Re: WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's what I do, also.  That's actually, what they taught me in computer 
class.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:50 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; David Crowell
Subject: Re: WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

As for me, over the years, I have more than developed the habit of using
windows key+m which minimizes all programs, consequently placing me in
the desktop. Some times I think to use windows+d, but hardly ever.

I've noticed that with 8.1 there was an actual window for the desktop,
and honestly, I found that a bit inconvenient.

I don't remember exactly, but it seems like I remember the desktop being
in its own window in 10 for a while, but I'm really not certain about
that. Could somebody refresh my memory. That might have changed with an
update.

Anyway, I so far am a happy camper with 10.

On 5/19/2016 4:28 PM, via Talk wrote:

You can't get to the desktop using alt--tab, but windows-d works well,
so do that instead and you should be good to go.

David Crowell via Talk  wrote:


Hi Everyone,



I downloaded Windows 10 to my windows 8.1 computer last week and have 
been
happy with it except for one small problem that I am hoping someone can 
help

me with.



I am a person who usually has several programs open at once but since I
updated to Windows 10 I am unable to do this anymore.



I always would open one program then use ALT TAB to go to the desktop to
open another program and open the new program and use ALT TAB to bounce 
back

and forth between the programs.

But since installing Windows 10 I am not able to do this.

For example if I am in Microsoft Outlook and press ALT TAB I go to Window
Eyes then if I press ALT TAB again I return to Outlook but I do not go to
the desktop.



This is becoming very frustrating to me because I work from home and I 
often

need to have more than one program opened at a time.

I wrote to the support team of ASquared last night and they sent me a
message early afternoon today telling me to go to WE, go to apps, arrow 
to
diagnostics, then refresh accessability libraries  and once that 
completed

to reboot my system.  I did this and it made no difference at all on my
system.



I will say though if I have a sighted person like my spouse open another
program for me on my computer that I need then using the ALT TAB I can
bounce back and forth between the programs with no problem.  It is just
getting to the desktop with the ALT TAB that is the problem.



Any help will be greatly appreciated because it will relieve a lot of 
stress

from my already stressed mind.




Dave







"Life is too short for drama & petty things, So kiss slowly, laugh 
insanely,

love truly and forgive quickly."


William Arthur



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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons 
IE is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.


Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have 
their accessible site as well.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
 > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to
change > > > > >  this
> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > > > > > >  ==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real 
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your ability 
to work or use your computer?


I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real 
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the 
default for searching using their start menu in their operating system. 
They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in any way.


Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you to 
use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court many 
years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can I say? 
This is the world of blindness wherein this is common regardless of the 
platform you're on.


From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7, 
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only 
place Edge is available.


Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the 
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the 
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have compassion 
for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a blind person to 
find work in this world regardless of their qualifications. Life is not 
and never will be fair to all.


I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. I 
had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was, 
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on a 
message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk 

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Not strange at all.  From the beginning of man's existance, he has tried 
to manipulate his environment to suit his wants and needs.  Man will 
continue to "progress" regardless of what each individual does.  Maybe 
in 20 years, the internet as we know it, won't exist.


On 5/20/2016 12:46 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:

Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:


This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked
at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think
really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you
never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please.
Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> > >  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may
get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome.
And I > >   hear
> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > > >   John Bonham
> > > >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any
actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer.
That's > > >   a
> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's
worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the
Task > > > >   bar
> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE
opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it > > > >   may
> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about
other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be
critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
> > going > > >   with
> > > > >   Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon
with in
> > the > > >   near
> > > > >   future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > > > >   Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > > > >   I understand what you are saying and I totally
agree
> >  with you, but > > > >  I
> > > > > >   have one question.
> > > > > >   Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge
accessibility
> > built > > > >   into
> > > > > >   them?
> > > > > >   Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > > > >   

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks 
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't 
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:



This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> 
> 
>  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I 
> >   hear

> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > 
> >   John Bonham
> > 
> >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's 
> > >   a

> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task 
> > > >   bar

> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it 
> > > >   may

> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
> > going > > >   with
> > > > >   Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
> > the > > >   near
> > > > >   future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > > > >   Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > > > >   I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
> >  with you, but > > > >  I
> > > > > >   have one question.
> > > > > >   Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
> > built > > > >   into
> > > > > >   them?
> > > > > >   Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > > > >   On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
> >   > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >   Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
> >  support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > > > >   has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
> >  do a > > > > >  search
> > > > 

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
 > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to
change > > > > >  this
> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > > > > > >  ==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[net bat via Talk]

that won't last long. microsoft itself says bing and edge will be the only 
choice for the cortana search engine you will have. no matter which browser you 
use as the default.
it sounds like you haven't got all the recommended or optional updates 
installed yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro
machine.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade, 
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was 
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get 
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I 
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me 
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep 
drinking that ms cool aid.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk 
wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really really 
hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us actually work for 
a living. This means not every one can just go installing whatever browser we 
want on our machine. I'm sure you never thought about that either while 
you're sitting there collecting your government checks. I realize you are not 
a forward thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is 
headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever they damn 
well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out that are using the 
Edge browser with no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > 
> >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to

> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > 
> >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to

> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > 
> >  Regards,

> >  Tom
> > 
> > 
> >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
> > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the 
> > >  near

> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > 
> > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > 
> > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but 
> > > >  I

> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
> > > >  into

> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > 
> > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for 
> > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a 
> > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for 
> > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your 
> > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change 
> > > > >  this

> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  ==Steve

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Well at least we're having a rational discussion.

On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk 
wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for
Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a
search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your
default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Looking for A Good Sound Editor that Works Well with Window-Eyes

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

How about Sound Forge from Sony Creative Software? There is a Pro 
version and a less expensive consumer version which contains fewer 
features. Both work very well with WE.




On 5/19/2016 5:01 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

probably was using dictation software so it thought "out of the box." or
thought "coldewave," instead.


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Re: W10 64 settings

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Michael,
Thanks for your reply.

Seem to have gotten rid of WE saying checked on the Desktop icons but 
not so the path or info statements on the Desktop icons.


If the WE control panel tool tips are set to auto, some icon paths are 
still spoken.  However, if the tool tips are set to off then  the pats 
of the Desktop icons are not read but would this stop the speaking of 
tool tips in a programme?


Cheers
Neville.


On 19/05/2016 7:59 PM, michaels mail wrote:

the first thing with the info on path on icons go in to we control
pannel and open start up and then other and tab down to tool tips mine
is set to auto.
And the second problem is go in to windows control pannel and under
personalize i think their is file setting in their you have set the
check box list for files and icons.
Cheers michael.

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: W10 64 settings

Hi,
Using latest WE and W10 64 bit.

Have just upgraded to W10 64 bit and attempting to change a few settings
but stuffed up one setting in particular.

Now WE says  checked before reading each item on the Desktop. How can
this Windows setting be changed back to the original state?

Also, After WE reads each item on the Desktop, it speaks the path or
information for that item.  Where can the setting be changed so WE only
speaks the item name and number position?

Thanks
Neville.

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Re: WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

As for me, over the years, I have more than developed the habit of using 
windows key+m which minimizes all programs, consequently placing me in 
the desktop. Some times I think to use windows+d, but hardly ever.


I've noticed that with 8.1 there was an actual window for the desktop, 
and honestly, I found that a bit inconvenient.


I don't remember exactly, but it seems like I remember the desktop being 
in its own window in 10 for a while, but I'm really not certain about 
that. Could somebody refresh my memory. That might have changed with an 
update.


Anyway, I so far am a happy camper with 10.

On 5/19/2016 4:28 PM, via Talk wrote:

You can't get to the desktop using alt--tab, but windows-d works well,
so do that instead and you should be good to go.

David Crowell via Talk  wrote:


Hi Everyone,



I downloaded Windows 10 to my windows 8.1 computer last week and have been
happy with it except for one small problem that I am hoping someone can help
me with.



I am a person who usually has several programs open at once but since I
updated to Windows 10 I am unable to do this anymore.



I always would open one program then use ALT TAB to go to the desktop to
open another program and open the new program and use ALT TAB to bounce back
and forth between the programs.

But since installing Windows 10 I am not able to do this.

For example if I am in Microsoft Outlook and press ALT TAB I go to Window
Eyes then if I press ALT TAB again I return to Outlook but I do not go to
the desktop.



This is becoming very frustrating to me because I work from home and I often
need to have more than one program opened at a time.

I wrote to the support team of ASquared last night and they sent me a
message early afternoon today telling me to go to WE, go to apps, arrow to
diagnostics, then refresh accessability libraries  and once that completed
to reboot my system.  I did this and it made no difference at all on my
system.



I will say though if I have a sighted person like my spouse open another
program for me on my computer that I need then using the ALT TAB I can
bounce back and forth between the programs with no problem.  It is just
getting to the desktop with the ALT TAB that is the problem.



Any help will be greatly appreciated because it will relieve a lot of stress
from my already stressed mind.




Dave







"Life is too short for drama & petty things, So kiss slowly, laugh insanely,
love truly and forgive quickly."


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Re: WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

[net bat via Talk]

sorry, this has been removed. you have to press windows d to get to the 
desktop. you can still alt tab between programs

maybe you can still change windows schemes like you  could with windows 7?


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

Hi Everyone,



I downloaded Windows 10 to my windows 8.1 computer last week and have been
happy with it except for one small problem that I am hoping someone can help
me with.



I am a person who usually has several programs open at once but since I
updated to Windows 10 I am unable to do this anymore.



I always would open one program then use ALT TAB to go to the desktop to
open another program and open the new program and use ALT TAB to bounce back
and forth between the programs.

But since installing Windows 10 I am not able to do this.

For example if I am in Microsoft Outlook and press ALT TAB I go to Window
Eyes then if I press ALT TAB again I return to Outlook but I do not go to
the desktop.



This is becoming very frustrating to me because I work from home and I often
need to have more than one program opened at a time.

I wrote to the support team of ASquared last night and they sent me a
message early afternoon today telling me to go to WE, go to apps, arrow to
diagnostics, then refresh accessability libraries  and once that completed
to reboot my system.  I did this and it made no difference at all on my
system.



I will say though if I have a sighted person like my spouse open another
program for me on my computer that I need then using the ALT TAB I can
bounce back and forth between the programs with no problem.  It is just
getting to the desktop with the ALT TAB that is the problem.



Any help will be greatly appreciated because it will relieve a lot of stress
from my already stressed mind.




Dave







"Life is too short for drama & petty things, So kiss slowly, laugh insanely,
love truly and forgive quickly."


William Arthur



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Re: Looking for A Good Sound Editor that Works Well with Window-Eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

probably was using dictation software so it thought "out of the box." or
thought "coldewave," instead.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:35:00 -0400
Amanda Lee via Talk  wrote:

> Yeah I was about to ask if this was a new program as I have heard of 
> Goldwave but I think it's a bit pricey.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Iaen Cordell via Talk" 
> To: "'Darrell Bowles'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:26 PM
> Subject: RE: Looking for A Good Sound Editor that Works Well with 
> Window-Eyes
> 
> 
> Coldwave? Not goldwave?
> Cheers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:23 AM
> To: Amanda Lee ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Looking for A Good Sound Editor that Works Well with
> Window-Eyes
> 
> Tried Coldeway
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Amanda Lee via Talk
>  wrote:
> >
> > Total Recorder is available in a free version and Total Recorder
> > Professional is available at a very modest price.  I don't do a lot of
> > sound recording but from what I could tell, it is accessible.
> >
> > http://www.totalrecorder.com
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Matthew Chao via Talk" 
> > To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:06 PM
> > Subject: Looking for A Good Sound Editor that Works Well with
> > Window-Eyes
> >
> >
> > Hi, Folks.  Suddenly, I have an assignment that requires a sound
> > editor.  Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of dollars to spare, and I
> > need to get this work done within the next two weeks. Anybody know of
> > a sound editor that's easy to use, is well-supported, and works well
> > with Windows 10?  For the long-term, I'll buy something that costs
> > more if it means I'll have a quality product.  Thanks in
> > advance.--Matthew Chao
> >
> >
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WE9.4, Windows 10 and Alt TAB

[David Crowell via Talk]

Hi Everyone, 

 

I downloaded Windows 10 to my windows 8.1 computer last week and have been
happy with it except for one small problem that I am hoping someone can help
me with.  

 

I am a person who usually has several programs open at once but since I
updated to Windows 10 I am unable to do this anymore.  

 

I always would open one program then use ALT TAB to go to the desktop to
open another program and open the new program and use ALT TAB to bounce back
and forth between the programs.  

But since installing Windows 10 I am not able to do this.  

For example if I am in Microsoft Outlook and press ALT TAB I go to Window
Eyes then if I press ALT TAB again I return to Outlook but I do not go to
the desktop.  

 

This is becoming very frustrating to me because I work from home and I often
need to have more than one program opened at a time.  

I wrote to the support team of ASquared last night and they sent me a
message early afternoon today telling me to go to WE, go to apps, arrow to
diagnostics, then refresh accessability libraries  and once that completed
to reboot my system.  I did this and it made no difference at all on my
system.  

 

I will say though if I have a sighted person like my spouse open another
program for me on my computer that I need then using the ALT TAB I can
bounce back and forth between the programs with no problem.  It is just
getting to the desktop with the ALT TAB that is the problem.  

 

Any help will be greatly appreciated because it will relieve a lot of stress
from my already stressed mind.  

 

 
Dave 

 

   

 

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love truly and forgive quickly." 

 
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RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

There is the Window-Eyes app, already pre-installed.  As I don't use it, I 
shouldn't comment on its usability, apart from observing that it might need to 
be fine tuned each time iTunes is updated.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 2:19 a.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

It seems like with every new release of itunes, it comes more and more less 
accessible.  I just wished someone would write a third party program to make it 
easy to transfer content to your ios device.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Clower
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:25 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; cr19951...@inbox.com
Subject: RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

I strongly suggest anyone encountering usability issues with iTunes on Windows 
send an email to accessibil...@apple.com and provide them details of the 
problems you are encountering.

Regards,
Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:19 AM
To: cr19951...@inbox.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

ON another list, I see:
accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?

-Original Message-
From: crw9599 via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

  Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on Monday, 
have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by hitting the alt 
key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you what part of the menu 
bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt key on the keyboard then 
depending where you are at you have to use the either the left or right or the 
up or down arrow keys on the keyboard and once you start doing that window eyes 
does say context menu it does open up in to the menu then once that happens 
then using the left or right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to 
know where you are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since 
the main part of the menu bar does not speak anymore. I wonder if the iTunes 
app has to be updated or something. Other then that I can still use it it is 
just a little bit tricky but it is due-able.


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Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Edward Green via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I thought you may like to know that some Apple accessibility advisers are 
advising people experiencing problems with 12.4 to switch to WE.

While it might be a nice plug, the accessibility of some of the list boxes is 
no better with WE, so new users may be turned off if they blame AI.

You might want a word with Apple so they don't set you up for a fall 
inadvertently.

Cheers,

Ed 

> On 19 May 2016, at 14:25, Steve Clower via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> I strongly suggest anyone encountering usability issues with iTunes on 
> Windows send an email to accessibil...@apple.com and provide them details of 
> the problems you are encountering.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:19 AM
> To: cr19951...@inbox.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes
> 
> ON another list, I see:
> accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: crw9599 via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes
> 
>  Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on
> Monday, have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by
> hitting the alt key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you
> what part of the menu bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt
> key on the keyboard then depending where you are at you have to use the
> either the left or right or the up or down arrow keys on the keyboard
> and once you start doing that window eyes does say context menu it does
> open up in to the menu then once that happens then using the left or
> right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to know where you
> are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since the main
> part of the menu bar does not speak anymore. I wonder if the iTunes app
> has to be updated or something. Other then that I can still use it it is
> just a little bit tricky but it is due-able.
> 
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RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

That is why I am always leary about updating anything.  I always wait and wait 
till I see if others are having issues.   V

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:19 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

It seems like with every new release of itunes, it comes more and more less 
accessible.  I just wished someone would write a third party program to make 
it easy to transfer content to your ios device.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Clower
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:25 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; cr19951...@inbox.com
Subject: RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

I strongly suggest anyone encountering usability issues with iTunes on 
Windows send an email to accessibil...@apple.com and provide them details of 
the problems you are encountering.

Regards,
Steve


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:19 AM
To: cr19951...@inbox.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

ON another list, I see:
accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?

-Original Message- 
From: crw9599 via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

  Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on
Monday, have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by
hitting the alt key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you
what part of the menu bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt
key on the keyboard then depending where you are at you have to use the
either the left or right or the up or down arrow keys on the keyboard
and once you start doing that window eyes does say context menu it does
open up in to the menu then once that happens then using the left or
right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to know where you
are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since the main
part of the menu bar does not speak anymore. I wonder if the iTunes app
has to be updated or something. Other then that I can still use it it is
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RE: opening attachments in outlook 2016

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

Well this is how mine used to work, but not any more.  

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of george basioli via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 5:50 AM
To: 'Rod Hutton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
Subject: RE: opening attachments in outlook 2016

Better yet,
>From the main window of the email with attachements,
Shift tab to you land on the attachement or attachements it will let you
know if there is more then one
Now right click and you have several choices what you wish to do with the
attachement not just save

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gbmagoo=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 04:12
To: 'Charles Short' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: opening attachments in outlook 2016

Hi Charlie,

Within a message with attachments, open the File menu and arrow down to Save
attachments and press Enter.

Hth,

Rod

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Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: May 16, 2016 8:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: opening attachments in outlook 2016

Hello listers, Charlie Short here, I'm having trouble opening attachments in
outlook 2016.  I tried pressing control alt a, but the Kurzweil 1000
appointment calendar came up.  Any suggestions?  Thanks


Charlie Short


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RE: opening attachments in outlook 2016

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

So rod, I know what you say is true because that is how I am getting mine now, 
but can't we just open them in the email anymore. Just wondering??? V

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 5:12 AM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: opening attachments in outlook 2016

Hi Charlie,

Within a message with attachments, open the File menu and arrow down to Save
attachments and press Enter.

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: May 16, 2016 8:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: opening attachments in outlook 2016

Hello listers, Charlie Short here, I'm having trouble opening attachments in
outlook 2016.  I tried pressing control alt a, but the Kurzweil 1000
appointment calendar came up.  Any suggestions?  Thanks


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Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It seems like with every new release of itunes, it comes more and more less 
accessible.  I just wished someone would write a third party program to make 
it easy to transfer content to your ios device.


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Clower

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:25 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; cr19951...@inbox.com
Subject: RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

I strongly suggest anyone encountering usability issues with iTunes on 
Windows send an email to accessibil...@apple.com and provide them details of 
the problems you are encountering.


Regards,
Steve


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On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:19 AM
To: cr19951...@inbox.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

ON another list, I see:
accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?

-Original Message- 
From: crw9599 via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

 Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on
Monday, have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by
hitting the alt key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you
what part of the menu bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt
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and once you start doing that window eyes does say context menu it does
open up in to the menu then once that happens then using the left or
right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to know where you
are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since the main
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RE: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Steve Clower via Talk]

I strongly suggest anyone encountering usability issues with iTunes on Windows 
send an email to accessibil...@apple.com and provide them details of the 
problems you are encountering.

Regards,
Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:19 AM
To: cr19951...@inbox.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

ON another list, I see:
accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?

-Original Message- 
From: crw9599 via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

  Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on
Monday, have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by
hitting the alt key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you
what part of the menu bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt
key on the keyboard then depending where you are at you have to use the
either the left or right or the up or down arrow keys on the keyboard
and once you start doing that window eyes does say context menu it does
open up in to the menu then once that happens then using the left or
right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to know where you
are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since the main
part of the menu bar does not speak anymore. I wonder if the iTunes app
has to be updated or something. Other then that I can still use it it is
just a little bit tricky but it is due-able.


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Re: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

ON another list, I see:
accessibility problems in the newest itunes update?

-Original Message- 
From: crw9599 via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: itunes 12.4 with window eyes

 Hello. I download the latest version of iTunes 12.4 which came out on
Monday, have noticed the changes in the menu bar you can get to it by
hitting the alt key on the keyboard but window eyes  does not tell you
what part of the menu bar you are on. Instead you have to hit the alt
key on the keyboard then depending where you are at you have to use the
either the left or right or the up or down arrow keys on the keyboard
and once you start doing that window eyes does say context menu it does
open up in to the menu then once that happens then using the left or
right arrow keys you are in the menus you just have to know where you
are at to figure out what part of the menu bar you are at since the main
part of the menu bar does not speak anymore. I wonder if the iTunes app
has to be updated or something. Other then that I can still use it it is
just a little bit tricky but it is due-able.


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GoldWave Among the Missing

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, Folks.  I'm trying to get Window-
Eyes to work with GoldWave.  Unfortunately, with Window-Eyes version 
9.4.0, under Factory Settings, there's no longer GoldWave installation.  
I've tried to install the goldwave.wep file, but no luck.  Thoughts?  
How can I get WE to work with  GoldWave?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao



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Re: W10 64 settings

[michaels mail via Talk]

the first thing with the info on path on icons go in to we control pannel 
and open start up and then other and tab down to tool tips mine is set to 
auto.
And the second problem is go in to windows control pannel and under 
personalize i think their is file setting in their you have set the check 
box list for files and icons.

Cheers michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: W10 64 settings

Hi,
Using latest WE and W10 64 bit.

Have just upgraded to W10 64 bit and attempting to change a few settings
but stuffed up one setting in particular.

Now WE says  checked before reading each item on the Desktop. How can
this Windows setting be changed back to the original state?

Also, After WE reads each item on the Desktop, it speaks the path or
information for that item.  Where can the setting be changed so WE only
speaks the item name and number position?

Thanks
Neville.

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