suspect that your entire allotments area is one parcel and that the per-person areas are not parcels in the legal sense. In the US, that's definitely the case for the community garden in my town. yes, in Germany it is similar (see also the link above to an actual example of parcels and allotments), allotments are mostly on several parcels but much fewer than the plots into which they are divided. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37:01PM +0100, Lukas Hornby wrote: Hi, For your consideration, please read and comment on my proposal to improve the way that allotments, particularly plots on allotments are tagged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplot My initial reaction is that landuse=allotments is clear and immediately understandable, but landuse=plot is not. One might wonder whether this is USA usage, or a building plot or ... . What about a subtag? Or maybe allotments becomes a relation with plot as a role? Removing an existing tag (allotments) from am initial survey and then adding multiple plots on a later more detailed survey makes me uncomfortable. Just an initial reaction: I haven't given this more than a minute or two of thought... ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Lukas Hornby wrote: In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in rare cases. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and elsewhere) but a useful comparison, as the ethos and values are usually similar. In addition to the UK I've seen allotments in other places in Europe, but not in the US - does the concept even exist over there? In order to see what other mappers have done, I'd be tempted to use taginfo http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/. From http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=allotments#overview you can use Overpass Turbo (the steering wheel to the right of the JOSM link) to search for examples of that tag in a particular area. Once you found them, you may see how they've been subdivided. Another possibity would be to ask on the IRC channel #osm-gb - from memory I think a couple of people there may have allotments, or possibly on the talk-gb list, where you might get more people familiar with the idea. Generally the OSM approach is map all the things! rather than map some of the things, making sure that everything is categorised absolutely correctly. That's not without its problems (as pointed out in the lack of concensus https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-September/014796.html thread) but allowing people to add stuff local to them without necessarily worrying about correct tagging has got OSM to where it is now. It may well be that almost no-one has mapped allotment plots before**, which may mean that you get to pick some scheme that works for you. It'll almost certainly mean that there's no existing map that renders the data that you're interested in, so you'll get the chance to create that too. Cheers, Andy ** Actually, a quick search finds this wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Allotments_Project, so I'd probably start by asking some of the people mentioned there (mostly in the West Mids of England, I think). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
2013/9/18 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk It may well be that almost no-one has mapped allotment plots before**, looking a bit around in Berlin, which in some areas is full of allotment gardens, relieves that some areas are indeed mapped up to the plot. They simply used landuse=allotments on a singular plot: e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/136844597 (didn't make an extensive research, just something I found on the fly). If you look around in northern Berlin you can see lots and lots of allotment gardens, all mapped with their name and mostly with the names of the paths inside, but hardly up to the single plot. cheers, Martin btw.: the Germans and the Austrians even have a distinct law for allotment gardens ;-) http://www.kleingartenweb.de/60/at/obuklgg.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bkleingg/BJNR002100983.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:22 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Lukas Hornby wrote: In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in rare cases. The rare cases include when a word means something different in British and American English. Part of the problem was this proposal didn't explain the proposal other than by using the same word as the tag, which left the reader to use the terms that they would use in normal speech. But just as OSM uses soccer instead of football, when there's a term conflict between British and American English, usually another term is found that's more accurate. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and elsewhere) but a useful comparison, as the ethos and values are usually similar. I still have yet to find a definition of lot. Can someone point me to one that is unabigious, from Wikipedia or a dictionary? Wikipedia's definition of lot is the same as my own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot (that is what comes up when you type land plot into wikipedia) And the term in usage: http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=3034 Despite searching the web, I can't find a definition to match your usage. In addition to the UK I've seen allotments in other places in Europe, but not in the US - does the concept even exist over there? We can't say until we know what the definition is, but my experience is that with a country that's as large and diverse as the US, it probably exists somewhere, whatever it is. Generally the OSM approach is map all the things! rather than map some of the things, making sure that everything is categorised absolutely correctly. That's not without its problems (as pointed out in the lack of concensus thread) but allowing people to add stuff local to them without necessarily worrying about correct tagging has got OSM to where it is now. Yes. That's the right way. It may well be that almost no-one has mapped allotment plots before**, which may mean that you get to pick some scheme that works for you. It'll almost certainly mean that there's no existing map that renders the data that you're interested in, so you'll get the chance to create that too. I've seen community gardens mapped. It may make sense, if they're similar, to hang off that tag. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
2013/9/18 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? taking into account that this is about a subdivison of landuse=allotments and not applotments it sounds reasonable to use lot ;-) btw.: applotment seems to be an unmodern synonymon for allotment=division of land into (p)lots. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? Colin On 2013-09-18 16:35, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 09/18/2013 09:17 AM, fly wrote: Am 18.09.2013 11:26, schrieb Lukas Hornby: Hi, Thanks for all your comments so far, very constructive. I've updated the comments to hopefully answer all of your concerns. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:landuse%3Dplot#Comments [1] In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and elsewhere) but a useful comparison, as the ethos and values are usually similar. I'm aware the title is too generic. being new to OSM i'm not sure whether hierarchical tags (in a taxonomy) are encoraged or adjectival tags? First thing to consider would be that your intension is to map alloments' plots. As already mentioned this does not fit under landuse. Second; Should/Could this tag be used besides alloments ? There is ammenity=parking_space but I think it is the only tag describing parcels/lots. If you decide to only use it for alloments a sim! ple alloment:lot=yes would work as areas within landuse=alloment. Lots of alloments I know have fences between the single lots so be prepared to find lots of multipolygons as you would need one for each lot to proper define the ref=*. Note that the word under discussion is plot, not lot. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [2] Links: -- [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:landuse%3Dplot#Comments [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Well, in American usage, a lot refers to a larger piece of land, such as you might buy to build your house upon; a plot refers to a smaller piece, such as a gardener might plant vegetables in. I know that allotment refers to a tract of land in which multiple people rent smaller sections to grow vegetables or flowers for their own use. Since a garden in British usage refers to all of the land surrounding one's residence, what would Britons call the portion of one own's land in which one grows vegetables, what Americans would refer to as a garden? It wouldn't logically be an allotment, since you are doing it on your own property., -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: taking into account that this is about a subdivison of landuse=allotments and not applotments it sounds reasonable to use lot ;-) I note the smiley, but FWIW they're a different root, apparently: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allot http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lot Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? Colin On 2013-09-18 16:35, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 09/18/2013 09:17 AM, fly wrote: Am 18.09.2013 11:26, schrieb Lukas Hornby: Hi, Thanks for all your comments so far, very constructive. I've updated the comments to hopefully answer all of your concerns. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:landuse%3Dplot#Comments In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and elsewhere) but a useful comparison, as the ethos and values are usually similar. I'm aware the title is too generic. being new to OSM i'm not sure whether hierarchical tags (in a taxonomy) are encoraged or adjectival tags? First thing to consider would be that your intension is to map alloments' plots. As already mentioned this does not fit under landuse. Second; Should/Could this tag be used besides alloments ? There is ammenity=parking_space but I think it is the only tag describing parcels/lots. If you decide to only use it for alloments a simple alloment:lot=yes would work as areas within landuse=alloment. Lots of alloments I know have fences between the single lots so be prepared to find lots of multipolygons as you would need one for each lot to proper define the ref=*. Note that the word under discussion is plot, not lot. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Well, in American usage, a lot refers to a larger piece of land, such as you might buy to build your house upon; a plot refers to a smaller piece, such as a gardener might plant vegetables in. I know that allotment refers to a tract of land in which multiple people rent smaller sections to grow vegetables or flowers for their own use. Since a garden in British usage refers to all of the land surrounding one's residence, what would Britons call the portion of one own's land in which one grows vegetables, what Americans would refer to as a garden? It wouldn't logically be an allotment, since you are doing it on your own property., vegetable patch for a simple area, or if more designed/architected, kitchen garden ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On 18/09/2013 12:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
I still have yet to find a definition of lot. Can someone point me
to one that is unabigious, from Wikipedia or a dictionary? Wikipedia's
definition of lot is the same as my own:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot (that is what comes up when you
type land plot into wikipedia) And the term in usage:
http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=3034 Despite searching the web, I can't
find a definition to match your usage.
In addition to the UK I've seen allotments in other places in Europe, but
not in the US - does the concept even exist over there?
We can't say until we know what the definition is, but my experience
is that with a country that's as large and diverse as the US, it
probably exists somewhere, whatever it is.
From the Oxford English Dictionary...
'plot' = 'A fairly small piece of ground, esp. one used for a specified
purpose, such as building or gardening, etc.'. Also: 'orig. N. Amer. =
burial plot n. [...] Freq. in family plot.'
'allotment' = 'A share, portion, or amount of something that has been
allotted to someone.' Hence:
'A share or portion of land assigned to a person, or appropriated for a
particular purpose; a plot.' And more specifically:
'orig. Brit. A small plot of land rented, typically from a local
authority, by an individual for growing vegetables or flowers or for
keeping small livestock, such as hens and rabbits.
'Allotments are usually associated with urban locations, although the
earliest examples relate to the letting of land to agricultural
labourers as a measure to relieve their poverty after land enclosure
(cf. allotment system n. at Compounds 2). Each allotment should not
exceed a quarter of an acre and produce must be solely for the
consumption of the allotment holder, as specified in the Allotments Act
of 1922. Allotments became especially popular in Great Britain during
the world wars of 1914–18 and 1939–45, as a means of alleviating food
shortages.'
Derived from the verb 'allot' ('To give or assign (something) to someone
authoritatively, without the recipient having any control; to distribute
(shares, duties, etc.) among a number of people; to apportion.'), which
in turn derives from:
'lot' = 'An object (app. usually a piece of wood) used in a widely
diffused ancient method of deciding disputes, dividing plunder or
property, selecting persons for an office or duty, etc., by an appeal to
chance or the divine agency supposed to be concerned in the results of
chance.' Hence:
'What falls to a person by lot. a. That which is assigned by lot to a
person as his share or portion in an inheritance, or in a distribution
of property; a division or share of property made by lot.' Hence:
'(Now chiefly U.S.) A plot or portion of land assigned by the state to a
particular owner. Hence, any piece of land divided off or set apart for
a particular purpose, e.g. for building or pasture.'
Also: 'One of the plots or portions in which a tract of land is divided
when offered for sale. Also, land round a film studio where outside
filming may be done.'
--
Steve
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Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Am 18.09.2013 19:15, schrieb Lukas Hornby: In terms of procedure, should I rename the proposal, or abandon it and start a new? Renaming should be Ok as it was not tagged much and is only a few days old. Maybe right a note about landuse=* and why renaming. cu fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On 18/09/13 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote: HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point. I am moved to resubmit this proposal under the name allotments:allotment_garden. This seems to be as close to universal as can be achieved. Where the concept of allotments doesn't exist, then the tag is not useful in that region. Why? Everyone who has an allotment would call the individual rented area a 'plot' or their 'allotment', but never an allotment garden. An allotment site is made of plots, probably with tracks or paths between the plots and possibly with shared areas such as parking, a communal store or shed and water tanks or taps. This also paves the way for another useful sub-divison of allotments, allotments:community_garden. A previous proposal was made here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Community_food_growing which made the same mistakes I did in using 'landuse' incorrectly. This tag would apply to allotment areas used by the community rather than the individual and is consistent with the concept of an allotment in the US. In terms of procedure, should I rename the proposal, or abandon it and start anew? -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On 09/18/2013 11:45 AM, Dan S wrote: 2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? Colin On 2013-09-18 16:35, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 09/18/2013 09:17 AM, fly wrote: Am 18.09.2013 11:26, schrieb Lukas Hornby: Hi, Thanks for all your comments so far, very constructive. I've updated the comments to hopefully answer all of your concerns. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:landuse%3Dplot#Comments In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and elsewhere) but a useful comparison, as the ethos and values are usually similar. I'm aware the title is too generic. being new to OSM i'm not sure whether hierarchical tags (in a taxonomy) are encoraged or adjectival tags? First thing to consider would be that your intension is to map alloments' plots. As already mentioned this does not fit under landuse. Second; Should/Could this tag be used besides alloments ? There is ammenity=parking_space but I think it is the only tag describing parcels/lots. If you decide to only use it for alloments a simple alloment:lot=yes would work as areas within landuse=alloment. Lots of alloments I know have fences between the single lots so be prepared to find lots of multipolygons as you would need one for each lot to proper define the ref=*. Note that the word under discussion is plot, not lot. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Well, in American usage, a lot refers to a larger piece of land, such as you might buy to build your house upon; a plot refers to a smaller piece, such as a gardener might plant vegetables in. I know that allotment refers to a tract of land in which multiple people rent smaller sections to grow vegetables or flowers for their own use. Since a garden in British usage refers to all of the land surrounding one's residence, what would Britons call the portion of one own's land in which one grows vegetables, what Americans would refer to as a garden? It wouldn't logically be an allotment, since you are doing it on your own property., vegetable patch for a simple area, or if more designed/architected, kitchen garden Would such an area of land, used for cultivating flowers, then be classed as a flower garden? American usage is to refer to vegetable gardens, flower gardens, and (collectively) to gardens. We sometimes see the term kitchen garden used for growing vegetables, but vegetable garden is more common. I remember seeing, on trips to Europe in 1969 and 1974, many small allotment gardens tucked into railroad yards in Germany and Switzerland, probably for use by railroad employees. Any section of land of more than a few square meters, that wasn't covered by tracks, seemed to be under cultivation. I did wonder about how healthy it would be to eat vegetables grown in land contaminated by oil, metallic dust, and untreated human waste (the train toilets discharged directly onto the tracks below). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point. I am moved to resubmit this proposal under the name allotments:allotment_garden. This seems to be as close to universal as can be achieved. Where the concept of allotments doesn't exist, then the tag is not useful in that region. This also paves the way for another useful sub-divison of allotments, allotments:community_garden. A previous proposal was made here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Community_food_growingwhich made the same mistakes I did in using 'landuse' incorrectly. This tag would apply to allotment areas used by the community rather than the individual and is consistent with the concept of an allotment in the US. In terms of procedure, should I rename the proposal, or abandon it and start anew? Thanks, Lukas Hornby (Developer -Grow Bradford) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
On 18/09/2013 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote: HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point. ...or alternatively: it's clear a tag for an individual plot is needed, but after that point it got bikeshedded to death. I will try stating what is needed as clearly as I can: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant. We already tag the whole site as landuse=allotments and we just need to mark individual plots with allotment[s]=plot(*). This makes it clear it's an allotment plot we're talking about, not anything else. Each plot will probably have a number (not necessarily a number) of some kind, and I'd suggest using ref=* for this. This appears to be about as complicated as it needs to get. I know this because not only do I *have* an allotment, I am the Warden of our allotment site and am responsible for administering the tenancies on that site, and that's all I need to map, barring a track or two. J. (*) Although natural spoken English would suggest tagging as allotment=plot, I can see how using allotments=plot makes it clear it's a sub-division of landuse=allotments, so I'd accept the plural form in the tag. But that's getting into Bikeshedding again. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
2013/9/18 Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com ...or alternatively: it's clear a tag for an individual plot is needed, but after that point it got bikeshedded to death. +1 I will try stating what is needed as clearly as I can: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant. We already tag the whole site as landuse=allotments and we just need to mark individual plots with allotment[s]=plot(*). This makes it clear it's an allotment plot we're talking about, not anything else. +1, and it should be distinct from the parcel in terms of landownership, because a plot in an allotment usually (at least in Germany) doesn't represent a parcel in terms of ownership, but only a fraction of a real parcel. Each plot will probably have a number (not necessarily a number) of some kind, and I'd suggest using ref=* for this. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 September 2013 18:44, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: We already tag the whole site as landuse=allotments and we just need to mark individual plots with allotment[s]=plot(*). This makes it clear it's an allotment plot we're talking about, not anything else. Each plot will probably have a number (not necessarily a number) of some kind, and I'd suggest using ref=* for this. This appears to be about as complicated as it needs to get. +1 (*) Although natural spoken English would suggest tagging as allotment=plot, I can see how using allotments=plot makes it clear it's a sub-division of landuse=allotments, so I'd accept the plural form in the tag. But that's getting into Bikeshedding again. I'd probably favour allotments=plot for the reasons given. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I would favor allotments=plot for the same reasons. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Please note I have renamed the proposed tag as allotment=plot as a sub-tag of landuse=allotments. The page has been amended accordingly http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:allotments%3Dplot Voting will start on the 20th September (This Friday) and finish on Wednesday 27th September . Thanks for all the support up to this point. Lukas Hornby (Developer -Grow Bradford) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what landuse is for. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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Wolfgang Zenker wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org wrote: Hi, * Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com [130918 00:53]: 1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. this might be a case of the UK and the US being separated by a common language. We are talking about allotments here, not parcels, which are something completely different. We DO map allotments in OSM since, well, a long time ago. Taking this to one more level of detail by going to individual plots is to much micromapping for my taste, but tastes are different ... 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what landuse is for. Allotments are by definition cultivated gardens, so landuse=allotments is IMHO in the right place in tag space. The proposed plots would be a subdivision of the allotments area, so putting it in landuse MIGHT be ok. Wolfgang ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging The equivalent American term is a community garden. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
