Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Maybe someone could write scripts for it?
- Original Message - 
From: "bj colt via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express



Hi,

I downloaded the program and found the view menu was blank. Nothing in it 
was visible to window-eyes. I had to shift tab twice to get to the folders 
view. Tabbing down from the in box, is a nightmare to say the least. It 
does get you into the main body of the message, only shift tab twice gets 
you out of it. I was able to set up an email accoun. The options menu only 
works via the numberpad.


When deleting an email, it doesn't put focus on the next email. You have 
to arrow down to the next email.


I haven't tried the spell check yet. Although I was able to send a message 
no problem.


I will contact the customer support base with my concerns. Maybe they will 
listen.


If more people do the same, then they may pay more attention to proper 
accessibility.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 2:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

I saw the following on another list.  Perhaps someone should talk to the
developer of this program to make it more accessible?

Hi Group,

I downloaded and installed the newest version of OE Classic version 2.51.
It is definitely not accessible.  None of the first letter navigation
features work as they do in the original Outlook Express.  Folder 
navigation

is not possible without use of the JAWS/review cursor.  Similarly,
navigating the options menus is not possible using classic keystrokes such
as tab and shift tab.  You must use review/JAWS cursor to highlight items
and click with the JAWS/mouse cursors.

Unless you really want to be frustrated or unless there is some setting I
must change to make the program more accessible, I would not recommend it
for blind users.


On 9/8/2016 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:

The discussions on this subject have been sparked by a very brief notice 
in
the Tech Tidbits newsletter from Flying Blind.  I looked at the web page 
and
no mention was made of accessibility as it relates to blind users.  The 
word
accessibility was used but it is used in the context of having your 
messages
and perhaps other things available easily.  If the program had 
intentionally

been made more accessible, I think that would have been mentioned as a new
development.

And even if the program were more accessible than previously, convenience
and accessibility are two different things.  Unless the program can do
things like first letter navigation in the folders field, then it may be
made accessible and still won't be convenient as Outlook Express was.

Also, identities are not used in this program which may be important to 
some

people.

I very much doubt that this program is any more accessible than in the 
past
and I wouldn't be surprised if the conveniences that people like in 
Outlook

Express are not present.

Gene

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas

Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:36 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Hi: I googled it and it looks like a reputable product.
The reviews I read said it is very similar to WindowsXP version of Outlook
Express.
Let me know how you find using it, the setup process and the 
accessibility -

does it use the Menu Dropdowns like Outlook Express did?
Outlook Express was indeed a very nice e-mail provider to work with.
Rick USA

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On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who 
miss

that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/
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Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I know it isn't supported, but I have used a modified version that runs 
well on seven 32 bit system.  Works just like it does in xp.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 9 Sep 
2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:


I saw the following on another list.  Perhaps someone should talk to the 
developer of this program to make it more accessible?


Hi Group,

I downloaded and installed the newest version of OE Classic version 2.51. It 
is definitely not accessible.  None of the first letter navigation features 
work as they do in the original Outlook Express.  Folder navigation is not 
possible without use of the JAWS/review cursor.  Similarly, navigating the 
options menus is not possible using classic keystrokes such as tab and shift 
tab.  You must use review/JAWS cursor to highlight items and click with the 
JAWS/mouse cursors.


Unless you really want to be frustrated or unless there is some setting I 
must change to make the program more accessible, I would not recommend it for 
blind users.



On 9/8/2016 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:

The discussions on this subject have been sparked by a very brief notice in 
the Tech Tidbits newsletter from Flying Blind.  I looked at the web page and 
no mention was made of accessibility as it relates to blind users.  The word 
accessibility was used but it is used in the context of having your messages 
and perhaps other things available easily.  If the program had intentionally 
been made more accessible, I think that would have been mentioned as a new 
development.


And even if the program were more accessible than previously, convenience and 
accessibility are two different things.  Unless the program can do things 
like first letter navigation in the folders field, then it may be made 
accessible and still won't be convenient as Outlook Express was.


Also, identities are not used in this program which may be important to some 
people.


I very much doubt that this program is any more accessible than in the past 
and I wouldn't be surprised if the conveniences that people like in Outlook 
Express are not present.


Gene

-Original Message- From: Rick Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:36 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Hi: I googled it and it looks like a reputable product.
The reviews I read said it is very similar to WindowsXP version of Outlook
Express.
Let me know how you find using it, the setup process and the accessibility -
does it use the Menu Dropdowns like Outlook Express did?
Outlook Express was indeed a very nice e-mail provider to work with.
Rick USA

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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who miss
that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/
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Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[matthew dyer via Talk]

Hi,  Another problem is that I could nlot gt imap to work but pop33 is 
detected though.



Matthew




On 09/09/2016 10:33 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I downloaded the program and found the view menu was blank. Nothing in 
it was visible to window-eyes. I had to shift tab twice to get to the 
folders view. Tabbing down from the in box, is a nightmare to say the 
least. It does get you into the main body of the message, only shift 
tab twice gets you out of it. I was able to set up an email accoun. 
The options menu only works via the numberpad.


When deleting an email, it doesn't put focus on the next email. You 
have to arrow down to the next email.


I haven't tried the spell check yet. Although I was able to send a 
message no problem.


I will contact the customer support base with my concerns. Maybe they 
will listen.


If more people do the same, then they may pay more attention to proper 
accessibility.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 2:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

I saw the following on another list.  Perhaps someone should talk to the
developer of this program to make it more accessible?

Hi Group,

I downloaded and installed the newest version of OE Classic version 2.51.
It is definitely not accessible.  None of the first letter navigation
features work as they do in the original Outlook Express.  Folder 
navigation

is not possible without use of the JAWS/review cursor.  Similarly,
navigating the options menus is not possible using classic keystrokes 
such

as tab and shift tab.  You must use review/JAWS cursor to highlight items
and click with the JAWS/mouse cursors.

Unless you really want to be frustrated or unless there is some setting I
must change to make the program more accessible, I would not recommend it
for blind users.


On 9/8/2016 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:

The discussions on this subject have been sparked by a very brief 
notice in
the Tech Tidbits newsletter from Flying Blind.  I looked at the web 
page and
no mention was made of accessibility as it relates to blind users.  
The word
accessibility was used but it is used in the context of having your 
messages
and perhaps other things available easily.  If the program had 
intentionally
been made more accessible, I think that would have been mentioned as a 
new

development.

And even if the program were more accessible than previously, convenience
and accessibility are two different things.  Unless the program can do
things like first letter navigation in the folders field, then it may be
made accessible and still won't be convenient as Outlook Express was.

Also, identities are not used in this program which may be important 
to some

people.

I very much doubt that this program is any more accessible than in the 
past
and I wouldn't be surprised if the conveniences that people like in 
Outlook

Express are not present.

Gene

-Original Message- From: Rick Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:36 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Hi: I googled it and it looks like a reputable product.
The reviews I read said it is very similar to WindowsXP version of 
Outlook

Express.
Let me know how you find using it, the setup process and the 
accessibility -

does it use the Menu Dropdowns like Outlook Express did?
Outlook Express was indeed a very nice e-mail provider to work with.
Rick USA

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From: Talk 
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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those 
who miss

that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/
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Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I saw the following on another list.  Perhaps someone should talk to the 
developer of this program to make it more accessible?


Hi Group,

I downloaded and installed the newest version of OE Classic version 2.51. 
It is definitely not accessible.  None of the first letter navigation 
features work as they do in the original Outlook Express.  Folder navigation 
is not possible without use of the JAWS/review cursor.  Similarly, 
navigating the options menus is not possible using classic keystrokes such 
as tab and shift tab.  You must use review/JAWS cursor to highlight items 
and click with the JAWS/mouse cursors.


Unless you really want to be frustrated or unless there is some setting I 
must change to make the program more accessible, I would not recommend it 
for blind users.



On 9/8/2016 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:

The discussions on this subject have been sparked by a very brief notice in 
the Tech Tidbits newsletter from Flying Blind.  I looked at the web page and 
no mention was made of accessibility as it relates to blind users.  The word 
accessibility was used but it is used in the context of having your messages 
and perhaps other things available easily.  If the program had intentionally 
been made more accessible, I think that would have been mentioned as a new 
development.


And even if the program were more accessible than previously, convenience 
and accessibility are two different things.  Unless the program can do 
things like first letter navigation in the folders field, then it may be 
made accessible and still won't be convenient as Outlook Express was.


Also, identities are not used in this program which may be important to some 
people.


I very much doubt that this program is any more accessible than in the past 
and I wouldn't be surprised if the conveniences that people like in Outlook 
Express are not present.


Gene

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas

Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:36 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Hi: I googled it and it looks like a reputable product.
The reviews I read said it is very similar to WindowsXP version of Outlook
Express.
Let me know how you find using it, the setup process and the accessibility -
does it use the Menu Dropdowns like Outlook Express did?
Outlook Express was indeed a very nice e-mail provider to work with.
Rick USA

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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who miss
that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/
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Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I tried it some time back and didn't speak at all.  May look like it on 
screen, but didn't talk for me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 8 Sep 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk 
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Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who miss 
that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/
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RE: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: I googled it and it looks like a reputable product.
The reviews I read said it is very similar to WindowsXP version of Outlook
Express.
Let me know how you find using it, the setup process and the accessibility -
does it use the Menu Dropdowns like Outlook Express did?
Outlook Express was indeed a very nice e-mail provider to work with.
Rick USA

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To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express 

Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who miss
that long-defunct program:

https://www.oeclassic.com/ 
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Re: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express

[Brice Mijares via Talk]

   I'd be interested in knowing more as well. Does it come with a spell 
checker?
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 7:27 AM
Subject: Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express



Does anyone know any thing about this?
Here is an email program that may replace Outlook Express for those who 
miss that long-defunct program:


https://www.oeclassic.com/
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