Re: w e sounds

[geodom--- via Talk]

I have not changed themes, whatever that is.  They just suddenly started to 
disappear.  Somebody would have to talk to me and tell me step by step what 
I have to do.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: w e sounds

in most cases a reinstall is not needed.
you will lose your sounds if you have changed your windows themes.
in my case the sounds were still there in the windows sounds but undefined.
i searched for change system sounds and it took me to the list of the wave
files windows can use. find the window eyes sound and re define them.
there are 6 sounds.
but when you do you have to set the path to the sounds. they are not in the
windows media folder where all the other windows sounds are stored.
they are in the program files x86\gwmicro\wineyes folder.



-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Subject: Re: w e sounds

At 11:47 PM 9/12/2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do

this? Pam.

If you can reinstall Window-eyes, you'll get your sounds back.
Otherwise, I could email them to you as attachments.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
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and Pedagogue
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Re: w e sounds

[geodom--- via Talk]

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do this? 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: w e sounds

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the window
eyes folder where the wave files are.
there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there
though.



-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer 
most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know 
where it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i 
am not being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[geodom--- via Talk]

But you can only get the new narrator if you are using windows ten, am I 
right?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of 
the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window 
Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn.  I have looked over the new 
key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they 
are more logical  and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking 
forward to try the new  narrator.
 - Original Message - 
 From: George Savory via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: George Savory
 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM
 Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


 On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:
 > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or
 > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft 
commands.

 >
 > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote:
 >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves
 >> or their products.  Pam.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
 >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: Tony C
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
 >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
 >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: Tony C
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
 >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not 
speak.

 >> I
 >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
 >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can
 >> turn
 >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because 
it
 >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just 
fine.

 >> I
 >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent 
of

 >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
 >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
 >> box.
 >> Pam.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
 >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
 >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >> Cc: Dennis Long
 >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You
 >> didn't
 >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
 >>
 >> -Original Message-
 >> From: Talk
 >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
 >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
 >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >> Cc: CJ MAY
 >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it 
would
 >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the 
Microsoft

 >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went
 >> over
 >> to Jaws.
 >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
 >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the 
Windows

 >> operating system.
 >>
 >> Alison
 >>
 >>
 >> -Original Message-
 >> From: Talk  
On

 >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
 >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 >> Cc: George Savory 
 >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Listers,
 >> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be 
updated,

 >> I
 >> am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Us

Re: Considering VoiceOver

[geodom--- via Talk]

Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves or 
their products.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[geodom--- via Talk]

Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Considering Voice over

[geodom--- via Talk]

But if you want to get voiceover, you have to buy an Apple.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: George Savory via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory ; Manny Gee
Subject: Re: Considering Voice over

Jaws is indeed a good screen reader, but websites like megabus.com
require you to select the month and day you will be travelling. That's
where VoiceOver shines. It is frustrating with Jaws to select the
month and day of travel.  I recently had to interact with the U.S.
postal website. Again it was a challenge with Jaws and those drop down
menus.  had to revert to Win-Eyes, but VoiceOver gets the job done.
It is the reason I am leaning towards a Mac. I guess an iPad could get
things done too.

On 8/25/18, Manny Gee via Talk  wrote:

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.

I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny



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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[geodom--- via Talk]

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[geodom--- via Talk]

I'm still using window eyes, because I tried the jaws that they gave us, and 
it was not satisfactory.  I also downloaded the small tutorial that they 
gave, but my download of jaws went back to the default settings after I 
hadn't used it in a while, and when I tried to reset it, it wouldn't let me. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ MAY via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: APP Central

[geodom--- via Talk]

That's strange, because I went to find the webpage with all the old stuff, 
and couldn't.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Amanda Lee
Subject: RE: APP Central

This is not true.  Simply go to:
www.gwmicro.com

Click on Support and App Central is available.

I believe that the certificate or certificates for the site may have expired
so merely click on go onto this site 'not recommended' and you are right
there and everything is as it always was.

I'm certain that the AppGet can't proceed beyond the warning.  So if you're
willing to do a little extra work, you certainly can download Apps from app
Central.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 11:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: APP Central

There is no more ap central.  They took all that stuff down.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS)
Subject: APP Central

Hi All,

In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I
re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop.  So, I re-installed the normal
version again.  Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the
computer, I get the app update notice.  I try to install the updates, but
nothing happens.  I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and
received the following notice.  I have not tried to go to the unsecured
site.

Your connection is not private e
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com
(for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).
Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
system information and page content Privacy policy system information and
page content Privacy policy BACK TO SAFETY ADVANCED This server could not
prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security certificate expired 78 days
ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting
your connection. Your computer's clock is currently set to Thursday, August
23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, you should correct your system's
clock and then refresh this page. Proceed to www.gwmicro.com (unsafe)


David Ayers
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Re: APP Central

[geodom--- via Talk]

There is no more GW Micro homepage.  I went to look for it a long time ago 
and couldn't find it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: APP Central

Though downloading apps from App Central never required any password or
other identification, this kind of warnings should always make red
lights come on.


Either the site is just insecure, and will never be renewed, due to FS
letting WinEyes die out. Or, someone has hacked the site, and might
eventually have hacked the apps found there as well.


Sum of it all:

Stay clear. Whatever is wrong with the GWMicro homepage, all guesses
would be that you will never see them fixed. Only reason why it even
still is possible to find any such site, would be no less than a
guesswork. Likely it only shows how little FS even bothers, since they
have not even closed the server altogether, I should think. Next will be
this list, which might break without any further notice. Either because
some kind of subscribed service from the GW team will expire, or FS
remembers to pull the plug.


No, I am not trying to be negative; just trying to let you know that
likely your warning message is all perfectly right. You are warned, and
should heed that message.


How to best obtain the apps you are looking for? Give us a list, and see
if you will receive the installers for each and every of the apps you
were used to benefit from. Likely someone here, or on the other WinEyes
list, will have the installer backed up somewhere. Further, i do seem to
recall someone here on the list, recently posting a link to a Dropbox
collecdtion of the app central. Even if you could get it, keep in mind
that some apps might be outdated, or even rather sluggish under modern
usage. In such cases, you are left to contact the app developer
directly, hoping they have some updates for you.


Whether we want to or not, we will have to face the fact that WinEyes is
slowly being phased out. App Central has not been reliable for several
months, and it's final does not surprise at all. Only surprise is, how
long they let it stay oparative.


On 8/23/2018 2:11 PM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:

Hi All,

In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I 
re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop.  So, I re-installed the normal 
version again.  Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the 
computer, I get the app update notice.  I try to install the updates, but 
nothing happens.  I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and 
received the following notice.  I have not tried to go to the unsecured 
site.


Your connection is not private e
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com 
(for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).

Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
system information and page content Privacy policy
system information and page content
Privacy policy
BACK TO SAFETY
ADVANCED
This server could not prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security 
certificate expired 78 days ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration 
or an attacker intercepting your connection. Your computer's clock is 
currently set to Thursday, August 23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, 
you should correct your system's clock and then refresh this page. Proceed 
to www.gwmicro.com (unsafe)



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Re: APP Central

[geodom--- via Talk]

There is no more ap central.  They took all that stuff down.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS)
Subject: APP Central

Hi All,

In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I 
re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop.  So, I re-installed the normal 
version again.  Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the 
computer, I get the app update notice.  I try to install the updates, but 
nothing happens.  I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and 
received the following notice.  I have not tried to go to the unsecured 
site.


Your connection is not private e
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com 
(for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).

Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
system information and page content Privacy policy
system information and page content
Privacy policy
BACK TO SAFETY
ADVANCED
This server could not prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security 
certificate expired 78 days ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or 
an attacker intercepting your connection. Your computer's clock is currently 
set to Thursday, August 23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, you should 
correct your system's clock and then refresh this page. Proceed to 
www.gwmicro.com (unsafe)



David Ayers
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Re: JAWS question

[geodom--- via Talk]

I send messages with control enter.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:15 AM
To: Norene Trappa via Talk
Cc: Jim
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hi there!

If your  using gMail with an internet client such as I.E or Firefox
Etc.  when I am through composing my message I simply press the tab key
until I hear send message or something to that affect.  I generally use
Thunderbird so don't as a rule use the actual gMail program.  Hope this
helps..! Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de

.
On 02-Aug-18 10:57, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
Hi,  Wonder if you can help me.  I am using gmail now which is quite 
simple, but after composing an email, what is the key stroke to send it? 
Gmail reminds me of outlook express.  Maybe someone else on the list knows 
the answer.  Thanks.


Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key 
is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the
current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will 
be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
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> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to
another?
> Kevin Huber
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Re: OT about digital book players

[geodom--- via Talk]

Oh; okay.  Sorry I misunderstood.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 5:10 PM
To: Loy Green via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: OT about digital book players

I know, I have one.  I was referring to the ipod.

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Re: OT about digital book players

[geodom--- via Talk]

No, the stream is most definitely not a touch screen.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 2:50 PM
To: john schwery via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: OT about digital book players

Yep, but isn't this a touch screen?  Not everyone can work those things.
 Give me buttons to push any day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via
Talk wrote:

Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than the 
Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and read Nls 
books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to, download and 
listen to podcasts.


At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:
I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one 
such as the second generation

victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader 
stream

booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.

With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be 
directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized 
players

I currently own.

With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be 
directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized players 
I

currently own.

With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do 
this

with my specialized playrs.

With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
unprotected

epub, listen to old time radio shows.
Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks,
DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, 
Rich
Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, 
Apple

Keynote, HTML.
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
players

I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.

With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook can 
be

streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.

Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of 
hundreds
of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases 
are

prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry 
and

more in both fiction and non-fiction.

The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio 
books,
as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or 
genre,
look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are 
free,
you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no 
cost.
The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you 
can
start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep 
timer

for your convenience.

To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
http://librivox.bookdesign.biz


With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad mini. 
I
can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk 
pocket, I

can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.

My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading and
listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: OT about digital book players

Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: JAWS question

[geodom--- via Talk]

Yes, and I can't even get it to do stuff that it's supposed to do.  When I 
put it in my other computer, I set it up the way I was told to do, telling 
it how I wanted my settings to be, and they didn't even take.  I have not 
figured out how to put it in this computer yet.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: JAWS question

I agree with you.


Jaws reminds me of bloatware instead of a simple screen reader.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/23/2018 9:04 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I'm certainly with you when it comes to being reluctant to use JFW.
I don't like having it installed on any of my machines, which is why I 
don't have it on any of them.

It made me feel sick to have it on my machines, and so I got rid of it.
In a pinch, if worse comes to the worst, I will install it and use it.
However, I find using NVDA very pleasurable.
It feels so light when loading Windows screens and web pages, in contrast 
to JFW which feels like dragging a net of fish up on the beach.
Probably there are other metaphors, but I'm trying to point to the fact 
that it just feel super sluggish, not to mention the fact that it is 
over-engineered, that is, way too complicated, and so it got in the way of 
my work.


Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:11 PM
To: geodom--- via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

I use window-eyes 90 percent of the time.  IT is still my favorite.
When window-eyes doesn't work, I load n v d a.  I won't run jaws.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed,
23 May 2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:

Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you? 
I
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can 
still

use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
is.

Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

  Hi Kevin,

  Yes, that is possible.

  The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
  %appdata%
  Here you find a folder freedom scientific
  In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
  In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
  with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
  folder to the same location on the other computer.
  I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer 
so

  jaws will not lock files.

  Regards, Marten


  On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk
  <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


  Hi:

  My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
another?

  Kevin Huber
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Re: JAWS question

[geodom--- via Talk]

Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you?  I 
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can 
still use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


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> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
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Re: What's Doug up to?

[geodom--- via Talk]

I just listened to it.  I had to look around for it because other stuff 
wanted to play instead.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: What's Doug up to?

Hi everyone,

I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for 
software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:


http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

Enjoy,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: I'm beginning to notice new features that Window-Eyes does notg support

[geodom--- via Talk]

I don't know about that way to make a folder.  I always get into the menu, 
and arrow up or down to "new".  I enter on that and the first choice is 
folder.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:26 AM
To: window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: I'm beginning to notice new features that Window-Eyes does notg 
support


I just noticed that WE does not support the new folder feature when you
want to create a new folder by hitting control shift n. NVDA and
Narrator do support this feature.

--

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Re: `news about jws

[geodom--- via Talk]

Yes, when I bought window eyes, it was all one price.  I bought it when they 
had the monthly payment plan.  When there were just a few payments left, I 
opted to pay the rest all at once and finish.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[geodom--- via Talk]

That's right.  And it's the same with upgrading kurzweil 1000.  You pay one 
price, no matter how many versions you have skipped.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: ratshtron via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: ratshtron
Subject: Re: `news about jws

and you didn't have to pay for skipt releases.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/28/2018 07:31 AM, Loy Green via Talk said:

I've been a WE user since version 4.11 and I am sure there was not two 
version since that version. That was one of their selling points. The price 
was about $200 less than JAWS.

  - Original Message -
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Carol and Roger
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE
  early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of
  Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the
  standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the
  time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The
  difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same
  for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.

  Carol


  On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I 
think the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a 
stranglehold in education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home 
and pro. That was one of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they 
were indeed running out of money, even though Window-Eyes had been around 
for 23 years, and the lawsuit that FS filed contributed to this..

  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of lynn white via Talk

  > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
  > To: bj colt via Talk
  > Cc: lynn white
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  >
  > I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
  > that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
  > but in smaller bites.
  >
  >
  > It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
  > Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
  > the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
  >
  >
  > Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply 
were

  > running out of money.
  >
  >
  > On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Folks,
  >>
  >> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going 
to become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting 
rid of the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
interesting how it is going to work?

  >>
  >> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, 
evil sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

  >>
  >> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't 
subscribe.

  >>
  >> Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[geodom--- via Talk]

There are a lot of us windoweyesers out here!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:12 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Olusegun,

I second, third and fourth to a million agree with you whole heartedly. When
I found out these companies get funding from the government. I was really
annoyed as well.

I too will never subscribe to jws and stick with window-eyes till I can't
use it any more.

Have a great wekend Brother.

Live long and prosper, John

--
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk"

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:24 PM
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." 
Subject: RE: `news about jws


B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
least

8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible 
but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though 
I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it 
is

still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get 
this

done.

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment 
companies.

Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will 
soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, 
no

path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay 
one

cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: are we still alive

[geodom--- via Talk]

Oh no, you are definitely not alone.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:34 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Don Smith
Subject: RE: are we still alive

Great, I am not alone in this dark world, (smile)
Don


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Re: are we still alive

[geodom--- via Talk]

This list is here, and so is the other list somebody set up.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:39 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Don Smith
Subject: are we still alive

Hi:

Since window eyes is not dead, are we still alive on this list

Thanks

Don



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Re: Musings and touching base

[geodom--- via Talk]

I am still using window eyes because I downloaded the jaws, and I haven't 
been able to set it up the way I want to, no matter what I am told, and what 
instructions I follow.  It won't let me change things, and won't show me the 
places to change what I want to change.  So, I am still using window eyes. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Musings and touching base

Hello Lists,

I was cleaning out my emails and ran across a bunch from GW-Micro staff
and various list posts. Made me feel kinda sad.  It's been around a year
since our beloved Window-eyes went the way of DOS and Word perfect. I
still have my win7 machine but use the replacement provided by the
conquerer because I need to get used to using it. Actually, I don't even
get on the computer much. I'm  using FF 52.?? and am hoping Mozilla
makes FF 57 and beyond accessible again. I usually use my phone and am
considering getting a tablet with a keyboard but wonder how safe they
are from  viruses.

Anyway, I read a lot of the posts on these two lists and wanted to let
you all know I'm still around, not that you really care, and that I
still miss Window-Eyes and the wonderful staff at GW-Micro. Still wonder
where they all went and hoping the best for them and all of you listers.

Brenda
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Re: external drive better than d v d

[geodom--- via Talk]

You don't need that much space for a copy of window eyes, though. Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: mack via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:21 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mack
Subject: external drive better than d v d

maybe, instead of saving my copy of w/e 9.5 on a dvd i will purchase a 1
or 2 t b external drive from amazon. i understand that the best ones to
buy are seagate are western digital.

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Re: how to use any burn

[geodom--- via Talk]

Okay, I guess I will have to try that.  When was it that you did that?  The 
last time I called them and told them I wanted any help with window eyes, 
they kept mme waiting for two hours and connected me to somebody who only 
knew jaws.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: how to use any burn

I actually contacted FO and asked to order a DVD copy of WE 9.5.4
They were happy to do so once they could verify me and my account with them
and the former WindowEyes.  Of course they charged $20 just like AI squared
did but at least I have a permanent copy of WE and don't have to worry if my
system crash's or I get a new computer or laptop.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: how to use any burn

They might do that.  They did it for me a few months ago.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:55 AM
To: John Covici via Talk
Cc: michael fridey
Subject: Re: how to use any burn

Hi John i just do a control c to copy files then go to the dvd drive and do
a control v to paste it.

asit was said that it sounds like you do not have a full copy of WE.

I got a link sent to me by Doug before he left.

So now i can instal WE at any time i would email VFO and ask if they can
email you a link of the last full version of we.

Cheers Michael.


On 18/10/2017 9:10 PM, John Covici via Talk wrote:

You will not be able to install it from the cd, if you could  not
install it from your downloads folder.

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 03:40:20 -0400,
mack via Talk wrote:

i want to put my copy of the 9.5.4 w/e upgrade on a dvd using anyburn
what are the steps to do this. the file is in my downloads folder,
thanks

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Re: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

[geodom--- via Talk]

That's exactly what I thought you would have to do.  The window eyes one 
would not be compatible.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

You have to start a new one in JAWS.
Press insert d and then control shift d.
Then insert numbpad 5 and press the space bar.  Then it works similar to
exemption dictionary.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

But I don't think the window eyes exceptions dictionary and the jaws one
work the same.  I have a feeling you would have to start one in jaws.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

I believe it lives in your user settings of Jaws a good question for the
Jaws List I gave you earlier.  The subscribe address is below.  If I can be
anymore help to anyone else feel free to ask I am here to help.
vjaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Jeff Samco via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:59 PM
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Cc: Jeff Samco
Subject: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

I just took the plunge and began learning Jaws this afternoon. Is there a
way of transferring all my WE exception dictionary entries over to Jaws? I
know the WE dictionary is merely a text file. Is this true for Jaws? If so,
where would I find that file?

Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

[geodom--- via Talk]

But I don't think the window eyes exceptions dictionary and the jaws one 
work the same.  I have a feeling you would have to start one in jaws.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

I believe it lives in your user settings of Jaws a good question for the
Jaws List I gave you earlier.  The subscribe address is below.  If I can be
anymore help to anyone else feel free to ask I am here to help.
vjaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com

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On Behalf Of Jeff Samco via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Jeff Samco
Subject: WE and transferring exception dictionary to Jaws

I just took the plunge and began learning Jaws this afternoon. Is there a
way of transferring all my WE exception dictionary entries over to Jaws? I
know the WE dictionary is merely a text file. Is this true for Jaws? If so,
where would I find that file?

Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[geodom--- via Talk]

I totally agreewith you.  But it seems they seem to think they are so big 
and important they don't need anything from anybody else.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

let me make one thing clear, I am not bitter. I am not sure about what merge 
is being talked about, Window-eyes was dropped, not merged with Jaws. My 
point was Vfo had the chance to retain the best of Window-eyes and jaws in 
both technology and people and produce one hell of a screen reader unlike 
anything the world has ever seen and they chose not to do that, they just 
trashed their "compeditor" completely like they never existed.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi Josh,

As for Office support in NVDA, as I am subscribed to Office 365, and will 
be for the  foreseeable future, I will be using NVDA to navigate it should 
Window-Eyes no longer suffice.
I've been keeping my ear to the ground, though, and I know that Office 
support for NVDA is a high priority.

We'll keep everyone posted.
As I've said, I will not be using the offering of the enemy of GW Micro.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: October 10, 2017 6:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Josh Kennedy 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

oh  well then maybe I will just stay with NVDA and I may not bother
buying jaws, not sure yet. I heard jaws has better microsoft office
support than NVDA does. But maybe that is no longer true?




On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
you might as well junk it now.
2018 release will be in about 2 weeks.
f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had  and it still doesn't
work as good.
i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to
be jaws compatible doesn't work.
window eyes works fine.
money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of
been f s that would be out of business now.

-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Chuck Adkins via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Chuck,


I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I have
to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[geodom--- via Talk]

Unfortunately, they weren't willing to admit that there were people who knew 
how to do things better than they could.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: loy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:06 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: loy
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

The reason there are so many JAWS users, is that government
organizations bought them. Most Window Eyes users had to buy it
themselves. JAWS is a good program, but for me it is loaded down with so
much stuff that I don't need. I still use We most of the time, using
JAWS trying to get use to it in case WE doesn't work with the upcoming
Win 10 upgrade. Too bad they didn't utilize Doug's knowledge and let him
incorporate the better things in WE into JAWS.


On 10/10/2017 1:42 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

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And it's possible that the jaws users who have always used it like what is 
familiar and have never used window eyes to know what it does better.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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