Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
If you're drawing buildings, whether a house is terraced or not should be apparent from the geometry without any special tagging. It is obvious for humans, but not for software that will process data. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
On 21/07/2014 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ... but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility or gentry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry, as opposed to their country seat: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_%28Great_Britain%29 Please don't trust wikipedia on British English usage; the word townhouse on its own with no context simply does not have that connotation to me. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
Am 21/lug/2014 um 02:13 schrieb Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com: If you're drawing buildings, whether a house is terraced or not should be apparent from the geometry without any special tagging. -1, of course you can see that there are houses attached to another, but you can't tell for sure whether those are terraced houses or another type of non-disruptive construction (? Legal term in German: Geschlossene Bauweise) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
Wikipedia is rather precise on the different meanings - see my earlier post with links. Volker On 21 July 2014 10:42, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 21/07/2014 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ... but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility or gentry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry, as opposed to their country seat : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) Please don't trust wikipedia on British English usage; the word townhouse on its own with no context simply does not have that connotation to me. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
On 21/07/2014 10:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: Wikipedia is rather precise on the different meanings - see my earlier post with links. Volker Sure - I understand that you were correctly flagging the ambiguity associated with the term, but what I was saying was that one of those three definitions doesn't match any common usage in British English of which I'm aware. For example, if you said X is a townhouse you wouldn't think that X was where Lord so-and-so lived while not at his country pile, but if you said X is the town house of Lord so-and-so it would. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
Yes, I know - I know that when you buy a townhouse in the UK it means it's terraced. My only point was that Wikipedia is a precise source of reference for this discussion (at least the English version - it's a bit problematic with the translations) On 21 July 2014 11:47, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 21/07/2014 10:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: Wikipedia is rather precise on the different meanings - see my earlier post with links. Volker Sure - I understand that you were correctly flagging the ambiguity associated with the term, but what I was saying was that one of those three definitions doesn't match any common usage in British English of which I'm aware. For example, if you said X is a townhouse you wouldn't think that X was where Lord so-and-so lived while not at his country pile, but if you said X is the town house of Lord so-and-so it would. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
2014-07-21 12:39 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Yes, I know - I know that when you buy a townhouse in the UK it means it's terraced. +1, I'd use the established tag terraced_house and not just house neither townhouse. Evventually we could have a subtag to subclass terraced houses, e.g. as townhouse, something like terraced_house_type=townhouse or building_subtype=townhouse (townhouse when used together with terraced house as main building type it looses its ambiguity). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
On 20 Jul 2014 05:10, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? If you mean town halls (known in Scottish English as town houses), that would be amenity=townhall. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
What's your definition of townhouse? I suspect this word may be in use around the world, meaning different things. What are the essential characteristics? We have to try to be objective - it IS what is IS, but what it is CALLED may vary. On 2014-07-20 06:08, Hans De Kryger wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
I don't know what Hans had in mind, but a short look at Wikipedia illustrates that there is a problem with this term. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_%28Great_Britain%29 (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_of_local_government And Wikipedia has problems too: (1) points to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_h%C3%B4tel in Spanisch, which is in reality the equivalent of (2) We should not use it in OSM to avoid ambiguity The term Terraced Houses seems to be established. And there is a wiki page on it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dterrace There is even a JOSM plugin for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Terracer Volker On 20 July 2014 10:10, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What's your definition of townhouse? I suspect this word may be in use around the world, meaning different things. What are the essential characteristics? We have to try to be objective - it IS what is IS, but what it is CALLED may vary. On 2014-07-20 06:08, Hans De Kryger wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
Am 20/lug/2014 um 07:10 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: I'd tag it as building=house and subdivide it as necessary similar to a stripmall if you know where the walls between units/addresses are. I'd probably use building=terraced_house for all recent developments I know who call themselves townhouse, but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility or gentry, as opposed to their country seat: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) (different meanings in AE and BE of the same word somehow make it less usable as a tag (I.e. townhouse), because you'll get more mistagging than the average whatever you define in the wiki) house alone is quite generic and also used for detached houses, better go for a little more specificity cheers, Martin___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
I'm British, and I associate the term 'townhouse' (at least in estate agents' blurb) with a house in a town having more than the usual two storeys, and usually not detached. The OED supports this meaning, though the earlier meaning was 'A house in a town or city; esp[ecially] one belonging to someone who has another property in the country.' The 'town hall' meaning is in there as well, and also an obsolete meaning of 'workhouse'. If you're drawing buildings, whether a house is terraced or not should be apparent from the geometry without any special tagging. There's probably also a tag to indicate the number of storeys, so I'm not sure a specific tag for a townhouse is needed. Steve On 21/07/2014 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 20/lug/2014 um 07:10 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org: I'd tag it as building=house and subdivide it as necessary similar to a stripmall if you know where the walls between units/addresses are. I'd probably use building=terraced_house for all recent developments I know who call themselves townhouse, but looking into WP showed that in Britain the meaning refers to the town or city residence of a member of the nobility http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility or gentry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry, as opposed to their country seat: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_(Great_Britain) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhouse_%28Great_Britain%29 (different meanings in AE and BE of the same word somehow make it less usable as a tag (I.e. townhouse), because you'll get more mistagging than the average whatever you define in the wiki) house alone is quite generic and also used for detached houses, better go for a little more specificity cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Townhouse
I'd tag it as building=house and subdivide it as necessary similar to a stripmall if you know where the walls between units/addresses are. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know the tag for townhouses? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
