RE: Recovery

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Ted, if you have the 9.5.4 CD, you need not worry about anything dicy!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Recovery

[Ted Larson via Talk]

Dear List:

I purchased the window-eyes disc shortly before the certificate problem.
Now, I have updated to the latest version.  If I have to reinstall
window-eyes, what will happen if I try to install with the cd and then try
to upgrade to the latest window-eyes?  Will this certificate problem prevent
me from installing and then upgrading?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: getting rid of a folder on Thunderbird

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

When I set up my system almost two years ago, I had 32,000 emails backed 
up; I couldn't even get online The guy who was helping me called my ISP, 
who deleted all of them.

You might have to do this.

Peace.
Linette



On 1/30/2017 3:17 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,

There was a person on this list that said they used Thunderbird and had
a very large email folder.  They managed to get it from GBs in size down
to MBs.

I have a friend that has a gmail account.  She has this very large
folder, I believe the name of the folder is All Mail.  Inside this
folder are nearly 16,000 messages, most likely everything she has
received since setting up her gmail account.  She has tried to delete
the messages and the folder.  They keep coming back and rebuilding
themselves.  She wants them gone.  Can someone give me some possible
things to help her to try to get rid of this huge folder?  We have done
the obvious, shift-deleted all of the files and tried to remove the
folder, which will not delete.  Thank you for any assistance.

Carol


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Go Figure?

[Dave via Talk]

Hello,

I have a file, made with MS Word 2010.  This file was started in 2010,
and is a long document filled with Phone Numbers of people, Places and
government offices.

I have added to this document, subtracted from it, and is an on going
document I use all the time.  

Today, I was using a Windows 10 System, with MS Word 2010, and I called
this document up to use a phone number stored in this document.  

I had page after page of information, Phone numbers, address, Names of
Businesses etc.You could call it a Mini Phone Book.  

I could not find the numbers I needed.  And I knew they should be there. 
I had put them in there, so I know they should be there.   But, I could
not find them.

So, I do keep a Back up of this document, so I grabbed the document and
called it up on an older XP System, still using Window Eyes 8.4.This
system also has a copy of the Same MS Word 2010, installed from the same
Disc.  

And sure enough, the number I was looking for was there just as I
thought it should be.  

So I put the file on a Flash drive and take it to the Windows 10 system. 
I copy the file into the Documents folder and start up MS Word on the
Win 10 system.  

I am using Window Eyes 9.5 on this system, and once again, I could not
find the phone number that I had just read on this same file, on the
older system using the older Window eyes version.  

Now a lot of info was in the document.  So much so, that I would easily
believe the document was complete.  And yet, at least on this Win 10
system and WE 9.5, not everything is read.  

Very strange, and so I ask any here, does any here have any ideas why
this document is read totally by the older machine with the older copy
of WE, and only a few numbers are missing when the same document is
called up on the Win 10 with WE 9.5.  

Go Figure!  

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window Eyes recap

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I remember when HIMS was part of GW Micro.  I was surprised when they 
disconnected.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:42 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes recap

Brenda, your post sheds more light on the fears that have gripped my tiny
soul since the current situation unfolded.  I would never have known that GW
Micro was highly instrumental in getting HIMS, Inc. started in the United
States!

Like you, the help I have gotten from GW Micro has been stellar.  When my
wee, small company offered money transfer services through Moneygram, it was
Mr. Marc Solomon, now gone, who helped me gain some reasonable access to the
poorly written Moneygram software that I had to use.  Moneygram did have a
blind young man in their technical support department who was a Jaws user.
Note that I used the verb "was" because I'm not certain whether or not the
young man still works for Moneygram!  Sufficing to say, he was unable to
help me with any issues pertaining to the accessibility of the Moneygram
software.  I wondered what sort of services he was providing in tech
support, but I didn't ask him during our many conversations.

I do recall that Mr. Solomon and I spent several hours on the phone with
Moneygram whereby he was explaining to the company what it could do
differently to make its software fully accessible.  Sadly, Moneygram WAS NOT
WILLING to make the necessary changes contending that it would require a
rewrite of the software from the ground up!  I recall Mr. Solomon indicating
to the official we were in contact with that a rewrite of the software would
not be necessary and he did his best to point out the tweaks that could have
been made to their software with relative ease.  In the end, Moneygram would
not budge and I had to terminate whatever contracts my company had with it.

I realise that I am an ancient wine repouring myself into a bottomless
bottle!  Be that as it may, I've never heard, in this industry, of a
similarly situated corporation that goes over and perhaps beyond the call of
duty like GW Micro did for and with me.  My fears are not allayed; rather,
they remain in place!  The writing on the wall seems clear enough but
perhaps I should quit reading it, or else learn to indulge in false
pretense!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Regardless of what happens with WE, you can't conflate a lack of support 
with the demise of a product.  With mergers there are organizational 
changes which will be made.

On 1/30/2017 8:10 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Oh yeah,
>
> Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
> nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
> recently?
>
> Peter Duran
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
> To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
> now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
> released, I'm sure.
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Peter: that is my very point.

Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question way, 
and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  Doug, David 
Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know what is 
going on.

So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
us a corporate update.



Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
recently?

Peter Duran



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years now 
and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
recently?

Peter Duran



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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Re: getting rid of a folder on Thunderbird

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Carol,

I did write to the WE list some months ago with a problem of the 
Thunderbird Profile folder increasing in size over time even though 
messages had been deleted from the message and trash boxes.  Your friend 
has a different problem but the same steps should work.

Neville

Instructions:
Download the latest Thunderbird and install it over the existing copy. 
If the latest copy is already installed then just hold on to the latest 
TBird programme because it will be used later.


Save any important email messages located in any folder because all will 
be gone soon.


To be on the safe side, back upthe the Thunderbird folder found under 
app data\roaming
This folder contains three entries with one being the large Profile 
folder. If all goes wrong then the Profile folder can be copied back to 
its original position.  All will be as it was previously.


Or better still, just rename the Roaming\Thunderbirdfolder  to something 
like oldtbird.

But don't rename this folder until after backing up the settings with
Mozbackup.

Do a search for this utility and although it is out of date, it works well.

After installation, run the utility and choose to save the Thunderbird 
settings. There are a number of boxes to check or uncheck depending what 
is to be saved. Account details and addresses will need to be saved but 
not the emails.


If not sure which settings to save then numerous backup files can be 
made with different settings checked.



Once satisfied with the settings chosen, rename the Roaming\Thunderbird 
folder as mentioned above.


Now, using the latest Tbird download, install it andd a new folder, 
Roaming\Thunderbird  will be created with a small blank Profile folder.


Make a copy of this new Roaming\Thunderbird folder to be on the safe 
side.  If you want to try some other settings then you have a folder 
containing the blank Profile folder.


Using the Mozbackup utility,install the settings  from the files created 
earlier.


Run Thunderbird and check what has been installed and what is now missing.

If you are satisfied then the backup folders can be deleted or the 
original folder can be renamed and Thunderbird will be the same as 
before you started.  i.e. you can experiment until you are happy with 
the results.


The above seems complicated and dangerous but it is not.  Each step of 
the way copies have been made and if all fails, just use the original 
large Profile and you'll be back to where you started.


Please let me know how  it goes.


On 31/01/2017 7:17 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,

There was a person on this list that said they used Thunderbird and had
a very large email folder.  They managed to get it from GBs in size down
to MBs.

I have a friend that has a gmail account.  She has this very large
folder, I believe the name of the folder is All Mail.  Inside this
folder are nearly 16,000 messages, most likely everything she has
received since setting up her gmail account.  She has tried to delete
the messages and the folder.  They keep coming back and rebuilding
themselves.  She wants them gone.  Can someone give me some possible
things to help her to try to get rid of this huge folder?  We have done
the obvious, shift-deleted all of the files and tried to remove the
folder, which will not delete.  Thank you for any assistance.

Carol


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Charles Short via Talk]

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Actually yes: and some of us have.  We've contacted VFO and I for one never 
even got the courtesy of an auto response.
And further yes: alert people through opinion and evidence that what is 
happening is important, and that assuming that VFO still has someone looking 
after this list through AI Squared - continue to express disatisfaction.

VFO has at least two choices: a growing number of unhappy and dissatisfied 
customers, or a growing number of satisfied customers.  The choice is VFO's.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 9:25 a.m.
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar what. 
 If not, why not save yourselves time?

Kim Lingo


-Original Message-
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have nothing 
to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture, is 
about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Brenda via Talk]

I think what is relevant depends on who you are.  I was going about my 
life and had no idea of the issues until I got the email about the 
emergency update.  A call to tech support further alarmed me so I posted 
my question/concern to this list.  The replies gave me some idea of what 
was going on.  I really didn't find anyone to be snyppy.  It was helpful 
and comforting to learn the history of W-e from its beginnings in the 
90s among other things related to this topic.  The replies helped me to 
process the whole situation.



I have used Window-Eyes for about 10 years, and as my vision declined I 
came to rely on it. Every day I am greeted by Window-Eyes when I turn on 
my computer.  In the past, I knew I would find the help I needed from 
the folks at GW I had gotten to know over the phone.



I will use W-E as long as I can, but it does help me to know I'm not 
alone.  And since we aren't hearing much from AI squared, at least this 
list is a way to get clues so I'm not totally in the dark.



I do not plan on continuing to discuss this, unless I have future 
questions or maybe to compare info.  And, had this list not been here, I 
would be really clueless.



With the info I have received I can go on with my life.  I hope this is 
sufficient for those who aren't happy with this topic.



thanks for your patience

Brenda




On 1/30/2017 3:25 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can 
they actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting 
to hedar what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and 
itsFuture,

is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave




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getting rid of a folder on Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Listers,

There was a person on this list that said they used Thunderbird and had 
a very large email folder.  They managed to get it from GBs in size down 
to MBs.


I have a friend that has a gmail account.  She has this very large 
folder, I believe the name of the folder is All Mail.  Inside this 
folder are nearly 16,000 messages, most likely everything she has 
received since setting up her gmail account.  She has tried to delete 
the messages and the folder.  They keep coming back and rebuilding 
themselves.  She wants them gone.  Can someone give me some possible 
things to help her to try to get rid of this huge folder?  We have done 
the obvious, shift-deleted all of the files and tried to remove the 
folder, which will not delete.  Thank you for any assistance.


Carol


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Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Mike Bernard via Talk]

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

Mike

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we update 1.3.3 app

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

To the staff and WE users:
The latest WE Update app doesn’t install properly.
I get the message (this is a “TIS” file, do you want to run it anyway?)
It appears that latest package didn’t get uploaded properly.
thanks
Jeff Weiss

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Kim Lingo via Talk]

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar 
what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Does NVDA have anything to do with Window-eyes?  The point is this list 
is filled with "irelevant  and inaccurate messages which some think, 
clutter the board..

On 1/30/2017 1:33 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
> nothing to do with Window eyes?
>
>
> Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
> is about Window Eyes?
>
> but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?
>
> Sir, you have questionable logic.
>
> Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
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RE: Window Eyes recap

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Brenda, your post sheds more light on the fears that have gripped my tiny
soul since the current situation unfolded.  I would never have known that GW
Micro was highly instrumental in getting HIMS, Inc. started in the United
States!  

Like you, the help I have gotten from GW Micro has been stellar.  When my
wee, small company offered money transfer services through Moneygram, it was
Mr. Marc Solomon, now gone, who helped me gain some reasonable access to the
poorly written Moneygram software that I had to use.  Moneygram did have a
blind young man in their technical support department who was a Jaws user.
Note that I used the verb "was" because I'm not certain whether or not the
young man still works for Moneygram!  Sufficing to say, he was unable to
help me with any issues pertaining to the accessibility of the Moneygram
software.  I wondered what sort of services he was providing in tech
support, but I didn't ask him during our many conversations.

I do recall that Mr. Solomon and I spent several hours on the phone with
Moneygram whereby he was explaining to the company what it could do
differently to make its software fully accessible.  Sadly, Moneygram WAS NOT
WILLING to make the necessary changes contending that it would require a
rewrite of the software from the ground up!  I recall Mr. Solomon indicating
to the official we were in contact with that a rewrite of the software would
not be necessary and he did his best to point out the tweaks that could have
been made to their software with relative ease.  In the end, Moneygram would
not budge and I had to terminate whatever contracts my company had with it.

I realise that I am an ancient wine repouring myself into a bottomless
bottle!  Be that as it may, I've never heard, in this industry, of a
similarly situated corporation that goes over and perhaps beyond the call of
duty like GW Micro did for and with me.  My fears are not allayed; rather,
they remain in place!  The writing on the wall seems clear enough but
perhaps I should quit reading it, or else learn to indulge in false
pretense!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?  


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?  

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?  

Sir, you have questionable logic.  

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?  

Grumpy Dave


-- 
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Jee! it would certainly be nice to actually read something Window-Eyes 
related instead of a bunch of sniping jiberish! I seriously believe 
their is nothing dead about Window-Eyes so why don't the folks that wish 
to talk about the death of W.E. create their own group.  They might call 
it window-Eyes is dead.  While the rest of us continue to use it.


I for one am getting sick and tired of reading about the demise of 
something before it has been declared dead..?.
P.S. I do not work for nore represent in anyway ASquared so please do 
not ask me that!

Jim Wohlgamuth
On 29-Jan-17 00:38, Robert Grimwood via Talk wrote:

Chris,


do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have 
available.



LOL

Robert


On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, 
andgo!



On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the 
work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people 
who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently > gone. > > Peter Duran 
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Re: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Installed this with WE Version 8.4 and when you use the hotkey for time and 
date, insert plus T, it announces the Day of the week name in a non-US 
English language.  I did verify that i have US English selected.  The Month 
and year are spoken correctly.

Amanda Lee


- Original Message - 
From: "David via Talk" 
To: "WE English Mailinglist" 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:52 PM
Subject: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note


To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.


V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.


As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the
package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing
you that the license time was about to expire. All due to a bug in the
software.


The Extended Dictionary package now has been updated, the bug fixed, and
the license period been prolonged considerably for all parts of the
package. All users will need to update their Extended Dictionary
installation, should you want to continue using the app.


Due to technical issues, I have been unable to upload the updated WEPM
file to the App Central, all weekend. I will be dealing with the issues
of the upload as time permits. Yet, I want you all to get your free copy
of the updated package immediately. It therefore has been released
outside App Central, and can be downloaded from the link below.


Notice:

To stop any speculations, the technical issues I am experiencing with
upload to App Central, has nothing to do with any merging of GW,
AISquared and VFO.


You find the newest version of the extended Dictionary here, and may
want to keep this link, as it will be used for future versions in
release as well:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=0


Please contact me directly, should you have any further issues,
questions or good ideas.


-- 
David
(Author of the
Extended Dictionary
for Window-Eyes Screen Reader)

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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I would be interested in knowing, did you try the current version of 
window-eyes in  build 15002 of windows?  If so,  did you find any problems?


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:02 PM
To: 'Stan Gowin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dave'
Subject: RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Hi:

Well, I've played with Narrator, even the one in the build 15002 of Windows, 
and, it has a long way to go to come close to even NVDA, System Access, Jaws 
or Window-Eyes.


I hope we still have a few choices, because, I would be very upset if 
Narrator was the only game in town.


The speech engines from Microsoft are about as responsive as an old serial 
synthesizer running at about 10 baud.  In short, they suck, as far as 
responsiveness is concerned.  Sure, they sound ok, but, they're falling 
short of the mark in everything else.


On the Mac platform, I was blown away by Alex's responsiveness.  Alex is a 
great voice, and, if you've never used a Mac, you just won't believe how 
responsive Alex is.  And, with the Mac even being faster, I imagine Alex is 
even more responsive.


Anyway, with all due respect, Microsoft would have a lot of catching up to 
do before they can even touch NVDA, let alone the paid screen-readers.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Stan Gowin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing 
to the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several 
of the screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.


The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of 
Window Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper 
adaptive solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows 
Apple and improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with 
the expensive screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it 
won’t be just WE that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar 
screen reader will be untenable.



Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini

On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk  
wrote:


Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When
that staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not
a Good Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone
for good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow
their employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a
much smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources
to update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin,
and make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make many
adjustments along the Path we all have 

Re: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

[brice Mijares via Talk]

What is and what does the extended dictionary do?

On 1/30/2017 2:17 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

First, if I may make a suggestion about the url you gave.

Whenever you issue a link to a dropbox file, if you just use the link they
give you, all users get a web page advertising dropbox first.  If you change
the 0 at the end of the link to a 1, the file downloads directly without any
advertising from dropbox.

So, the link that will make your package download directly, without any
dropbox advertising would look like:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=1

Should make things easier.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:52 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.


V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.


As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the
package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing you
that the license time was about to expire. All due to a bug in the software.


The Extended Dictionary package now has been updated, the bug fixed, and the
license period been prolonged considerably for all parts of the package. All
users will need to update their Extended Dictionary installation, should you
want to continue using the app.


Due to technical issues, I have been unable to upload the updated WEPM file
to the App Central, all weekend. I will be dealing with the issues of the
upload as time permits. Yet, I want you all to get your free copy of the
updated package immediately. It therefore has been released outside App
Central, and can be downloaded from the link below.


Notice:

To stop any speculations, the technical issues I am experiencing with upload
to App Central, has nothing to do with any merging of GW, AISquared and VFO.


You find the newest version of the extended Dictionary here, and may want to
keep this link, as it will be used for future versions in release as well:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=0


Please contact me directly, should you have any further issues, questions or
good ideas.



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Re: making the change

[Portia Scott via Talk]

Hi,

As this isn't the subject of this list, if you have any questions, you can feel 
free to email my main email address at portia.sc...@gmail.com.

I will be happy to answer whatever questions you may have.

Portia.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk 
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 4:58 pm
Subject: making the change


So for someone who uses their computer for Email and web surfing how 
hard is to make the change to a Mac laptop?
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RE: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

First, if I may make a suggestion about the url you gave.

Whenever you issue a link to a dropbox file, if you just use the link they
give you, all users get a web page advertising dropbox first.  If you change
the 0 at the end of the link to a 1, the file downloads directly without any
advertising from dropbox.

So, the link that will make your package download directly, without any
dropbox advertising would look like:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=1

Should make things easier.



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Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:52 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.


V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.


As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the
package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing you
that the license time was about to expire. All due to a bug in the software.


The Extended Dictionary package now has been updated, the bug fixed, and the
license period been prolonged considerably for all parts of the package. All
users will need to update their Extended Dictionary installation, should you
want to continue using the app.


Due to technical issues, I have been unable to upload the updated WEPM file
to the App Central, all weekend. I will be dealing with the issues of the
upload as time permits. Yet, I want you all to get your free copy of the
updated package immediately. It therefore has been released outside App
Central, and can be downloaded from the link below.


Notice:

To stop any speculations, the technical issues I am experiencing with upload
to App Central, has nothing to do with any merging of GW, AISquared and VFO.


You find the newest version of the extended Dictionary here, and may want to
keep this link, as it will be used for future versions in release as well:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=0


Please contact me directly, should you have any further issues, questions or
good ideas.


-- 
David
(Author of the
Extended Dictionary
for Window-Eyes Screen Reader)

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Re: Extended Dictionary, V0.69.5.1, Important Release Note

[Pele West via Talk]

Hi David

Thank you very much for the new Extended Dictionary.

Pele West

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:52:16 +
David via Talk  wrote:

> To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.
> 
> 
> V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.
> 
> 
> As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the 
> package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing 
> you that the license time was about to expire. All due to a bug in the 
> software.
> 
> 
> The Extended Dictionary package now has been updated, the bug fixed, and 
> the license period been prolonged considerably for all parts of the 
> package. All users will need to update their Extended Dictionary 
> installation, should you want to continue using the app.
> 
> 
> Due to technical issues, I have been unable to upload the updated WEPM 
> file to the App Central, all weekend. I will be dealing with the issues 
> of the upload as time permits. Yet, I want you all to get your free copy 
> of the updated package immediately. It therefore has been released 
> outside App Central, and can be downloaded from the link below.
> 
> 
> Notice:
> 
> To stop any speculations, the technical issues I am experiencing with 
> upload to App Central, has nothing to do with any merging of GW, 
> AISquared and VFO.
> 
> 
> You find the newest version of the extended Dictionary here, and may 
> want to keep this link, as it will be used for future versions in 
> release as well:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=0
> 
> 
> Please contact me directly, should you have any further issues, 
> questions or good ideas.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David
> (Author of the
> Extended Dictionary
> for Window-Eyes Screen Reader)
> 
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Re: making the change

[michaeel's mail via Talk]

Not that hard Don.
The mac uses a key called command witch is same as ault on windows.
It has control key.
And their are few different ways to do things but just go on youtube and 
learn about voice over..

Or play some pod casts.
Cheers Michael.

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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 11:58 AM
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Subject: making the change

So for someone who uses their computer for Email and web surfing how
hard is to make the change to a Mac laptop?
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