Re: Window-Eyes and the List are Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Well, at least you created a constructive post.

On 2/24/2017 2:15 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> It amazes me how folks prefer to engage in denial.  Window-Eyes is dead and 
> Trump is a sociopath, get over it!
>
> Peter Duran
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Window-Eyes and the List are Dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

It amazes me how folks prefer to engage in denial.  Window-Eyes is dead and 
Trump is a sociopath, get over it!

Peter Duran
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RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

A lot of folks swear by JAWS simply because they'vee always used it and it
has done what they need.

I bought WE because it did what I wanted, was cheaper, and I liked the
licensing model, e.g. they did not use copy protection, meaning they trusted
me, as a user, not to give copies away to someone else.  I have respected
that trust.

I have used JAWS at my previous job, and, apart from learning the
differences between the products, had no serious issues with either one.

There are things one product does better than the other, but, over all, I
can work with either one.  I do like Window-Eyes' approach to screen review
better than JAWS', because, in JAWS, you have to switch from PC cursor to
JAWS cursor to do any kind of screen review.  Window-Eyes, on the other
hand, expects you to use the separate arrow keys to do actual movement, but,
the numeric pad to do any reviewing of the screen.  If you are in JAWS, and
are using the JAWS cursor and try to use the separate set of arrow keys to
move around a document or Web page, things do not work as expected, because
you haven't gone back to PC Cursor.  The JAWS method of things seems to
harken back to the days of the old PC keyboard without the separate arrow
keys, where the arrow keys were in conjunction with the numpad.  But, if
it's all you're used to, you know it anyway and work with it.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Andre ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; 'Sky Mundell' 
Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Something I've always wondered, anecdotal, but I know Jaws users who swear
by Jaws. Why? Are they all ignorant? I don't have any plans to replace my WE
with Jaws, but I bet if I had joined a Jaws list, I'd encounter blind
consumers who have little positive to say about WE.  So I'm asking, WE users
to state why Jaws is terrible.  I'm not interested in hearing about bad
customer service or a lower price (I purchased WE because it was cheaper).
I would like someone to address only the two products.

On 2/23/2017 4:48 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW 
> Micro since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh
in.
> Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
> Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. 
> Otherwise they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We 
> vote with our wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less
what we think.
> Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't 
> get rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and 
> expect to continue that great product line. That's the height of 
> errogance or stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. 
> You create a situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro 
> merged with AISquared who then really sold out to be gobbled up by 
> VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt Doug knows exactly what's going on and 
> what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but unfortunately he isn't an 
> independent business owner any more. He now works for VFO and must 
> abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making what he 
> felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of 
> us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. 
> But why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care
to listen.
>
> In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that 
> would count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with 
> our voices on blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any 
> future products produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I 
> would like since they have eliminated much of the competition thereby 
> destroying much of the consumer's choice. This country through its 
> laws was supposed to support especially minority groups being 
> oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a word than the one I 
> wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported by 
> AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real 
> merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be 
> apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. 
> Hopefully there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out 
> there, Narrator and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would 
> really have to come up a lot to even get anywhere close to where 
> Window-Eyes was. We'll have to lend some support to the NVDA 
> developers via donations. We all have to make our own business decisions
and what works best for each of us. There isn't another company like GW
Micro was.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> 

RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

What made you think they ever expected to continue the window-eyes 
product.  I don't believe that was ever in the cards.  Why on earth 
would they sell two screen readers.  Of course they'll sell you current 
version of window-eyes, and they'll likely sell you a s m a.  If you're 
willing to give them money, why not.  Freedom's customer support has 
been terrible over the years, so no jaws for me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 
Andre via Talk wrote:



I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW Micro
since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in.
Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. Otherwise
they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We vote with our
wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we think.
Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't get
rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and expect to
continue that great product line. That's the height of errogance or
stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. You create a
situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro merged with AISquared
who then really sold out to be gobbled up by VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt
Doug knows exactly what's going on and what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but
unfortunately he isn't an independent business owner any more. He now works
for VFO and must abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making
what he felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of
us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. But
why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to
listen.

In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that would
count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with our voices on
blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any future products
produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I would like since they have
eliminated much of the competition thereby destroying much of the consumer's
choice. This country through its laws was supposed to support especially
minority groups being oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a word
than the one I wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported
by AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real
merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be
apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. Hopefully
there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out there, Narrator
and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would really have to come
up a lot to even get anywhere close to where Window-Eyes was. We'll have to
lend some support to the NVDA developers via donations. We all have to make
our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't
another company like GW Micro was.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM
To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
school?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 at age
10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this reader
day in and day out warranted some sort of response.

First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the latest
build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support person said that
they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. I reformatted the hard
drive, which I had planned to do at some oint to clean things up, and the
driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I bring all of this up because I said,
point blank, "I have had this issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with
me and we figured it out." The support person's response was, "those guys
aren't here anymore, so ..."
So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of
window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most basic
of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt.

So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot afford
JFW, my Voc Rehab case is closed, and not sure about learning a new screen
reader. Or then there's NVDA, free, but confusing for me. Maybe it's easier
than I think it is to learn the structure.
All for 

Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Dave Bahr via Talk]

Yes, all three of them. By middle school I was teaching others how to use it 
and got a 96 on the certification exam a few years back, have been helping in 
the beta cycle since, version 5 at least. 






On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:03 PM -0700, "Sky Mundell"  wrote:










Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
school?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 at age
10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this reader
day in and day out warranted some sort of response.

First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the latest
build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support person said that
they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. I reformatted the hard
drive, which I had planned to do at some oint to clean things up, and the
driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I bring all of this up because I said,
point blank, "I have had this issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with
me and we figured it out." The support person's response was, "those guys
aren't here anymore, so ..." 
So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of
window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most basic
of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt. 

So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot afford
JFW, my Voc Rehab case is closed, and not sure about learning a new screen
reader. Or then there's NVDA, free, but confusing for me. Maybe it's easier
than I think it is to learn the structure. 
All for now, just my quick thoughts.
Thanks, Dave
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dcbahr1=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Loy

Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade.  The zt
we combo works so well for me.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Feb 23, 2017 1:53 PM, "Loy via Talk"  wrote:

> I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I wonder if VFO even knows 
> what they are going to do with Window Eyes.  I was told that the 
> current version of Fusion is powered by Window Eyes, but the next 
> release will be powered by JAWS. ZoomText 11, just released says it 
> works great with JAWS but no mention of WE. I asked support if ZT 11 
> would work with WE as well as ZT 10.1, the support person said 
> management had not told them. Then later I got an email that said it
should.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:07 PM
>   Subject: Where are the informed comentators?
>
>
>   Hi all.
>
>   List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
>   as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
>   hit delete "now."
>
>   But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
>   critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed
>   adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with
>   leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is
>   happening in this access technology market place.
>
>   I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with
>   the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
>   behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
>   development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
>   technology.
>
>   Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
>   the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of
>   rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other
>   software" option that people have referred to when talking about
>   telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a
>   payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to
>   have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - 
> not VFO.
>
>   Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.
>
>   Vaughan.
>
>
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RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Enterprise compliance?  Hmm, silly play on words!  It's all good; after all,
a secretary, unless such a one works for government, is an Administrative
Assistant.  Got to love that!

When GW Micro was alive and well, the company always went overboard to help
me make Window-Eyes work with whatever app I needed for work purposes.  This
is one huge reason why I prefer Window-Eyes over Jaws!  Another reason:  I
don't have to deal with a DONGLE and I could install Window-Eyes on more
than two or three computers.  The SMA were generous and, back in its hay
days, an LTO was in place.  There also wasn't any price differential between
a standard and a pro license.  In that regard, I did not feel cheated!

But, this is reality:  Whatever CSUN or CMoon may say in March--whatever
ATIA may conjure--whatever the various Conventions may whisper in my ears--I
remain ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN beyond allthings else that Window-Eyes is no
longer dying, it is dead and I am just skinning it to smitherings for
purposes of scientific experiment.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk]

I think that both jaws and window-eyes are really great screen readers. The
thing you need to take in to consideration is what things does jaws do that
window-eyes can't do. And the same thing when it comes to window-eyes. I
have used the window-eyes for office version and while I noticed some
differences with window-eyes and jaws, I noticed that when I used jaws and
when I used the mail app for windows10 I noticed that the inbox would focus
with jaws. But when using the mail app for windows 10 with Window-eyes the
mailbox would not focus. While I asked about this on the list when it came
to window-eyes and the mail app, I still haven't emailed aisquared support
on this issue, which I will do after this message. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Andre; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Something I've always wondered, anecdotal, but I know Jaws users who 
swear by Jaws. Why? Are they all ignorant? I don't have any plans to 
replace my WE with Jaws, but I bet if I had joined a Jaws list, I'd 
encounter blind consumers who have little positive to say about WE.  So 
I'm asking, WE users to state why Jaws is terrible.  I'm not interested 
in hearing about bad customer service or a lower price (I purchased WE 
because it was cheaper).  I would like someone to address only the two 
products.

On 2/23/2017 4:48 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW Micro
> since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in.
> Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
> Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. Otherwise
> they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We vote with our
> wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we
think.
> Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't get
> rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and expect to
> continue that great product line. That's the height of errogance or
> stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. You create a
> situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro merged with
AISquared
> who then really sold out to be gobbled up by VFO. It makes me sad. No
doubt
> Doug knows exactly what's going on and what the plan is for Window-Eyes,
but
> unfortunately he isn't an independent business owner any more. He now
works
> for VFO and must abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for
making
> what he felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most
of
> us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. But
> why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to
> listen.
>
> In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that would
> count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with our voices
on
> blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any future products
> produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I would like since they
have
> eliminated much of the competition thereby destroying much of the
consumer's
> choice. This country through its laws was supposed to support especially
> minority groups being oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a
word
> than the one I wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel
supported
> by AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real
> merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be
> apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout.
Hopefully
> there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out there,
Narrator
> and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would really have to come
> up a lot to even get anywhere close to where Window-Eyes was. We'll have
to
> lend some support to the NVDA developers via donations. We all have to
make
> our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't
> another company like GW Micro was.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM
> To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?
>
> Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
> school?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?
>
> I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
> literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my 

RE: saving attachments in Outlook 2013

[Barbara via Talk]

I have windows 7 and Outlook 2013, but I would guess the steps are the same
for this.  There is a Window-Eyes hotkey control-alt-a.  If you press this
with your email message open, you can tab to several options which includes
save.  Just follow the prompts and select the folder you wish the
attachments to be sent to.

I hope this works for you.

Barbara


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 PM
To: Window Eyes 
Subject: saving attachments in Outlook 2013

Hi,

Using: W10, Outlook 2013 latest WE

Can someone please list the steps to save an attachment or attachments 
in Outlook 2013?

Thanks
Neville.

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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Something I've always wondered, anecdotal, but I know Jaws users who 
swear by Jaws. Why? Are they all ignorant? I don't have any plans to 
replace my WE with Jaws, but I bet if I had joined a Jaws list, I'd 
encounter blind consumers who have little positive to say about WE.  So 
I'm asking, WE users to state why Jaws is terrible.  I'm not interested 
in hearing about bad customer service or a lower price (I purchased WE 
because it was cheaper).  I would like someone to address only the two 
products.

On 2/23/2017 4:48 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW Micro
> since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in.
> Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
> Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. Otherwise
> they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We vote with our
> wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we think.
> Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't get
> rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and expect to
> continue that great product line. That's the height of errogance or
> stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. You create a
> situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro merged with AISquared
> who then really sold out to be gobbled up by VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt
> Doug knows exactly what's going on and what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but
> unfortunately he isn't an independent business owner any more. He now works
> for VFO and must abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making
> what he felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of
> us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. But
> why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to
> listen.
>
> In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that would
> count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with our voices on
> blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any future products
> produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I would like since they have
> eliminated much of the competition thereby destroying much of the consumer's
> choice. This country through its laws was supposed to support especially
> minority groups being oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a word
> than the one I wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported
> by AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real
> merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be
> apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. Hopefully
> there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out there, Narrator
> and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would really have to come
> up a lot to even get anywhere close to where Window-Eyes was. We'll have to
> lend some support to the NVDA developers via donations. We all have to make
> our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't
> another company like GW Micro was.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM
> To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?
>
> Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
> school?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?
>
> I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
> literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 at age
> 10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this reader
> day in and day out warranted some sort of response.
>
> First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the latest
> build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support person said that
> they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. I reformatted the hard
> drive, which I had planned to do at some oint to clean things up, and the
> driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I bring all of this up because I said,
> point blank, "I have had this issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with
> me and we figured it out." The support person's response was, "those guys
> aren't here anymore, so ..."
> So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of
> window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most basic
> of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt.
>
> So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot 

saving attachments in Outlook 2013

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,

Using: W10, Outlook 2013 latest WE

Can someone please list the steps to save an attachment or attachments 
in Outlook 2013?


Thanks
Neville.

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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Brenda via Talk]

Hello List,


I was starting to feel status quo and then the topic came up again.  The 
depressing thing is that it presents a sad reality.



According to linkedin Aaron Smith works for VFO in a role called 
"enterprise Compliance."  Not really sure what that is, but here is an 
interesting definition...



deloitte.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/files/2013/07/EnterpriseCompliance.pdf f
Result details
Enterprise compliance is a coordinated approach to compliance
 spanning multiple businesses, organizational units, and geographies, 
enabled by people, processes, and technology.



You can surf for even more interesting/scary  definitions, but the thing 
I'm taking away is that VFO is looking out for their interests and 
definitely doesn't care about us.



And I doubt they even care if we don't purchase Window-Eyes or jowls.


The thing that annoys me is that VFO probably won't develop one more 
major upgrade for W-e which would give me an install disk for 9.5.4 and 
beyond.  Since this recent fix was not a major upgrade they will send a 
disk  for $20 probably or a link to the upgrade assuming you have an 
alternate screen reader or sighted assistance to install it.  I guess 
you have to have an older disk, install it, then if it is earlier than 
the certificate issue install 9.5.4 that you have save to a 
(non-install) disk.  fortunately I have W-E disks back to 7.5+-.



When I spoke with the VFO ?support? person she said she gets lots of 
calls from W-e users.  I'm guessing VFO is trying to figure out the best 
way to deal with a large group of displaced users.  I suspect that in 
the narrow noncompetitive market they can do whatever they want and are 
just trying to assess the risks.



I'm hoping that at C-sun people will be asking questions and that 
answers will appear on various lists or maybe even an announcement from 
VFO (not holding my breath).  I'm hoping NVDA continues to improve for 
my win7 machine.  Perhaps for win10 narrator will be like voiceover is 
to the mac.  And since GW used to work with Microsoft, I wonder if the 
MS accessibility folks will try to include W-e features - one can hope.



Brenda


Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:08 PM

To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Loy

Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade.  The zt
we combo works so well for me.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Feb 23, 2017 1:53 PM, "Loy via Talk"  wrote:


I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I wonder if VFO even knows
what they are going to do with Window Eyes.  I was told that the
current version of Fusion is powered by Window Eyes, but the next
release will be powered by JAWS. ZoomText 11, just released says it
works great with JAWS but no mention of WE. I asked support if ZT 11
would work with WE as well as ZT 10.1, the support person said
management had not told them. Then later I got an email that said it

should.

   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:07 PM
   Subject: Where are the informed comentators?


   Hi all.

   List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
   as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
   hit delete "now."

   But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
   critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed
   adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with
   leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is
   happening in this access technology market place.

   I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with
   the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
   behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
   development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
   technology.

   Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
   the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of
   rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other
   software" option that people have referred to when talking about
   telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a
   payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to
   have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS -
not VFO.

   Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.

   Vaughan.


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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Thanks for sending this over.
Comparing these frequency bands, I can remember why I switched to the ISO 
Standard frequency bands. (It was many years ago.)
I noticed that the low end seemed a little too high with the Winamp 
frequency bands. In other words, the lows were not very low. I don't think 
you can get a decent low end starting at 70 Hertz.
Also, I liked the high end better with the ISO Standard bands. Why would you 
put three settings so close together? I could hardly tell the difference 
between the three highest settings.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

Ok, here are the equalizer freqs for both ISO and Winamp:

ISO Standard Equalizer frequency table:
31.5, 63, 125, 250, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000, 16000
Winamp EQ frequency table:
70, 180, 320, 600, 1000, 3000, 6000, 12000, 14000, 16000





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RE: deleteing bookmarks in mozilla

[Charles Short via Talk]

What you do is you go to bookmarks, all bookmarks, select the ones you want
and press delete. ...That's it.


Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:36 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: deleteing bookmarks in mozilla

Hi,

 Can anyone tell me how to delete bookmarks in Mozilla.  

I am using windows 10 anniversary edition, the most current window eyes and
the most current version of Mozilla.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

 

 
Dave

 


 

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love truly and forgive quickly." 

 
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RE: deleteing bookmarks in mozilla

[Charles Short via Talk]

What you do is go to bookmarks, all bookmarks and select the ones you want
and press delete. ...That's it.


Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:36 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: deleteing bookmarks in mozilla

Hi,

 Can anyone tell me how to delete bookmarks in Mozilla.  

I am using windows 10 anniversary edition, the most current window eyes and
the most current version of Mozilla.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

 

 
Dave

 


 

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RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[Andre via Talk]

I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW Micro
since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in.
Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. Otherwise
they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We vote with our
wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we think.
Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't get
rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and expect to
continue that great product line. That's the height of errogance or
stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. You create a
situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro merged with AISquared
who then really sold out to be gobbled up by VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt
Doug knows exactly what's going on and what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but
unfortunately he isn't an independent business owner any more. He now works
for VFO and must abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making
what he felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of
us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. But
why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to
listen.

In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that would
count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with our voices on
blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any future products
produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I would like since they have
eliminated much of the competition thereby destroying much of the consumer's
choice. This country through its laws was supposed to support especially
minority groups being oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a word
than the one I wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported
by AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real
merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be
apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. Hopefully
there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out there, Narrator
and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would really have to come
up a lot to even get anywhere close to where Window-Eyes was. We'll have to
lend some support to the NVDA developers via donations. We all have to make
our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't
another company like GW Micro was.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM
To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
school?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 at age
10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this reader
day in and day out warranted some sort of response.

First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the latest
build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support person said that
they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. I reformatted the hard
drive, which I had planned to do at some oint to clean things up, and the
driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I bring all of this up because I said,
point blank, "I have had this issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with
me and we figured it out." The support person's response was, "those guys
aren't here anymore, so ..." 
So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of
window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most basic
of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt. 

So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot afford
JFW, my Voc Rehab case is closed, and not sure about learning a new screen
reader. Or then there's NVDA, free, but confusing for me. Maybe it's easier
than I think it is to learn the structure. 
All for now, just my quick thoughts.
Thanks, Dave
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dcbahr1=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Loy

Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade.  The zt
we combo works so well for me.


"the world has been 

Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Ok, here are the equalizer freqs for both ISO and Winamp:

ISO Standard Equalizer frequency table:
31.5, 63, 125, 250, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000, 16000
Winamp EQ frequency table:
70, 180, 320, 600, 1000, 3000, 6000, 12000, 14000, 16000





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RE: the VFOExpereince

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

This would be nice to know. I see updates being posted about other screen
readers along with updates wile nothing regarding window-eyes and no
updates. It seems like window-eyes is falling behind.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:33 AM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the VFOExpereince

I hope some one from Blind Bargains will ask someone from the VFO group what

the future status is of Window-Eyes at CSUN?

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:04 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: the VFOExpereince

Hello,

Yeah, with  no mention ofWindow Eyes on the Menus, unless you choose,
"Other Software", it does make you wonder.At least it does me.

I know, I know, some on here are Susie SunShines when it comes to the
future of Window Eyes. And Honestly, I hope all of youSparkeling
Examples ofRadiant Positivism are so Right and the Doubting Dogthat I am,
will turn out to be so Wrong. I DO Like Window Eyes and I am sorry, that
the Staff has been dismantled and scattered to the four winds.

It is a Shame,because as a Group, they provided very good Service and
Support.  And their Products Vocalize and Window Eyes were often very
very good.

My own VFO experience was not as useful or Helpful as Brenda's.

Mine ended uptaking about 45 minutes, and ending with getting ZeroHelp.

Spoke with one guy who knew nothing about Window Eyes. He said he would
transfer me to someone who did. I was disconnected.

Called back. Went through the Menus,and again, spoke with someone
different, who also knew nothing about Window Eyes. By this time I had
to go myself, and so could not stay around as this person attempted to
transfer me to someone else.

I ended up solving my own problem eventually.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade.  The zt
we combo works so well for me.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Feb 23, 2017 1:53 PM, "Loy via Talk"  wrote:

> I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I wonder if VFO even knows what
> they are going to do with Window Eyes.  I was told that the current version
> of Fusion is powered by Window Eyes, but the next release will be powered
> by JAWS. ZoomText 11, just released says it works great with JAWS but no
> mention of WE. I asked support if ZT 11 would work with WE as well as ZT
> 10.1, the support person said management had not told them. Then later I
> got an email that said it should.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:07 PM
>   Subject: Where are the informed comentators?
>
>
>   Hi all.
>
>   List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
>   as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
>   hit delete "now."
>
>   But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
>   critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed
>   adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with
>   leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is
>   happening in this access technology market place.
>
>   I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with
>   the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
>   behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
>   development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
>   technology.
>
>   Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
>   the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of
>   rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other
>   software" option that people have referred to when talking about
>   telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a
>   payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to
>   have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - not
> VFO.
>
>   Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.
>
>   Vaughan.
>
>
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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Loy via Talk]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I wonder if VFO even knows what they 
are going to do with Window Eyes.  I was told that the current version of 
Fusion is powered by Window Eyes, but the next release will be powered by JAWS. 
ZoomText 11, just released says it works great with JAWS but no mention of WE. 
I asked support if ZT 11 would work with WE as well as ZT 10.1, the support 
person said management had not told them. Then later I got an email that said 
it should.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:07 PM
  Subject: Where are the informed comentators?


  Hi all.

  List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question 
  as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred - 
  hit delete "now."

  But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of 
  critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed 
  adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with 
  leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is 
  happening in this access technology market place.

  I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with 
  the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's 
  behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and 
  development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access 
  technology.

  Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and 
  the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of 
  rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other 
  software" option that people have referred to when talking about 
  telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a 
  payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to 
  have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - not VFO.

  Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.

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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Some of this might come during csun. Zt fusion's future is a little
clearer, I'm sure window-eyes future will be spoken soon. It's not looking
like a good one but a answer has gotta come soon.


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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Feb 23, 2017 1:07 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
> as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
> hit delete "now."
>
> But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
> critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed adaptive
> technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with leaders and
> knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is happening in this
> access technology market place.
>
> I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with the
> executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
> behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
> development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
> technology.
>
> Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
> the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of rejuvenating
> Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other software" option
> that people have referred to when talking about telephone support would say
> "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a payed license holder to let me
> know of new offers and fancy tricks to have me spend more money.  FS
> Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - not VFO.
>
> Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.
>
> Vaughan.
>
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Where are the informed comentators?

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Hi all.

List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question 
as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred - 
hit delete "now."


But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of 
critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed 
adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with 
leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is 
happening in this access technology market place.


I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with 
the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's 
behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and 
development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access 
technology.


Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and 
the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of 
rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other 
software" option that people have referred to when talking about 
telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a 
payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to 
have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - not VFO.


Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.

Vaughan.


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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Well, I don't know what the Winamp equalizer frequency bands are. But in the 
Playback settings, you can use ISO Standard instead of Winamp's frequency 
bands, which is what I have mine set to. I haven't looked, but since it's a 
standard, I'm sure there's info on the Web about what those ISO Standard 
frequency bands are.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script


Two others questions come to mind.
(1)  Does anyone know or can direct me to a source which tells us the
center frequency of each of the 10 eq bands?

(2)  Do the values given, when setting the eq (8.8, 9.6, et al) have any
meaning or they are just relative numbers to each other?

Thanks!



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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Two others questions come to mind.  
(1)  Does anyone know or can direct me to a source which tells us the 
center frequency of each of the 10 eq bands?  

(2)  Do the values given, when setting the eq (8.8, 9.6, et al) have any 
meaning or they are just relative numbers to each other?

Thanks!



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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Larry and Evan

Thanks a whole bunch for your guidance.  I appreciate also the mention of 
the presets as I was not aware of them, and the test toggle you mentioned 
Evan.  

My learning curve is over; now it's the testing and the presets should 
shorten that time.  




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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Evan Reese via Talk]

You also need to make sure the equalizer is actually on. Just because you're 
in the window doesn't mean it's working. When you're sure you're in the 
equalizer window, hit the letter n to make sure it's on. The way to be sure 
is to set the preamp or one of the bands to an extreme high or low, 
especially something in the midrange, then hit the letter n repeatedly. You 
can hear the equalizer going on and off that way.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:49 AM
To: Mike Pietruk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

Mike,

I am just guessing at your problem, but after pressing alt+g, you need
to press ctrl+tab to make sure that you are really in the EQ window. At
that point you should be able to use the first two rows of the keyboard
to control the 10 bands. Also don't forget the presets if you just need
a preferred and prepared config of such settings.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm talking down to you or taking you to
school on this one. I just don't know how much experience you have
working with this thing. I admit, for the most part, I mostly chicken
out, and use the presets, and mostly the rock setting in particular.

HTH,

Larry

On 2/23/2017 6:27 AM, Mike Pietruk via Talk wrote:

I am using ver 5.66 of Winamp and have the latest WE script/app for the
program as downloaded from APPCentral.

I open the equalizer using alt+g but, for the life of me, cannot figure
out at how to get at the 10 bands or adjust them, say nothing for
eventually saving the settings.

I suspect that getting at the 10-bands ought to be simple, but what am I
missing?

Thanks!


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Re: iTunes accessibility

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Apple ssure hasn't done anything to make Itunes file sharing eassy to use. 
Has anyone from AI Squared tried it to see if the Window-Eyes app can be 
updated to make Window-Eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: iTunes accessibility

Hello everyone,

Apple has asked me to post the list of accessibility fixes they put into 
iTunes version 12.5.4.  The current version of iTunes is 12.5.5.  Each 
release they typically fix a few accessibility issues.  The list of fixes to 
the 12.5.4 release are:


iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows Fault with column browser
can't interact with each speakers when selected
no longer reads out the name of Airplay speakers
not reading selections from syncing panes
skips Lyrics text area in Up Next and Get Info
Unable to add multiple airplay speakers
Unable to install apps from iTunes > iOS device with iTunes 12.5.1 for 
Windows

Video listed as static box when played in iTunes Window
Get Info hangs when
does not read out star rating control
does not read volume slider (or any slider) changes
Unable to navigate to check/plus button in Airplay popup
calls out the "+" as "button" instead of "Add to Library button" after 
selecting CMA

calls out "Season" section in TV Shows as "Unknown"
found two hidden items in the LCD labeled as "unknown"
should announce "Pause 'album title' button" when selected album is playing
skips over Artist / Album info in LargeArtwork MP
does not read out the label of the movie ratings (G, PG-13, etc) or the 
movie quality (HD)


I realize this list is cryptic but this does show they are working at it. 
If you have Window-Eyes or JAWS issues with iTunes, Apple has asked that you 
write up a very detailed description of the problem and email it to:


mailto:accessibil...@apple.com

The more specific you are to your issues the more likely they will be 
resolved.


Regards,
Doug

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Re: the VFOExpereince

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I hope some one from Blind Bargains will ask someone from the VFO group what 
the future status is of Window-Eyes at CSUN?


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:04 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: the VFOExpereince

Hello,

Yeah, with  no mention ofWindow Eyes on the Menus, unless you choose,
"Other Software", it does make you wonder.At least it does me.

I know, I know, some on here are Susie SunShines when it comes to the
future of Window Eyes. And Honestly, I hope all of youSparkeling
Examples ofRadiant Positivism are so Right and the Doubting Dogthat I am,
will turn out to be so Wrong. I DO Like Window Eyes and I am sorry, that
the Staff has been dismantled and scattered to the four winds.

It is a Shame,because as a Group, they provided very good Service and
Support.  And their Products Vocalize and Window Eyes were often very
very good.

My own VFO experience was not as useful or Helpful as Brenda's.

Mine ended uptaking about 45 minutes, and ending with getting ZeroHelp.

Spoke with one guy who knew nothing about Window Eyes. He said he would
transfer me to someone who did. I was disconnected.

Called back. Went through the Menus,and again, spoke with someone
different, who also knew nothing about Window Eyes. By this time I had
to go myself, and so could not stay around as this person attempted to
transfer me to someone else.

I ended up solving my own problem eventually.

Grumpy Dave


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iTunes accessibility

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello everyone,

Apple has asked me to post the list of accessibility fixes they put into iTunes 
version 12.5.4.  The current version of iTunes is 12.5.5.  Each release they 
typically fix a few accessibility issues.  The list of fixes to the 12.5.4 
release are:

iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows Fault with column browser
can't interact with each speakers when selected
no longer reads out the name of Airplay speakers
not reading selections from syncing panes
skips Lyrics text area in Up Next and Get Info
Unable to add multiple airplay speakers
Unable to install apps from iTunes > iOS device with iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows
Video listed as static box when played in iTunes Window
Get Info hangs when
does not read out star rating control
does not read volume slider (or any slider) changes
Unable to navigate to check/plus button in Airplay popup
calls out the "+" as "button" instead of "Add to Library button" after 
selecting CMA
calls out "Season" section in TV Shows as "Unknown"
found two hidden items in the LCD labeled as "unknown"
should announce "Pause 'album title' button" when selected album is playing
skips over Artist / Album info in LargeArtwork MP
does not read out the label of the movie ratings (G, PG-13, etc) or the movie 
quality (HD)

I realize this list is cryptic but this does show they are working at it.  If 
you have Window-Eyes or JAWS issues with iTunes, Apple has asked that you write 
up a very detailed description of the problem and email it to:

mailto:accessibil...@apple.com

The more specific you are to your issues the more likely they will be resolved.

Regards,
Doug

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Re: Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike,

I am just guessing at your problem, but after pressing alt+g, you need 
to press ctrl+tab to make sure that you are really in the EQ window. At 
that point you should be able to use the first two rows of the keyboard 
to control the 10 bands. Also don't forget the presets if you just need 
a preferred and prepared config of such settings.


I hope it doesn't seem like I'm talking down to you or taking you to 
school on this one. I just don't know how much experience you have 
working with this thing. I admit, for the most part, I mostly chicken 
out, and use the presets, and mostly the rock setting in particular.


HTH,

Larry

On 2/23/2017 6:27 AM, Mike Pietruk via Talk wrote:

I am using ver 5.66 of Winamp and have the latest WE script/app for the
program as downloaded from APPCentral.

I open the equalizer using alt+g but, for the life of me, cannot figure
out at how to get at the 10 bands or adjust them, say nothing for
eventually saving the settings.

I suspect that getting at the 10-bands ought to be simple, but what am I
missing?

Thanks!


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Winamp Equalizer and the Winamp Script

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

I am using ver 5.66 of Winamp and have the latest WE script/app for the 
program as downloaded from APPCentral.  

I open the equalizer using alt+g but, for the life of me, cannot figure 
out at how to get at the 10 bands or adjust them, say nothing for 
eventually saving the settings.

I suspect that getting at the 10-bands ought to be simple, but what am I 
missing?

Thanks!


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RE: VFO tech support

[Robert via Talk]

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: 22 February 2017 22:45
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO tech support

Hello Listh


Well, just for fun I called VFO today to see what they thought would be
 a good security software to run with 
Window-eyes.


   When I first called, I pressed 2 for tech support, 
then the choice for
jaws support press 1, zoomtext 2 and all other software 3.  I guess
Window-eyes is all other software - not a good feeling.


While waiting on hold for at least 45 minutes, I heard a revolving ad
for various JFS/OPTELEC  products.  Not a word about Window-eyes
capabilities etc.


I spoke with a person who worked out of her home.  I have gotten folks
that worked from home before.  My thought is that they can't transfer
you to anyone else if they can't help you, and they don't have
day-to-day contact with other support people.  she told me she is a
jowls user but all support people had to learn Window-eyes, and she has
it on her computer so she can help window-eyes users.  I asked if there
were any tech support people who were very familiar with Window-eyes,
and she thought a "Dave" worked for VFO.  I asked about tech people
using the remote assistance portion of Window-eyes, and she said that
was possible if needed.  the Initial tech support person would send a
request to someone who would call back.  (this could slow down getting
something resolved.)


So then I asked about security software.  She was very positive toward
Windows Defender.  she said she used vipre but didn't have window-eyes
on the computer that Vipre was on in order to help me with any issues.
She said AVG had an issue where it made jowls 18 nonfunctional.  She
said AVG was telling people the only way to get the issue fixed was to
have many effected users call AVG. Back in the day, GW seemed to connect
with AVG and had gotten a similar issue resolved for Window-eyes users.


As for Kaspersky, she said it might disrupt Window-eyes, although she
didn't really say for sure and didn't seem to know that much about the
program.


Just thought I'd share my day's experience.


Brenda




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