RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Sounds like a classic case of a firewall blocking it to me.

All the best

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: 08 October 2020 23:14
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have
a working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any,
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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RE: Considering VoiceOver

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Steve,

Regarding settings though, don't forget that if you don't know a setting,
you can press JAWS Key+6, to get into the settings centre, then search for a
setting, just by typing part of what you want to change.

To my knowledge, Voiceover, nor Window-Eyes has this feature, and it's much
easier to dig into settings, if you can search.

All the best

STeve

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of steve.jacobson--- via Talk
Sent: 27 August 2018 15:48
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: steve.jacob...@visi.com
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I have been a JAWS user for a couple of years now, and I am the last person
to ever say that any screen reader, including Window-Eyes and VoiceOver are
perfect.  What I have found with JAWS, though, is that it has so many
options and preferences that sometimes what appears to me to be a problem is
actually a preference setting or something I am doing wrong.  To use JAWS
well, there is no getting around the fact that you have to dig into it and
learn about it.  For example, on some web pages, certain newer types of
control work best with JAWS if you turn off the JAWS virtual cursor.  You
can toggle that off by pressing INSERT Z.  Also, JAWS is smart enough
sometimes to figure out the best way to interact with a control like some
calendars by pressing ENTER on them.  This is extra work, but it is also
happening because JAWS has options that are not present in VoiceOver, for
example.  There may well be things that VoiceOver does better, but it makes
sense to be sure a decision is made from a position of knowledge.  There are
just no simple answers.  VoiceOver is free and comes with the operating
system, but you will generally pay more for an Apple computer than a Windows
computer.  In some cases, you are getting more powerful hardware, so I'm not
saying the extra expense isn't worth it, because it might be.  However, you
might also find that spending extra money for an equivalent Windows machine
will make Windows screen readers behave better.  

I do not have any trouble with JAWS coming back after my computer comes out
of sleep mode.  It seems to me I did a few versions back.  Sometimes,
though, it does seem to take a while.  If Windows 10 is being used, it has
introduced a lock screen even if you don't have a password that seems to
take extra time for me.  This isn't to say that someone else is not having
trouble.  My point is that this is not a universal problem through my
experience.  

There are people who have switched to Apple and VoiceOver and are happy with
it.  There have also been people who switched and eventually came back to
Windows.  From what I have read, those who have switched and then returned
to Windows are usually people who perform specific tasks that Apple did not
do as well for them.  If one tends to do things that Apple does well and
does not perform tasks that some have found difficult with VoiceOver on an
apple, they are not going to experience the same frustration.  Whatever one
does about choosing a screen reader or a computer, one needs to investigate
and educate oneself to be sure the system is right.  If one is not the type
of person who digs into the differences between Windows, IOS, or Apple's
operating system, then think carefully about all of the things one does and
read what others have said.

It is easy to say that JAWS is all bad and VoiceOver is all good, or that
Apple is bad and Windows is good.  People say both.  Things are never quite
that simple.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?

-Original Message-
From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

RE: Considering VoiceOver

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

That doesn't make the whole screen reader as good as Window-Eyes, it just
means you can successfully browse the web.

Now try to create a Powerpoint presentation, or edit a spreadsheet.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 24 August 2018 17:02
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory ; Amanda Lee

Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

My experience with VoiceOver on the iPhone is just as good as with Win-Eyes.
I am able to switch from one App to another. I am able to use all the
navigation aids on a web page such as headings, lists, radio buttons. I am
able to navigate in a web page or a text document by character, word or by
lines. I am able to select text and copy it to the clipBoard just as in
Windows. I am not using a keyboard on my iPhone, just the settings using the
rotor.

On 8/24/18, Amanda Lee via Talk  wrote:
> I agree with Steve.  I have an IPhone 8 which I use for a number of 
> reasons.
> I use it with gestures and with a Bluetooth keyboard.  If I had to 
> rely only upon an IPhone for all of my information needs, I would 
> consider myself as being rather unproductive as every bit of access is 
> considerably less productive.  Yes you can navigate to the Apps rather 
> quickly but if you need to switch from one App that you are working in 
> to others or if you want to be able to listen to more than one App, it 
> doesn't always provide the same interaction as Windows does.  Using a 
> keyboard is awkward as unless you are interacting in a text input 
> area, the need to hold down multiple keys to navigate one field at a 
> time is awkward at best!
>
> As Steve says, the Screen Reader functionality in VoiceOver just does 
> not compare to that of Window-Eyes and JAWS or NVDA.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On 
> Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:15 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Steve Nutt 
> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
>
> Hi,
>
> I tell you what, VoiceOver is like Narrator as compared with 
> Window-Eyes and JAWS.  It is not very configurable, unless you know 
> Apple scripting.
>
> I'd say it's nowhere near as mature as JAWS or Window-Eyes was.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
> Sent: 24 August 2018 09:12
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: CJ MAY 
> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
>
> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it 
> would mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the 
> Microsoft operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the 
> bullet and went over to Jaws.
> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as 
> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the 
> Windows operating system.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: George Savory 
> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
>
> Listers,
> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be 
> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using 
> VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if 
> Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I 
> won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an 
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RE: ChromeBook Accessibility

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Chromebooks are very accessible.  Just search for Chromevox on Youtube and
you'll see.

I love my Chromebook.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 24 August 2018 09:17
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: ChromeBook Accessibility

Hi George,

I can't speak to ChromeOS, but, getting back to the matter of Macs, I'm not
sure what you mean by websites that use calendars.
As for keeping track of personal calendar events and reminders, I find my
iPhone a breeze with Siri, such that I don't have to use anything else but
my voice, since I have learn how Siri thinks and how to edit everything even
when I make mistakes.
Of course, I always have the option of editing the calendar and reminders
manually with the touch screen, but this is not very often, now that my
scheduling system is all set up.
As for a Mac computer and the screen reader, at $449 US, you really can't go
wrong picking up a Mac Mini, although many complain about it being an
out-of-date machine.
I see now that I went a bit overboard in buying a Macbook Pro, since, for
me, a Mac Mini would have done the job just fine.
The Mac Mini is simply an aluminum tower which lies flat in the footprint of
a regular size apple pie, and then all you need is a keyboard and a monitor
whose role could be filled nowadays by most flat-screen TVs and an HDMI
cable.
They come standard with a 500 GB spinning hard drive, and VoiceOver works
fine with this setup.
Admittedly, navigating the macOS and editing documents is quite a different
experience, insofar as each control you want to use is not immediately in
focus as we are accustomed to in Windows, requiring a repetitive process of
interacting and un-interacting with each control.
Personally, I have chosen to push myself to get comfortable with macOS,
seeing the benefits of being in the Apple ecosystem even with my PC.
It all comes down to what you want for yourself, and what you believe about
the manufacturers you want to associate with, and, in this light, I don't
think there are any right or wrong answers.
My wife jokes with me that I always seem happier when I use my Mac than when
I use my comfortable Windows 10 machine.
As I've mentioned before, I always wanted to use a Mac, and so I suppose I'm
still in the grips of my honeymoon with it.
Interesting, though, I still count on having my Windows PC around, and so
maybe I'll always have one.
I will say that Window-Eyes going out of support was the trigger event which
caused me to buy my Macbook Pro, as I sought to diversify my accessibility
toolbox, and even to expand out of the Windows world, just incase I needed
to access websites which Windows screen readers might have trouble with.
Safari on the Mac has proven to be very robust in my web work, even though I
had some challenges up to quite recently.
However, I've learned the little tricks and the special hotkeys necessary to
access all of the different parts of web pages, and so now my browsing
competence on the Mac is on par with that on Windows with Firefox, whether I
use Window-Eyes or NVDA or Narrator.
Anyway, I'll leave off for now, and wish all of us well as we navigate this
very technical world in which we find ourselves. Smile

All the best,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: August 23, 2018 7:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: ChromeBook Accessibility

How good is a ChromeBook with web accessibility?

On 8/23/18, George Savory  wrote:
> Listers,
> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be 
> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using 
> VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if 
> Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I 
> won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an 
> upgrade
>
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RE: Considering VoiceOver

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I tell you what, VoiceOver is like Narrator as compared with Window-Eyes and
JAWS.  It is not very configurable, unless you know Apple scripting.

I'd say it's nowhere near as mature as JAWS or Window-Eyes was.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: 24 August 2018 09:12
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: CJ MAY 
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison
 

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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RE: jaws migration along with sma

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

You can do that.

Press Jaws Key and 6.  Now you're in the settings centre.  Type Say All in
the search box.  You'll see that you can do with or without pauses, etc.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: 08 July 2017 06:24
To: macks75...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: jaws migration along with sma

Now if I could just get it to pause after each sentence when I read by line
the way it normally should LOL.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: mack via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 8:58 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: jaws migration along with sma

the professional upgrades cost more than home upgrades

-- 
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RE: Jaws migration along with the msa

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

Home is for you.  The only difference is that Pro is allowed to be used in a
commercial organisation.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 07 July 2017 17:44
To: 'Van Lant, Robin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: Jaws migration along with the msa

I have received an e-mail today saying they are waiting for me to confirm
whether I want the home or pro edition. Looking at the e-maiol they have
asked me this before but I am adamant I didn't receive that e-mail and I've
checked my junk folder.

Anyway, at least they now seem to be on the case.

What is the difference incidentally between the Home and Pro versions?

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Jaws migration along with the msa

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No discounts, but your current SMAs will carry over.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: 06 July 2017 23:04
To: Paulette Vickery ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Jaws migration along with the msa

I could be wrong here, but I don't recall any discount for SMA's. In my
case, I have 2 SMA's, but after that, I believe they are regular price.

-Original Message-
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws migration along with the msa

Hi all,



I have received my Jaws key, that isn't the problem. However, I thought we
were supposed to get a discount for a msa. When I asked about that
yesterday, even though the deal is still in effect, the woman I spoke with
said there is no deas for the msa. Am I incorrect about a less expensive msa
for WE users? If there is supposed to be a discount, is there someone in
particular with whom I should speak? Thanks for your help.



Paulette

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RE: Jaws Migration

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

Call Sight And Sound, they should be able to sort it for you.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Alison May via Talk
Sent: 06 July 2017 16:36
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

An expensive solution if you live in the U.K.  

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> On 6 Jul 2017, at 3:50 pm, Tony C via Talk 
wrote:
> 
> Hi, I called them after a few days and they E-mailed it to me within a
hour. It was an authorization key sent seperately from the invoice.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:26 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Jaws Migration
> 
> Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is 
> this.  On Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question 
> in it, which I answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home 
> or professional version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an 
> invoice.  Is there another thing I am waiting for that has the key in 
> it?  Or do I use the invoice number?  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
> To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Jaws Migration
> 
> I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one 
> ten days ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an 
> automated reply.
> 
> Is this typical?
> 
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RE: Jaws Migration

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

What do you mean by sent requests?

You need to go to http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate and fill in the
form there.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 06 July 2017 10:15
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten days
ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an automated
reply. 

Is this typical?

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: win 10 update more info

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Try pressing Control-Windows-M, Window-Eyes will then unmute the sound card,
or attempt to.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: 02 July 2017 18:27
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: win 10 update more info

Hi Again:

 

Ok, had a friend with sight and all looked good on the screen

 

All icons and the  keyboard worked with the desktop icons

 

Thus, nothing wrong with windows 10, but, the problem, no speech.

 

I tried to use the window eyes command to start but no lluck

 

Then my friend tried to click on the window eyes icon and still nothing.

 

So I am assuming that either the sound card is finished or the sound is
muted

 

That is it for me, I will need some help from a tech person unless I could
install win eyes again from the cd, possible yes or no?

 

Don't you just love computers, (smile)

Don

 

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RE: How to get rid of that Annoying Clang Sound when Opening a Message containing Table Format

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Sounds like you don't have Outlook Enhanced working correctly.  Do you hear
Web Layout when nyou open any message?  If so, reinstall Outlook Enhance,
and make sure that Virtualisation is enabled.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: 30 June 2017 14:04
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: How to get rid of that Annoying Clang Sound when Opening a Message
containing Table Format

Hello everyone,
This is a Window-Eyes 101 issue which I have hunted all over to resolve.
There is a really loud and obnoxious clang sound which occurs when one opens
a message in Outlook which is in table format as well as when you receive
alerts in a browser.  It is so loud, that I frequently miss the
message/warning or related.  I have tried to find where this sound is
triggered and yes, it's probably blatantly obvious!  
 
So where is this sound activated and can it be disabled?
 
Thanks.
 
Amanda Lee
  
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RE: jaws saying

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Trouble with NVDA, is there are some really basic features missing.

For example, you can't turn off blank lines.  Or stop them from saying blank
as you arrow down.

You can't turn off number processing, so everything speaks in words, not
digits.

Heck, you can't even label keys to say certain things.

I know it's free and all that, but considering it's developed by two blind
guys, there are some really basic bits missing here.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 21 June 2017 12:17
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: jaws saying

Hi Sky,

It will be known as one of the tragedies of the adaptive technology world
that such an elegant program as Window-Eyes ceased development while an
inferior one persisted.
I am coming to realize that Jaws, though given to me for free, will not be
the one I invest my time and money in.
The only consideration which influences me to pay for upgrades is the fact
that it is still uner development.
Then again, so are Narrator and NVDA.
I'm leaning towards NVDA, considering the fact that I must learn to write
apps.
Why would I bother forcing myself to work wit Jaws when it is such an
inferior product?
I'm learning, day by day, where the truth lies.

Take care,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: June 21, 2017 2:02 AM
To: 'Charles Adkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: jaws saying

Hello Charles.  I totally agree with you 100%.  JAWS was always complicated
to change settings right from the beginning.  Window-Eyes, as you said, made
it easier to do just that, change settings, etc, etc, etc. There are people
where I live who have never even heard of or tried Window-Eyes and many of
them have used JAWS from the start so those people really missed out on an
opportunity to use Window-Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:42 AM
To: Chris G; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws saying

Sory to bother you, but am I to understand you must do this for every key
you don't want to have it identify itself? Good god, this is way to
complicated than it needs to be. Is it possible that theese "people" may
implement some of the simplification we had? we made it easy to switch from
Jaws to we and went out of their way to assist, infact bent over backwards
to accomidate and listen to their customers and all everyone seemed to do is
complain. I hope those folks are enjoying the croe they are now feasting on.
I for one am very dissatisfied with Jaws, the attitude of a few vfo people
I've talked to, and really ticked that vfo is making me pay more to access
how ever many machines I own. I am not a whiner. Its just my tough luck that
I must pay dearly to have access to equiptment that my friends have for
free. I didn't mind paying for we because of the great tech support, the
reasonable fees and once it was paid for I could put it on as many boxes I
owned. 

Sory for ranting, thanks for reading. What makes all this interesting is
Microsoft if they wished could make all this stuff accessible just like
Apple if they really wanted to

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Chris G via Talk 
> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Actually, in a weird way, you can.
> 
> Press insert-6 to open settings center.
> 
> Press shift-control-d to load default.
> 
> In the search box type label
> Arrow down to manage key labels dot dot dot and press space.
> In the list press S until you get to shift.
> 
> Press alt-c to change the label.
> 
> Clear the word shift from the label and okay it.
> Make sure you save your settings.
> Now the word shift won't speak when doing things like shift-space.
> Do the same for control and windows.
> 
> 
> 
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> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:29:25 -0700
> net bat via Talk  wrote:
> 
>> no can do. f/s has decided we need to hear these keys and can not be
changed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Robin via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:20 AM

RE: jaws saying

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Window-Eyes works better than JAWS in a lot of respects .

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 19 June 2017 17:05
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: jaws saying

I suspect its your tts.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:31 AM
To: Sky Mundell; 'Charles Adkins'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: jaws saying

I will say at this point in time, Window eyes works a lot better with my
tripletalk usb than jaws.  When I open a webpage or html document, after a
few seconds using the insert+down arrow (the jaws say all command) jaws
crashes.  I get the message from windows that jaws has stopped working.

-Original Message-
From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:21 AM
To: 'Charles Adkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jaws saying

Hello Charles. I totally agree with you. Window-Eyes was defenatly a better
product. It's a Shame it couldn't win in the market share.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:09 AM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws saying

Another reason why we was by far the better screen reader. That being said,
Jaws seems to do better in some ways with embedded audio players when it
comes to being able to access volume controls and such located in the
player.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:29 PM, net bat via Talk 
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> no can do. f/s has decided we need to hear these keys and can not be
changed.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Robin via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:20 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: jaws saying
>
> how  do you stop ljaws saying shift tab and other keys like control 6 
> it will drive me mad.
> many thanks.
> Cheers Robin.
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RE: Vipre

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I bet JAWS will read it if you use the touch cursor.  Have you tried the mouse 
in WE as well?

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: 12 June 2017 22:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Vipre

Is there a way to see the progres of a scan? I am using Windows 7 64-bit Pro 
with WE 9.5.4 with the latest trial version of Vipre. There is one tab that I 
can’t seem to reclass in order to read it. By the way, JAWS 18 won’t read it 
either. 
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RE: windows Creator

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No, all working fine here.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: 11 June 2017 18:16
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows Creator

My PC just went through the upgrade to windows creator. Now it seem that
both Jaws and WE are slow to respond and just now working correctly. Has
anyone else experienced this?
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RE: Is this at all possible?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Hes, go to Help, More Voices, in the Window-Eyes Control panel, and download
and run your authorisation again.  Then Eloquence will work.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: 09 June 2017 03:39
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Is this at all possible?

Hello again listers,

I have just come off a rather tromatic computer crash experience, one that I
think will haunt me for at least a while. I will spare you all the gory
details in this message.

Although I do intend to make the migration to JAWS some time in the
relatively near future, but right now I have managed to get WE for Offfice
to run, thanks to the Office key being stored on my motherboard. 
I certainly hope that one of you can give me the news I would so much like
to hear.

What I need to know if it is at all possible to once again obtain Eloquence
speech since I lost my previous license in the crash.

At present I am using the female Microsoft voice, but it is not only harder
to understand, but the responsiveness leaves much to be desired.

If not, would it be possible to use a version of Eloquence purchased for
NVDA with WE for Office as well?

Hope I've made myself understandbale in my enquiree. At the moment, nothing
else makes any real sense at the moment.

Any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated,

Larry
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RE: combo boxes and drop down boxes

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

With any screen reader and combos, just press Alt Down Arrow to open them
and Alt-Up arrow when you've made your selection.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: 07 June 2017 17:58
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: combo boxes and drop down boxes

On my banking site I used to get combo boxes which were easy to access to
select desired account number WITH  ENTER and arrow.
Now they seem to be drop-down boxes. I also ran into this on an application
I was filling out.

In Window-eyes if I arrow, shift-tab and tab back and forth I can read and
adjust my entries.  It is a little time consuming but doable.

Is there an easier way to do this in either Window-eyes or Jaws?

Thanks for the answer to my other 2 questions.  I will try the INSERT-B once
I get the drop-down thing figured out.

Thanks,
Brenda
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RE: JAWS Equivalent to WE Hot Spot

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

http://www.hotspotclicker.org is where you want to go.  It's a script.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: 06 June 2017 15:38
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: JAWS Equivalent to WE Hot Spot

Hello All,

Does JAWS have an app or function that works like WE's Hot Spot?

Thanks, David

David Ayers
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RE: switching to JAWS

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No, not the F3 key, the number 3.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: 06 June 2017 13:26
To: JOHN RIEHL ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: switching to JAWS

Hi,

The read to end can be done with the Jaws key, either insert key or the Jaws
key of your selection, i.e., capslock or scroll lock key with either of the
down arrows.  The pass through key is, I believe, Jaws key (again, which
ever key you have chosen) plus the F3 key.

Carol


On 6/6/2017 7:49 AM, JOHN RIEHL via Talk wrote:
> I believe the read-to-end command is the Insert key (the one in the 
> sixpack to the right of the keyboard) and down-arrow. I don't remember 
> the passthrough key; I'm still learning myself. One thing to know is 
> that you don't need to press the passthrough key when doing a reply-all in
an e-mail.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Albert Sanchez via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:49 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: switching to JAWS
>
> I am in the process of switching from WE 9 to JAWS and would like to 
> know what is the "READ-TO-END" command in JAWS, also, what is the JAWS 
> "Pass-through" command?
> Thanks,
> Albert Sanchez
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RE: switching to JAWS

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

It can be either insert, but the default is the insert key on the number
row, not the six pack.

The pass through key is Insert-3.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Talk
Sent: 06 June 2017 12:49
To: 'Albert Sanchez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: switching to JAWS

I believe the read-to-end command is the Insert key (the one in the sixpack
to the right of the keyboard) and down-arrow. I don't remember the
passthrough key; I'm still learning myself. One thing to know is that you
don't need to press the passthrough key when doing a reply-all in an e-mail.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Albert Sanchez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: switching to JAWS

I am in the process of switching from WE 9 to JAWS and would like to know
what is the "READ-TO-END" command in JAWS, also, what is the JAWS
"Pass-through" command?
Thanks,
Albert Sanchez 

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RE: The JAWS Experience

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

You have the Office version of Window-Eyes.  You don't get to migrate to
JAWS from this version for free.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jerrie Ricks via Talk
Sent: 05 June 2017 16:52
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

Chris,

I am trying to migrate to JAWS and was in touch with Freedom Scientific to
find out the correct process for accomplishing this.  I looked in About
Window Eyes to get my serial number which read gwweoffice.  The BFO
assistant said this could not be accurate since the serial number should
begin with the letter P.  Perhaps she was mistaken since she did not really
appear to be certain of her information.

Can you please help?  Where can I find a more accurate serial number, or do
you have other information about migrating that would be helpful?  Thank you
so very much for your assistance.  I frequently gain assistance from the
valuable information you give in your contributions to the list.

Thanks again.

Your friend,
Granger

-Original Message-
From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:26 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

They reelease new JAWS upgrades in October.
18 is the latest version.

Chris Grabowski
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On Wed, 17 May 2017 22:20:18 -0700
net bat via Talk  wrote:

> you arn't. look on the gwmicro page. it says you get version 18.
> but i am wondering if you waited until july to see if they release 
> version 20, maybe you could get version 20 upgrade instead?
>
> -Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: 'Chris G' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: The JAWS Experience
>
> Then, why are we getting version 17? Or am I incorrect about the 
> version being given to us free of charge?
>
> Paulette
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:29 AM
> To: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience
>
> JAWS 18 is the current version.
>
>
>
> Chris Grabowski
> Mystic Access
> Where the magic is in learning.
> https://www.MysticAccess.com
> Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while 
> actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio 
> tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer 
> eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter 
> containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free 
> downloads, and so much more.
> Contact:
> Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> Twitter: MysticAccess
> Facebook: mysticaccessempower
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:26 AM EST
> To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Dave'
> Subject: The JAWS Experience
>
>   Dear all,
>
>
> my wife and I have Jaws 16. I am used to Window-Eyes, but I am 
> beginning to feel that I will have to migrate. Since I am using 
> Windows 10; will I notice a significant improvement if I upgrade to Jaws
17?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Grimwood
>
>
> On 5/17/2017 8:20 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> This is reassuring.
>
>
> Alison
>
>
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RE: training with daisy book

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Why?  You could use the built in FS Reader that comes with JAWS.  It works
globally, so you can press Control-P to play or pause it, while working in
other apps.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 02 June 2017 09:04
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: training with daisy book

You'd probably need to download the Daisy Book to an mp3 player.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes Got Uninstalled

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Nope.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: 31 May 2017 16:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes Got Uninstalled

Hi all,

This morning while online, Window-Eyes was uninstalled somehow.  Has that
happened to anyone else?

I had to reinstall from CD.

Peter Duran

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I think for the customers I'm talking to, it's not so much learning
keystrokes, it's that they want it to "sound" more like Window-Eyes.  Those
tutorial messages in JAWS can be a bit annoying for example, if you are used
to Window-Eyes more terse way of talking.

I'm just surmising here.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 19:20
To: Amanda Lee ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

Hi there!

I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the most
part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over.  
Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but
memorizing is extremely easy for me.  Not certain of exactly what it
is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some new
keystrokes..?  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de .



On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:
> Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique 
> issues of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and 
> known applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user 
> though so there is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning
curve.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c
> om] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
> To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over 
> Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 
> 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
>  Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in 
> WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different 
> keystrokes for
>
> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much 
> to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some 
> of you are
>
> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world 
> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key 
> strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help 
> products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit 
> cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can 
> find list out there that are devoted to whinners.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate 
> of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we 
> don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the 
> demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I 
> have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very 
> helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one 
> at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a 
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can 
> use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and 
> effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't 
> think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money
really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they 
> were always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to 
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to 
> undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Seems we're not allowed to make money.  I offer the service for people who
want to get up and running quickly with their screen reader, without asking
endless questions.

Yes, of course it's all out there for free, but why not even unsubscribe
from this list and just use the inbuilt JAWS help?  I think the more
services there are, the better, whether free or not.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: 30 May 2017 02:40
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Sorry, I disagree.  Probably hours went into making sure it works as a
Window-Eyes user would want it to.  Constructing the course, etc.

I don't see why people are not allowed to make a living.

I offer a similar service, but on a one to one basis, so if anyone is
interested, please contact me.  Same price.

I do it differently though, I log into their computer, and take them round
the configuration and teach them how to change settings.  With their
permission of course.  But the freebie hunters won't be interested of
course.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 16:38
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

So what is wrong with capitalism then?  What is wrong with people making
money if they want to?

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 16:35
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

By the same token, because it is open source, it is the least secure in the
workplace.  You will find many enterprises that won't trust NVDA
unfortunately.

It is a good screen reader though, not as configurable as JAWS, but not bad
at all.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 06:37
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi Ivan,
NVDA is the screen reader of the future, because everyone has access to its
code. It is called open source, because everyone can contribute to its code.
NVDA will not be bought, because we, the community own it LOL!.
To subscribe to the NVDA list, many experts on there:
nvda+subscr...@nvda.groups.io
You can download NVDA 2017.1, the latest version for free at:
www.nvaccess.org
You can also get tutorials off of there, and find out about many other
sources of tutorials that many people have done on using NVDA.
You would find that it is more like Window Eyes than JAWS is, and there are
a lot of great young users contributing to its code all of the time. It is
not owned by any company. NVAccess imploys just four people, and they are
just the cherity organization that keeps it altogether. Most of what happens
with NVDA is done by the blind all over the world.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: How to learn to use n v d a

I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb 

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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Dennis,

Are they paying you?  You sound like a constant commercial.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 04:17
To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: move to jaws

NVDA is not as powerful as Jaws.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:26 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

Window-eyes isn't some disease we all have to get rid of.  I plan to use it
for as much as I can for as long as it works.  If necessary, I'll switch to
nvda.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 28 May 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:

> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Window-Eyes will let you do this too.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 03:02
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: move to jaws

OOne thing I learned just now is that I can use MicroSoft’s mobile voices with 
NVDa.  For example, none of the other screen-readers can use the new Mark voice 
from MicroSoft because it’s a mobile voice.  Someone wrote an NVDA add-on that 
allows use the the Mobile SAPI voices.  It’s a little sluggish intyping, but, 
I’ve always wanted a way to use the Mark voice with something besides Narrator.


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From: Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:50 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: move to jaws

I'll have to agree here.  Using JFW with Thunderbird is quite disappointing to 
me.  JFW can't give message counts or indexes in message folders.  NVDA does 
this very well.  WE in my opinion works better with TB than JFW does except for 
the fact that TB often crashes when using WE.  For me the commercial screen 
readers have problems with TB that NVDA overcomes.  I'm glad I now have all 
three screen readers to use since each of them has deficiencies for some 
programs.


On 5/28/2017 1:11 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.  
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: move to jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I agree, but the JAWS script for Winamp is inferior to that of Jeff Bishop's
excellent Winamp script for Window-Eyes.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 23:21
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: move to jaws

Jaws has scripts for winamp.  You would be smart to learn Jaws.  Window-eyes
will not always work properly.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:19 PM
To: Butch Bussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

No WindowEyes is not a disease we must get rid of. I will keep both screen
readers as long as I can. Window-Eyes works much better with Winamp and
Windows Live Mail. Additionally with JAWS, I could not copy text from the
internet into Windows Explorer to name a file or folder. I can do so with
Window-Eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:25 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

Window-eyes isn't some disease we all have to get rid of.  I plan to use it
for as much as I can for as long as it works.  If necessary, I'll switch to
nvda.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 28 May 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:

> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.
> For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to 
> use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things 
> come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: is it possible?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

JAWS won't install over any copy of Window-Eyes, you can have them both
installed quite happily.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: 28 May 2017 18:45
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: is it possible?

Hello group, I just got the message about win eyes being discontinued and
that I can itagrate to jaws.  My question is will I be able to keep my
current copy of window eyes and use it if I want too?  I have the latest
version o.5.0. or will jaws install over this copy?  If so can I still get a
cd of window eyes 9.5.0?  Thanks for all the help.  Rick
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RE: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Insert-6 to go into Settings Centre, then search for key label.  You can
turn them off individually.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 16:58
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

A more robust way to run JAWS, if you know what version is on the machine is
to go to the Run menu, by pressing Windows+R, then type "jaws18" without the
quotes and press enter.

Change the number 18, to whatever major version it is.

I haven't used the Alt-Control-J shortcut for ages.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 12:57
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi Rod,

Yes, this did happen to me.  I just figured it was my computer that forgot
it since it has already asked me twice before to confirm that I am the
administrator.  So, I set it again and it has been fine since.

Take care,

Carol


On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up
in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
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RE: End of Life Message

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Hi Alison,

Just tab to the check box that says Don't Show This Message Again and press
space on it.  Then press Cancel.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 26 May 2017 09:11
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
on, we get the End of Life Message.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Jaws and copy text question

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Hi,

I'm confused by this message.  You can use the shifted arrows for selection
in JAWS, but not Window-Eyes.  I don't like the Window-Eyes F8 method
personally.  Not only that the Window-Eyes F8 method is inconsistent.  It
works in IE, but not in Acrobat for example.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 22:12
To: 'David Moore' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.
Only three keystrokes to worry about:  F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy
to Clipboard.

For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally
copy to clipboard.  I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple?

Sincerely,
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RE: End of Life Message

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Hi Brenda,

You can probably get JAWS to work with Vipre using the touch cursor.  I
haven't tried Vipre though.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 16:49
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: End of Life Message

Hello List,

I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost died due
to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes End of Life
Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just said window-eyes
Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less ominous.

Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes still
works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I just can't
bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs like Vipre and
Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which makes it work in safe
mode and Jaws doesn't.

Brenda
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RE: a question regarding jaws installation

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Hi Lee,

Yes, it will work perpetually.  It is your licence.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Lee Hodgson via Talk
Sent: 25 May 2017 16:47
To: Neville via Talk 
Subject: a question regarding jaws installation 

Hi ,
I wondered if anyone can answer a question for me.

I have my jaws authorisation code, but do not really, as yet, want to
install jaws.
Will this authorisation code work whenever I use it? in other words, after
the 31 july when the offer of free transfer expires?

I guess what I want to know is, if I install Jaws on say the 1st of
september this year, will the authorisation ccode still work 
regardless.   I would imagine so, but just wanted to msound out about 
it, to put my mind at rest.
thanks and sorry if this is a silly question.
Lee, Emily my guiding furry snowflake and Chester and Simba the feline
fellas. 

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RE: Might be useful for new JAWS users

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Hi,

Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with the
keyboard.  But yes, it is great.

All the best

Steve
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On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin 

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RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Go into the settings centre.  Press Insert-F2 for JAWS Managers and go down to 
Settings Centre and press Enter.  Now in the search box, type Manage Key, and 
you should get Manage Keyboard Labels.

I do like the settings centre better than Window-Eyes settings, because of the 
search function.

All the best

Steve

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Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:42
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear Steve,
Thanks for the email.
Can I pick your brain in another matter if it can be done, or anyone out there.
In window-eyes, there's key label dictionary which it will allow  me to label 
or any combination keyboard hshortcut to something I like to hear.
Like example, ctrl - shift - I will bring me back to inbox in MS Outlook. I 
like jaws to read to me, inbox.
Is there a way to accomblish that? scripting or some settings somewhere?



regards
Thomas N. Chan 

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From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 12:16 AM
To: 'Thomas N. Chan' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Hi,

To spell the current word, press Insert-5 twice quickly.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:00
To: 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList' ; 'Carol and 
Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear Joseph,
I really appreciate the info given.
The only pitty about the whole migration  is, there’s some function which 
window-eyes have, jaws either don’t or treat the info differently.
Like the progress  info, it will read automatically but I can’t repeat that 
again till it repeat itself. I hope I got this correctly.
I am yet to find the way to spell the word or the currently focus caret or 
character. You know, insert – numpad 4 or numpad 6 for window-eyes.
Its only been less than a week, I am yet to get some of the right info despitI 
did use jaws in my school previously.
 
 

regards
Thomas N. Chan
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 2:48 PM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
; 'Carol and Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Hi:
 
I don’t think there is a way to check the status of progress bars directly as 
there is in Window-eyes.
 
As for tool-tips, The only hotkey I can find that might do the trick is 
CTRL+Shift+f11.  Here is the help text ontthat one.
 

View System Tray ToolTips. Control + Shift + F11

Opens a Virtual Viewer window displaying the items currently in the System Tray.
 
Now, here’s the good news.  There is a way to select a whole block of text 
without continuously arrowing down through the text.
 
First, locate the place in the Web page you want to start at.  Then, press 
CTRL+Windows+K to set a temporary place marker.  Then, you can use read-to-end 
or what ever to get to the place you want to stop at.  Press Insert+space, then 
the letter m.  This will select all the text between the temporary place marker 
and where you are in the Web page.  Then, press CTRL+C to copy to the 
clipboard.  
 
I think some formatting is preserved, but, not sure how much.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
 
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:00 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'  ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' 
Subject: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Dear long terms WE users,
I like or trying to find some sort of jaws similar  function in jaws to replace 
or comparable  with WE. these are the few I am using but so far, or don't know 
any. the Raul tuitorial  didn't mention that as far as I listen last night.
 
1. ctrl - insert  -tlast flash and tooltip 2. Ctrl - insert b progress and 
scroll bar 3. f8 select content in browse mode
 
I know the last one, I can use some sort of traditional selection and copy 
after. But I am used to, when I start  of the documents or page, select it, and 
let read to end do the job while I read the article or review it and end 
selection, paste onto another documents for safe keeping. If I would use the 
traditional one, I need to hold it for a very very long document. I believe 
jaws got some similar in MS Word. Or is that Window-eyes?
 

regards
Thomas N. Chan 
 

RE: Window Eyes question

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Exactly, so just exclude the first column and he won't hear it.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:30
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window Eyes question

I think he just doesn't want to hear the word name.

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:25:31 -0400,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> You don't want to hear the name of the currently focused item as you arrow
through a list view?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Williamson via Talk
> Sent: May 22, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Window Eyes question
> 
> How do I remove the "Name" announcement from folder and files?
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Jim
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RE: WindowEyes question

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Hi Jim,

Go to Verbosity, then down to Miscellaneous, then tab to Speak Listview
headings.  Set it to Exclude First Column and the name will go away.

Don't forget to save settings.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Jim Williamson via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:01
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: WindowEyes question

I want to remove the announcement "name" prior to the  folder or file name
only.

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RE: jaws observations.

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let me
ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work around
you ask here or on another list.

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On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again
with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael. 
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RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

To spell the current word, press Insert-5 twice quickly.

All the best

Steve

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Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:00
To: 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList' ; 'Carol and 
Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear Joseph,
I really appreciate the info given.
The only pitty about the whole migration  is, there’s some function which 
window-eyes have, jaws either don’t or treat the info differently.
Like the progress  info, it will read automatically but I can’t repeat that 
again till it repeat itself. I hope I got this correctly.
I am yet to find the way to spell the word or the currently focus caret or 
character. You know, insert – numpad 4 or numpad 6 for window-eyes.
Its only been less than a week, I am yet to get some of the right info despitI 
did use jaws in my school previously.
 
 

regards
Thomas N. Chan
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 2:48 PM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
; 'Carol and Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Hi:
 
I don’t think there is a way to check the status of progress bars directly as 
there is in Window-eyes.
 
As for tool-tips, The only hotkey I can find that might do the trick is 
CTRL+Shift+f11.  Here is the help text ontthat one.
 

View System Tray ToolTips. Control + Shift + F11

Opens a Virtual Viewer window displaying the items currently in the System Tray.
 
Now, here’s the good news.  There is a way to select a whole block of text 
without continuously arrowing down through the text.
 
First, locate the place in the Web page you want to start at.  Then, press 
CTRL+Windows+K to set a temporary place marker.  Then, you can use read-to-end 
or what ever to get to the place you want to stop at.  Press Insert+space, then 
the letter m.  This will select all the text between the temporary place marker 
and where you are in the Web page.  Then, press CTRL+C to copy to the 
clipboard.  
 
I think some formatting is preserved, but, not sure how much.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
 
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:00 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'  ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' 
Subject: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Dear long terms WE users,
I like or trying to find some sort of jaws similar  function in jaws to replace 
or comparable  with WE. these are the few I am using but so far, or don't know 
any. the Raul tuitorial  didn't mention that as far as I listen last night.
 
1. ctrl - insert  -tlast flash and tooltip 2. Ctrl - insert b progress and 
scroll bar 3. f8 select content in browse mode
 
I know the last one, I can use some sort of traditional selection and copy 
after. But I am used to, when I start  of the documents or page, select it, and 
let read to end do the job while I read the article or review it and end 
selection, paste onto another documents for safe keeping. If I would use the 
traditional one, I need to hold it for a very very long document. I believe 
jaws got some similar in MS Word. Or is that Window-eyes?
 

regards
Thomas N. Chan 
 
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JAWS and misspellings in Outlook

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi all,

 

I notice with NVDA that it says the word MisSpelled if you misspell a word
when writing a word in outlook.

 

In JAWS, I have gone to Auto Correct and turned it on in Verbosity, and
turned on MisSpellings, but they don't get announced.  Does this only happen
in Word?  Or do they not happen because I have key echo set to None?  You
should still get them in these situations.

 

Thanks all

 

All the best

 

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RE: JAWS

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Russ,

Insert F11 is your friend.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 14:28
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd

Subject: Re: JAWS

Then how do you tab over to the different mouse click options?

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 1:38 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: JAWS

My preference is to use the Windows  hot key: windows-b.


I wonder if the JAWS command is a legacy thing?

Vaughan.



On 5/22/2017 2:10 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> So far here is what I ran into with jaws.
>
> When using the jaws hotkey to access the system tray, I only see one item.

> With window eyes, I see 11 items.  Why is this.
> With windows live mail, jaws doesn't speak things like read, replied 
> to forwarded etc. when arrowing up and down the message list like 
> window eyes.
>
> -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 6:01 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: JAWS
>
> at least for me Jaws is proving to be more stable than Window Eyes on 
> my Windows 10 laptop.  No loss of speech that often happened in IE 11 
> and Thunderbird is having no problems.  Must say however I think that 
> WE has a much better User interface.  After the learning curve I think 
> JAWS will be a good replacement for WE.
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

That adjusts the speed, not the volume.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 12:58
To: Richard Petty ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Try control - alt - page up and page down.



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On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500
Richard Petty via Talk  wrote:

> Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but
instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the
computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Richard Petty
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
> To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
> To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was 
> already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with 
> insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in
JAWS.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Petty via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> All,
> 
> I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very 
> nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
> 
> What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for 
> moving through headings, tables and other document features?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com
> ] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
> To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> I talked to customer service about something related to your question 
> and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the 
> screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext 
> fustion 10 to
> 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. 
> This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is 
> what happens to WE after WE goes away.
> Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Reeva,
> 
> Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app 
> central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and
go down.
> I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would 
> be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around 
> for those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
> Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
> >
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> > Loy via Talk wrote:
> > >
> > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > > 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and 
> > > Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of 
> > > Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users 
> > > outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local 
> > > distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and 
> > > will honor existing product purchases and 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.

Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
To: Richard Petty ; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 

Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not 
a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 

wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > 

RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Yep they are a pain.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: 21 May 2017 11:45
To: Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Last November I had an issue where those virtual ribbons got in the way of
Braille output.

We turned them off and the display worked as it should.
I can't remember the specifics of the situation  but do know turning them
off restored functionality.



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 Original Message 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:12 AM EST
To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: whole migrating situation

Hi,

Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable
Microsoft's shortcuts.

For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F,
then D, then R, then you're in the updates window.  But try that with
virtual ribbons turned on.

I recommend learning the Office interface.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys
(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have
to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen
readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application
keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck
to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a
window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge

RE: moving to the next page

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Control-Page Down.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: 18 May 2017 23:55
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: moving to the next page

Hi all,

 

Someone from JAWS sent me a link to something called, JAWS Quick Start
Guide, in pdf format. I opened it and have the title page. Now how do I go
to the next page, using Window Eyes? I have version 9.4, I believe. Thanks
for your help.

 

Paulette

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RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Press Control and the Number 4 to make sure Dolphin Automatic Cursor is on.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: 17 May 2017 20:33
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

I cannot get response from D olphin screen reader in anything web site
related at all. :) If I turn on IE "html" site reading in Becky, Dolphin
will then read the message, but, if I have just convert to plain text,
up/down/left/right arrow is all that is said in the message view windows
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 14 May 2017 01:48:44 -0400
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:

> Please keep us updated.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:44 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader
> 
> Hi list:
> 
> Went back and re-installed just the stand-alone screen reader, and didn't
get the error.  It may have been that I was running an insider preview
build, but, not sure.
> 
> Screen reader working ok, but, again, no go on the win10 mail app.  Not
sure about any other win10 apps.  Works on outlook, at least, the little I
tested.
> 
> Using the Window-Eyes keyboard layout, so, that'll give me a quick way to
test various things to see if they are supported.
> 
> Take care!
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Richard,

So how would a sighted person cope in this situation?  They wouldn't have 
anyone to ring up who would jump to your command and come running to you for 
free, would they?

All the best
Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 17 May 2017 18:44
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you 
should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech 
support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things.  
>I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced 
>aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development 
>tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And that means 
>having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will 
>not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
>Message- From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne 
><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if 
>this what does happen.
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use 
>Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I 
>have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should 
>be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM 
>To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were 
>labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, 
>forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes. -Original 
>Message-
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: 
>RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe 
>always will be.  But not configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>--

RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable
Microsoft's shortcuts.

For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F,
then D, then R, then you're in the updates window.  But try that with
virtual ribbons turned on.

I recommend learning the Office interface.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' ; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

NVDA works with Edge.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: JFW first impressions.

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Kevin,

It is.  Eloquence pauses all the time in WE, and I personally don't like that 
aspect.  JAWS there is no pausing at all and this is great for me, but not for 
everyone.

In the Code Factory SAPI Eloquence, you can turn this pausing on or off, but 
not in WE or JAWS as far as I know.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 18:32
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: JFW first impressions.

Hi Brian:

I think that the pausing  issue is more likely a synthesizer issue, but I could 
be wrong.
Kevin Huber


On 5/16/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
> Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly 
> getting the hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out 
> how to save things like my keyboard settings and speech rate and 
> things like that so that they’ll be that way when JAWS first boots up. 
> I have noticed, and maybe there’s a way to change this? that when 
> reading a document it doesn’t seem to pause very long at the end of a 
> sentence, so it almost sounds like a run-on. That may seem trivial to 
> some but it does make it a little harder for me to follow what I’m 
> reading. But I’ve gotten so used to WE that JAWS is taking a while to 
> get reaccustomed to. But so far I might consider trying to scrape together 
> the funds for it.
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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RE: window-eyes users in the UK

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Pete,

Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no
contact.

So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things, they
are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at this
point.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: window-eyes users in the UK

hi all,

having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound they
have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any
migration offer for window-eyes users in the UK.
 they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to
try and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if
there is no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry.

pete.

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RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Insert-Z will turn on the equivalent, then you can use pretty much the same 
commands.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 03:21
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite 
costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct 
answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes 
away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.  I 
would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended 
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States 
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We 
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product 
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue 
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use 
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to 
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes 
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as 
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, 
> > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales 
> > team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> > for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> > simple web form that will go directly to our sales 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay
for or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova,
or donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
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From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
 End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
 If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
 If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
 Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form 

RE: switch to Jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I'm on Windows 10 and Office 365 with JAWS is flaky at best for me.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 16:39
To: 'Rod Hutton' <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

I disagree with Steve on this one.  I use JAWS v18 at work as a Help Desk
Analyst and I have switched via CTRL-2 to CTRL-1 and so on and JAWS does not
crash.  There are other issues regarding losing focus at times but I've
observed these in Window-Eyes as well so I'm curious if these are Windows
issues at the moment particularly in Windows 7.  

I still prefer Window-Eyes and I will use it until it ceases to function.  I
actually have the free version on my work PC and glad I was able to obtain
it prior to today.

Good luck to everyone as we undergo this transition.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:49 AM
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Hi Steve,

Up to quite recently, Window-Eyes used to do that as well.
Since Microsoft made some significant accessibility updates, this stopped
happening.
I'm surprised Jaws does this.
Is this with the most recent version of Jaws?

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:39 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

It's also very buggy.  Just open Outlook 2016 and press Control-2 or
Control-3 to go into Contacts or Calendar and watch JAWS die.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 14 May 2017 23:30
To: 'Charles Short' <clsh...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Yes Jaws is very customizable I would make the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:53 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: switch to Jaws

Hello everybody on the list, should I make the switch to Jaws since
Window-Eyes is going away?  Does Jaws have a control panel, you know where
you can allow jaws to not say blank when arrowing down or also from read to
end?  Thanks very much.


Charlie Short


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RE: switch to Jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

It is certainly not a scam.  Aaron is an employee of VFO.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 16:15
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at the
same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have to. As for
this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm pretty sure it's
a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone free copies of JAWS
under any circumstances. As for which screen reader I might switch to it
probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because I can't seem to download a demo of
the latest version to try before I buy, but also because it's an absolute
resource hog. I remember that from the twelve years I used it before
switching to WE.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better and
takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will do 
> much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop selling 
> and developping it.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No, not at all.  So long as your licence is valid, you can use WE until it
no longer works, as far as I know.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 15:28
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWSR
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


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RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Nor does it support Chrome.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Luciano Ortelli via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 07:45
To: 'Joseph Norton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: AW: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

Hi all

As I know, SuperNova doesn't support Firefox yet.

Regards,

Luciano


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lortelli=bluewin...@lists.window-eyes.com] Im 
Auftrag von Joseph Norton via Talk
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Mai 2017 00:31
An: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Sky Mundell 
Betreff: RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

If you mean, what do they work with as in, what programs, they work with most 
any well-written standard windows program.  It’s just the modern apps that they 
may be behind on.

This could change.  The recent update is from January of this year, though, and 
they do not seem to support even the Mail app yet.

They do support Office, at least, when I used outlook, Supernova told me about 
spelling corrections and such.

Haven’t had time or inclination to do a thorough test.

They do have U.S. based sales reps, so it might not hurt to talk to a rep and 
see if they can highlight anything special they do that Window-Eyes and JAWS 
don’t.

Oh, there are a couple things. This product does include OCR, but, and they may 
have some scanning and reading functions.

I may have some time this evening to explore a little further on that.  There 
are some. I do have 30 days to look around, after all.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 3:35 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

What do they prefer to work with? 
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RE: switch to Jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

It's also very buggy.  Just open Outlook 2016 and press Control-2 or
Control-3 to go into Contacts or Calendar and watch JAWS die.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 14 May 2017 23:30
To: 'Charles Short' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Yes Jaws is very customizable I would make the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:53 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: switch to Jaws

Hello everybody on the list, should I make the switch to Jaws since
Window-Eyes is going away?  Does Jaws have a control panel, you know where
you can allow jaws to not say blank when arrowing down or also from read to
end?  Thanks very much.


Charlie Short


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RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Which voice are you using?  It flies for me with their own voices, but is a 
little sluggish with SAPI.  But then so is Window-Eyes.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: 14 May 2017 18:07
To: Matthew Dyer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

I don't know of one yet, but I have been testing the software, and for me at 
least, it is rather sluggish.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Matthew Dyer via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Is there a email list for there screen reader?  I have not seen this in 
> some timee, but just wondered as I think it would be nice to follow the 
> developement of this software.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 05/13/2017 11:43 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi list:
>> 
>> Went back and re-installed just the stand-alone screen reader, and didn’t 
>> get the error.  It may have been that I was running an insider preview 
>> build, but, not sure.
>> 
>> Screen reader working ok, but, again, no go on the win10 mail app.  Not sure 
>> about any other win10 apps.  Works on outlook, at least, the little I tested.
>> 
>> Using the Window-Eyes keyboard layout, so, that’ll give me a quick way to 
>> test various things to see if they are supported.
>> 
>> Take care!
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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RE: I have great news! Read carefully!

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi John,

Supernova is nothing like Guide, don't even make that comparison.  Supernova is 
a respectable, if not feature rich, screen reader.  The mag is superb, better 
than Zoomtext, but the screen reader has a few issues.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of john pitts via Talk
Sent: 12 May 2017 16:45
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: I have great news! Read carefully!


dolphin,
yuck the worst thing is there guide system. but i think we have heard enough 
about weather window eyes will still be with us, we will just have to see. 
all the best, john.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk
Subject: Re: I have great news! Read carefully!

So the great news is that WE is more than likely going away and we can
pay $955 for another screen reader.  Yep that is great news ain't it.

On 5/12/2017 5:51 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Supernova used to be called Hal.  It’s from Dolphin Systems, Inc.
>
> See below for direct trial links, but, here is Dolphin’s main Web site:
>
> https://yourdolphin.com
>
> Here are several links where you can download trials of their product.
>
> For the screen-reader stand-alone product trial download, go here:
>
> https://yourdolphin.com/product/try?id=3
>
> For the full-blown SuperNova product trial that includes everything, 
> magnifier and screen-reader, go here:
>
> https://yourdolphin.com/product/try?id=4
>
> You get a 30-day trial of either product.  There are even options which 
> include free support, but, this is optional and you can download the 
> trial(s) without even providing contact information if you don’t want to. 
> The second download option on the page is for those who just want to get 
> the trial without providing any other info.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 3:12 AM
> To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: I have great news! Read carefully!
>
> I'm sorry your feelings are so hurt, LOL but I never heard of supernova 
> well not the one you mentioned thanks roll how about a link or 
> instructions or… Are you drinking, at the lunch, obsolete.? Good to hear 
> from you
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RE: I have great news! Read carefully!

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Raul,

There are problems with the Supernova screen reader, not least that they don't 
use UIA.  I am trying to convince them to improve this though.

It also doesn't support Firefox or Chrome.

So as I see it, whatever happens to Window-Eyes, if it doesn't get developed, 
our choice is reduced.

All the best

Steve

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Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: 12 May 2017 04:40
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: I have great news! Read carefully!

Hi all. After reading over 300 messages about whether Window-Eyes is dead, not 
dead, lurking, floating, having a drink, or just out to lunch, I got to 
thinking. Everyone seems to be going on about whether they should use Jaws or 
NVDA. Some have even said System Access. I must confess, my feelings are hurt, 
very hurt. No one to my knowledge has mentioned Super Nova from Dolphin 
Systems. *smile*. So, for those of you who think you have no choice, remember, 
there are always choices.


How about that for a new topic of discussion. *grins*.



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RE: why does outlook not find attachments?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No wonder you haven't had success, it's not F7, but Alt-7.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 10 May 2017 00:38
To: 'Ted Larson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: why does outlook not find attachments?

I've never had much success with f7 but by shift-tabbing I am usually able
to find the attachment and open or save it.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

I don't think that will happen.  Besides, there is also Supernova and System
Access.

I am already talking to Dolphin to see if we can't improve the screen reader
side of Supernova.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 09 May 2017 17:15
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be
bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws.

But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes.

 

Alison

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RE: choosing from a list

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

You mean to select them?  Yes, hold down the shift key and go down arrow, if
they are contiguous.  If not, then hold down control and press space on each
one you want to select.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: 02 May 2017 17:39
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Subject: choosing from a list

Hi Folks

 

Yes, I forget a lot, so, a little help.

How to I choose from a list when I want to skip some and then choose other
items?

 

I think it is using the control key and the space bar but not sure

Thanks

Don

 

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RE: pronunciation query

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

What synthesiser are you using?

All the best

Steve

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Behalf Of Grant Metcalf via Talk
Sent: 01 May 2017 19:42
To: Via Talk 
Subject: pronunciation query

Using Win7 with WE 9.5.4. I noticed recently that when reading documents where 
an apostrophy-s occurs after a name ending with the letter h that the 
apostrophy-s is not spoken in normal reading mode. Two examples:   Jehovah’s 
Isaiah’s.  If I do a word by word cursor they do speak the apostrophy-s.  Of 
course, words or names ending with another letter followed by the apostrophy-s 
do seem to read normally, i. e. brother’s, sister’s, Rod’s, and Tom’s. 
The question is:  Is there a fix or is this just something that needs a fix?  
Now that I am aware of the problem I am able to deal with it as needed.
Cordially,
Grandpa DOS, a k a Grant
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RE: vocalizer purchase

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Go to Help, Get More Voices, then download your authorisation.  Install it
to the computer where the errors are.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: 26 April 2017 10:42
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: vocalizer purchase

Yes, I also had same day activation.
Now I am having issues with one of my licence keys, I keep getting a message
when I try to deactervate a licence that I have no licences.
I can not actervate or de-actervate a licence!
No support at this time.
Cheers
IC

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On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:14 PM
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Subject: Re: vocalizer purchase

When I purchased mine, I had same day service.  

Five days seems like a long time with no one contacting you.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Synthesizer question

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

You can also buy the direct Eloquence driver for Window-Eyes, which is much
more responsive than the SAPI version.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 22 April 2017 13:10
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Synthesizer question

Hi Bob,

My version of Eloquence is SAPI 4.0 which comes with Window-Eyes.
If you have a SAPI 5.0 version, then you could have bought it as a
stand-alone package, which could be used with NVDA or any screen reader,
from various places.
For example:

http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=216

It's 70 bucks U.S. from the source above.

Hth,

Rod

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Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 8:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Synthesizer question

Thanks for the info, David.


I'll look through my old disks and hopefully find it.  The speech Works
versions of Eloquence is a little faster and louder then the we version of
eloquence.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/21/2017 6:22 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Unless memory should fail me totally, Eloquence was in its SAPI 
> version, way up to WE6.2. When WE7.0 came out, the dedicated version 
> of Eloquence was the rule of the day.
>
>
> If you will happen to have an installation CD for any version prior to 
> WE7, you will find the Eloquence files there.
>
>
> When inserting the CD, let Setup start. When prompted to choose your 
> method of installation, you have to go under Advanced. I seem to 
> remember you had to press V, or maybe Alt-V. There you would find the 
> voice installation, which could be run without having to install the 
> whole screen reader, which of course would overwrite your current 
> version and cause you a rather heavy headache.
>
>
> The above is all taken from memory, so forebare with me, should any of 
> it be slightly out of range.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 4/21/2017 11:08 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>> These used to be included in older versions of Window Eyes, I don't
remember the version of WE where the Eloquence voices were changed to WE
only versions.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Bob Tinney via Talk
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 5:00 PM
>> Subject: Synthesizer question
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On my desktop computer I have some Speech Works Eloquence voices.
They
>> are sapi 5 voices and I like them.
>>
>>
>> I don't remember downloading them, and they are not on my laptop.
Where
>> can I find these voices?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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RE: vocalizer and vocalizer expressive

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Reeva,

But you don't, and probably never will, get V2 of the voices with the new
languages and voices such as Malcolm.

You can however, buy the Code Factory versions of the voices and they work
just as well.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: 20 April 2017 08:28
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; net bat

Subject: Re: vocalizer and vocalizer expressive

When you buy vocalizer for we, english you get all english voices and can
download whatever voice quality you want.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Apr 19, 2017 5:48 PM, "net bat via Talk" 
wrote:

> whats the difference?
> i see the tom vocalizer and tom vocalizer expressive on the aisquared
site.
> do both versions cost the same $59.99?
> and is this for only one voice?
> do i have to choose between the compact, standard, premium,and premium 
> high versions  when i buy a package?
> i like the sound of the tom premium high samples i found and aisquared 
> does not say what voices are in each catagory above.
>
> it would be nice if aisquared had trialware for the voices so i could 
> see the plus or minuses of the voices with w e.
> there are a few companies that give you a 7 day free trial, but they 
> are not for w e.
> thanks for info.
>
>
>
>
>
> There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
> You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.
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RE: Latest Thunderbird, window-eyes and Jaws

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

I'm finding NVDA works better than JAWS in a lot of situations to be honest.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: 14 April 2017 01:59
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Subject: Latest Thunderbird, window-eyes and Jaws

Hey List,


Well, if anyone is a multiple screen reader user you may have found that
Window-eyes works with the latest Thunderbird 52 as does NVDA but Jaws
doesn't.  h

Actually, I'm kinda surprised as usually what works with W-e works with
jaws, just a few different key strokes.


I just hope that when they do another update of Thunderbird Window-Eyes 
isn't disrupted.


Brenda

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RE: how to make jaws low-cost

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Hi,

And how are VFO supposed to make money out of this free JAWS?  You can't pay
developers with peanuts.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: 10 April 2017 00:47
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: how to make jaws low-cost

I emailed erik damery CEO of vfo with the following suggestions.

in order to make a low cost or free jaws, do the following.

1. rip out all nuance stuff. and for the free jaws, support and all nuance
stuff has to be paid or purchased separately if you want it.

2. replace nuance eloquence with speech player and espeak. replace vocalizer
with the free speechHub and microsoft speech platform voices.

3. rip out omniPage for OCR and replace it with the free tesseract OCR or a
free google OCR option.

4. free or low-cost jaws should be download only. or pay $20 for a dvd.

5. no jaws network install unless you buy the $20 dvd.

6. free jaws is authorized with a generic serial number.

7. all free jaws or low cost jaws serial numbers are the same maybe
serial=freejaws or something like that.


I wrote to vfo at least two times about this. I hope they are listening, 
because using illegal keys made by middle eastern folks is sort of 
annoying and I would much rather have a free or very very low cost jaws 
for home use minus all the nuance stuff, but have a basic jaws tandom in 
there so us freeJaws users can remote and help each other out. 
Personally I cannot wait for the day to say goodbye to the foreign-made 
key code. because i will never have the income to go to conventions to 
buy jaws. besides using espeak would let jaws read the irish gaelic and 
some other rare languages that eloquence and even nuance vocalizer does 
not support. perhaps with any luck the big announcement coming in a few 
months, will finally allow me to say goodbye to the 
foreign-made-key-codes forever. i hope. i hope erik damery CEO of vfo is 
listening. give us free or very very low-cost jaws for those who cannot 
afford to buy full jaws with its nuance bells and whistles!


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RE: braille displays and we

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display.

I think I'll give the Orbit a miss.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: braille displays and we

yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is
ok I can do without cursor routing buttons.
when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20

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On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson"  wrote:

> Joshua,
>
> I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I 
> assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct?  You 
> said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with 
> other screen readers?  If so, what does it do when you have a cursor 
> that moves when you are editing a word?  In other words, how well does 
> it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: braille displays and we
>
> also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not 
> work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 
> emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other 
> braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the 
> braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine 
> signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust 
> resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype 
> once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick 
> it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no 
> pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor 
> does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind 
> of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music 
> or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and 
> stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own 
> or write grade3 shorthand if you want.
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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

We have had at least two updates to Voice Dream Reader in the last week.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 07 April 2017 14:11
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; Joshua
Kennedy 
Subject: Re: making the switch

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> Does it do all of the following?
>
> With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
> epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 
> text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as 
> LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, 
> Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice 
> about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare 
> and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader 
> is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
> I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
> booksense when reading any text based file.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: making the switch
>
> voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.
>
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> On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>
>> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
>> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: making the switch
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
>> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
>> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
>> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
>> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
>> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
>> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet 
>> even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>>
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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I don't think it reads Apple Pages files on the Android version, but I could
be wrong.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 15:39
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> Does it do all of the following?
>
> With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
> epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 
> text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as 
> LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, 
> Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice 
> about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare 
> and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader 
> is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or 
> Ivona.
> I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
> booksense when reading any text based file.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: making the switch
>
> voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.
>
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> On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
>
>> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
>> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: making the switch
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
>> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
>> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
>> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
>> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
>> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
>> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet 
>> even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>>
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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Kindle fire is not the best example of Android, it is somewhat modified.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 14:22
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: making the switch

The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire.  This way I can
get a feel for android and have access to Alexa.

-Original Message-
From: Tony C
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with.
I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that
it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie:
Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting
one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo
pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go
almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the
system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using
different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting
kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix
and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using
a very nice app called tubio.


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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Voice Dream for Android is even better in that you can use even more voices.
I have Eloquence for Android.  Try that on the iPhone.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 14:18
To: Josh Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: making the switch

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare,  unprotected epub.

Supported File Formats
PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream
reader is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or
Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense
when reading any text based file.

-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


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On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:

> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: making the switch
>
> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even 
> interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>
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RE: Getting Out of Protected view in Word 2016

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

This article could have been made for you:-

http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB2049

Enjoy.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 21:28
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Getting Out of Protected view in Word 2016

Hi, Folks.  I had to buy Office 2016 because my computer crashed, and
Microsoft wouldn't let me download an old copy.  Since then, I've had to go
into a protected view document to read it; much harder than in regular mode.
How do I disable the protected view mode?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao



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RE: windows screen readers

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Actually, Talkback is as free as NVDA, because you can download the source
code and compile it yourself if you wish.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 05:32
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: windows screen readers

Probably the only truly free screen reader is NVDA!  Whether or not one
sends in a donation, anyone anywhere can download it, install it and use it
to one's heart's content.

All other screen readers, whether it be Talkback or VoiceOver, incur some
cost however minimal such a cost might be.  These screen readers are not
readily available to just about anyone to download, install and play with.
It is of absolute necessity that a user MUST have in his or her possession a
gadget that runs either one.  The cost of ownership is built into the final
price one pays for acquisition.  Both Talkback and VoiceOver are packaged
deals; as such, from an economic perspective, neither one is free!  

That aside, personally, if I can't get work done using Windows because my
preferred screen reader is on the CHOPPING BLOCK, I will move over to
Android!  On this platform, my choices are vast and I am NOT tied to a
stake.  I'm not at home with proprietary stuff, I enjoy playing with various
permutations!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  


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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Dave,

I use Android completely pretty much to run my business.  It is now great.
I am also totally blind.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 01:14
To: Joshua Kennedy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: making the switch

Hello Joshua,

Are you Totally Blind, or are you able to use some vision while operating
your Android Tablet?  

I keep thinking of getting a Tablet, mostly because Android systems seem
to be affordable, rather than something from Apple that isn't.What's
a New Apple I-Pad going for these days?More than $80.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: windows screen readers

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Naah, no off screen model, no video hooks.  NVDA is not great if you have to
mouse around, where apps don't have keyboard access.  Yes, it has object
view, but that's pretty poor.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: 04 April 2017 23:26
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: windows screen readers

hey tony and all,


why not try the latest NVDA? also narrator in windows10 is quite good. 
if you are tired of paying for screen readers then NVDA is a good choice.


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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Wow, I've been using Talkback for about three years, it works fine.  It
wasn't so good then, but it's as good as iOS now.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 02:01
To: Joshua Kennedy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: making the switch

does talkback work with netflix or the android app store?
i only tried it with the chrome browser last year and i couldn't evenuse the
app store to download apps.


-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you
can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop.
talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.



On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
> just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in
learning 
> more about them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo

>> pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
>> almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over
the 
>> system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
>> different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
>> kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching
netflix 
>> and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box
using 
>> a very nice app called tubio.
>>
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RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Shift control Escape to read dialogs?  I haven't heard that one.  Try
control shift W.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: 04 April 2017 18:55
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: making the switch

w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to come out.
***
pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape to
read them.
its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to hide
the apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i without w e
hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off before i open it.
then w e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site to
buy groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. i have to
turn brows mode off on every item in the list to get the prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i am in
the list.
nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech  and ivona keeps re reading web page  text over
and over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is several
blank lines between paragraphs.  this happens with notepad, adobe reader,
firefox,wlm and i e 11.
i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the pages.
this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read to the
end of the pages non stop.
i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.


-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

  Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, I
really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I would be
interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does efficiently.  I
have for the most part found each subsequent release of WE to be
considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would like to see
it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator either. Just
curious as to your issues with WE?

THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
> still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
> browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
> everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
> in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
> forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
> and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
> it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
> time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
> would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
> stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I
have not even tried it on windows 10.
>
>
> Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
> upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
> third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head
ache anymore..
>
>
> I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
> customer but
> 9.1 will be the last version I own.
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple 
>> Mac, and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you
think?
>>
>> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
>> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
>> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.
>>
>> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
>> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
>> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
>> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this 
>> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read 
>> are smaller.
>>
>> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much 
>> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all 
>> be seriously looking at Narrator.
>>
>> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to 
>> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And 
>> others still, use their computer all day long, and 

RE: making the switch

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

This also happens with JAWS, so I'm sure it's an IE thing.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: 04 April 2017 15:23
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: making the switch

The only problem I have consistently is that IE stops responding, this
problem seems to have increased in frequency, but I doubt that this is cause
by WE. I use email constantly all day and I never have a problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim via Talk 
  To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: making the switch


Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, 
  I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I 
  would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does 
  efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of 
  WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would 
  like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator 
  either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

  THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
  .
  On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
  > Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
  > still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
  > browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
  > everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
  > in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
  > forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
  > and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
  > it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
  > time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
  > would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
  > stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I 
  > have not even tried it on windows 10.
  >
  >
  > Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
  > upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
  > third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the 
  > head ache anymore..
  >
  >
  > I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
  > customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
  >
  >
  > Brian.
  >
  >
  > On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
  >> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
  >> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
  >>
  >> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
  >> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
  >> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can 
  >> be.
  >>
  >> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
  >> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
And
  >> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
  >> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
  >> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read
are
  >> smaller.
  >>
  >> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
  >> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all
be
  >> seriously looking at Narrator.
  >>
  >> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
  >> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
  >> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
  >> which
  >> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
  >> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
  >> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.
  >>
  >> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts,
and
  >> what you actually need the system to do for you.
  >>
  >> Grumpy Dave
  >>
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RE: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

You are having a laugh.  Just load a Word file with a complex table into
Word for Mac and watch VO die.  VO is about Narrator's level I'd say.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and
more

VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make
the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in
voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen
readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that
I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on
Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI
people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to
denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also
notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,

To a point, I agree with you.  However, I have been deliberately using JAWS
18 this week as opposed to Window-Eyes, and it is far less stable.

So while it would be difficult to continue using Window-Eyes, should it not
get updated, JAWS is really quite an unstable mess with some programs.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: 30 March 2017 21:03
To: 'bjn...@windstream.net' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Agree with the below.

How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your
concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can
make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested.

I've personally gone past being sentimental  about Window-eyes.  It is not a
work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people
can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the
tools available.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m.
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind 
> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not 
> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm 
> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on 
> this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>
>
>
>
> Email 1:
>
> Hi Sky,
>
>
>
> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, 
> had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured 
> window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct 
> at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are 
> somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system 
> has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader 
> has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind 
> community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is 
> another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, 
> it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a 
> ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the 
> blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just 
> say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to 
> prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, 
> evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors 
> to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were 
> prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make
those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
>
>
>
> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would 
> be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and 
> nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major 
> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
> They have some power but it is only token gesture.
>
>
>
> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will 
> be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He 
> owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond 
> anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't 
> own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as 
> jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.
>
>
>
> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what 
> we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a 
> petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called 
> institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do 
> very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and 
> always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and
overbearing system.
>
>
>
>
> Email 2:
>
>
>
>
> From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 

RE: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

It does work a lot better with JAWS now Version 10 that is.  I don't think
Eset have paid any attention to other screen readers than JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 26 March 2017 14:47
To: net bat ; drlineber...@embarqmail.com; Window-Eyes
Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

I'm still running version 8.  I keep getting a message from nod32 to upgrade
to the current version.  The message seems to indicate better protection
with the current version.

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

eset has allready told me version 10 is not compatable with window eyes. but
there message was in jan 2017.
there is several places in the program where you have to use the mouse to
read the screens and the mouse to click on some of the control buttons.
so i will still wait for more accessibility reviews.

-Original Message-
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Until today, I was using Eset Antivirus version 8, since there were problems
with accessibility for the later versions, or so I'd understood.  But today
I upgraded to version 10, and it works beautifully with Window-Eyes.

I'd been waiting for one of the tech geeks on the list to test it out for
me, and post a reassuring message.  Smile.  If someone did, I missed it.  So
here is that reassuring message for anyone else who missed it too and who
has been waiting.

Rumming Windows 10, Window-Eyes version 9.5.4.

Rebecca

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

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RE: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Yes, it is only accessible on a very basic level.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: 25 March 2017 23:31
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

eset has allready told me version 10 is not compatable with window eyes. but
there message was in jan 2017.
there is several places in the program where you have to use the mouse to
read the screens and the mouse to click on some of the control buttons.
so i will still wait for more accessibility reviews.

-Original Message-
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Until today, I was using Eset Antivirus version 8, since there were problems
with accessibility for the later versions, or so I'd understood.  But today
I upgraded to version 10, and it works beautifully with Window-Eyes.

I'd been waiting for one of the tech geeks on the list to test it out for
me, and post a reassuring message.  Smile.  If someone did, I missed it.  So
here is that reassuring message for anyone else who missed it too and who
has been waiting.

Rumming Windows 10, Window-Eyes version 9.5.4.

Rebecca

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

Aldous Huxley



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RE: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Rebecca,

I would urge caution when you make statements like Eset is now accessible
with Window-Eyes.  It is far from it.

The activation process is not accessible, though it was with JAWS.

The Advanced Setup options are also not accessible, they just read out all
the checkboxes and say False or True, depending on whether they are checked
or not.

So if all you want to do is scan, then it is fine.  But most of the setup
parameters are not accessible.

Try it some time.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: 25 March 2017 22:02
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Until today, I was using Eset Antivirus version 8, since there were problems
with accessibility for the later versions, or so I'd understood.  But today
I upgraded to version 10, and it works beautifully with Window-Eyes.

I'd been waiting for one of the tech geeks on the list to test it out for
me, and post a reassuring message.  Smile.  If someone did, I missed it.  So
here is that reassuring message for anyone else who missed it too and who
has been waiting.

Rumming Windows 10, Window-Eyes version 9.5.4.

Rebecca

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

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RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I hope not.  It's not a bad screen reader.  Not as good as WE, but not bad.

All the best

steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: 17 March 2017 14:57
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

The only other screen reader I know of is Dolphin and who knows it may be
next on VFO's list of Acquisitions 

.
  - Original Message -
  From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account


  I remember when this all went down, I referred to VFO as a monopoly, and
was
  smartly chastized for it.  I don't know why.  To me, it seems like it has
  taken over everything.  Isn't that a monopoly?  Pam.

  -Original Message-
  From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM
  To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

  Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are pretty
  happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of
deceitful
  dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are
always
  at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!

  If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would have
  been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With impunity
and
  flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
  Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V F O
  Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?

  Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from complying
with
  the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
  noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
  especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes
watching.

  Sincerely,
  Olusegun
  Denver, Colorado


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RE: Window-eyes wake up call!

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

This will never happen, because Window-Eyes assets are owned by VFO.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: 17 March 2017 05:39
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-eyes wake up call!

Window-eyes developers, have you considered partnering with Nv Access? 
At this point, I mean all things considered, why not? From what I heard from
the Nv Access personnel at CSUN, they seem like a nice enough,
knowledgeable, approachable group, I mean have lines of discussion even so
much as been opened up? If not, why not? Has anybody here been able to have
a look at the NVDA training material? From what I've heard, it's not very,
quote unquote, basic, at all. Quite on the contrary! I hear it's rather
comprehensive, and pretty well put together to boot! I think it'd be a real
shame to see all that Gw Micro has worked for and accomplished over the
years to end up being basically for nothing. Would you not agree that would
be a sad thing? One thing that I think could work out to be a mutually
beneficial solution could be for the Window-eyes developers to partner with
the Nv Access group. I mean if Window-eyes is already free for anybody with
Microsoft Office 2010 or later, then perhaps some of the revenue given by
Microsoft per the terms of that agreement could be contributed to the Nv
Access group in return for round table dialog discussions between the
Window-eyes developers and the Nv Access group on how to best move
accessibility forward. Ya know? Thoughts?

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RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Reeva,

I'm with you here.  Even the Chromebook is really getting good now.  If I
could find a good audio editing program for the Chromebook, I'm almost done
with PCs.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long

Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the
past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook and
soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't have to
spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with zt
fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm seriously
considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find myself using
my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" 
wrote:

I agree with you completely!

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On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch
screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:

> I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will 
> become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more 
> things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market 
> for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I 
> phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet 
> searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece 
> of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of
time.
>
> -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account
>
> Greetings all.
>
> I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
> We are promised CSUN updates in April.
>
> In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry 
> going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the 
> pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO 
> leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible
information sources.
>
> Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain 
> blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.
>
> One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that 
> although often people exchange useful information, the leadership 
> fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its 
> developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on 
> the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique 
> VFO's
behaviours.
>
> Vaughan.
>
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RE: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I didn't get this issue at all on Windows 10.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: 18 January 2017 18:23
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it
did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

Peter Duran
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RE: Alternative Interface?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Dave,

Some interesting points.

NoteTab Pro, http://www.notetab.com has accessibility settings, so some
programs do this.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 22:36
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Alternative Interface?

When it comes to making items accessible.  When it comes to software, for
years, I have wondered why a Software Company could not have two interfaces,
one for the Sighted world, and one for the blind, that use screen readers.

And the choosing of which interface to use can be done the first time the
software runs, or at any time after.  

I am a Musician that plays guitar and some Keyboard.  As Sonar became more
and more complex, it seemed as if the accessibility shrank and shrank until
the last three or four editions are almost useless to someone using a screen
reader.  

JAWS seems to be a bit further ahead, when it comes to Scripts but even
then, I don't know if they have done anything for reading any edition of
Sonar past 8.X. 

There are software based Synthesizers, that are quite powerful that are for
the most part off limits to someone using a screen reader. 
Addictive Drums is a software package that simulates Drums, all kinds of
drums.  Everything from the old time drum kits from the 1920's to the ultra
modern Hip-Hop electronic drums sounds.  Loads of drum styles, and I start
Drooling when I think of what I could do to improve the sound of my
recordings, if only I had access to this Addictive Drum software package.
But, last I checked, it isn't a package that is all that accessible.  

Same goes for some software based Guitar Pedal packages.  Loads of guitar
effects, all customizable to my own tastes and it is all off limits.  Screen
reader can't read the screens.  The one I wanted is absolutely silent.  

And for those you who think I am whining, think again.   Please don't
insult me because I point out an area that I wish was available to me and
others.  

I wondered if it would be possible to have a second main screen, this one
friendly to screen readers etc.  

How much would it cost the Company to add such a screen?  Don't know. 
Don't know how much effort it would take to make such a screen.  

I dream of such screens for all of the software that I find less than
friendly to screen reader usage.  

What if it took another week or two of development, or even another month of
development time.  Would you pay another $100 extra to have such a
accessible screen? I know I would.  

Companies that make an attempt to make their software Screen Reader
Friendly, seem to make the attempt to making their main screens accessible.
have no idea if they have ever considered making an alternative screen for
their programs use by the Blind.  

Today when pricing is so competitive, and Companies are striving to be the
cheapest, even if it is by a Dollar or two under their competitors product,
I don't know how willing some company would be to add a Screen Reader
friendly interface, if doing that will cause their products price to rise by
$100.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond what we
are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to get the
information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the desired
item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard shortcuts and accellerators
are assigned to some degree by their locations in menus and ribbons.  In
menus, there were generally two keystrokes involved, the first to get to the
pulldown and the 

RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond what we
are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to get the
information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the desired
item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard shortcuts and accellerators
are assigned to some degree by their locations in menus and ribbons.  In
menus, there were generally two keystrokes involved, the first to get to the
pulldown and the second to choose the specific item.  The order of the items
in a menu affect the keystrokes assigned.  Typing a letter will get one to
the first item starting with that letter.  If there is another item starting
with the same letter, the next letter of the item not already assigned is
used.  In the end, we generally figure out how to do this efficiently, and
we get these keystrokes reinforced by the menu system itself.

So what about the ribbon.  Pretty much all of the above approaches are
implemented in the ribbon.  In addition, there are keys to jump through the
groups as well.  However, many, if not most, of the accellerator key
sequences have changed there.  Rather than needing to look for a command or
function for an extra second or two, we can spend a great deal of time
working through the ribbon sequentially or trying keystrokes we think might
work.  The effect of the change on us is far greater than it is on people
using these same products with vision even though accessibility exists
technically.

I've used the ribbon as an example because it is probably one of the more
extreme examples and it is one we have often faced.  However, this
difference in how we access software is very true in other areas.  For
example, because of how accellerator keys are assigned, changing the order
that items appear in a pulldown menu can change which keys access them.  A
change in the order may hardly be noticed by someone clicking with a mouse
but needing to use different keystrokes to get there can have a much greater
impact on us.  It requires that we relearn a pattern while it requires only
a minor adjustment for the person using a mouse.  Moving an item