Re: AVG

[John Covici via Talk]

I still like Vipre, although not completely accessible it works for me
and has gotten good ratings.  If you are comfortable usingthe mouse
keys,you can getitto work.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:29:33 -0400,
Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> 
> Okay, so tell me:  what works with window eyes and windows 7?
> And please don't say Microsoft Security Essentials, because as
> far as I know, Microsoft dropped the ball on that one shortly
> after they put it out.  The window eyes people used to suggest
> Esset Security Suite, but now, they don't even suggest that.  The
> window eyes person told me MSSE.  I almost laughed.  I had it,
> and my computer was very sick, and it said it couldn't find
> anything wrong.  So, what does work with window eyes without
> having to play games? Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:15 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: AVG
> 
> After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be
> accessible with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think
> not so fast. My problems began as I found that the installation
> screen did not read properly. Then, when I got into the Zen
> afgter I finally got it installed, I found that screen didn’t
> read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one point, why I don’t
> know because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I
> rebooted, and things got quite interesting. The drive would seem
> to be active for a while and stopped. After several other
> attempts with the same result, I had a sighted friend come
> over. All he saw was was a cursor blinking about every second. A
> reboot gave him the same results. He couldn’t get into Windows of
> Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd ex[;pre
> sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore which appeared to fail. At
> least we were getting text shown on a working monitor. He then
> tried Windows Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the
> message that System Restore had completed successfully. The
> loving Windows sounds and Window-Eyes came to life. I don’t know
> how much to blame on AVG. Certainly, I made a silly
> mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I wonder what
> your system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m
> concerned, AVG needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail
> I sent since the crash. Sorry for the rant.;
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Re: AVG

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with 
it, I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further, 
their own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go 
to Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my 
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free 
version of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the 
VIOS, a system restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite 
confident I wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.


-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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Re: AVG

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I honestly didn't know till I checked just now. I see no such SET files.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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AVG

[Linda Mentink via Talk]

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question 
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the 
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?


Blessings,

Linda
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Re: selecting text

[Greg Mason via Talk]

Thanks



On 8/31/2016 6:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode 
and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go 
back and forth.


When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have 
to use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have 
to use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're 
reading a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in 
an edit box you have to fall back on the shifted method.


The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. 
then you're always in browse mode.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: selecting text

I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
G
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RE: selecting text

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Just a minor correction in your post below.
In your last paragraph, clearly you meant to use the word "content" rather
than "context."
I'm picking nits here only for clarity. Smile

Thanks for the post, btw,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:40 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: selecting text

Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode and in
both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back and forth.

When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to use
the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to use the
standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading a page it's
F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit box you have to
fall back on the shifted method.

The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
you're always in browse mode.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above 
> has a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning 
> and end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent 
> of the block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you 
> have pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to 
> copy formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which 
> of those options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with 
> the text next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working 
> with the Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.
>
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: selecting text
>
> I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with 
> control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
> G
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Re: selecting text

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode 
and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back 
and forth.


When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to 
use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to 
use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading 
a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit 
box you have to fall back on the shifted method.


The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then 
you're always in browse mode.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: selecting text

I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
G
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Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

It is easy to be very confused at present.


Window-Eyes still installs to a GWMicro folder.  There is still a 
GwMicro website.  There is AI Squared, and there is VFO.  All one and 
the same.  And then VFO is Freedom Scientific and Optelec and maybe AI 
Squared.



I would like to think that my good friend Rod is correct in that the 
various companies will continue to develop their products independently 
of each other for a while yet, but it doesn't make good business sense 
in the longer term.



If Microsoft chooses to talk to anyone regarding access to the Edge 
browser by screen readers, it will talk to a VFO senior executive 
member, and not necessarily to the representatives of the individual 
parts of the VFO group.  I actualy think it significant that an extra 
"A" or the "sqquared" has not been added to the VFO title.  And it was 
significant that Microsoft decided to roll out Narraot's access to the 
Edge browser, even though it knows that blind people who rely on screen 
readers do not seriously use Narrator.



The VFO "muscle" is now greater than the sum of individual manufacturers 
negotiating with Microsoft, but it doesn't mean that MS will give us 
what we require.





Vaughan.




On 9/1/2016 1:01 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Yeah, I wondered when I saw that question, myself.  I thought "Hello? 
Freedom Scientific?  Isn't this the wrong list? And then he compounds 
the felony by saying Window eyes.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:22 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Hi Rick,

I have to say, my friend, obviously with tongue in cheek, that you're
barking up the wrong tree if you're addressing your comments to the 
Freedom

Scientific staff, since, in truth, this is an AI Squared list.
The two companies may be under the same umbrella, but, in the words of
Sting, well, the Police rock band,"it's a big enough umbrella, but it'S
always me that ends up getting' wet."
I guess what I'm trying to highlight is the fact that the two 
companies will

continue to work independently in the development of their screen reader
offerings, at least in the short term.

Affectionately,

Rod (smile)

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'


Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Thanks Chris:
That was indeed a cool answer but then you know, cool is a 4 letter word.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:rascal0...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

short answer it'll be ready when it's ready, and not one moment sooner or
later. lol!


Truthfully, nobody knows accept microsoft. and they ain't talking.




On 8/31/2016 6:14 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi: I read Microsoft thinks the Edge Browser is ready for prime time and

has

improved accessibility hooks for screen readers.
I don't know how far it has come but you fellows at Freedom Scientific

might

know when WindowEyes will be ready to work well with the Edge Browser.
Are things ready, almost ready, not being worked on or what is the 
status

of

pushing out this update?
Rick USA

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Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yeah, I wondered when I saw that question, myself.  I thought "Hello? 
Freedom Scientific?  Isn't this the wrong list?  And then he compounds the 
felony by saying Window eyes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:22 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Hi Rick,

I have to say, my friend, obviously with tongue in cheek, that you're
barking up the wrong tree if you're addressing your comments to the Freedom
Scientific staff, since, in truth, this is an AI Squared list.
The two companies may be under the same umbrella, but, in the words of
Sting, well, the Police rock band,"it's a big enough umbrella, but it'S
always me that ends up getting' wet."
I guess what I'm trying to highlight is the fact that the two companies will
continue to work independently in the development of their screen reader
offerings, at least in the short term.

Affectionately,

Rod (smile)

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Thanks Chris:
That was indeed a cool answer but then you know, cool is a 4 letter word.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:rascal0...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

short answer it'll be ready when it's ready, and not one moment sooner or
later. lol!


Truthfully, nobody knows accept microsoft. and they ain't talking.




On 8/31/2016 6:14 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi: I read Microsoft thinks the Edge Browser is ready for prime time and

has

improved accessibility hooks for screen readers.
I don't know how far it has come but you fellows at Freedom Scientific

might

know when WindowEyes will be ready to work well with the Edge Browser.
Are things ready, almost ready, not being worked on or what is the status

of

pushing out this update?
Rick USA

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Re: AVG

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Okay, so tell me:  what works with window eyes and windows 7?  And please 
don't say Microsoft Security Essentials, because as far as I know, Microsoft 
dropped the ball on that one shortly after they put it out.  The window eyes 
people used to suggest Esset Security Suite, but now, they don't even 
suggest that.  The window eyes person told me MSSE.  I almost laughed.  I 
had it, and my computer was very sick, and it said it couldn't find anything 
wrong.  So, what does work with window eyes without having to play games? 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: AVG

After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be accessible 
with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think not so fast. My 
problems began as I found that the installation screen did not read 
properly. Then, when I got into the Zen afgter I finally got it installed, I 
found that screen didn’t read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one 
point, why I don’t know because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I 
rebooted, and things got quite interesting. The drive would seem to be 
active for a while and stopped. After several other attempts with the same 
result, I had a sighted friend come over. All he saw was was a cursor 
blinking about every second. A reboot gave him the same results. He couldn’t 
get into Windows of Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd 
ex[;pre sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore which appeared to fail. At 
least we were getting text shown on a working monitor. He then tried Windows 
Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the message that System Restore had 
completed successfully. The loving Windows sounds and Window-Eyes came to 
life. I don’t know how much to blame on AVG. Certainly, I made a silly 
mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I wonder what your 
system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m concerned, AVG 
needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail I sent since the crash. 
Sorry for the rant.;

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RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Rick,

I have to say, my friend, obviously with tongue in cheek, that you're
barking up the wrong tree if you're addressing your comments to the Freedom
Scientific staff, since, in truth, this is an AI Squared list.
The two companies may be under the same umbrella, but, in the words of
Sting, well, the Police rock band,"it's a big enough umbrella, but it'S
always me that ends up getting' wet."
I guess what I'm trying to highlight is the fact that the two companies will
continue to work independently in the development of their screen reader
offerings, at least in the short term.

Affectionately,

Rod (smile)

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Thanks Chris:
That was indeed a cool answer but then you know, cool is a 4 letter word.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:rascal0...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

short answer it'll be ready when it's ready, and not one moment sooner or
later. lol!


Truthfully, nobody knows accept microsoft. and they ain't talking.




On 8/31/2016 6:14 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Hi: I read Microsoft thinks the Edge Browser is ready for prime time and
has
> improved accessibility hooks for screen readers.
> I don't know how far it has come but you fellows at Freedom Scientific
might
> know when WindowEyes will be ready to work well with the Edge Browser.
> Are things ready, almost ready, not being worked on or what is the status
of
> pushing out this update?
> Rick USA
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AVG

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be accessible 
with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think not so fast. My problems 
began as I found that the installation screen did not read properly. Then, when 
I got into the Zen afgter I finally got it installed, I found that screen 
didn’t read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one point, why I don’t know 
because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I rebooted, and things got 
quite interesting. The drive would seem to be active for a while and stopped. 
After several other attempts with the same result, I had a sighted friend come 
over. All he saw was was a cursor blinking about every second. A reboot gave 
him the same results. He couldn’t get into Windows of Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U 
AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd ex[;pre sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore 
which appeared to fail. At least we were getting text shown on a working 
monitor. He then tried Windows Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the 
message that System Restore had completed successfully. The loving Windows 
sounds and Window-Eyes came to life. I don’t know how much to blame on AVG. 
Certainly, I made a silly mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I 
wonder what your system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m 
concerned, AVG needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail I sent since 
the crash. Sorry for the rant.;
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RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Thanks Chris:
That was indeed a cool answer but then you know, cool is a 4 letter word.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:rascal0...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

short answer it'll be ready when it's ready, and not one moment sooner 
or later. lol!


Truthfully, nobody knows accept microsoft. and they ain't talking.




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> Hi: I read Microsoft thinks the Edge Browser is ready for prime time and
has
> improved accessibility hooks for screen readers.
> I don't know how far it has come but you fellows at Freedom Scientific
might
> know when WindowEyes will be ready to work well with the Edge Browser.
> Are things ready, almost ready, not being worked on or what is the status
of
> pushing out this update?
> Rick USA
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Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
Being a trainer of access technology, I feel qualified to put in my
two cents worth on this discussion, but since the penny is no longer
produced in Canada, I will have to round it off to five cents. :)
You may keep the change.  :)
I have been a trainer of Window-eyes and other blindness products
since the DOS days, and I have had success showing my clients one way
of performing the tasks that I was training them to do.  As they would
get more advanced, I would show them alternative methods.   Sometimes,
a client would discover another way to perform that task, and I am
happy with that, because that means that he/she understands the
process and is willing to experiment.

I have to say though, that Steve is in a different position than those
of us who do one on one training, because he is essentially speaking
to a multitude of people who arde using all types of desktops or
laptops, and all operating systems from Windows 7 to Windows 10,
whereas people such as myself and several other people on this list
are face to face with one indivual with one computer using one
operating system, and we can therefore determine the easiest and most
direct way for him or her to perform a given task.
Kevin Huber


On 8/30/16, Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:
> Sorry Sky, but I just can't resist. Are you applying for the position
> ?
>
> On 8/30/2016 7:44 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Well, Steven Klower does the Window-Eyes tutorials, but I have a few
>> suggestions for how the tutorials could be improved.
>>
>> 1. When training clients, I always stick to one way of doing things. What
>> that means, is I only do one method of showing the clents how to do
>> things.
>> Showing multiple ways can often clutter up the mind of the person who is
>> learning any screen reader, such as Window-Eyes.
>>
>> 2. The tutorials need to be presented in a easier-to-understand language.
>> It
>> should provide steps for accomplishing things, such as, to open up
>> Microsoft
>> word, do the following.
>>
>> 1. press the windows logo key. The windows logo key is located on the
>> bottom
>> left side of the keyboard, next to the left control key.
>>
>> 2. Type in the words word to open up Microsoft word.   Once you do that,
>> Window-Eyes will say your version number of office word, such as 2010,
>> 2013,
>> or 2016.
>>
>> 3. After typing in the words word, press enter to open up Microsoft
>> office
>> word 2010.
>>
>> I would also suggest that the manual be re-written in an easier to
>> understand language. I have read the manual and to me it doesn't sound
>> like
>> it is written in an easier to understand language for some people.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:15 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?
>>
>> Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?
>> .would
>> anybody know?
>>
>>
>> Charlie Short
>>
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RE: gold wave set files

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

The GoldWave Enhance app, which I wrote, only reads the start, end, and length 
of the selection, and you can see the Hot Key Manager within the app to review 
and change these hot keys.
As for other hot keys, I'm not really sure which would need to be added to a 
GoldWave-specific key label dictionary to make it more user friendly, but 
anyone can define their own as needed.

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:20 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: gold wave set files

Hi,

I am also having a problem with gold wave. I may be doing something wrong but I 
can’t find the gold wave set file in the factory set files section in the w.e 
control panel.

I uninstalled w.e 9.5.1 and then reinstalled it. I only have w.e 8.4 which is 
an electronic download so I installed that version. I then installed w.e 9.2 
and then w.e 9.5.1.

In w.e 8.4 I was able to find the gold wave set files and there seemed a lot 
more set files in that version. In w.e. 9.5.1 there seems to be only 22 set 
files.None of them related to gold wave.

When I open gold wave and then press control backslash, it opens the w.e 
control panel but there are no associated files with gold wave.

How do I associate the gold wave files and where do I get them from? I did 
install the Gold wave enhanced app. No keyboard commands speak, nothing.

Live long and prosper, John 

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gold wave set files

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi,

I am also having a problem with gold wave. I may be doing something wrong but I 
can’t find the gold wave set file in the factory set files section in the w.e 
control panel.

I uninstalled w.e 9.5.1 and then reinstalled it. I only have w.e 8.4 which is 
an electronic download so I installed that version. I then installed w.e 9.2 
and then w.e 9.5.1.

In w.e 8.4 I was able to find the gold wave set files and there seemed a lot 
more set files in that version. In w.e. 9.5.1 there seems to be only 22 set 
files.None of them related to gold wave.

When I open gold wave and then press control backslash, it opens the w.e 
control panel but there are no associated files with gold wave.

How do I associate the gold wave files and where do I get them from? I did 
install the Gold wave enhanced app. No keyboard commands speak, nothing.

Live long and prosper, John 

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RE: Gmail account setup

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Neville and netbat,

I'm using Outlook with Hotmail, which is IMap, and, an issue worth noting,
since it affects how Outlook performs, is that my Hotmail IMap account is my
default account.
Outlook does perform differently when a POP account is the default, as my
study has revealed.

Just giving info,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:51 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Gmail account setup

Hi,
Following Marc's instructions, Outlook was set up with pop while it appears
Gmail's default is Imap.

If I am able to gain access to Gmail after being locked out, then the
default will be changed to pop.  Hopefully this will fix the problem.

Cheers
Neville.

On 31/08/2016 1:53 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> isn't this because outlook is useing the new email protacols from 
> microsoft, which is not the same as the old pop3 or i map?
> or can outlook still use the old standards?
> gmail also uses a secure ssl connection for both incomeing and 
> outgoing mail.
> my i map is set to
> smtp 465 for outgoing.
> and 993 for incomeing.
>
> -Original Message- From: Iaen Cordell via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:38 AM
> To: 'Neville' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Gmail account setup
>
> Neville, the only way I was able to do this was to use thunderbird as 
> the email client, like you outlook was a total waste of time but 
> strangely TB was not a problem at all.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:26 PM
> To: Window Eyes 
> Subject: Gmail account setup
>
> Hi,
>
> I closely followed Marc's tutorial on setting up a Gmail account in 
> Outlook
> 2013 but it won't work. I don't think the problem is at the Outlook 
> end, all instructions were followed closely and rechecked,but more 
> likely at the Gmail site end.
>
> After numerous unsuccessful tries in Outlook, I attempted to log into 
> gmail.com with Firefox.  Following entering the correct account 
> details,a message was displayed saying that unusual activity had been 
> detected on the account. The account is now blocked and I need to 
> provide a phone number so a code can be sent to unlock the account.
> The Gmail account was originally set up and successfully tested at the 
> Gmail site using Firefox prior to setting up Outlook.
>
> Does anyone know ifGmail, in its settings somewhere, needs to be 
> advised of which email client will be employed to access email?
>
> Thanks
> Neville.
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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Alison,

Regarding iTunes, the current version has major accessibility issues which
Apple needs to address.  I decided to downgrade to v. 12.1 myself, and so it
is very easy to navigate now.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:37 AM
To: 'Martin Brown' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

I too am sorry to see Mark go. In truth we would really benefit from some of
the tutorials being updated, i.e. I would very much like a tutorial on using
Windows 10 with Window-eyes and an update on using Window-eyes with iTunes.

 

Alison

 

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RE: getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Make sure you are not in tablet mode. Press windows-a then tab through.
Chris


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Shade via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:54 AM
To: Talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

Hello, when I'm using window-eyes, with this new release of windows 10 I
can't get my start menu to show up.  I'll click on the start button, and
nothing will happen.  Or sometimes I'll go to the start menu button, and try
to click on it, and I'll hear start menu and then the word taskbar, as if
the focus is changing.  In either case, I still can't bring up my start menu
to work with my machine.  Can you recommend any suggestions?

Thanks much,

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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I've been a Window-eyes user ever since I converted from DOS but have never
read the manual!

I think that if I was going to recommend anything, then it would be more
tutorials on various topics but much shorter. So, for example, rather than
having one tutorial on using Window-eyes with Windows 10, I'd have a series
of short tutorials on various aspects.

 

Alison

 

 

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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I too am sorry to see Mark go. In truth we would really benefit from some of
the tutorials being updated, i.e. I would very much like a tutorial on using
Windows 10 with Window-eyes and an update on using Window-eyes with iTunes.

 

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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Like many others on the list, I am sorry to see Mark go. He is a very
knowledgeable and helpful person. Will he be replaced? I have my doubts.
Rather, it might well be the first move in a decline of further development
of Window-Eyes in the new corporate environment we find ourselves in. Hope
I'm wrong.
Martin  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:15 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone? .would
anybody know?


Charlie Short


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getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

[Scott Shade via Talk]

Hello, when I'm using window-eyes, with this new release of windows 10 I
can't get my start menu to show up.  I'll click on the start button, and
nothing will happen.  Or sometimes I'll go to the start menu button, and try
to click on it, and I'll hear start menu and then the word taskbar, as if
the focus is changing.  In either case, I still can't bring up my start menu
to work with my machine.  Can you recommend any suggestions?

Thanks much,

Scott

 

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RE: services, privacy win 10

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Yup, figuring out all the services is a bugger and there many many that
I have not figured out so leave alone.
I did turn off all the active tiles and then turned off apps running in the
background I don't use.
I also turned off Microsoft features I wouldn't use that sync or store
things in the Microsoft cloud since these require internet access behind the
scenes and may impact performance.
I left most the services alone since I couldn't figure out if they would be
needed as you mentioned but I think I turned a couple off or set them to
manual or whatever, that was some time ago.
I found a tool by typing "Reliability" into the start menu that abstracts
some of the information about performance and errors and it is somewhat
accessible with WindowEyes finding that Internet Explorer was crashing off
and on, ya I knew that but...
It looked like it was crashing during times I was not even using it -
perhaps something behind the scenes is using it while not displaying it?
I do know that if I am in Internet Explorer and it crashes it will lock up
WE for at least a time.
I could not figure out how to change the day nor week filters nor if there
is other data WindowEyes is not telling me and it is a bit clunky but at
least it works for recent, or weeks, messages that impact performance for
some things.
I am not confident enough to try anything related to setting up Performance
Counters and creating my own reports and using WindowEyes in the Microsoft
Management Console which is a split window with MDI elements is a bugger.
Anyway guys, I hope some of us actually learn how to use our machines and
the tools to manage it so we can share what we learn since it is a rather
complex set of tools and many are not very user friendly with WE and some
seem inaccessible unless we can figure out navigation and usage techniques
let alone what they do and how to use them even if they were accessible.
But these are the things the pros use when managing computers in a business
so it is either learn them, stay in the dark or put the Geek Squad on speed
dial - smile.
Rick USA


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Re: Gmail account setup

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
Following Marc's instructions, Outlook was set up with pop while it 
appears Gmail's default is Imap.


If I am able to gain access to Gmail after being locked out, then the 
default will be changed to pop.  Hopefully this will fix the problem.


Cheers
Neville.

On 31/08/2016 1:53 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

isn't this because outlook is useing the new email protacols from
microsoft, which is not the same as the old pop3 or i map?
or can outlook still use the old standards?
gmail also uses a secure ssl connection for both incomeing and outgoing
mail.
my i map is set to
smtp 465 for outgoing.
and 993 for incomeing.

-Original Message- From: Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:38 AM
To: 'Neville' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Gmail account setup

Neville, the only way I was able to do this was to use thunderbird as the
email client, like you outlook was a total waste of time but strangely TB
was not a problem at all.
Cheers
IC

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:26 PM
To: Window Eyes 
Subject: Gmail account setup

Hi,

I closely followed Marc's tutorial on setting up a Gmail account in Outlook
2013 but it won't work. I don't think the problem is at the Outlook end,
all
instructions were followed closely and rechecked,but more likely at the
Gmail site end.

After numerous unsuccessful tries in Outlook, I attempted to log into
gmail.com with Firefox.  Following entering the correct account details,a
message was displayed saying that unusual activity had been detected on the
account. The account is now blocked and I need to provide a phone number so
a code can be sent to unlock the account.
The Gmail account was originally set up and successfully tested at the
Gmail
site using Firefox prior to setting up Outlook.

Does anyone know ifGmail, in its settings somewhere, needs to be advised of
which email client will be employed to access email?

Thanks
Neville.

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Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Sorry Jim, I was just making an off-handed joke with Sky. Probably 
should have been a bit more thoughtful and considerate before firing it 
off.


I tend to agree with your sentiments when it comes to teaching one 
either how to use WE, but especially in how to make the best use of the 
Windows interface. More choices, more better .


Bad grammar?, my bad.

Larry



On 8/30/2016 8:37 PM, Jim wrote:

Sky, I would

 like to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.  When I was taking
an algebra class in college, my professor would give several methods for
solving problems.  A lot of students didn't like this.  I happen to be
in the minority.  I liked it, because if one method didn't work I would
have another method to try.  For example, some students liked to use
graphing to solve a problem while I preferred using the quadratic
formula to solve problems when that was possible. I feel that the more
ways we have to solve an issue the better off we are.  OK, I understand
that for a beginner too many ways might be a bit confusing, but as long
as one isn't overwhelmed with info, having more than one way to solved a
problem deffinetly works well for me!  Just another suggestion.  Have A
Good 1! de
.
On 30-Aug-16 21:23, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Sorry Sky, but I just can't resist. Are you applying for the position
?

On 8/30/2016 7:44 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Well, Steven Klower does the Window-Eyes tutorials, but I have a few
suggestions for how the tutorials could be improved.

1. When training clients, I always stick to one way of doing things.
What
that means, is I only do one method of showing the clents how to do
things.
Showing multiple ways can often clutter up the mind of the person who is
learning any screen reader, such as Window-Eyes.

2. The tutorials need to be presented in a easier-to-understand
language. It
should provide steps for accomplishing things, such as, to open up
Microsoft
word, do the following.

1. press the windows logo key. The windows logo key is located on the
bottom
left side of the keyboard, next to the left control key.

2. Type in the words word to open up Microsoft word.   Once you do that,
Window-Eyes will say your version number of office word, such as
2010, 2013,
or 2016.

3. After typing in the words word, press enter to open up Microsoft
office
word 2010.

I would also suggest that the manual be re-written in an easier to
understand language. I have read the manual and to me it doesn't
sound like
it is written in an easier to understand language for some people.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?
.would
anybody know?


Charlie Short


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Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

there is nothing wrong the manuals.
- Original Message - 
From: "Paulette Vickery via Talk" 
To: "'Sky Mundell'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 


Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?



Why not have someone who is good at writing and who understands how the
program works, write the manuals. That way when telling the several ways 
to

accomplish the same task, they could break the process down into separate
small modules; such as Ways To Open Microsoft Word, Opening Word Way one,
Opening Word Way Two, etc.

I also agree that writing the manual in layman's language rather than for
people who fully understand computers is best. If you can break 
information

about something down so that a 6 year old can understand what is being
explained, then everyone will be able to understand all explanations; 
plus,

language can always be modified once it is written out fully.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:57 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

That's ok Jim, your forgiven

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:40 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

My appologies to Sky.  I should have addressed the last message to
Larry-I believe. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
THANKS! de

.


On 30-Aug-16 21:23, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Sorry Sky, but I just can't resist. Are you applying for the position
?

On 8/30/2016 7:44 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Well, Steven Klower does the Window-Eyes tutorials, but I have a few
suggestions for how the tutorials could be improved.

1. When training clients, I always stick to one way of doing things.
What
that means, is I only do one method of showing the clents how to do
things.
Showing multiple ways can often clutter up the mind of the person who is
learning any screen reader, such as Window-Eyes.

2. The tutorials need to be presented in a easier-to-understand
language. It
should provide steps for accomplishing things, such as, to open up
Microsoft
word, do the following.

1. press the windows logo key. The windows logo key is located on the
bottom
left side of the keyboard, next to the left control key.

2. Type in the words word to open up Microsoft word.   Once you do that,
Window-Eyes will say your version number of office word, such as
2010, 2013,
or 2016.

3. After typing in the words word, press enter to open up Microsoft
office
word 2010.

I would also suggest that the manual be re-written in an easier to
understand language. I have read the manual and to me it doesn't
sound like
it is written in an easier to understand language for some people.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?
.would
anybody know?


Charlie Short


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